>https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/08/korea-aerospace-industries-forecasts-a-market-for-up-to-100-fa-50-in-egypt/
>As in the Polish case, offset and technology transfer represent a central pillar in the negotiations between Egypt and Korea. In this regard, Lee Bong-geun, general manager of KAI’s Export Innovation Center, said: «KAI will promote joint production and joint marketing in Egypt.
>Egypt is pursuing an extensive program to modernize its Armed Forces, including the renewal of the Egyptian Air Force’s combat assets. Examples include the purchase of the MiG-29 M/M2 from Russia a few years ago (and the frustrated purchase of Su-35 fighters), the CH-47F Chinook from the USA or the 30 new Dassault Rafale from France, which will be added to the 24 aircraft already received.
>The Egyptian Air Force not only has a need to replace its fleet of 40 advanced Alpha Jet trainers, but also older fighters such as the Mirage 5E (modernized) and Mirage 2000.
>The FA-50 can fulfill both advanced training/LIFT and combat missions and, depending on the chosen configuration, can engage air targets beyond visual range, or attack ground and naval targets with modern weaponry, from safe distances, complementing well with more advanced assets such as the 4.5 generation fighters.
Egypt will co-produce 100 FA-50 with KAI making it the strongest air force in the region.
What are they up to?
It will take 15 minutes for Israel to destroy the entire Egyptian air force.
Typical crab mentality
They're going to blow up the GER dam and make the ethiops give up civilization.
>Egypt
I mean, I know Russia exists and all but I've always found it confusing how impressive and useless Egypt's military is
The frickers even have two light carriers; for comparison Israel is strictly a "corvettes and missile boats" navylet
I like the fact fricking Imhoteps got those russhit Mistrals in the end
I wonder if the FA-50 could be converted for fly off them.
It's currently in the T-45 replacement tender for US Navy so it makes sense.
There is no way an FA-50 can replace a Mirage 5E or Mirage 2000EM/BM, even if the latter are only used to carry the Al Tariq jet-boosted/gliding precision guided weapon nowadays.
However these FA-50 may be replacing the China/Pakistan-made K-8E Karakorum (based upon the JL-8) of which Egypt bought 119 many years ago. The numbers would make much more sense this way.
Other companies are still counting on this bid though, especially Leonardo with their M-346.
The Mistral was never and will never be a "light carrier". It's a helicopter carrier with only 2 heavy spots at the bow and stern capable of supporting the landing of a V-22 or CH-53 at most.
The biggest aircraft that could take off from its flat deck would probably be a lightweight MALE UAV. Preferably convertible.
No.
Mirage 5 is already very ancient, even if FA-50 is slower, it's is much newer, could carry just as much payload and has more advanced avionics (of which Mirage 5 has none)
But yeah it's mainly to replace the bulk of old trainer/light attack planes in Egypt's services.The fleet also has no LIFT of their own, just a bunch of intermediate trainer and fighter conversion aircraft.
FA-50 already offers more than the Mirage. It's why everyone is flocking to it because none other option out there can satisfy the same role.
At the same price point*
Remember the big thing is it's super cheap.
I do wonder how it compares to the JF-17 since they seem to occupy the same "undercut the competition with a do-it-cheap jet". I expect the FA-50 to be better but the JF-17s seem to be acceptable to the countries operating them, even for Pakistan which had access to US airframes.
JF-17 is meant to replace the bulk of old J-6, J-7 (the single delta wing version. Double delta J-7PG is still around for secondary role) and A-5 planes into a single multirole aircraft. It's also the go to aircraft for Pakistan as the F-16 is limited for defensive role as america is actually counting every single missile Pakistan has launched.
Mirage IIIs and 5 are still around and Pakistan bought every airworthy airframes from all over the world both for airframe and parts and some of the mirages flying in Pakistan already passed its 5th D-checks. They're mainly for maritime strike role as JF-17, for all its advantages (turbofan engine, much newer radar and targeting pods), aren't as capable for the role and Pakistan is looking for China to acquire either J-16 or JH-7 for its new maritime strike aircraft
Pakistan going for the J-10 instead of the locally assembled FC-1 pretty much sums it up.
Different roles
The J-10 is used to complement the F-16 and eventually replace some of the older, thirdhand ADF version
JF-17 is used to replace almost everything else, from J-7, A-5, even some of the older Mirage III that is too clapped out to be refurbished safely
There's no need for Pakistan to hurridly acquire J-10C if it hadn't been for the skirmishes 2019.
FA-50 is considered modern? Isn't it decades old?
Technically it is 2 decades old, meaning its about the age of F22.
The fa50 is light but post modifying a fighter for short carrier takeoff is a huge ask. I doubt it could, egypt would be best off buying surp Harriers since they arent on the US' BFF F35B list
We bribe Egypt by giving them as much or more dollars than we do Israel. How else do you think Egypt can afford M1 Abrams? They attack Israel and the money spiggot turns off
>what are they up to
Egypt no longer cares about Israel. Securing the Nile is their main existential issue now, along with watching the Suez. The israel question has more or less been solved to the Egyptians even if they are irritated. Its like a neighbor you dont like much because they randomly shoot fireworks, but at least keeps their yard mostly clean and its more stable than the alternative neighbors who would move in. Plus the cops keep paying you just to ignore them.
tired of reading your BS
The ones Egypt is rumoured of getting are the FA-50 MRCA , which is analogous to Gripen E; bigger engine, slightly bigger airframe, 2 additional hardpoints as well as raytheon AESA radar and IRST, on top of existing upgrades like IFR and Sniper pod.
With this they could practically streamline their aircraft type to F-16V and FA-50
Nope. A better alternative is to fly UCAV like TB-2 off these LHD
>imblying
Fricking F-20 is also a glorified trainer and Gripen started off as a trainer before the swedes changed their mind
There ain't no such thing as FA-50 MRCA. There was once a souped up single seater version of golden eagle that had been offered to the Korean air force but it had been scrapped ever since the KF-21 became the priority. There's no point reviving it at this point.
This is an official graphic from KAI during last year's ADEX. Make of it what you will.
That's just a conventional FA-50, look at the pylons.
According to the reports, the FA-50 Block 20 with a full range of an SABR radar+BVRAAM integration costs 50~55 million USD/unit. So it currently is the poor man's F-16.
kek the F-20 was suppose to be the poor man's F-16, and it would have shat on the FA-50
It would, but it never had a chance.
The F-20 wasn't equipped with an AESA radar nor it had sophisticated optronics. You're supposed to be comparing it to the flight only model of TA-50 which in fact amount to about 30 million USD.
if you put a F-414 engine and modern avionics into the F-20s airframe it would crush the FA-50. The Golden Eagle is a glorified trainer pretending to be a fighter.
Stats say otherwise.
>Northrop F-20 Tigershark
>Max payload: 8,000 lb (3,600 kg)
>Fuel capacity: 5,050 lb (2,291 kg)
>FA-50
>Max payload: 12,000 lb (5,443 kg)
>Fuel capacity: 5,920 lb (2,690 kg)
Also, FA-50 is a ton heavier than F-20 while being able to carry more.
Assuming all their systems work and the company didn’t brazenly lie about its capabilities — it should be a good 4th gen. Yes 5th gens baby seal-clubs the 4th gen with ease, but a 4th gen still have all the capabilities you need for an excellent multirole.
With that being said — why aren’t they buying the Rafale? Later blocks are gen 4.5.
>The FA-50 can fulfill both advanced training/LIFT and combat missions
Really shows why this plane is selling well. It's just way too cost effective. Best trainer and best light fighter all in one. Plus with upcoming upgrade, it's just a solid fighter jet period.
Your dollar goes the furthest with this plane.
>why aren’t they buying the Rafale
I think they will. Rafale/FA-50 seems to be the high/low of choice for thirdies until KF-21 is out in the market or if secondhand F-35 become a thing.
>Assuming all their systems work and the company didn’t brazenly lie about its capabilities — it should be a good 4th gen.
Even if they got duped, the plane must be delivered as it had been agreed. So no foul play. Also, many of the components will be delivered by US companies due to the time frame.
>why aren’t they buying the Rafale?
Dassault currently has a horrendous production rate for the rafale that it had only been able to produce 1 aircraft per year, whereas KAI is planning on expanding its production line 2-3 fold in the coming few years to allow it to absorb the orders from the ATT program launched by the USAF.
Why tf do Rafaels take so long, are they using just 1 historic blacksmith in Lyon to make each artisinal hardpoint
does Egypt have a functioning govt anymore?
dictator overthrown in revolution replaced with worse dictator
many such cases!
Egypt is getting more Hawkeyes as well. They will probably have more than taiwan at this point.
They seem like a good, cheap way to into a cheap, rinky dink supersonic light fighter with a decent, American engine qs long as the rest of it isn't a total Daewoo shitshow
>1 × General Electric F404 afterburning turbofan engine (built under license by Samsung Techwin)
Oof.
No refunds
They're government is corrupt as hell and their entire military is equally trash, no matter what they have they're gonna suck ass, which is a shame. Would be cool for them to return to their ancient glory but lol.
fa50 block 20 is just smaller f16, with less self protections. to say more the light multirole fighter can be used as traine/attack jet, so it have 2 functions in customer army. going further co-manufactuure of this plane is locked martin and 80% of this plane is just f16 build. going even further pilots can easly jump from fa50 to f16 and f35 planes. so at the end this plane at block 20 looks rly good for that price.
Poles are said to be financing the AIM-120 integration on it. Backs up how much they are desperate at the moment.
It may not matter; they may go through a major famine next year, in which case the country may tear itself apart before the planes can be delivered.
Elaborate?
>they may go through a major famine next year
What makes you think that Sísi gives a frick about famine? He is army general, and as long as he can feed his army, he will stay in charge.