Fox, as in Foxtrot, in the NATO phonetic alphabet for Fired. Fox 2, as 2 denotes the type of missile fired. I forget which, but probably a heatseaker as I think Fox 3 is radar guided
Multiple releases are called as "by (x)" or "times (x)" so for sparrows it would be >Fox 1 by 2 / Fox 1 times 2
A weird example though as you wouldn't launch two sparrows typically.
Ripple-firing Sparrows was done in Vietnam, when they weren't as reliable. In most cases you can just make the single "Fox 1" call, as it's more about letting people know there's a missile in the air and don't accidentally go fly in front of it, not so much about exactly how many.
In the audio from the Sidra incident, you hear "Fox 1 again" to indicate a second launch. Not technically correct, but radio protocol is rarely perfect.
For multiple Fox 2 or Fox 3 it would be worth letting them know you fired more than one because in that case Splash doesn't mean it's safe, there are still more active seekers in the air looking for targets.
The missiles in the movie are actually Harpoons, so they should be calling "Bruiser"
In the movie the volley of a2a missiles blow up chunks of the spaceship when the shields fit. How much damage do a2a missiles even inflict? I was under the impression that they do relatively little damage since aircraft are unarmored and you don’t need a massive explosion to take one down
I was corrected about this in the past, so actually they should be saying Kraken which is the NATO code for releasing an AShM missile now, while Bruiser merely refers to an AShM missile. Kraken was only recently introduced.
Fox, as in Foxtrot, in the NATO phonetic alphabet for Fired. Fox 2, as 2 denotes the type of missile fired. I forget which, but probably a heatseaker as I think Fox 3 is radar guided
Fox-1 is passive radar guided(Sparrow)
Fox-2 is Heatseeker
Fox-3 is active radar (AMRAAM)
In real life they often don't say anything at all despite being instructed to.
Never heard a pilot use the number. If they say anything it's just fox.
I wonder if an unmodified harpoon would lock on to an alien mothership. Its big enough for an obvious radar return for a ship. Harpoons have their own radar seeker. But its also flying. I assume it's stupid missile brain would ignore flying targets.
Not the extra who snaps off the most crisp salute in movie history during the big speech?
>the extra who snaps off the most crisp salute in movie history during the big speech?
though I wouldn't call it "crisp", more FUCK YEAH
Why was this movie filled with F-18s?
America had more F-16s and F-15s during this time, I believe even a thousand more F-14s and even F-4E
they wanted to use F-15s but USAF wouldn't let them, so they used F-18s instead
not that any Hollyisraelite or audience pleb could tell the difference so who cares
https://i.imgur.com/5jkbuSQ.jpg
>Lose your entire Fighter Squadron
So anyone get punished, or did command look the other way because it was aliens with shields?
95% of the military is dead, including most ground troops
https://i.imgur.com/77JAyc6.jpg
call signs aside bigger mystery was how they teached a bunch of civvie pilots the controls of the fighters in the span of a few days it took to the lead up of area 51 battle. pic related was ex vietnam yet the others were not even that
desperation and Hollywood magic
Realistically outside of an invasion was there any scenario where almost an entire wing was emptied out and sent flying fully loaded?
Do carrier captains have the authority to just send every Super Hornet and F-35 in their ship airborne?
>carrier captains
only drive the ship, normally
it will depend entirely on who's been placed in charge of the operation itself
IF nobody else but the carrier CO has been placed in charge, then the CO would discuss the mission with the Carrier Air Wing boss who has the real final say on air operations - a carrier captain will know jack shit about how many of what aircraft to send to do what, so he relies on the Air Wing CO for that
normally a higher-up would be placed in charge of an operation, so the ship and wing COs respectively can focus on running their ship/wing, and to forestall conflict of interest
>a carrier captain will know jack shit about how many of what aircraft to send to do what, so he relies on the Air Wing CO for that
This is why they prefer to use former aviators and air bosses as carrier captains. A SWO who screens for command can go drive any of the thousands of other ships, a carrier CO should have at least a decent understanding of the air wing. Nuke power experience is a plus, but they aren't making submariners into carrier captains, and most carrier COs will definitely understand an air wing better than a reactor.
In the movie the volley of a2a missiles blow up chunks of the spaceship when the shields fit. How much damage do a2a missiles even inflict? I was under the impression that they do relatively little damage since aircraft are unarmored and you don’t need a massive explosion to take one down
The first counterstrike was led by a marine squadron and the military pulled out over the Area 51 plot points so CGI F-18s were all they had the budget for.
Command was already dead. IIRC right after ayys shot down the attacking aircraft, they then wiped out the entire marine base that launched them (El Toro? )
If i remember the movier right, Will Smith's girlfriend tried to get to him and found out thet the base was razed to the ground.
call signs aside bigger mystery was how they teached a bunch of civvie pilots the controls of the fighters in the span of a few days it took to the lead up of area 51 battle. pic related was ex vietnam yet the others were not even that
I don't understand that during the final battle there were still F-16s and F-5Es on the ground, why weren't they flying?
Also how did the other Chairforces bring down the alien ships? I doubt they have the same numbers as the Americans and did each Chairforce sacrifice one guy to go kamikaze on that particle beam?
>Do carrier captains have the authority to just send every Super Hornet and F-35 in their ship airborne?
I would think so, no one on the ship outranks them and the western system of command means they don't need to call Washington for permission to do anything.
That said they might find themselves commanding an oiler for leaving the carrier defenseless and burning so many flight hours over nothing.
>filmed in the mid-90s >where all of the pilots had combat experience since they bombed Iraq >instantly lose to chuds with shields, no flares were used even as a distraction
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They say fox? I thought they said box.
Fox, as in Foxtrot, in the NATO phonetic alphabet for Fired. Fox 2, as 2 denotes the type of missile fired. I forget which, but probably a heatseaker as I think Fox 3 is radar guided
Fox-1 is passive radar guided(Sparrow)
Fox-2 is Heatseeker
Fox-3 is active radar (AMRAAM)
>fire two sparrows
What do you say? Fox 2? Fox 1-2? Two fox 1?
Multiple releases are called as "by (x)" or "times (x)" so for sparrows it would be
>Fox 1 by 2 / Fox 1 times 2
A weird example though as you wouldn't launch two sparrows typically.
is it splash two if I shoot two down or for the second bandit shot down overall?
Ripple-firing Sparrows was done in Vietnam, when they weren't as reliable. In most cases you can just make the single "Fox 1" call, as it's more about letting people know there's a missile in the air and don't accidentally go fly in front of it, not so much about exactly how many.
In the audio from the Sidra incident, you hear "Fox 1 again" to indicate a second launch. Not technically correct, but radio protocol is rarely perfect.
For multiple Fox 2 or Fox 3 it would be worth letting them know you fired more than one because in that case Splash doesn't mean it's safe, there are still more active seekers in the air looking for targets.
The missiles in the movie are actually Harpoons, so they should be calling "Bruiser"
See above
I was corrected about this in the past, so actually they should be saying Kraken which is the NATO code for releasing an AShM missile now, while Bruiser merely refers to an AShM missile. Kraken was only recently introduced.
In real life they often don't say anything at all despite being instructed to.
Never heard a pilot use the number. If they say anything it's just fox.
>said the guy who is not a fighter pilot
Raddest extra in that movie.
we STILL don't know his name
>Calls Fox-3
>Clearly launches a harpoon ASM
I wonder if an unmodified harpoon would lock on to an alien mothership. Its big enough for an obvious radar return for a ship. Harpoons have their own radar seeker. But its also flying. I assume it's stupid missile brain would ignore flying targets.
The alien ships are the size of cities. I feel like you can just pull back and lob the fucking thing and you'll hit
Not the extra who snaps off the most crisp salute in movie history during the big speech?
simply one of the greatest mil characters in movie history
he survived the final battle too
best speech ever
that would be
>the extra who snaps off the most crisp salute in movie history during the big speech?
though I wouldn't call it "crisp", more FUCK YEAH
they wanted to use F-15s but USAF wouldn't let them, so they used F-18s instead
not that any Hollyisraelite or audience pleb could tell the difference so who cares
95% of the military is dead, including most ground troops
desperation and Hollywood magic
>carrier captains
only drive the ship, normally
it will depend entirely on who's been placed in charge of the operation itself
IF nobody else but the carrier CO has been placed in charge, then the CO would discuss the mission with the Carrier Air Wing boss who has the real final say on air operations - a carrier captain will know jack shit about how many of what aircraft to send to do what, so he relies on the Air Wing CO for that
normally a higher-up would be placed in charge of an operation, so the ship and wing COs respectively can focus on running their ship/wing, and to forestall conflict of interest
>a carrier captain will know jack shit about how many of what aircraft to send to do what, so he relies on the Air Wing CO for that
This is why they prefer to use former aviators and air bosses as carrier captains. A SWO who screens for command can go drive any of the thousands of other ships, a carrier CO should have at least a decent understanding of the air wing. Nuke power experience is a plus, but they aren't making submariners into carrier captains, and most carrier COs will definitely understand an air wing better than a reactor.
Omega 1, fox 2.
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In the movie the volley of a2a missiles blow up chunks of the spaceship when the shields fit. How much damage do a2a missiles even inflict? I was under the impression that they do relatively little damage since aircraft are unarmored and you don’t need a massive explosion to take one down
Bagel dozen, lox free?
Thought that was the Israeli pilot from Sum of All Fears.
Why was this movie filled with F-18s?
America had more F-16s and F-15s during this time, I believe even a thousand more F-14s and even F-4E
The first counterstrike was led by a marine squadron and the military pulled out over the Area 51 plot points so CGI F-18s were all they had the budget for.
Plus a handful of F-14's in the background.
In the approach to the climax battle you see F14s, F4s, Harriers, I think some F5s, and other aircraft in formation with F18s.
We also see F16s get blasted on the tarmac with a C130
Eagle 7, this is Eagle 4. What's your vector, Victor?
>Lose your entire Fighter Squadron
So anyone get punished, or did command look the other way because it was aliens with shields?
Command was already dead. IIRC right after ayys shot down the attacking aircraft, they then wiped out the entire marine base that launched them (El Toro? )
If i remember the movier right, Will Smith's girlfriend tried to get to him and found out thet the base was razed to the ground.
They also wiped out norad after the first counterattack failed.
How is that a gay kraut managed to do a more pro-guns patriotic film than most american-born straight directors?
>inB4 parody
Oh shut up, I am not from US and I remember all the kiddies in my school wanting to become a fighter bomber pilot after watching the film.
call signs aside bigger mystery was how they teached a bunch of civvie pilots the controls of the fighters in the span of a few days it took to the lead up of area 51 battle. pic related was ex vietnam yet the others were not even that
flying a modern jet is easier than driving a golf cart
so who would win in a fight, 7 eagles or 2 foxes
>be spacecraft the size of a city
>gets torn up by fragmentation
Man those shields must have been the only thing keeping those ships together.
Welcome wagon reporting on station.
Anyone else think it was really dumb to use AAM's against 30km-long spaceships?
They should have flown some B-1's over them and dropped thousands of tons of bunker-busters
fire nuke cruise missiles when the shields were down
I don't understand that during the final battle there were still F-16s and F-5Es on the ground, why weren't they flying?
Also how did the other Chairforces bring down the alien ships? I doubt they have the same numbers as the Americans and did each Chairforce sacrifice one guy to go kamikaze on that particle beam?
They were short on pilots, hence why they conscripted a bunch of alcoholic Vietnam vets.
Oh you did NOT shoot that green shit at me!
Realistically outside of an invasion was there any scenario where almost an entire wing was emptied out and sent flying fully loaded?
Do carrier captains have the authority to just send every Super Hornet and F-35 in their ship airborne?
>Do carrier captains have the authority to just send every Super Hornet and F-35 in their ship airborne?
I would think so, no one on the ship outranks them and the western system of command means they don't need to call Washington for permission to do anything.
That said they might find themselves commanding an oiler for leaving the carrier defenseless and burning so many flight hours over nothing.
>filmed in the mid-90s
>where all of the pilots had combat experience since they bombed Iraq
>instantly lose to chuds with shields, no flares were used even as a distraction