Boeing is talking up the F-15EX at DAS, emphasizing how everything is brand-new "from the tip to the [tail]". What's the skinny on new features? Are there differences between the lots? Can poland into plane? Redpill me on F-15EX for home defence.
https://shephardmedia.com/news/air-warfare/digitally-redesigned-f-15ex-takes-the-skies-at-dubai-airshow-2023
couplefew non-rogoway links:
https://ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2023-11-13/usaf-f-15ex-ignites-renewed-interest-boeing-fighter
https://airandspaceforces.com/weapons-platforms/f-15ex
https://airforce-technology.com/projects/f-15ex-fighter-jet
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/f-15ex-not-currently-at-risk-of-schedule-breach-despite-delivery-delays-usaf
Thank you for that, Rogoway is a huge homosexual.
the long shadow of seomaxxing gawker/gizmodo type blog outlets is looong. it's a shame because he's either the author or editor of like, 90% of articles that turn up when you're trying to look into any given minor story. plenty of competent people contribute to the gossip rags but having to wade thru endless war zone shit about an airframe's chipped paint is tedious enough to discourage reading them.
F-15SEX*
>lacking proofs
science requires hard evidence
Here's my hard evidence on the F-15SEX
I will never not call it the F-1SEX
>What if we take McDonnell's plane from the 1970s, put all that stuff on it that made it fat and slow when they converted it to a bomber, and pretend it's now somehow a better fighter
t. Boeing
The F-15EX has better TWR than the original F-15...
Installed thrust isn't as high as F110-GE-129 specs on paper, and the EX is even draggier than the E
It's still slow as shit compared to the F-15A/C and has an atrocious turn rate
>slow
Max speed? accel? the F-15 (and variants) is limited to avoid damage.
>Installed thrust isn't as high as F110-GE-129 specs on paper,
As any turbofan installed, intakes-ducts never are ideal for the engine (and you're probably speaking about static thrust).
> is even draggier than the
Says who? A F-15 or F-15E with CFT are pretty much the same aircraft. The EX is 1.5T heavier than the original F-15, almost the same as the F-15E and mainly due to the extra fuel. With the same payload they are practically the same.
>It's still slow as shit compared to the F-15A/C and has an atrocious turn rate
it's basically an interceptor so duh
>a fat neckbeard virgin posts about a plane form his basement when he couldn't even outrun the plane himself because he's too fat to get out of his fat chair
"Installed thrust isn't as high as F110-GE-129 specs on paper."
Non-english speaking hands wrote this. The F110-GE-129 is a modern engine, fully variable in available thrust and not delimited by something stupid like inferior materials.
>Aircraft with considerably higher TWR and only marginally worse wing loading has an 'atrocious turn rate'
Are you high on a ton of crack or have you just been to Crackton High?
You know MDD and Boeing merged decades ago right? It was also just supposed to be the missile carrier hence the 2nd dude. F35 provides a safe platform for sensors. F15ex is the dakka.
yeah all that worthless avionics shit, who needs it? we should simply be doing kulbits and cobras to get behind our enemy, BVR is a meme anyway
This. Electronics reduce mission readiness rate and can't stand up to electronic warfare. All designs should have mechanical controls only with optical targeting.
Pierre "everything past the spitfire was a mistake" sprey, you son of a bitch
Actually fucking based. But there should be strap on avionics pods, or an easily accessible avionics bay, that allows you to plug in avionics packages as required. So if you want to go full retard you can fly without any avionics at all (yes, that means no air speed indicator, attitude indicator, aoa indicator, etc) and drop bombs on the enemy via hard linkages in the cockpit to the weapons release clamps, where if you want to do BVR you can strap on an AESA package, hook up the necessary avionics pods and fly basically a F-16V.
Holy shit now that I type that out it sounds really damn cool. I wish there was a plane in DCS that worked like this.
>what if instead of electronics, we had modular electronics
Precisely anon. It'd be absolutely fucking retarded but on the other hand imagine how powerful something like an F-16 would be if you could take out all the avionics and leave them empty (for performance) or fill them with fuel (for range).
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59669765/#q59669800
ctrl + f: OMS.
most modern aircraft do have some level of modularity and system isolation like that. for instance, consider the problem of working out what would happen on a current-generation boeing or airbus airframe if you performed an esd attack on a passenger seat's electronics console. you'll eventually find out that the media/entertainment infra in the back of the plane can be torn right out without anything interesting happening, that your seating zone can be shorted to no ill effects on the next zone over, and so forth.
plug-n-play legoization of modules is ultimately limited by the physical realities of how aircraft stay flying. the requirement that certain subsystems be integral to the body of the vehicle is just essential complexity, at a point. no matter how you modularise flight controls, you aren't ripping the hydraulics out or dropping the engine with quick-release ikea buttons.
Yeah, but see, I'm being really stupid on purpose. You know how an F-16 Block 50 has all sorts of avionics in it right, from stuff for engine control, flight control, flight data, fire detection, hydraulics, countermeasures, ECM support, targeting pod support, radar support, datalink stuff, flight telemetry recording, transponders, etc?
Rip all of that the fuck out. The pilot gets a plane that has fuel, an engine, a barebones flight control computer that has a manual section littered with warnings since it operates without knowledge of airspeed mach or attitude, a barebones hydraulics system, and a bunch of avionics bays that can be filled with fuel tanks depending on need. The F-16 Minus we'll call it. Half of pilots don't get it off the runway in its minimalist configuration, and that's a metric that is aimed for. Every time they figure out how to take off do missions and land without a vital avionics system, another avionics system gets taken out.
Oh also you're required to fast before being allowed to fly. If the plane can operate without knowing where it is or how fast it's going, you can operate without that 20 kg of muscle you went to the gym for. If you have to eject and snap your neck in the process, that's your fault for flying badly.
it's just physically difficult to kerbalize anything irl to a substantial fraction of what's possible by the power of weaponized schizophrenia (computing). virtualisation is a window into arbitrary worlds. post-information theoretic reality has a Being Really Gay bias. whatever you want to fuck up next on the ace combat monkey model from hell, the computer can get there and be a hundred thousand steps ahead of you if just know how to ask
doing this all via practical effects, no thinksand fuckery, would be a job for the likes of the houthi airforce tho for sure
>weaponized schizophrenia (computing)
>post-information theoretic reality has a Being Really Gay bias
>likes of the houthi airforce
The post of 2023 right here, I love you anon. Unironically the only good namefag we've had in like 5 years.
Be honest though, the F-16Minus would be a really fucking cool plane. I'm not arguing for the complete elimination of electronics, just the absolute bare minimum. You'd want to fly it in DCS.
>designed the f15's later variants, begrudgingly
>flawless a2a combat record
>designed the f16 from tha GROUND UP
>most successful fighter in human history
>designed the a10
>t. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>'nuff said
>designed the f22, again as a prisoner of conscience
>so unfathomably OP that the only aircraft that dared to dogfight it was a malfunctioning, uncommanded balloon with no discernible control surfaces
i guess you could say he had some wisdom to impart, anon. you'll get it when you're older
there is a locksneed nagger posting in this thread right now (im his co-worker)
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You should unironically lose your clearance if you post here
You should unironically suck another chode and pick the pubes out of your teeth. homosexual
is MIC still utilitarian/meritocratic and just putting up an air of hr mammy diversity hire bullshit for DEI investment, or is it actually bad, mr cocksneed?
So this is why milestone C is so late? Because Cocksneed Shartin employees post on PrepHole instead of working?
Go back to work Cleetus McPeanus.
And for fuck sake stop going on these chinese camgirls sites!
>Digitally redesigned
>gets digits
pottery
>Dubai Airshow
Is the US trying to fill in the shitskin market vacuum left by Russia after they diverted all production and excess inventory towards the war in Ukraine? There's been a lot of talk recently about US fighter exports recently and things like the f-16 re-entering full rate production even when the US gov won't be buying any more.
i don't follow it closely enough to know. also, dubai is a sorta weird show no matter the year.
- it's routine for vendors subject to some ongoing political drama to not show up at their booths. this year it's israel's turn (IAI and rafael noshows – elbit did show up with a nominal presence).
- the overwhelming bulk of $ is in commercial, non-military aircraft orders. DAS is historically known as the place where the massive airliner deals are made.
- nations with larger aerospace sectors are known to do military product launches / premieres, but it's almost never flagship aircraft. russia especially started using DAS for this in the 90s, when MAKS was brand-new and nobody wanted to go to moscow for it.
this year, russia's big ticket item [1] is a new IL76 variant. why anyone on earth would want new, heavy-lift airframes from an industrial base actively being smothered to death is beyond me. the rostec press release also mentions random bullshit like how the AK19-short [2] will be there!! which must be deeply embarrassing to the aerospace guys. it's an invitation-only expo, without a doubt the most important one abroad for them.
[1]: https://rostec.ru/news/rostekh-vpervye-v-istorii-sovremennoy-rossii-pokazhet-za-rubezhom-tyazhelyy-transportnyy-samolet
[2]: see https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59309945/#q59312991 and replies
that being said, the helicopter looks neat, by russian standards. no idea what's truly new about it or how it stacks up against others.
Ka-27 is coolcute. I think they made a dual ducted fan pusherprop variant.
she is very heavily armed
>the EX can carry more ordnance
how? it's the same fucking plane. what's stopping them from bolting a couple more pylons on a normal F-15?
Reinforced components and more thrust. And if the intended role is strike fighter it' allowed load more weight because it doesn't need be as maneuverable as a superiority fighter (ie the rafale as attacker has far lower TWR at MTOW than the eurofigther at MTOW).
Many old fighters are used strike fighters or attackers, (upgrades are optional).
EX has the most outward wing pylon unlocked thanks to switch to full fly-by-wire. That's +4 AIM-120 or more of other stuff for chin pylons. They weren't used before because they caused a risk of departure from stable flight. Also more powerful engines.
>5EX fires JASSM
they're doing this on purpose aren't they
Gotta fill in those arming ques for new variants in Ace Combat somehow anon
F-1 Sex fires three Jizz’ems
F-15EX is at best a 4++ gen fighter compared to KF-21/TF-KAAN which are 4.5 gen, so why would filthy rich inbred arabs choose the former?
You know 4.5 and 4+ are synonymous right?
It's asiaticshill. He doesn't.
man your ass must be really sore given how deep you had to reach up it for those nonsense labels and bullshit
tell me about 4++
>for you
do you know what the range reduction will be for the initial lots without conformal fuel tanks?
God, that is disgusting.
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W*man or fag
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>HOMOSEXUAL DETECTED
Final Fantasy 10?
F-15EX is the biggest cope in modern American history.
An updated design of a 50 year old plane, built for the Saudis with a new sticker on it. They didn't even bother removing the second seat which the USAF doesn't even use.
FISEX
F-15 is SEX because of McDonnell, fuck Douglas though, and FUCK BOING
>F-1EX
>F-1 5EX
>F-fif teenEX
>F-teen 5EX
>F-teen SEX
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