Drone warfare

>Russian commentators explain the role of Ukrainian drone on a tactical and operational level.
Consulting from the SVO Zone: the role of Ukrpov drones in repelling our offensive

Collected various reviews and materials on this topic:

- Impressions of the wounded from different directions about how the shelters use drones to repel our attacks.

- Materials on trench RERs (drone detectors) and EEB.

- For the training of our infantry.

- To solve/ignore problems in the GS and MO.

I will summarise in this text how things look now and where to go.

How are things now?

It sucks. From October to the present day, the Armed Forces of Ukraine slow down and stop our offensive in a particular area with the help of special (separate) UAV detachments - representatives of a new kind of troops in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Initially, there were 10 such detachments working under Avdiivka. In addition to manoeuvring the combined arms reserves, the Ukrovsky command also manoeuvres these detachments.

The consumption rates of FPV drones in Khokhlov have been described more than once:

— 3-4 on one (!) Of our fighter in the assault group when repelling the attack.

- 6-10 per tank or BMP/BTR.
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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The result is dozens of damaged and destroyed tanks and BMP/BTR/MTLB under the same Avdeevka, the failure of the original plan to break through the front and create a large boiler. I had to create a small caldron and gnaw through the city.

    The general impressions of the wounded infantrymen from the Zaporozhye direction, from near Avdeevka and Yara Clock are as follows: the infantry catches drones and occupies the territory when the enemy runs out of drones, and we still have people in the ranks. I smoothed it out - it was a very rude cry of the soul. If we specify:

    - When preparing the assault, radio electronic reconnaissance (RR) should be carried out with the help of drone detectors. The frequencies at which enemy FPVs, Maviki and other drones operate should be determined.
    But this is not done, because drone detectors are supplied by volunteers, or take on their own. The command of military units either scores the bolt or can help to obtain individual samples.

    There is no sufficient supply (centralised or decentralised).

    There is no entry into the preparation of the offensive, that is, in the tactics. As a rule, no, there are some exceptions.

    - The trench electronic material in the form of quite cheap samples for the Ministry (but not for humanitarian workers and fighters) is purchased by volunteers or for their own. The number is insufficient relative to the number of assault groups involved.
    Part 2

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the infantry catches drones and occupies the territory when the enemy runs out of drones, and we still have people in the ranks.
      glory to the USSR

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Apologize to Enemy at the Gates and Call of Duty. Apologize right now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the failure of the original plan to break through the front and create a large boiler.
      >I had to create a small caldron and gnaw through the city.
      They're still cauldronposting, lmao.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They're still cauldronposting, lmao.
        It's brewing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          eyebrows are in the ass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The level of training and knowledge of each specific silencer is insufficient, because people themselves are forced to study, to the best of their ability and time.

      As a rule, the RER is not carried out with the help of drone detectors with the suppression of actual frequencies of Ukrainian drones with the help of electronically - the result is in the form of skeletons of many tanks and IFVs near Avdeevka.

      - Every third infantryman can be given a shotgun for assault, as there may not be a shootout with enemy infantry (covers tick from positions under artillery shelling), but raids of Khokhlo-drones will be mandatory.

      But! There are not enough shotguns, there are not enough cartridges for them, and, most importantly, there is no appropriate fire training, as well as enough time for combat training.

      Recently, the media reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine reduced the training period of military personnel to 1.5 months due to our offensive... And we haven't reached such deadlines yet, because on average it's 2 weeks, at best 4, but almost never - 6-8. It would just be a little shot here, and from a shotgun on the flying balloons (at least)...

      - The near rear of our troops suffers from raids of Baba-Yaga-type multicopters and FPV drones from the Ukrainian side. What did our air Defence officers oppose?
      Part 3

      At the expense of humanitarian workers and for their own, they recruited thermal imagers for the AK and PKK for air surveillance posts (AVN). The number is not enough to cover the entire front, but, for example, even this number was enough to start rolling Ukrainian FPVs 1-4 a day.

      At our own expense and with the help of private people, we have got single machines for anti-aircraft firing from PKM. The quantities are ridiculous. But even one anti-aircraft machine gun per brigade (!) With a heat sooner or later hit "Yaga" - according to reviews.
      https://t.me/vault8pro/51305
      Part4 end

      >transmittion detectors and jammers aren't paired

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't even know why it surprises me anymore but it still does.
        It makes perfect sense to not split up two things designed to work in tandem. They don't split the engines out of the airframes and expect their planes to fly so why would they split detectors and jammers?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I remember thinking this guy was being arrogant in the extreme and would surely end up eating his words at some point, way back when

        I'm glad to see that he was entirely correct in his assessment. More than he ever could've known at the time.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly same, I figured some heads would roll in the Russian military and those with political positions would be replaced by people that know how to fight a war.
          Turns out Putin would rather lose the war by keeping useful idiots than risk someone smart getting popular by turning the tide.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Turns out Putin would rather lose the war by keeping useful idiots than risk someone smart getting popular by turning the tide.
            Remember how Putin put some experienced manager as head of 80k strong mercenary group and that guy almost overthrew Monke? Why would he want someone competent in charge of 500k soldiers?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I still feel robbed
              Pringles went out like the GoT finale

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The level of training and knowledge of each specific silencer is insufficient, because people themselves are forced to study, to the best of their ability and time.

    As a rule, the RER is not carried out with the help of drone detectors with the suppression of actual frequencies of Ukrainian drones with the help of electronically - the result is in the form of skeletons of many tanks and IFVs near Avdeevka.

    - Every third infantryman can be given a shotgun for assault, as there may not be a shootout with enemy infantry (covers tick from positions under artillery shelling), but raids of Khokhlo-drones will be mandatory.

    But! There are not enough shotguns, there are not enough cartridges for them, and, most importantly, there is no appropriate fire training, as well as enough time for combat training.

    Recently, the media reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine reduced the training period of military personnel to 1.5 months due to our offensive... And we haven't reached such deadlines yet, because on average it's 2 weeks, at best 4, but almost never - 6-8. It would just be a little shot here, and from a shotgun on the flying balloons (at least)...

    - The near rear of our troops suffers from raids of Baba-Yaga-type multicopters and FPV drones from the Ukrainian side. What did our air Defence officers oppose?
    Part 3

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And we haven't reached such deadlines yet, because on average it's 2 weeks, at best 4, but almost never - 6-8.
      Noticed the 2 week training in multiple Russian telegrams, I guess who needs training when their job is to die

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm surprised it's two whole weeks. I just assumed they were put in a uniform, given a couple days of basic training, and then forced to ride BMP/golf carts to get ready to go in the next wave.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          anon, their training amounts to getting half a mag or less worth of bullets to fire at stationary targets, dicking around doing whatever's asked of them at the so-called training fields, or doing nothing at all except being drunk off their asses. The various mobik complaint videos attested to all this.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2 weeks is almost elite, average training is 5-7 days (1 day on the range).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is crazy to me. Basic was 14 weeks for me even I joined the army way back in the day... and I still arrived at my unit essentially still clueless. Even after six months at my permanent unit, I probably shouldn't have been deployed because I was still adjusting and learning. I did deploy, but that was obviously not the point. I still had essentially 9 months of daily training and I had more yet to learn. The idea of being taken off the street, trained for two weeks, trained for even four weeks, then shipped off to fricking Ukraine is nightmarish. It is literally terrifying.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Their job is to die, get on top of BMP-1, ride into minefield, survivors get out and charge the trench. That's all they are taught

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. The shortest conscript training in Finland was 6 months when I served. Roughly 2 months basic + 2 months specialization + 2 months combined arms & large exercises, though the basic training, marksmanship practice and other random drills continued through the entire service. NCOs, vehicle crews, anyone chosen to operate something complicated, etc. served longer than that.
          I think that was about the absolute minimum you could give soldiers and expect them to function (when lead by professional officers). Not just as individual soldiers, but as part of a larger unit.
          And at least we got to fire our rifles a lot. I've been hearing stories of Russian conscripts who shot maybe 1 mag total during their service, and that was before this shitshow.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > I've been hearing stories of Russian conscripts who shot maybe 1 mag total during their service, and that was before this shitshow.

            It's worse than that, they are used as free labor.

            No military training, just farming or construction work for free for their officers. Yes, they ARE in the military but their military is corrupted to the core and does not always provide actual training.

            It's hard to grasp as a westerner but yeah - a school without education.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          6 weeks aeems fine to me. Ukraine knows exactly what they'll be doing - defending trenches or storming trenches. can do that plus first aid shit in 6 weeks easy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >defending trenches or storming trenches
            These are literally two of the most demanding tasks you can ask of an infantryman. It's pure small-unit tactics which requires unit cohesion and discipline.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              storming yes, one assumes the more experienced ukies do that. they seem well organised in the all the ones I've seen

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The ones that go poorly they all probably die. Bogged down crossing the field? Dead by artillery. Counterattacked in the trenches and forced to withdraw? Retreat across the field under fire, probably dead by artillery.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Experience is gained through hardship, 1 month in the front is more valuable than a year of training

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That has the same vibes as "i grew up in the ghetto, these streets made me tough".

            Doesn't work that way. You don't gain skills passively like they are a videogame stat just by not dying.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He is right, and "not dying" on the front is not passive activity. That said, the attrition rate with Basic vs In Ghetto Donbass Trenches is not the same and you want people in basic for as long as possible

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nah bruh, that's just the survivor bias skewing the average quality of the front coghort

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How much of your 14 weeks was land nav, making beds, dress code, PT ect.
          You can skip all that shit without having a major impact on combat preformance in a trench war.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, you can't. All of that has a purpose in creating discipline among the men. Discipline is not some vague concept that has no utility. It's what keeps your unit combat effective when losses are such that it has no reason being that way. Disciplined troops are an absolute necessity for the military of a civilized country. Otherwise, you're just wasting lives.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When war is something you are training for in theory it can be hard to gets guys to take it seriously and listen to those that know. When you are going to an active war within weeks, you are going to have people paying a lot more attention to those that survived it.
              Everything I have read from western volunteers training over there is they pay more attention and ask more questions than any western recuits because they know it's for real.
              I'm not saying it wouldn't be better if they got 6 months but that isn't the hand they were dealt.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              anon, as prior a chairman myself, they cannot comprehend the importance of what we do and why. I don't think you know this, but they don't even have a proper NCO core. It's just grunts, saltie grunts, and officers.
              Even prior to this war, they were moronic anon.
              >basic 8 weeks
              >tech school 10 months
              For my AFSC.
              Never deployed myself
              >'technically' title 10 deployed to my home unit since I worked with the mq9s but I don't count that shit or the combat ribbon either.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The lower ranking officers are their NCOs basically. Actual officer rank authority starts ath the Major or Lt. Colonel level.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Right but that's moronic which is the point. NCOs are the backbone of a military due to tenure and experience, butterbars sure as frick ain't that.
                Even then, majority of the best Os to work with are prior enlisted NCOs.
                There's so much wrong with the Vatnik military in general, but honestly the lack of NCO core is a major proponent of a lot of their other issues.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, you can't. All of that has a purpose in creating discipline among the men. Discipline is not some vague concept that has no utility. It's what keeps your unit combat effective when losses are such that it has no reason being that way. Disciplined troops are an absolute necessity for the military of a civilized country. Otherwise, you're just wasting lives.

            Skipping the basics is why Russian trenches are full of garbage and can be seen from fricking space.
            These aren't trivial matters.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In addition to things like "always making the bed the same way" being what keeps you sane around a bunch of other morons in a trench, all that stuff actually does teach you a lot. The most effective way to learn what doing detail-oriented work while stressed and fatigued feels like is to do detail-oriented work while stressed and fatigued. Basic is just that lesson over and over again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The issue isn't time, but how and what is being trained. A guy I know from moscow got mobilized a year ago, their group spent three months "in training", but it was mostly like an adult daycare center to alcoholics. Almost no training, just boozing up and doing weird crap, with some traces of rape involved as well. Two weeks of real training would have more effect than this shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Recently, the media reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine reduced the training period of military personnel to 1.5 months due to our offensive... And we haven't reached such deadlines yet, because on average it's 2 weeks, at best 4, but almost never - 6-8. It would just be a little shot here, and from a shotgun on the flying balloons (at least)...
      How can people still pretend its "le hohol meatgrinder" with comments like this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There are not enough shotguns, there are not enough cartridges for them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Every third infantryman can be given a shotgun for assault

      I hope the russians do this, shotguns are cool

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When the man with the shotgun gets droned, the man on the left picks up the shotgun. When the man on the left gets droned, the man on the right picks up the shotgun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >every THIRD infantryman
      that is fricking nuts. you want one in three of your dudes to half be on anti-drone duty? it's that bad? holy shit. that is terrifying.

      >rolling ukrainian FPV's 1-4 a day
      maybe it's just me but that doesn't sound like nearly enough to have any amount of safety.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that is fricking nuts. you want one in three of your dudes to half be on anti-drone duty? it's that bad? holy shit. that is terrifying.
        bruh have you not been paying attention? the infantry barely see each other in this war. they die to arty and drones, if two groups end up in a trench together they typically spend hours grinding each other down with grenades and waiting for their own FPVs and bombers to clear the way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >- Every third infantryman can be given a shotgun for assault, as there may not be a shootout with enemy infantry (covers tick from positions under artillery shelling), but raids of Khokhlo-drones will be mandatory.
      does this vindicate all of the /k/ posters who have been kvetching about shotguns for over a year now?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        slavs never had a good combat shotgun industry.

        They had OUs and SbS for hunting, but that is it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >rookies looting military corpses in Cordon.webm

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At the expense of humanitarian workers and for their own, they recruited thermal imagers for the AK and PKK for air surveillance posts (AVN). The number is not enough to cover the entire front, but, for example, even this number was enough to start rolling Ukrainian FPVs 1-4 a day.

    At our own expense and with the help of private people, we have got single machines for anti-aircraft firing from PKM. The quantities are ridiculous. But even one anti-aircraft machine gun per brigade (!) With a heat sooner or later hit "Yaga" - according to reviews.
    https://t.me/vault8pro/51305
    Part4 end

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I appreciate your effort to compile an interesting topic for us OP, but unfortunately you made a grave mistake in doing so – listening to a russian accounts.
    Just by quickly scrolling through I can say that those russian schmucks are completely clueless at what the frick they are talking about and operate on about the same level of superstition and hearsay as would we right here, at best.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >same level of superstition as hearsay as we would right here
      stopped reading.

      [...]

      >neutroooooler homosexual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >those russian schmucks are completely clueless at what the frick they are talking about
      Yea, I'm sure they can't even count and don't know how long they were in basic for.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Time in russian basic is likely measured by dicks sucked.
        >vasily and I were on the same bus coming in.
        >I performed well and got out in 3 dicks. But vasily was in for 7 dicks and 1 in the ass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really, at least 50% of the stuff they say can be taken into account, if done carefully. They might be delusional about AFU drone usage and sizes, but they at least know how long they train their own gays.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any videos of drones being taken out with shotguns in actual combat? (not a staged proof of concept video)

    If shotguns were effective then you'd think the Ukies would be asking for them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There was one in the last few weeks. I think it was from a Russian, but not positive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think I've seen 3 videos like this from the RU pov. All of them seemed suspect, and in all of them the drone has unnaturally high contrast with the background. In one of them even the "explosion" looked like CGI. It is very possible to shoot a drone down, and if they want to make these videos for propaganda purposes I don't get why wouldn't they just shoot one of their own drones down. It would make for better footage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only actual, real footage I can say for 100% certain is not faked was Ukies shooting down a Shasneed from like 50 feet away.
      You would be amazed how many people claim they've seen dozens, neigh, hundreds of drones being shot down by shotguns, yet the frickers don't even watch gore kino.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've shot tons of clay pigeons with a double barrel. You can seriously not use that to hit drones? I know it's not 100% the same thing, but you should be able to clip a drone with small pellets 20m out. It'll blow up and rain shrapnel in some cases but a Spetsnaz helmet and flak armour should protect you. Is Russia seriously unable to equip 1 in 10 mobiles a basic shotgun and flak armour?

      Lmao of course not, but still

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shotguns work and are used by AFU as well, the footage of which exists, the thing is that their efficiency shouldn't be overblown. It work in a very specific set of environments, such as being hunkered down in building and taking out a few drones around you. But a couple pidors in a trench won't be saved by having a shotgun, because you need to actively try to look out for drones and fast reaction time, good aiming and so on, usually there's not enough personnel to work on that to keep guard for drones 24/7. Or when pidors are packed on top of a vehicle - good luck identifying and shooting it down fast enough, when the drone if flying fast a you.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd also add how heavy shotguns are, how heavy the ammo is, and how much training is required to be good with them. Logistically and training-wise it's kind of a nightmare.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a reddit tourist, could you anons give tldr on drones overall? Without connection to this war specifically, just about their overall usefulness and perspectives. Will they replace infantry or something?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Drones are good for surveillance especially for countries like Ukraine and Russia which lacks a robust aviation also they are great for reconnaissance, spotting artillery and harassing armored columns

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So it's merely a recon tool? The media portraits them like that they are able to just fly to any pricey military machinery and blow it up while cost as dirt themselves so making any land stuff like tanks pretty much useless. Isn't it so?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The media lied
          Immagine my shock

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not merely.
          There are good numbers of loitering munitions that do blow up vehicles and drop bombs on infantry. But those are more for morale degredation like snipers.
          You are not safe in the trenches, at any moment a $200 drone might drop a grenade at your feet.
          You are not safe in your tank even behind the lines away from any atgm's as at any moment you might get a shaped charge dropped on you, or just an explosive in the hatch if you keep it open so have fun baking in your metal sauna in the summer.
          Kamikaze drones that just slam into things do exist but they're not the norm.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Kamikaze drones that just slam into things do exist but they're not the norm

            https://i.imgur.com/7FfYjLg.jpeg

            >Russian commentators explain the role of Ukrainian drone on a tactical and operational level.
            Consulting from the SVO Zone: the role of Ukrpov drones in repelling our offensive

            Collected various reviews and materials on this topic:

            - Impressions of the wounded from different directions about how the shelters use drones to repel our attacks.

            - Materials on trench RERs (drone detectors) and EEB.

            - For the training of our infantry.

            - To solve/ignore problems in the GS and MO.

            I will summarise in this text how things look now and where to go.

            How are things now?

            It sucks. From October to the present day, the Armed Forces of Ukraine slow down and stop our offensive in a particular area with the help of special (separate) UAV detachments - representatives of a new kind of troops in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

            Initially, there were 10 such detachments working under Avdiivka. In addition to manoeuvring the combined arms reserves, the Ukrovsky command also manoeuvres these detachments.

            The consumption rates of FPV drones in Khokhlov have been described more than once:

            — 3-4 on one (!) Of our fighter in the assault group when repelling the attack.

            - 6-10 per tank or BMP/BTR.
            Part 1

            >The consumption rates of FPV drones in Khokhlov have been described more than once:
            >— 3-4 on one (!) Of our fighter in the assault group when repelling the attack.
            >- 6-10 per tank or BMP/BTR.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon is working off an old paradigm, at best. The old drone drop dominated solution was forced by necessity. Since then we see
              >scout drones remain traditional layout for stability and clarity
              >FPVs dominate offence due to speed and precision
              >drone drops used primarily where they won't fear countermeasures, eg cleaning out wounded men and disabled vehicles
              Drone drops were noted for low return survivability before, so the tradeoff of potentially coming back wasn't worth the lessened effectiveness in most cases

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They seem to use droppers in trench fights, at least judging from the big trench fight footage released a couple weeks ago.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >you will respond to me as if I'm some Russian shill
    No, you're a brown poojeet.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I need not seethe over a russians sucking dicks joke because you are already doing it plenty. How is the weather in texas oblast?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Crazy how joking over the documented fact that russians do gay shit sets off the shills.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To fight against globohomo. we must first experience what globohomosexual is. this way we'll know the best way to resist.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why can't anything ever stay on topic for even fifty posts?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because there's only so much to discuss. Once that's run out, all you are left with is tangents and shitposting.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Russia has the highest number of HIV cases in all of Europe by a huge margin, and the following two countries in the ranking are those with close ties with russia and the highest numbers of russian nationals (belarus and ukraine)
    Russian prison culture spread over in the general population, but more importantly it has massively leaked in the army culture, as Russian prisoners are a substantial part of russian soldiers, further exacerbating an already existing issue (remember prigozhin talking about how they had to separate the "normal" prisoners from the wieners because they didn't want to share space with them)
    homie there's footage of them sucking each other off on the battlefield

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You were dishonorably discharged for being a rapist pos, moron

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It's not your fault you got raped anon. It's not your fault.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >claims to not care about russia
    >gets triggered over joke about the state of russia

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Triggered jeets are attempting to derail this thread because it's
    A) about weapons, they prefer penises
    B) concerning something Russia is struggling with, which offends them as racial brothers
    discuss drones. You're only going to see more of them.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tape dildo to drone
    >fly drone into russian camp
    >wait while they run up to it to put the dick on the lips
    >BOOOOOM!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Waste of a drone given it would only target a few.
      Now disguising it as a case of vodka on the other hand.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was trying to find a gif of the origianl dildocopter from that russian press conference a decade ago, and I came across this:

        https://nypost.com/2023/04/05/ukrainians-exchange-russian-fighters-drone-order-with-dildos/

        >“He is a war criminal, volunteer, blogger and now dildo owner,”

        kek NYPost is a national treasure. Love that tabloid.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Maybe take it up with your new general, who was once your old general.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Sorry, I can't keep up with the number of triggered so called oldgays that for some reason get upset at the biggest happening we ever got in living memory. Are you the Indiana gay then? or the other butthurt butthole that wants "war tourists" off "your" board?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Sorry, slime molds and fungi are not real humans, so don't expect me to sympathize or empathize with them.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >calls everyone else a tourist and demands they post guns when called out on his obvious shilling
    organic, you take payment in Rupees or Roubles?

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Enough with this gay fricking bickering. I have an actual question.
    Is the change from drone drops to more of a surveillance role the result of not enough drones being produced or is providing infantrymen with drones to drop grenades on the enemy generally not effective?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a result of you consistently ignoring FPVs at this point because just reading the OP would demonstrate that it's not about lack of drones.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know about FPV's I am asking about small short range drones.

        It's more like they can serve both roles, either way most drones are consumable products, if you spot a target you drop your load or ram them depending on the sort of drone being flown, set them in place as a trap for any hapless enemy that comes across it, or recover them if you're close enough to manage that. The average flight time squeezed out of a small drone is about 8-10 minutes from launch.

        >the change from drone drops to more of a surveillance role
        I haven't seen anything to suggest that, but if that is the case it's likely due to FPV drones starting to replace "bomber" drones, as they are more versatile.

        Do you think there are meaningful benefits to doing something like equipping every infantryman with the small drones or would that not be worth the expense?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Do you think there are meaningful benefits to doing something like equipping every infantryman with the small drones
          no.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          FPVs are short range drones. They are the same thing as the quads used for drops, just better optimized for speed and maneuvering.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >FPVs are short range drones
            They can fly out for 8kms. It is just a one way trip. That's on the shorter range of tube artillery, but I wouldn't call tat "short range."

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Some of the better ones were able to fly out to 18-20 km range. Some Puccians recently were shitting themselves in fear claiming Ukraine is developing kamikaze drones that can travel up to 30 km in ideal conditions.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >. It is just a one way trip.
              That's true but it's just an advantage of the way they're used. They are fundamentally in the same class as other small quads and compete in that niche, which is why we see them more and drops less.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So these guys are using Notion and Aliexpress in order to kill Russians? Neat.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'd probably go with a designated squad position, like 2TL or something. The XM25 showed one launcher with more ammo is ideal. Train everyone, but only one guy carries it (or them)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's more like they can serve both roles, either way most drones are consumable products, if you spot a target you drop your load or ram them depending on the sort of drone being flown, set them in place as a trap for any hapless enemy that comes across it, or recover them if you're close enough to manage that. The average flight time squeezed out of a small drone is about 8-10 minutes from launch.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the change from drone drops to more of a surveillance role
      I haven't seen anything to suggest that, but if that is the case it's likely due to FPV drones starting to replace "bomber" drones, as they are more versatile.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is the change from drone drops to more of a surveillance role the result of not enough drones being produced
      Droppers were used because it lets you use a drone more than once and they didn't have enough to use FPVs on infantry.
      You are seeing more spotter footage now because it's more interesting to watch that a grainy video of a guy running then static as the feed dies.
      For for the effectiveness of droppers common numbers from operators were ~4 missions until they were shot down by small arms because they have to hover low over the target to hit anything.
      We don't have any data on how accurate they were because we only see hits uploaded but the Ukies have stopped using them so they were likely pretty shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dropper drones have shorter range and are (I believe) less likely to hit compared to FPV
      They probably figure that it's more effective to use stable drones to observe from far away, then send in the FPVs for the kill once a target is spotted
      I think dropper drones are used almost exclusively as a clean up tool now. That already was what they did most of the time even earlier in the war, but now, with a more stable front and both sides being more conscious of drones, it got much harder to use them for anything other than that.
      I did see dropper drones being used to kill a handfulf of bikeniks though, that was fun

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >You don't understand the politics of the war from the Ukrainian or Russian side
    Ah a thinly veiled both sidesing. Definitely haven't seen that before ranjesh.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    keep crying, nobody gives a frick about you and others like you yelling at clouds.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >everyone just hates you
    We know.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I knew he was alive!

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    In the off-chance you're genuinely not a vatnoid, anon, you unironically *are* likely responding to and being replied to by actual board tourists from PrepHole, /hist/, etc. That means they're just gonna troll you rather than engage on your point, not because they're shills but just because they *are* still channers.
    Best advice I can give you is just ignore posters that irk you, man.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian commentators
    honestly who cares it is either dishonest or moronic

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Just little noguns queer homosexuals who like to laugh at real people with real families being killed
    Wrong, we're laughing at Russians.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    STFU or we will make you use a toilet, you shit-colored monkey.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    why not stop raping your conscripts? maybe then other countries will stop making fun of your conscripts for getting raped.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is a confirmed, 100% legit Ukrainian artilleryman who sometimes posts on the imageboard kohlchan, dude served back in 2014 too. He always keeps going on about how Russian drone superiority is *massive* in terms of Orlan, Zala, Lancet etc. His 2S1 already got droned to shit once but its the recon drones he fears the most.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >is *massive* in terms of Orlan, Zala, Lancet etc
      yeah, there doesn't seem to be sustainable way to deal with recon drones, even Russia seems to be running out of SHORAD missiles. Hopefully anti-recon drone fpv drones gain traction and more use

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >professional target complains of being targeted
      Yeah.
      In case you don't see the issue with your conclusion, drones don't offer much drone defence (yet). Russia doesn't need drone superiority to cause problems for arty, both parties are causing problems for arty. Anyone operating any armor lives in fear on both sides.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Crazy I never thought that shotguns would ever make it back for warfare outside of breaching, much less seeing then for drones
    AA-12 fricking when?

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