So the entire USCG as well as half of the US littoral combat ships would be destroyed by the DPRK 's new toy in a fair fight.
Both the Freedom Class and The Independance Class are undergunned and have no missiles to speak of.
The US really needs to reactivate the BB Texas, the fact that a Nork Frigate can torch half the small ships of the USN/USCG by itself really burns my ass.
>t norktard
What are you basing your claims on? Or are you just a shamless CCP shill
>shamless CCP shill
>/k/: The board that doesn't know that the PRC and the DPRK are seperate nations.
Yes, because anyone who speaks about the cabilities of your potential foes must be ignored and silenced. The best way to win a future war is to ignore your foes, tell your troops that they are harmless and to promise them that they will be home by Christmas.
> because anyone who speaks about the cabilities of your potential foes must be ignored and silenced.
That's one thing but your threads are delusional junche magic BS 120-proof.
>This weapon is a absolute POS barely useful to kill civilians in Seoul
>BUT ITS NORK SO ITS THE BEST WEAPON OF ITS KIND
You're like that.
>/k/: The board that doesn't know that the PRC and the DPRK are seperate nations.
NK is not a realistic threat and is only even worth talking about because Xinni the Pooh would defend it again. What happened today?
NTA
People are decades out of date when it comes to NK China relations, NK fucking hates China, for various reasons, not the least of which is they staged a Coup and tried to assassinate Kim Un a while back.
They might not say it on the news for propaganda purposes, but they despise each other.
You have NK generals saying shit like "the missile program is not the deterent against the southern border, rather the other border" these days.
4 defectors were found by the South Koreans in a boat.
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>Yes, because anyone who speaks about the cabilities of your potential foes
you don't know those, though, since there is no meaningful transparency with the DPRK, since it's a tinpot shithole.
Kimmie should focus on feeding his people, not toys to build up his already-overinflated ego.
Dprk can't afford shills on /k LoL
Is the Amnok class even carrying an AShM? It would lose to a naval strike from an Independence class.
It has two types, the box behind the bridge has two batteries whick appear to have two very large missiles each and six smaller ones. It's probably 4x Nork Silkworms and 12x smaller missiles There is also a launcher box in the rear close to the electro optical tracking mast but that is probably for the primary AA missiles and maybe the Ilga boxes as well as data feeds to the manned 14.5mm CWIS. The two Tilt Drum radars seem to be for the rear AK-260s and the forward Oto-Matic clone.
I know, it's why i bring up the fct that the Coast Guard has two classes of ships that are better than the LCS. Using the Nork pocket missile destroyer is just extra rage and replies.
But yet there they are still floating and being made Curious, you claim to abandon the ship class but are still making them?
All NK cares about is survival, their nuclear program ensured that almost 20 years ago Everything they have done since their second and third nuclear test is just blackmail and the international equavalent of shitposting. They are gangsters running a protection racket with atomic warheads and it seems to be working out for them quite well.
>LCS.
Is the faggy acronym just a thing because of bureaucracy and congress? At the end of the day aren't the LCS concept literally just corvettes ?
they're littorally just corvettes
I laughed
No, they're not. the Cleveland (LCS-31) is the last Freedom-class ship, launched on 15 Apr 2023. They're still fitting out because the hull is already built and floating. Five have been decommed and 3 sent to the reserve fleet; the other two are being held for potential foreign sales. Fincantieri Marinette Marine is designing and building the follow-on Constellation-class FFGs.
Future builds have been abandoned for the Independence-class; the Pierre (LCS-38) is the last to be built. They'll probably do MCM duties, but there's no follow-on class for Austal. Two have already been decommed, and two more are slated for next year.
Thank you for that information, it seems my knowledge was out of date.
I'm glad they are being ditched, they are all garbage. I liked the idea for the Independance, especially the automation and having a huge power supply for future upgrades but it ended up being shit.
Yeah but we actually have BBs and their hulls would be insanely expensive to recreate, not using what you already have is dumb. Besides, it would be a huge source of National pride and we could easily put them in harms's way knowing that if one was damaged or even sunk we could use the incident to justify any war we wanted. Use them to blast the 3rd world in low intensity conflicts and if they get damaged then make up some story about it.
"For 140 years the USS Texas has defended freedom and while engaged in humanitarian freedom of navigation operations in the Persian gulf the Iranian regime hit it with a paper airplane disturbing 6 crew members naps, this means war!"
The ships the USCG have are already better, even the previous generation. Giving them the LCS would destroy the USCG. They don't want them, they cost too much to maintain and they are useless.
Go take a tour of the Texas in drydock. Then come back and tell us how combat-worthy she is right now.
>Oto-Matic clone
They wish. It's a manualy operated 100m gun in a fancy looking turret, likely a B-34
>the box behind the bridge has two batteries whick appear to have two very large missiles each and six smaller ones.
There are pictures on the internet (pretty sure Naval News has an article about it) were you see that each battery has four tubes for very large missiles, as you can see in your picture, which are Hwasal-2 strategic cruise missile, with no antiship function.
There is however between these boxes and the forecastle a space where one could fit a pair of quad launchers for AShM.
The rear boxy thingy might be an Igla launcher indeed, though
No.
>trying to get people to defend the LCS
not gonna happen not even a good bait
eat a dick norkspammer
norktard ur ban expired or something?
>The US really needs to reactivate the BB Texas
Battleships are a dead concept for good reason. There will never be any circumstances that demand their reactivation. Get over it.
A single BB, even a reactivated USS Texas could wipe out all $6 billion of the Freedom class.
The Nork pocket missile destroyer in OP could take on half the Freedom Class single handedly because THEY ONLY HAVE GUNS AS WEAPONS AND THE NORKS HAVE BETTER GUNS AND MISSILES.
I would not compare the Freedom Class to a US Coast Guard Cutter because the US Coast Guard has at least two Cutters that are more durable and combate capable than the Freedom Class in a gun fight.
Both the Legend Class and Hamiltion Class are better in a gun fight:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend-class_cutter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton-class_cutter
I'd rate the Hamilton as the best as like the Nork ship it has a 76mm Oto-Matic and is heavily built enough to take a shitload of damage up tyo and including surviving a Anti Ship missile. The Legend dosen't have the gun range and if it got close enough to use it's 57mm not only would it be within range of the Nork 76mm it would risk being in range of the two AK-630s on the Nork ships ass which would be a disaster.
one missile would be enough to get rid of any bb, face it dude as fun as bbs were they just aren't useful anymore, not even muh railguns and really advanced aa will fix the problem since they are simply to costly while other botes can do the same job but better for cheaper
Yep. Nothing BBs can do with modern tech that can't be done by a new class of CGNs.
>pocket missile destroyer
So... a frigate??
In what scenario would a nork ship ever get close enough to deal damage to American assets? On what planet would a nork ship not be turned to rapidly cooling slag at the bottom of the ocean?
Battleships are an outdated concept, retard.
>in a fair fight
is this the new thirdie cope?
the entire point of war is to make it as unfair as possible
>the entire point of war is to make it as unfair as possible
That is obvious. That is not in question nor is the ability of the US Navy, Marine Corps or even US Coast Guard (with some losses) to blow the Nork boat to bits. The issue is the US Navy wasted a huge amount of money and ship building capacity on the Littoral Combat Ships which are utter garbage at their jobs.
>one missile would be enough to get rid of any bb
You are a idiot. Even a pre Dreadnought BB like the would shroug off several modern anti ship missiles. Yes it would be damaged but it would still be floating.
The sister ship of the USS Texas the USS New York survived multipule atomic bombs and had to be towed away before being scuttled via having the entire US Pacific fleet use it for target practice, it didn't even sink it just capsized but was still floating:
: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_York_(BB-34)
Pic highly fucking related, it's the ship a bit to the left near the water spout. It got nuked twice and was still capable of being used.
>survived multipule atomic bombs
You're cherrypicking
A close miss with Crossroads Baker killed two battleships and an aircraft carrier and various other ships. Nagato was half a mile away and still died.
Of course USS New York survived, she was further away.
>Even a pre Dreadnought BB like the would shroug off several modern anti ship missiles. Yes it would be damaged but it would still be floating
It's all in the hit location. A hit in the right place by something like a LRASM, say the engine room or even a magazine, would kill the ship instantly or eventually. Penetration is certain, no battleship belt can keep out a modern antiship missile.
>US littoral combat ships would be destroyed by the DPRK 's new toy
Laughs in RIM-116
>RM Roma goes blurb blurb
the concept of the LCS was already invalidated. They canceled it ages ago. Shit thread.
LCSs have SeaRAMs and COMBATSS-21 battle management system (derived from AEGIS) on them. The missiles would get shot down, and then the missile boat would get hell rained down on them. The RIM-116 missile can be used in surface attack as well; the HAS software update allows the missiles to target helicopters, [other] aircraft, and surface vehicles.
And that's assuming they don't just send the mission to a nearby and available DDG or F/A-18 squadron.
what cool ship types can we revive since we're doing that now
i've always liked cruiser but it won't come back. Schooner? Brig?
or maybe we can bring back first, second, third rate etc
>le ebin BEST KOREA (lol xd) shill
>retarded BB resurgence fag
>merely pretending
>concern troll
OP is a sub-human parasite
Here's a strange thought: send the decommed LCSs that are usable (e.g. don't have stripped out gearboxes) to the USCG. They could probably use some newer ships.
they also spend 100% of their human feces output (previously used as fertilizer supplement) to supplement uranium production.
The surface ships are just for show or skirmishes. We all know in a real fight the North Koreans would simply have their subs to Kamikaze nuke attacks by sitting still on the floor on areas they expect the US to attack from then blowing themselves up when our important ships are on top of them.
You are correct. Their attempts to make a class of pocket missile destroyers have nothing to do with national defense. Since the USA or it's allies will never actually fight the DPRK they are simply building a dick waving boat.
I keep comparing it to US Coast Guard ships because that is exactly what it is; a heavily armed dick waving boat. The DPRK has the worlds largest submarine force and a atomic weapons capacity. The weird thing is that their naval dick waving is about as effective as US Naval dick waving: Both are pointless so both the US and DPRK are on a equal ground (wave?) here.
They are not going to be getting into a major naval battle unless it is in one of three highly specific siduations all of which are highly unlikely and all of which they would probably win.
>The DPRK has the worlds largest submarine force
Of ww2 era submarines. So just like saying Sadam had 2000 T-55 it's equal to American 2000 Abrams
>WW2 era submarines
Someone should tell the RoK and USN that you know secrets that they don't, also tell them that the ship they lost was a hoax: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking
>They sunk single a corvette during peace time
So you're saying Ukrainian naval suicide drones are superior to Nork Submarine fleet?
>Anon says the DPRK has the largest submarine force in the world
>Wonder if that's true
>Look it up
>Goddamn, the Norks have 97 submarines in active service.
>Hey, just for comparison how many does the US Navy have?
>69 (nice)
>Look up Nork submarines
>76 of the 97 displace less than 300 tons.
>19 of the remaining 21 are Chinese-built copies of the Soviet Romeo-class that the Norks bought used.
>The last Soviet Romeo-class was built in 1961
Yeah.
>aspie with a debate fetish thinks rusty 70 year old cannon ships are of any relevance
>what is the meaning of the word "littoral"
go back to your video games
>Ship was launched in 2023
>Misses the entire point of the thread
>Contributes nothing to the conversation
>Only comments to derail the thread
You do know that attacking the DPRK or anyone who talks about them will go poorl;y for Russia right? We are just trying to talk about North Korean weapons but people like you keep interupting us. We don't care about Ukraine or Russia, we are not talking about that.
We are talking about North Korean Coastal Defense boats and the weapons they use.
When russia starts using them then we will talk about that but until then please fuck off.
I'll have you know that the Nork T-62 variant is better than a T-72m and better than a T-80 or T-90 or T-14 due to the better ammo storage and....Um...Something about two piece ammo,the 125mm gun and the Norks being able to use one piece munitions that allow for recessed APFSDS ammo compared to using a autoloader....Also i'll go on for a hour about the relocation of Choma-ho drivers to a centeral position compared to their previous position o the left side of the hull of all pro 125mm DPRK tank hulls! Yeah, i might be stoned.
I know right? I do it for free. I just like how their stuff looks and how they somehow manage to keep hanging on. If i was a dictator i'd want to be a Kim, it would be like being in a real life GI Joe cartoon. Take your daughter to work day would be hilarious and if anyone pissed her off at school then the next day here is me a the PTA meeting:
lol this schizo really got his ass touched, got another novel of garbage to write for us?
Norkfags smoke the best weed
Stinky missile brapp
>half of the US littoral combat ships would be destroyed by the DPRK 's new toy in a fair fight.
Wow, that's crazy. But what about the USN's thousands of other surface, subsurface, and aviation assets?
>> fair fight
NGMI, Kimberly
Look at this peice of shit, no guns bigger than 20mm. No AShMs either. This thing would absolutely get fucked by DRPK pocket guided missile destroyer. Such is the power of glorious Juche over the decadent west.
Verification not required
>ASW helicopters
this but arsenal ships
>*hits_pipe*
Hey, guys, like, whatever, man, build whatever kind of ships you want, as long as you're gainfully (or subsistantly) employing otherwise-out-of-work Americans (no immigrants, every kitchen is full of immigrants, t. worked alongside immigrants in a kitchen as literally the only american-born american until we got another guy who was also former army and born in either america or dominican republic i forgot).
Uh, yeah, so build arsenal ships, troop transport ships, light helicopter/VTOL carrier ships, light picket ships, light ASW ships, whatever, man. Just build ships, lots of ships, more ships than our potential enemies in the next peer conflict so that we can simply outship them.
JUST BUILD BOTES LOL.
My grandma also thinks Norks are a credible threat.
The truth is littorals are a meme when any shore defense can delete even battleship-grade coastal combatants in seconds, let alone some piece of shit aluminum tub.
If the US Navy had to require Texas, they would be better served melting that antique down into steel to use building more Arleigh Burke class DDGs.
I swear battleshit fanbois are Mike Sparks levels of retarded. This isn't a John Ringo schlok novel, the US Navy isn't bringing back Texas unless it's part of some scheme to recommission her to get the feds to pay for her upkeep as a museum ship.
The battleship is a marginally better littoral combatant then the Freedom class by virtue of their protection and firepower being better for coastal operations then a hundred gimmicks, but that says more about the LCS being a piece of shit that was obsolete the moment it left mooring then it does about battleships being in any way viable in the 21st century.
so this...is the power...of the juche..its over. we lost.
>glorious warships protected by the spirits of the Kim Dynasty underway to sink the goofy American LCS fleet
>eats a quicksink JDAM for breakfast
>sea water for lunch and dinner
>I have zero understanding of naval warfare: the post
Wow anon, it's almost like the US has spent the entire last half century working on missile defense systems of all kinds of weird and wonderful flavors.
>*hits_pipe*
Hey. You know what? If this "administration" really cared about "defending America" or "defeating unemployment," then they would institute a massive work program, reopen the naval yards in Brooklyn, Newport News, San Fran and anywhere else with a history of warship construction, and get to work with some top knotch radical naval architects on building a fleet of battleships.
Oh, I know they're "obsolete" -- *hits_pipe* -- but so were all those castles and monuments built by otherwise unemployed laborers taking part in work projects for pay during the Great Depression. They're just symbols. What they are once completed is immaterial; it's what they are before they're completed that's important: EMPLOYMENT for AMERICANS.
Heck, we'd even have on-site dining facilities & barracks, plus whatever else the workers need, so they need never even leave the naval yards, unless they wanted to. Do you know how many empty buildings are just sitting there right now? You could house (ala barracks) every single homeless American in the Brooklyn Naval Yard alone.
So, it's simple: we hire ANYONE & EVERYONE to work on the battleships. Gathering & processing all of the redeemable materials used in their construction -- yes, we're going to build these out of 100% recycled materials, especially the steel, which I know is iffy, but as long as we refine the steel extra-finely, and avoid chinesium garbage, we'll be fine.
Anyway, we make all sorts of jobs available at all levels of competence, so we'll have plenty of janitors and laborers. Imagine 0% unemployment, thanks to such titanic undertakings.
We'd've eliminated joblessness, AND built out our navy of fighting ships to numerically exceed that of China.
Who cares if these recycled battleships are not the most combat-worthy in today's sophisticated battlespace? It's an armed & armored boat, one of hundreds which can be deployed @ will to cover any sea zone while others are shuffled around.
But they don't care.
Why not build ships that might actually see usage like a next-generation cruiser or the Burke replacement
lol...if China says something, it must be true. Catch AIDS.
Umm... No sweaty. We got 6 of these bad boys with 128 vls.
Actual Korea enters the chat. Nice.
Oh look, it's the Norktard again.
Alas, the LCS was less that 0.5% of our yearly defense budget. So...how much of the DPRK's yearly overall budget did they spend on this...project?