>Dozens of Iranian drones and speedboats swarming two US Navy ships near the Persian Gulf after Washington sent them in to deal with Iran's renewed threat against one of the world's most important waterways, dramatic new footage has revealed.
>The speedboats were manned with armed soldiers from Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and came within inches of the ships, while drones also taunted the ships and managed to snap pictures right above them.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12428449/Moment-Iranian-drones-speedboats-swarm-warship-docking-ship-4-000-troops-board-tense-clash-Persian-Gulf.html
>Chopped up footage taken from several of the drones and speedboats showed Iranian soldiers speaking in a mix of English and Farsi, while a US soldier can be heard through garbled radio responding to the swarm of vessels, though it is unclear exactly what was said.
>Iranian media outlets claimed that the confrontation forced helicopters to land back on the Americans ships.
Im calling it: Next generation commercial warfare will completely obliterate the old stinky ww2 style warfare.
>Tanks obsolete
>Carriers obsolete
>helicopters obsolete
>ifv obsolete
>Fighter Jets obsolete
It’s going to be high speed warfare in the foreseeable future. extremely mobile squads using commercially available equipment to maximize damage.
Drones, UAV and long range (rocket) artillery are the new meta.
At some point Russia will probably place artillery units on the deck of tankers. The new warfare will make all countries like China and the US complete paper tigers.
>Drones, UAV and long range (rocket) artillery are the new meta.
You mean all the shit the US is better at than the rest of the world put together?
All of those categories the US dominates in numbers alone.. the actual quality of them (the best in the world btw) is an entirely different argument
Are you actually arguing the US takes a quantity over quality approach? You stupid little brown maggot, we can do both.
If US has decent amount of cold war leftover overs but they're woefully behind in the digitization field. They're simply not up to snuff quality wise compared to 1st world countries
Decent b8, you got two genuine replies and a congratulations from me
>Reading comprehension: 0
But anon you did try to argue that the US does quantity over quality
No he didn't, he said that the US has a quantitative advantage. That's not the same thing as saying they go for a quantity over quality approach
you are a retard
there's a reason that America had the Air Force General in Command And Conquer Generals.
fucking invincible until dropped the bombs and after that there's nothing left to engage them
One thing the US is bad at is making drones cheap.
But some drone swarm research done for DARPA is horrifying.
Chinas current strategy for taiwan is using cargo ships and ferrys for zerg rushing purposes. Shaping up to be a kino war
>argo ships and ferrys
The ones that sink light rocks as soon as they are lightly damaged?And burn easily?
Midwit
>At some point Russia will probably place artillery units on the deck of tankers.
Ivan, give them a broadside!
>meta
have a nice day
>At some point Russia will probably place artillery units on the deck of tankers
So a fucking nig rigged batleship
We have seen it before
Another
midwit take, PrepHole retards have been saying it for years, Ukraine war disproved all of your points but carriers. drone and missiles offer new surveillance and strike capability that has to be taken seriously but don't come close to making traditional warfare obselete. moron.
I wonder if they're smart enough to understand how fucked they would be if we cared to kill them and start a war. Do thirdies have the brainpower for that kind of hypothetical thinking?
That's not really the point. The point is to make the juice not worth the squeeze, or that you just won't roll over, and declaring that the US must resort to kinetic force to get its way.
Really sucks to be that messenger, though.
>threaten to shut off one of the most important waterways in the world
>juice not worth the squeeze
Pick one and only one.
I'm not saying it's a good idea, anon, or likely to achieve their goals, but they sure as fuck can't just roll over if they want to be taken the slightest bit seriously.
The Iranians have done this before. It was the last 24 hours that they had a somewhat viable (for the region) navy.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis
No, its not even that. The point is to pander to their domestic audience.
>No, its not even that. The point is to pander to their domestic audience.
This. mindless retards in speedboats who want to die for their mullah dictatorship because they get 7.5 fat ugly virgins and a free t shirt do pointless shit. I want the reincarnation of Regan to become US president and Nuke Tehran, mecca and Moscow and then shrug. Its time for the first global hegamonistic empire of USA as Rome and the EU as Greece, let it be built on irradiated ragheads and vatmorons. Time to colonise India, China and Africa property this time.
Your tendies are ready anon and remember you have school in the morning.
The present administration has neither the balls nor the cognitive ability to deal with Iran effectively.
>$4 billion for a couple hostages
They are only doing it because they know they can get away with it. Were Trump in office the whole "madman" strategy would keep them in line.
They delt with the far more dangerous Russia just fine
>Israel will you bomb Iran for us?
>They are only doing it because they know they can get away with it. Were Trump in office the whole "madman" strategy would keep them in line.
Not really. Iran did hit a U.S. base with ballistic missiles after he droned Soleimani. Iran also targeted the Abqaiq refinery (they deny it was them, it was the "Houthis" but it was the Iranians) which produces 50% of refined oil products or something like that, and Trump didn't do anything, and the Saudis were shocked.
So the Saudis and UAE started looking toward China because they didn't think we were holding up our end of the bargain. Trump's policy was also to apply maximum sanctions to crush Iran and then get a better deal, but the Iranians didn't budge, and then attacked our proxies and whacked us back. They also started seizing ships carrying oil out of the Gulf, because if they can't export oil then they're going to make it difficult for Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Kuwait to do it too.
We also seized an Iranian tanker for violating sanctions. That has been anchored off Texas for months, and started offloading the other day, which is an interesting development because buyers usually don't like to buy oil from a country that might retaliate against your assets. Maybe the Iranians are just making a show of displeasure at that.
There's just a game that's being played now, it's tit-for-tat, and the U.S. is sending warships into the Gulf to assure the UAE and Saudi Arabia that we're not asleep at the wheel. Qaani, the Quds Force commander, was recently in Iraq and apparently told the militias to back off from targeting Americans. So we'll see happens.
It's no good bringing up actual things that happened to Trumptards, they live in a land of delusion.
You absolute fucking cretins, the Abqaiq refinary was attacked in 2019, Soleimani got smoked in 2020. The death of Soleimni was a response to Iranian aggression, not the other way around.
In truth the response to Soleimani's death was pitiful, they sent a few missiles towards a US base that caused 0 fatalities, then got so paranoid they shot down a passenger airliner with mostly Iranians onbaord
Trump was also the president who began the tactic of seizing Iranian oil tankers
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-cargo-idUSKCN25A2AH
lefties are literally retarded.
You mean to say a leftist posted that?
bizarre revisionist history going on in this post.
deranged
>tear up Iran Nuclear Deal
>renew sanctions
>Iran now is producing enriched uranium at max capacity and full speed ahead
>US allies call Trump a retard and refuse to cooperate with sanctions
>Iran is neither economically crippled, nor hindered by any international oversight to produce nuclear weapons
Wow really genius geopolitic from the NYC trust fund baby. Let me guess, 4d chess amirite fellow kekistani?
True. On the other hand, Iran has been offered olive branches before, genuine offers, and their international conduct has been shitty and provocative. Without having the strength to truly get away with it. Yeah, their enemies are even worse, however, they have had opportunities to make well for themselves and pissed it away each and ever time. Its fucking sad, because had the Socialists and Communists won the Revolution, had the Soviets intervened their instead of Afghanistan, then when everything collapsed Iran would be doing fucking AMAZING right now.
As opposed to the president before him that gifted the mullahs millions of dollars in the nuclear deal to fund proxy wars and allowed our sailors to be taken hostage and humiliated on live TV? I don't think Trump's strategy was perfect but it was leagues ahead whatever the fuck Obama was doing.
Even now, the State Department and Europe are showering Iran in billions of dollars in hopes they start dealing in good faith. It's fucking China all over again.
*returned their previously frozen (stolen) money to them, and they were wise to insist upon cash since US foreign policy can't seem to survive any change in administration
>returned their previously frozen (stolen) money to them
That was literally the lawful thing to do, Obama was a play-by-the-rules and international-rules-based-order type of guy.
You're wondering why the professor of constitutional law didn't just say "fuck it, I'm keeping your money"?
moron Trump was an extremely soft and weak president in foreign affairs that regularly got stepped on. All he had going for him in that area was blowing himself up like he actually achieved something positive.
This, they're too stupid to know we're too smart to win and merely pretending to be losing on purpose
I wonder if you understand they kidnapped US sailors and Obama paid a ransom to get them back
>Obama paid
No he didn't you lying gay
Only because as usu8al he was frozen to the spot in a powerful demonstration of inaction (again). The Idunnuffin president. Literally.
>Lies
>Gets called out
>Seethes and deflects
As usual.
I am a different anon and posted this
I am not the other poster. I dislike polarised Republican/Democrat politics but Obama was the worst US president of my lifetime who's inaction when Assad used chemical weapons and refusal to supply Javelin to Ukraine ruined American credibility. he was an appeasement president and a shit one. You have to go to Carter to find another US president as lame.
Iran is a cornerstone military power in their region. Even though doing shit like this annoys the US and causes small international incidents, we know what we're getting with Iran. Wiping out their power structure would result in the current regime being replaced by something we don't know, which is a wildcard gamble.
Please try it.
It would be bigger embarassment than ukrainian war.
There would be no ground invasion. The shithole would just be raped back into the stoneage from above.
It would be glorious to watch on the news.
>thinking American military equipment/logistics and superior ability to wage conventional war are anything like Russia's
>It would be bigger embarrassment than ukrainian war.
Bigger embarrassment for Iran perhaps.
Wasn't that close to 10 years ago? How about 3 years ago when the US offed an Irani general and Iran retaliated by shooting down a Ukrainian passenger craft filled with Canadians?
Let's be sincere in this thread, gentlemen.
Cope thirdie
embarrassment for who?
Their goal is to brinkmanship right to that edge but not cross
>Do thirdies have the brainpower for that kind of hypothetical thinking?
Half of the Middle East is inbred, so probably not.
America won’t do shit because Nook
Iran doesn't have one
If Iran even has one, it can't deliver it anywhere further than Israel. And the schizos in charge of Israel would probably be happy to tank a nuke to the face if it led to a war that permanently cripples Iran.
Operation Praying Mantis 2, God please make it happen
>how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast yesterday
B-bb-but I did have breakfast anon.
>if we cared to kill them
US politicians are fearful of another adventure in the ME that would , which is why Iran can be so bullish. The Iranians have been laughing, the US spent trillions on removing Saddam and radicalizing the population of Iraq during the occupation/rebuilding, only to leave and for Iran step in and fill the vacuum, much to the chagrin of the Arab Gulf states. Iran is a more powerful regional power thanks to American missteps in the ME.
B-but the US lost Afghanistan, a US general publicly said so! The US lost the Iraqi war! The US wasn't even alone, it was all the west teaming up against a poor lone country!
LMFAO
The uniformed look at this and think it somehow embarrasses or lessens the US Navy or shows weakness that they didn't nothing about it. But really what are they supposed to do? Start a war over this? So the two options are start a war or what happened which is nothing. People are either clueless or diluted if they think these ships didn't have all their countermeasures hot, with their fingers on the trigger. If Iran's boats or drones posed an actual threat, meaning they were actually about to attack, these ships would have erased them.
>But really what are they supposed to do? Start a war over this?
Yes
That's literally retarded.
So's your mum, but you don't see me complaining at 3 am.
>weak comebacks
pathetic
Counterpoint - 4 decades if this incessant coddling is what has emboldened Iran and Russia. If the USA started sinking boats and vaporizing Russian aircraft when they act retarded they would stop doing it.
Instead you now also have China playing the same retarded games.
Yeah, they more or less operate on the values they espouse. Once they figure out that they can take that inch they'll keep taking it over and over again with the soft handed approach. On the force spectrum the wall shifted too far away and they're taking advantage of that due to their cultural values.
The US/NATO is currently vaporizing Russia boats and aircraft though? What the fuck is Iran going to do, down a drone and declare it a national holiday? Just laugh at them for being the pajeets of the Middle East
Should have sank everyone of those ships, you don't have to invade Iran to do this.
Wrong. Sinking those ships starts a war. Now you do have to invade Iran putting American lives at risk for no reason. You're suggesting Americans should die over an incident that had no effect on anything or anyone.
People are so hotheaded and hawkish nowadays.
>sinking their ships means we have to invade them
Said who? You realize that wars are conducted from the air and sea too, right? Not every war or military action needs troops on the ground.
nice projection
Kys zigger
I'm a us veteran and literally said these two USN ships would have erased the Iranian garbage if needed. Try again retard.
Me too, johnnoski smithovich from virginia oblast am deeply concerned.
Pretending to be american is for mocking anti-americans but you're too retarded to understand that even after you're spoonfed
Very credible zigger, incredible performance, you deserve an oscar
>pretending to be retarded
whatever you say, retard
SAAAR!!!
(You)
Europeans pretend to be Americans while shitting on Americans pretending to be foreigners.
Truly, the peak duality of PrepHole.
That's an awful nice speedboat swarm you got there. Be a real shame if someone were to 30mm autocannon it.
do it already you american pussies
why? Iran hasn't done anything to waste the 30mm on them.
Soon, total Iranian Naval Death 2.0 soon
>What do you mean they sank half our navy??? We yelled 'Allah, you snack bar' as hard as we could!
Would be hilarious if that heli crash that killed 2 was just an accident
It was.
You know you can just google, right?
>The U.S. side suffered two casualties, the crew of a Marine Corps AH-1T Sea Cobra helicopter gunship. The Cobra, attached to USS Trenton, was flying reconnaissance from Wainwright and crashed sometime after dark about 15 miles (24 km) southwest of Abu Musa island.
To add:
>The bodies of the lost personnel were recovered by Navy divers in May, and the wreckage of the helicopter was raised later that month. Navy officials said it showed no sign of battle damage.
>do it already you american pussies
OK.
>Memorializing just how trivially easy it is for your leaders to get fucking vaporized by a drone they never knew existed.
>This will help morale
Lmao is this supposed to be a memorial or a fucking parody?
The absolute state of Iran
Being the gunner in the Cobra would be pretty fucking sick if that went hot. How many rounds do they carry for the chain gun?
I get and respect the Iranian attempt to put out positive propaganda (ie, aimed at your side being strong / courageous)…but don’t they cringe a little at seeing their motorboats with plastic civilian radios going after an aircraft carrier?
Anyway I like how the USN managed to put a woman on the comms. Both of them sounded very non-committed. The Iranian guy sounded especially nervous and wanting to be somewhere else lol.
The US has deployed warships because they say they want to stop Iran from seizing tankers.
But Iran only seizes or attempts to seize ships in retaliation to the US or others seizing Iranian tankers or tankers carrying Iranian oil. It's just tit for tat. Stop trying to seize Iranian tankers and Iran will stop doing the same.
The US cannot dominate the Persian Gulf's waters, and the faster US policymakers get that the better.
US policy in the Persian Gulf, East Med and Caucasus has become a convoluted mess due to different lobbies pushing their own agendas. This was the worst time to send warships to the Persian Gulf. Focus on genuine threats like China instead of inflated and artificial threats.
>The US cannot dominate the Persian Gulf's waters,
I mean the navy definitely could if it wanted to, speed boats and small drones aren't going to beat destroyers and aircraft carriers
>But Iran only seizes or attempts to seize ships in retaliation to the US or others seizing Iranian tankers or tankers carrying Iranian oil.
But US *wants* to seize Iranian ships on various pretexts. For violating sanctions, shipping weapons to Russia or other sanctioned parties, stuff like that.
>It's just tit for tat. Stop trying to seize Iranian tankers and Iran will stop doing the same.
US doesn't want to stop, and it *can* stop Iran.
Tit with no tat.
Guess where China gets a lot of its oil from, anon.
>The US cannot dominate the Persian Gulf's waters
They are though? This brinkmanship isn't happening off the coast of Florida or New York, it's happening in the Gulf of Persia five feet from Iran.
>The US cannot dominate the Persian Gulf's waters
Wanna bet?
>The US cannot dominate the Persian Gulf's waters
Anon last time Iran tried to say that outright and try to write the check to cash that claim, we sank like half their navy in a day, destroyed AA towers with helicopters (something regarded as a suicide mission and basically impossible) and humiliated Iran enough that they decided that the tanker war wasn't fun anymore.
We absolutely can break open the straight if we want. They are welcome to stress test this again at their own peril.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines_Flight_752
brief reminder
>mistake a passenger jet taking off from an international airport as a fucking cruise missile
I remember that shit. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic
Yes, brief reminder that only ones the IRGC pose a genuine threat are unarmed civillians.
have a nice day, you misbegotten turdie subhuman worshipping failure
What are we doing in the Gulf, anyway? Are we regime-changing Iran, or not? If not, leave them the fuck alone. Let Israel continue bombing their nuclear program, and if things ever get dicey with that I’m sure Israel will come running to let us know.
Also, why are we being gays towards the Saudis again? At some point we stopped being friends but I can’t remember where that point was. Surely it’s not over some journalist they’re pretending to care about.
The world needs the oil even if we don't. It is extremely gay, but we are ostensibly supposed to keep everyone from slaughtering each other over it.
>Also, why are we being gays towards the Saudis again?
Why does Jared Kuchner have $2bil from them?
The answer is probably related.
>At some point we stopped being friends but I can’t remember where that point was.
They started it I think. They realised that the whitehouse was up for sale at one point and got in on the action, I think everything that followed was kind of consequences for them getting to deep into US internal politics and picking sides and buying influence.
>Surely it’s not over some journalist they’re pretending to care about.
That doesn't help but given what they already do to women, minorities and now refugees and immigrants, it's probably not the real reason, no.
what were they supposed to do?
water hose them?
Is this the equivalent of IM NOT TOUCHING YOU when it comes to the Navy?
Closer to Russia's airspace violations with the Bears that they were doing for decades before they started to go extinct in the current shitshow in Ukraine.
I really wish they'd fuck around and find out.
looks like someone is asking to get an airliner shot down again
Somewhere out there this man is seething uncontrollably.
At this point, the seethe is the only thing keeping John Bolton alive. If he relaxed, he'd die of nitrogen narcosis.
The carrier crew treated it like a boat parade and was blaring entrance of the gladiators.
Source? I want to believe.
Wasn't this naval zerg rush strategy pretty much exactly what an American admiral used in some wargame simulation for the the theater? With remarkable success? I don't remember the details but that's exactly what this article reminded me of.
>Wasn't this naval zerg rush strategy pretty much exactly what an American admiral used in some wargame simulation for the the theater?
Kind of.
You're talking about the Millennium Challenge.
>With remarkable success?
That's controversial.
Many posters on PrepHole feel that the general in question (Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper) exploited the wargame rules in ways that would have no bearing on a real war.
He complained because the wargame master then rewrote some of the rules and ordered various actions to be taken by the sides, ostensibly so that they could exercise units that otherwise wouldn't do anything and explore outcomes for various things that would basically just "die" immediately and not get tested.
There's a lot of salt on both sides about it and PrepHole loves to derail whole threads.
I think this reflects the divided opinions of military enthusiasts in general.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
Yeah sounds about right, thanks for providing the reference. Seems like I was pretty fuzzy on a lot of the specifics.
>Many posters on PrepHole feel that the general in question (Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper) exploited the wargame rules in ways that would have no bearing on a real war.
His "exploitations" were him making up a bunch of shit that is physically impossible, like bicycle messengers travelling at light speed and every piece of shit boat like
carrying SCUDs and anti-ship missiles onboard capable of tanking carriers. The ones that didn't have that shit instead were used in kamikaze rushes where they aloha snackbar'd their opposing ships. He used his knowledge of standard tactics and procedures(many of which are classified and/or a real OPFOR would have no knowledge of to counter) and expressly played around them.
In short, he read the script, then afterwards changed his battle tactics to counter what was scripted to happen in the event, and refused to acknowledge any L's that OPFOR was expected to take(loss of communications and destabilization of the military's chain of command hierarchy through targeted strikes at the chain and active denial of communications methods/equipment destruction).
Van Riper was extremely salty at a previous wargame he'd been OPFOR for, because the wargame controller told him that his ballistic missiles had been destroyed as it was assumed the US would have the information advantage to accurately locate and destroy WMDs before they were effectively fielded(which is still potentially true, satellite ISR had tracked Saddam's tank formations a decade prior through multiple sandstorms in the area. Its effectiveness had only increased since then)
It sounds to me like the military just wanted a certain result from that challenge for political reasons
>It sounds to me like the military just wanted a certain result from that challenge for political reasons
That's certainly Van Riper's take on it.
The counter-argument is that they didn't want to waste all the money setting the exercise up by having it over in the first ten minutes and wouldn't learn anything knew if they didn't disallow the strategy that already won it.
They also had a lot of personal, ships and aircraft ready to do things and they wanted them to get a chance to practice doing them.
van ripper threw a fit when they just reset the game to try again, claiming that they were scripting the whole thing
but thats kind of the wrong lesson to pull from this, what do you expect everyone to do after he pulls out his teleporting fishing boats capable of firing a missile that weighted nearly as much as the boat?
everyone goes home, give van ripper a medal, and then leave a giant gaping hole in the calendar?
van ripper treated it like a game that he could win and that he was being punished for out thinking the system
but its not that kind of game, its a military exercise to exhaust all possible scenarios that might occur, the point isnt to beat the other side by flipping the board over
Also, Navy command was perfectly right in protesting that Van Ripper was a fucking moron who had his speed boats spawn camping on where BluFor was going to magically teleport into existence instead of staying at distance until local threats were eliminated since they didn't want to shut down a major shipping line that would be impacted if they sat at where an actual invasion fleet would.
What are Iran’s naval capabilities anyway?
>third world brown country swarms US warships with fucking speedboats
Anyone else getting serious Sentinelese bow and arrow vs helicopter vibes here?
Okay. Why?
T. America
Can't the USA put a stop to this by announcing that any Iranian vessel that enters X radius of a US ship is assumed to be initiating an attack on it and fire on them? Sink a few and they'll stop. It won't start a war, Iran is not foolish enough to attack the United States plus by our definition they would've "attacked" first by trying to breach our ships defensive perimeter.
>Can't the USA put a stop to this by announcing that any Iranian vessel that enters X radius of a US ship is assumed to be initiating an attack on it and fire on them?
desu: I assumed that warships operated that way normally, especially in the gulf.
I assume since they rocked up in speedboats they were hoping that the US would destroy them. Only for Iran to claim they were civilians.
Iran's fast torpedo boats are pretty obvious (if you can see them with a lookout anyway), I don't think you'd mistake civilian speedboats for them and civilian speedboats don't try to swarm warships either.
Anon is this supposed to be a torpedo boat? It looks like a fishing boat unironically.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peykaap_I-class_torpedo_boat
Recall that Iran not only has a conventional (small) Navy and Coast Guard but also has a naval branch of their Iranian Guard paramilitary and that most of its vessels are just up-gunned commercial type vessels (intentionally so as to be harder to detect/identify).
That worked out well for the Iraqi army retreating from Kuwait
Not advocating, just talking about the facts
Same for myself, I just mean that that it's an established strategy in that region with predictable results. They claimed (and still do) that this was a war crime and many of the victims here were civilians. Same shit, different decade
Tbf the tactic has merit when facing the calibre of threats that are common in that region. But when NATO/US rolls in with overwhelming force and godlike intelligence, its just a duckshoot.
>laughs at Iranian "torpedo boats"
For better or worse, the USN doesn't want to make it seem like they fired the first shot. It's not the first time they had to tolerate the Iranians chimping out over their presence in the gulf.
If you listen to the video you can hear the USN ship saying they are in international waters and doing freedom of navigation shit and the Iranians are just like
>you leave
>you land copter
>we shoot
>Iran strong
The rambling at the end of the video sounded exactly like picrel, too.
The US already assassinates top Iranian officials on their own turf without so much as an angry letter written and cucked their nuke program back into nonexistence, everyone knows they’re just the American equivalent of North Korea sabre rattling against Japan/South Korea.
>plus by our definition they would've "attacked" first
That's not how definitions work and that's not how freedom of navigation in international waters works.
Did the Iranians attack? no? congrats, you now understand the importance of the rules for Freedom of Navigation.
Unironically one of the very few good ideas in a post WWII trade/navigation policies. When the U.S. eventually stops being the worlds policeman these rights of innocent passage are one of the first things the multi-polarist bros are going to disassemble.
With a brrrt brrrt here, and a brrrt brrt there...here a brrrt, there a brrrt, everywhere a brrrt brrrt...
Also, according to Israel they’ve halted their enrichment program for the time being. I wonder what happened? Feeling the heat from the US perhaps? Technical problem?
There is one clip of 3 iranian boats sailing somewhat close to the LHD. The rest is just stock footage.
There's also a vid the Iranians took with a drone over the top of the LHC.
The captain should have gotten all non-essential personnel onto the flight deck to moon the drone
I wonder why Iran thinks it’s acceptable to have a navy consisting of motorboats? Maybe they figure they’ll never actually fight naval engagements and for the tanker war it’s good enough? Or maybe too much budget gets pocketed at various levels so motorboats is what they can have?
>I wonder why Iran thinks it’s acceptable to have a navy consisting of motorboats?
Read the thread, they have a real(ish) navy.
These guys are Republican Guard I think, they're just for harassing US warships because swarming semi-suicidal glass-cannon torpedo boats is kind of a counter to high value warships.
Fun fact: one of the Iranian Navy's four modern(ish) frigates was sunk in a storm... while it was in its home port.
Another one of the same class capsized in drydock while it was still under construction.
The incident occurred while another ship (the IRIS Konarak) was sharing the same drydock. It was undergoing repairs after being hit by an an anti-ship missile in a friendly fire incident during a training mission. The missile had been fired by the IRIS Jamaran, which was yet another member of that same class of frigate.
argentina tier
F-18s with SDB-IIs, LJDAMs, or Paveways are the counter to torpedo boats
>fast movers dropping guided bombs against fast moving boats
I think attack helos are a much better counter, an apache would take out a string of boats in the time an F16 lined up an attack run and they can still do it from far enough away not to be machine-gunned.
The LHC probably isn't in any danger if it wanted to destroy the boats before they got close, a destroyer is more vulnerable.
>apache
Sea Hawks would be what would be used I guess, they'd do too just with less style.
IMO it's better to destroy them as far out as possible, but seahawks or whatever with hellfires or APKWS works too.
FA-18s require a big carrier, not a little LHC but more importantly, can probably only engage one per run.
An attack helo could take them all out with guns or missiles/guided rockets really quickly. Fast Movers aren't the best answer to every question.
What's the difference between a guided hellfire missile and a APKWS guided rocket anyway?
I know the difference between a hellfire and a APKWS but the difference between rocket and missile is kind of blurry.
Attack chopper on the sea is risky business since if you're in missile range, they're potentially in missile range too and there's nothing to hid behind in the ocean and it's pretty easy to mount a MANPAD to a boat or even larger systems.
Krauthammer doesnt sound very gnomish to me anon
I think he's saying that the US state department are run by Smurfs.
An insider leaked a pic of their overlord too.
It would be worth remembering that the U.S once destroyed or disable 50% of Iran's navy in 8 hours.
of Iranian drones and speedboats swarming two US Navy ships
This is what happens to speedboat cucks in a shooting war.
isn't this the perfect scenario to use the otherwise useless LCS classes?
like, get all of them into a flotilla and start running over small boats while doing 40knts
US Navy chads should sink the iranian virgins
Are they trying to lose their ENTIRE fleet this time?
If Iran used say 50 boats to swarm an area around the ship and launched drones from the boats to attack the deck of the ships this would be a game changer as the ships defenses and personnel are trained for defense against other ships, missiles, and shells. The drone swarms could overwhelm the air defenses.
The could also use the drone to attack and down the attack helicopters, if they were smart.
Why would a carrier and its escorts allow 50 fishing boats to suddenly approach them during war time?
Why would an air defense system designed to handle cruise missiles and jet planes be unable to handle slow moving drones?
How would a drone small enough to fit on a fishing boat have a payload strong enough to knock a ship out of commission? You arent knocking a carrier, or even a destroyer, out of action with handheld grenades
Why would a carrier be so close to enemy port during wartime for that matter, since planes can fly out from a distance and fire missiles BVR
>be unable to handle slow moving drones?
If you pay attention to the war in Ukraine you see how effective the small drones are against tanks, bunkers, individuals, plus larger drones (not the big ones) are capable of taking down aircraft and air defense missile systems are not designed for small drones, and are far to expensive to use against mid and small drones. Iran can track the movement of carriers (large and medium) easily and just place dozens of boats in the path and let the carriers come to them and launch their drones if the attack helicopters show up. We are watching rapid changes in asymetric warfare accelerate and show large expensive equipment is vulnerable to small modern tech.
>how effective the small drones are against tanks
Are those warships with extensive ECM capabilities?