>donate to Ukraine. >be super effective. >orders come rolling in

>donate to Ukraine
>be super effective
>orders come rolling in
it's not that hard Saab

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    come rolling in
    They still wouldn't. There's no reason to buy an expensive F-16 in an age where everyone is in the process of replacing their F-16s with 5th gen.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That would mean earning something through merit and effort rather than having it be handed to you off the backs of a collective, something that the Euro bugbrain can't fathom or tolerate.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >merit and effort rather than having it be handed to you off the backs of a collective
      >Ironically how the f35 keeps getting chosen

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why do they keep choosing a plane that is both cheaper and not obsolete?
        The world wonders.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah bro, that's because they've been flying through Krasukha in Syria for years on end. F-35 is the best fighter avalible, cope and seethe on it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >no u

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Donate to Ukraine
    >Ukrainian missile fired by Swedish jet lands on Russian soil and kills babushka and her troupe of grandchildren.
    >WWIII begins

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OP is retarded but this post is even more retarded. Russia isn't starting WW3 with NATO when they can't even go to war with Ukraine without getting face fucked.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >donate to ukraine
    >it performs extremely shitty
    >reputation ruined and never sell anything
    >also ruskies invade because they realized that your air force consists of those shitty planes

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sometimes I wonder what the hell the Swedes did to this guy

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah bros just, like, half a billion dollars of shit away on some off chance it will result in orders

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Keep up the good fight, playful teasing anon! May this war conclude soon. Don't miss out, Saab.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who is an ovepriced F-16 supposed to appeal to? The Eurofighter I understand: you want an air superiority fighter, it's newer than the F-15, and the F-22 isn't for sale. Makes perfect sense. But with the Gripen you can't even buy them if you're third worlders on the American's shit list, like you can with the Rafale, because the Gripen'd engine is American and they'll just block the sale. Not even that niche exists. Seriously who the fuck is this thing for?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Seriously who the fuck is this thing for?
      People who live in an alternate universe where Israeli Lightnings got BTFO of Syria and the unit price never came down.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But even if you didn't want to buy the F-35 (for some reason, it would be retarded but let's pretend the country is retarded) why wouldn't you just buy an F-16 instead? So many have been produced that there will be spare parts for F-16s available long after all our grandkids have changed their genders and committed suicide and that doesn't even touch on the price.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          At that point, chances are you are just mentally ill and are gimping your own nation to spite America.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And then if your country has the 2 engine 'tism the F/A-18 is a thing. And that one even has a dedicated electronic warfare variant. Don't get me wrong, I love the way it looks and I'm glad it exists but as an actual product being offered for sale it's the definition of redundancy: the aircraft.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              God I fucking hope someone buys the bounie superbugs eith the cute lil weapon pod.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How would an airforce fair if they chose to just go straight Growler for air superiority? Don't need stealth if the enemy radar display js a solid color.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gripen also has tons of Bongloid systems, so Bongoloid can also block sales. Argentina was interested and Bongs told them to fuck off. That being said, Brits also prevented Spain selling used Mirage F1's to Argentina by threatening to terminate all joint programs with both Spain and France if sale goes thru. They also blocked sale FA-50 to Argentina. As result only realistic source for their fighters is China as Russians don't produce anything they can afford to keep operational.

      But even if you didn't want to buy the F-35 (for some reason, it would be retarded but let's pretend the country is retarded) why wouldn't you just buy an F-16 instead? So many have been produced that there will be spare parts for F-16s available long after all our grandkids have changed their genders and committed suicide and that doesn't even touch on the price.

      >why wouldn't you just buy an F-16 instead?
      Because your politics prevents you from buying American. Brazilians were pretty pissed off by NSA and CIA morons meddling in their internal affairs when they bought their Gripens.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was literally tailor made by swedes for use in Sweden. Jesus Christ this board is so fucking retarded at times.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Congrats retard, your service costs are now infinitely more expensive since your production is for one country with a moderate fleet.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The gripen is a (relativly) cheap anti russian fighter that does what it is supposed to do, we know saab is already developing something new and realistically their next fighter might be a collaboration with the brits.

          Anon pls the thing is cheap to operate, it literally has half the engines to maintain

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meanwhile, the f35 has about a 2:1 roi so it's essentially free for the US govt

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It would have been cool to see Gripen do well at that and be a big part of the last hurrah of 4th gen development. I just don't think it has enough over other options like the 16, it isn't cheap enough to edge in on the really light budget fighter niche that FA-50 seems to be cleaning up on, and now that F-35 has it's legs under it there's basically no market. Even if you need NATO but don't want American for some contrived reason, Rafale and EF have more momentum behind them.

            Good plane that just came in at the wrong time.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The SAAB CEO was crying about not making export sales.
        Everyone knows that unless your donation market is humongous, you need healthy exports to bring unit costs down.
        Retard

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Gripen is truly the worst thing to happen to the S*edish "military" since Poltova.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Swedes are fucking retards that would rather spend money to import muslims and morons to ruin their socialist ethnostate for no reason

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, let me explain this to you, real quick. The f-35 costs the same to get as the gripen. Anybody with a brain is getting the f-35. If not the f-35 because of politics, they are instead getting the rafael (if they want the best 4.5gen) or the korean fighter (if they want the cheapest).

    Furthermore, the Swedes only made the gripen in the first place because as a neutral country they did not want to rely on other countries to get fighter jets. Now that Sweden is a part of NATO, they have no reason not to get the f-35 themselves.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      imagine you wanted to buy a tv at costco
      >but you are not a member at costco
      >and the tv is only for gold level members, not even the regular basic members

      They are not getting the F-35. Not for decades.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except most of the key components are British or American. The Gripen uses F18 engines and American/German/British missiles.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The f-35 costs the same to get as the gripen.
      Cost of fighter is lot more than fly-away cost of the fighter. Shit like training equipment, maintenance equipment, weaponry, fuel, salaries for involved personnel and shit. Add in all costs, Gripen is probably cheaper to own and operate for its life cycle.

      https://i.imgur.com/eyeMtZQ.png

      Missiles are getting outdated, actually. We need articulating lasers to cover any attack angle.

      >EFG, please stop
      I doubt you can stop him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Add in all costs, Gripen is probably cheaper to own and operate for its life cycle.
        Nope, F-35 parts are cheap, F-35 training is readily available, and the maintenance cost per flight hour is nearing F-16 levels

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Stop lying. All data on F-35 flight hours has it pegged with F-15E.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All data on f-35 simulator costs shows it's cheaper to simulate than a gripen.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, the big long term cost advantage is that f-35 parts are going to be mass produced for thousands of aircraft

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >F-35 training is readily available,
          In a clients country prior to purchase? bro pls, building the training infrastructure is fighter sales usually takes at minimum couple years. You need simulators, fuck ton of other training aids, train instructors for actual maintenance, other support and flight crews.
          >maintenance cost per flight hour is nearing F-16 levels
          So, it almost twice as expensive to maintain as C/D Gripen. Fucking thing was originally designed be maintained by one or two professional mechanics and half dozen conscripts. When Sweden switched to professional military about decade ago, they kinda fucked up as they didn't even nearly enough maintenance personnel to run all their aircraft. They are restarting conscription as we speak because new millennium didn't bring the eternal peace end of Cold War was supposed to bring. It requires minimal support equipment on highway base operations.

          Gripen spare parts over a 50 year period are actually more expensive due to the tiny production run.

          >Gripen spare parts over a 50 year period are actually more expensive due to the tiny production run.
          Most expensive individual component to maintain is engine. Older Gripens share engine with legacy Hornets, Boeing T-7A, KAI T-50 series and HAL Tejas. E/F shares engine with Super Bug, KF-21 and HAL Tejas Mk2. It is also going to be used by HAL AMCA and HAL TEDBF, if those are completed prior to E/F Gripens run out of flight hours, given HAL's track record that might be the case.

          Gripen had an estimated MMH/FH (maintenance man hours / flight hours) rate of 10. So 10 hours of maintenance per flight hour.

          Meanwhile as of late august 2022, Lockheed Martin said that MMH/FH rates were 3.8 for the F-35A.

          Is that MMH/FH for older Gripens or E/F? Age of aircraft might be an issue for older Gripens at this point.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The 10 number was its operational design to my understanding but those numbers are 16 years old from what I can find, might be lower or higher

            Anyway I hope that SAABs next fighter is as kino as draken or tunnan, but might be asking for too much

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Gripen spare parts over a 50 year period are actually more expensive due to the tiny production run.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Gripen had an estimated MMH/FH (maintenance man hours / flight hours) rate of 10. So 10 hours of maintenance per flight hour.

        Meanwhile as of late august 2022, Lockheed Martin said that MMH/FH rates were 3.8 for the F-35A.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's down that low? i thought it was 6.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its 6, worth noting that you need one technician and 5 conscripts to service the gripen, not sure about the f35

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I checked some newer sources and his numbers seem correct. The 6 was average between all variants, the B and C are both around 7.5 and earlier this year the A earlier in January was around 4.8 with ongoing improvements through the year

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As of August 31st.

            Its higher for the B and C versions though.

            > On Aug. 31, Lockheed Martin said that MMH/FH rates were 3.8 for the F-35A, 7.7 for the F-35B, and 6.5 for the F-35C. The program ceiling is nine MMH/FH.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, my mistake. The 6 was all the variants, not the A

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sweden will not turn off your plane mid mission if the glowmorons aren't agreeing

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Saab should go back to making cars or resort to cheap trainers to compete with Korea.
    It’s an out of date airframe like the euro fighter and Rafael.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It’s an out of date airframe like the euro fighter and Rafael.
      You don't want to go there.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Both airframes are gen 4.5s.
        They are out of date. Not obsolete. But way behind the tech curve in terms of low observ/less ability to get and retain a lock, and optics/data link

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The rafa has meteor missiles, which are better than anything the f-35 has. The rafa also can carry nukes and probably has a better radar, sensors, etc.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The rafa has meteor missiles
            Bongs are paying for Meteor integration in F-35. IOC in 2025.
            >The rafa also can carry nukes
            So do F-35
            >has a better radar
            F-35 has bigger radar - 1200 compared to 800 TR modules

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Having a better radar isn't always a good thing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >having a shorter radar is a good thing

                This is quite the level of cope. Next you'll be telling me that we need integrated guns on everything because stealth means missiles are useless.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Missiles are getting outdated, actually. We need articulating lasers to cover any attack angle.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                EFG, please stop trying to win a LockMart contract.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Please sör, dø the needfül and buy the Gripen.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For some reason I feel the gripen is getting bullied more then it deserves and is actually a capable plane.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many times do we have to tell you that you cant just throw weapon systems at Ukraine and expect them to get some use out of them.
    You have to consider the logistics and training to support these systems.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally every American Prime has been doing the same

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >moar gibs for ukraine
    lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Removing Russians as a socioeconomic externality is a net win for the planet Earth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're too busy removing immigrants from ghettos for that.

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