does ukraine have anything to search for and fire upon submarines that are underwater

does ukraine have anything to search for and fire upon submarines that are underwater

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't worry about it.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If they want even those sunk, sounds like a good idea

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sunk or not, subs are maintenance heavy and there are far fewer submariners than sailors so they'll be running both the boats and crews down for routine, meaningless patrols. a really terrible idea

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        thats literally what subs do wtf

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I swear the moronation level on this board is just too too much.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it's a low effort thread made to spite the local /misc/ tourists, but I agree, it's too moronic even by our "kek on the commies" standard threads

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it's too moronic even by our "kek on the commies" standard threads

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They would need either their own warships with ASW suites or submarines to effectively combat Russian submarines in the Black Sea. ASW helicopters and maritime patrol aircraft can do some of the work but they'd have to be escorted by fighters or hug the coast in SAM range because of Russian fighters. Not an easy task.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      torpedo drones guided by a hardlink buoy it tows in its wake for communication with the operator. Surely superior western intel can point them to the rough areas the subs are patrolling in

      best part about downing the subs is ziggers will do anything in their power to deny they went missing while pretending nothing happened. While visual confirmation is hard to do as without active sonar mapping you can see whats on the seabed. Unlike aero photos from sats. So all subs would go down as "silent kills"

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's the neat part, they'll sink themselves.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If the US gave them the specific sound signatures and some captive gator torpedo mines it might work.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >captive gator torpedo mines
      In the age of sea glider drones, all ships are fricked. Sea gliders can cruise for months on battery power, are silent, and can carry sensors and a payload.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Baba-Yaga dropped depth charges

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If not, just repair HMCS Sackville's engines. Considering the level of competency displayed by the Russians, she should be more than adequate.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's a non-zero chance the BSF has already lost a submarine with all hands due to an operational accident, but they won't report it because it would mean the families of the sailors would be entitled to a dozen bags of cheetos

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      When the Moskva went down there were several reports of a kilo that had gone missing. But, due to how visible the Moskva loss was, any info about the kilo got lost in the noise. Never saw any confirmation that it finally checked in, just that it was overdue and vatnik command was trying to determine why they hadn't heard from it.

      So, it's entirely possible that a kilo went down in March or April 2022 and it was never reported. Normally I'd say it's a long stretch ... however, everything we've seen of this clown war since then demonstrates it's a "maybe" that can't be entirely discounted.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      does NATO not have SOSUS in the black sea?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pray tell how in the frick would the US Navy manage to hide the secret deployment of a network of passive sonars in an inland sea right under the noses of the Soviet Union?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >hide

          SOSUS hasn't been a secret for decades

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >how in the frick would the US Navy manage to hide the secret deployment of a network of passive sonars
          It just wouldn't be very hidden and would probably be deployed from Romanian or Bulgarian boats.
          Or Turkish for that matter, NATO might mean that yes, the US does have one and Russia might well know all about it and not be able to do anything about it because Turkey utterly dominates Black Sea navies.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      When the Moskva went down there were several reports of a kilo that had gone missing. But, due to how visible the Moskva loss was, any info about the kilo got lost in the noise. Never saw any confirmation that it finally checked in, just that it was overdue and vatnik command was trying to determine why they hadn't heard from it.

      So, it's entirely possible that a kilo went down in March or April 2022 and it was never reported. Normally I'd say it's a long stretch ... however, everything we've seen of this clown war since then demonstrates it's a "maybe" that can't be entirely discounted.

      intel sources inside Russia would have revealed it if it were true

      >hide

      SOSUS hasn't been a secret for decades

      the technology and network, no; the sensor locations, yes
      Russia actually has the best known seabed operations force in the world, as HI Sutton has been pointing out for quite some time

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia actually has the best known seabed operations force in the world
        Maybe I'm just moronic but doesn't that make them the worst seabed operations force in the world?

        the British Sea Kings are ancient, I don't think they have much ASW capability

        either way, land-based helicopters won't offer much in the way of ASW capability due to their limited range. there's a reason why aircraft MPAs have always been used for that.

        >the British Sea Kings are ancient, I don't think they have much ASW capability
        They were purpose made/fitted for ASW, these ones date from the Argie war and are absolutely being transferred as a form of recycling or dynamic disposal.
        They've had at least one or two modernisation phases though and allegedly refit as utility or SAR helos.

        https://i.imgur.com/1fui0eN.jpeg

        >does ukraine have anything to search for and fire upon submarines that are underwater
        wait for daytime, visually locate the submarine with satellite, navigate the drone with depth charge attached to the coordinates

        >wait for daytime
        That's an odd way to spell NATO ISR

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Should ship some Mark 46s and some beat up SH-60s to the Ukrainians. Without the A-50 hanging over their heads low altitude ASW patrols should be feasible. Have them string some passive sonar sensors behind a couple of fast boats and drop them into the black sea for a makeshift SOSUS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Without the A-50
      Haven't you heard? A-50 returned under own power and Patriot ass is in the ass

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Damn. The Army really hurt this mf, didn't they.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          buck broke him by every imaginable measure

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So to summarise what we can learn from this:
        >Ukraine is a useful model for air defence and most of the stuff the Russians fire at it gets shot down
        >Russian air defence is badly degraded/extremely limited
        >anti-air ambushes are a novel tactic that is far more complicated than it initially appears
        >At least one A-50 has been shot down over the course of this war and substantive evidence can be found to back Ukrainian claims on the matter
        >Whatever did manage to kill that one PATRIOT launcher a while back did not do it during one of the aforementioned anti-air ambushes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >that one patriot launcher
          It was either one of these mobile NASAMS or an RM-70 Vampyr

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Was russia not using their Kilos before?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They were used to fire cruise missiles at civilian targets in Odessa.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't Ukies make an anti-sub bombs?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't be surprised if a sea drone on the way to attack the surface fleet (again) accidentally catches a sub surfacing and YODO (you only detonate once) it.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sea drone with drop charges when?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Brits gave them a few Sea Kings, not sure if they were the ASW variant?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Saved me the effort

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Saved me the effort

      Officially they're SAR/CASEVAC fitted, that was in the announcement but a lot of articles directly list the transferred models as

      >Interestingly, as pointed out by our reader Niek van der Zande, on Dec. 21, 2022, one Sea King was noted on ADS-B over Germany during the delivery flight. It showed serial ZA166 and callsign URHO10. Based on the logs from Radarbox, it flew from Koksijde to Erfurt on that day. Provided the serial is correct, that was initially a Sea King HAS.5, an upgraded anti-submarine warfare version Sea King for the Royal Navy that was later stripped out of all the ASW gear for use as SAR aircraft and designated HU5 (Helicopter Utility).

      >The precise version, or versions, supplied to Ukraine have not been revealed, but the accompanying video shows one of the SAR models, the Sea King HU5 that was formerly operated by the U.K. Royal Navy until finally retired in 2016.

      >This transfer represented the first time that the UK provided manned aircraft to Ukraine, with unmanned aerial vehicles having been donated earlier. Although the Sea Kings were used primarily for anti-submarine warfare duties in Royal Navy service, for the Ukrainian Navy they are likely to be used for troop/cargo transport and for (combat) search and rescue.

      It's nearly always listed as the WS-61 though (just a few articles say HUF)

      The German announcements are a little less coy:
      >Germany will give Ukraine six Sikorsky Sea King anti-submarine warfare helicopters, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has announced. "[The Sikorsky] Sea King is a proven and powerful helicopter that will help Ukrainians in areas from reconnaissance over the Black Sea to transporting soldiers. This will be the first German delivery of this type," Pistorius said

      and:
      >Unlike the original helicopters of the American company Sikorsky, they are equipped with Rolls-Royce Gnome engines, a fully computerized flight control system, and a British anti-submarine warfare system.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the British Sea Kings are ancient, I don't think they have much ASW capability

        either way, land-based helicopters won't offer much in the way of ASW capability due to their limited range. there's a reason why aircraft MPAs have always been used for that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          as

          >Russia actually has the best known seabed operations force in the world
          Maybe I'm just moronic but doesn't that make them the worst seabed operations force in the world?

          [...]
          >the British Sea Kings are ancient, I don't think they have much ASW capability
          They were purpose made/fitted for ASW, these ones date from the Argie war and are absolutely being transferred as a form of recycling or dynamic disposal.
          They've had at least one or two modernisation phases though and allegedly refit as utility or SAR helos.

          [...]
          >wait for daytime
          That's an odd way to spell NATO ISR

          said the bong helo's are purpose built and unlike fixed wing they are more survivable in a contested environment because they can radar mask and notch quite easily if things get hot.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            as I said,
            >due to their limited range

            >Russia actually has the best known seabed operations force in the world
            Maybe I'm just moronic but doesn't that make them the worst seabed operations force in the world?

            [...]
            >the British Sea Kings are ancient, I don't think they have much ASW capability
            They were purpose made/fitted for ASW, these ones date from the Argie war and are absolutely being transferred as a form of recycling or dynamic disposal.
            They've had at least one or two modernisation phases though and allegedly refit as utility or SAR helos.

            [...]
            >wait for daytime
            That's an odd way to spell NATO ISR

            >transferred as a form of recycling or dynamic disposal.
            they were binned from RN service in 2018
            >They've had at least one or two modernisation phases though and allegedly refit as utility or SAR helos
            which involves removing the ASW equipment.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >which involves removing the ASW equipment
              The one pictured in

              https://i.imgur.com/KTYh0dG.jpeg

              [...]
              Officially they're SAR/CASEVAC fitted, that was in the announcement but a lot of articles directly list the transferred models as

              >Interestingly, as pointed out by our reader Niek van der Zande, on Dec. 21, 2022, one Sea King was noted on ADS-B over Germany during the delivery flight. It showed serial ZA166 and callsign URHO10. Based on the logs from Radarbox, it flew from Koksijde to Erfurt on that day. Provided the serial is correct, that was initially a Sea King HAS.5, an upgraded anti-submarine warfare version Sea King for the Royal Navy that was later stripped out of all the ASW gear for use as SAR aircraft and designated HU5 (Helicopter Utility).

              >The precise version, or versions, supplied to Ukraine have not been revealed, but the accompanying video shows one of the SAR models, the Sea King HU5 that was formerly operated by the U.K. Royal Navy until finally retired in 2016.

              >This transfer represented the first time that the UK provided manned aircraft to Ukraine, with unmanned aerial vehicles having been donated earlier. Although the Sea Kings were used primarily for anti-submarine warfare duties in Royal Navy service, for the Ukrainian Navy they are likely to be used for troop/cargo transport and for (combat) search and rescue.

              It's nearly always listed as the WS-61 though (just a few articles say HUF)

              The German announcements are a little less coy:
              >Germany will give Ukraine six Sikorsky Sea King anti-submarine warfare helicopters, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has announced. "[The Sikorsky] Sea King is a proven and powerful helicopter that will help Ukrainians in areas from reconnaissance over the Black Sea to transporting soldiers. This will be the first German delivery of this type," Pistorius said

              and:
              >Unlike the original helicopters of the American company Sikorsky, they are equipped with Rolls-Royce Gnome engines, a fully computerized flight control system, and a British anti-submarine warfare system.

              certainly was, the rest? Who knows. The UK says they could be used for SAR but I can't find a single quote where they say they're definitely not ASW.

              Germany doesn't even say that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick yeah Seaking.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ancientgay detected

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I heard you like mud uk ops

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i would genuinely not be surprised if one of these things stays surfaced for too long out of sheer laziness and eats a magura drone

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      fugg :DDDD

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this cannot be real

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah well, remember how marrying your first cousin a few generations in a row is really not a great idea?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah people always think you get the targaryens, but instead you get pakistan

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >does ukraine have anything to search for and fire upon submarines that are underwater
    wait for daytime, visually locate the submarine with satellite, navigate the drone with depth charge attached to the coordinates

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >does ukraine have anything to search for and fire upon submarines that are underwater

    ONLY if a foreign power not only gave it to them but also made sure it was actually used and used properly AND NOT sold on the black market.

    This is Ukraine after all

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >muh black market
      TZD vatBlack person

      >which involves removing the ASW equipment
      The one pictured in [...] certainly was, the rest? Who knows. The UK says they could be used for SAR but I can't find a single quote where they say they're definitely not ASW.

      Germany doesn't even say that.

      >I can't find a single quote where they say they're definitely not ASW.
      if they were claimed to be refit as utility or SAR helos that would involve removing the ASW gear

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >if they were claimed to be refit as utility or SAR helos that would involve removing the ASW gear
        Certainly but they never explicitly say that they're all SAR, we've just seen one that clearly is.
        And that's just UK, Germany hasn't said shit about how their ones were fit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >muh black market
      TZD vatBlack person

      [...]
      >I can't find a single quote where they say they're definitely not ASW.
      if they were claimed to be refit as utility or SAR helos that would involve removing the ASW gear

      You don't actually believe that the manlet is a straight shooter. No one does.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >You don't actually believe that the manlet is a straight shooter
        Is this a seethe about Macron?
        When did he get involved in UK and German ASW helos that may or may not all genuinely be refitted for SAR?
        Are you ok anon?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SLWT when?

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    somebodys should give them some asw helicopters.the board turned into new little india the last time russia lost a sub.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the board turned into new little india the last time russia lost a sub.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I enjoy these moments since there is nothing more honest than the anger of a zigger.perhaps its the lack of a functioning frontal lobe that affords them no restraint when it comes to anger.jap anon was so spot on when he called them white by accident.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >jap anon was so spot on when he called them white by accident.
          oh yeah
          that was a burn, that was

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >jap anon was so spot on when he called them white by accident.
          oh yeah
          that was a burn, that was

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I understand Marines but what’s wrong with American teachers?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >I understand Marines but what’s wrong with American teachers?
              ESL teachers across Asia have a bit of a rep as being either middle-aged loser sexpats or young party animals. Both get into different kinds of trouble.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              same as marines they have a reputation to frick

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The biggest threat to those subs is Russian maintenance.

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