Does this sign kill the gun carrier?

Does this sign even do anything? Like can I still concealed carry in a case like this? From what I gather, no gun signs don't carry the rule of law and for the most part, if you can concealed carry in these places until they ask you to leave for having a weapon. Then if you don't leave, then you are a trespassing and a criminal. Only reason I ask is because a grocery store I frequent recently put no gun signs up which seems moronic.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    depends on local/state laws, but generally you're right

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No? Why the frick would you think so?

      Oh you're a shill

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I live in a anti-gun state but have the "permission" to concealed carry. Only reason I was curious is because it seems so fricked that people / businesses even try to deter people from a right they already have. Imagine if that sign said "No asians" or "No tall people". It would never fly. But businesses around here abuse the frick out of the no guns signs to try and limit people even if it is a lie. I have seen a sign that was literally just a print out of text saying "No guns, knives, bats," Black text fricking comic sans font or whatever.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That's a really good "hello fellow PrepHoleers" pic you got there on your hard-drive specifically created for infiltrating this board.
          You people been trying for years but you're still too moronic and old to fit in right. KMS right now

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            actual sperg

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >That's a really good "hello fellow PrepHoleers"
            I have a better one.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Indeed that is a good one, anon

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Noooo don't shoot pedos
              Sounds like what a leftist pedo would say

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Noooo don't shoot pedos
                That's your take away from that post? How many levels of contrarianism are you on right now?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >KMS right now
            Knee slapper, anon. Knee slapper.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Frick off you autistic moron

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            meds, literally

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >he’s been on this board for years
            Yes you should “kms”

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Depending on the sign you can sue places.
          Like for instance if a public place has a "No cameras allowed" sign that doesn't have any law backing it up you can sue to have it taken down. Better yet get tresspassed from public property for filming and then sue.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Only reason I was curious is because it seems so fricked that people / businesses even try to deter people from a right they already have
          No, it's not a right you have federally anon. You have the right to carry, but that's not a Protected Class. In general "protected class" involves things people DON'T have a choice about. Ie, gender, or as you say race. At least for now we can't just morph into alternate bodies at a whim, and any business that serves the general public needs to accomodate those.

          But businesses in general are perfectly free to discriminate against anything else unless there is a state law to the contrary. They can say "no shirt no shoes no business", and they can say "no guns". Or "no slingshots" or "no guitars" for that matter, maybe the owner really hates the guitar. Such things may be stupid and bad for business but it's legal unless your state says otherwise (some states specifically give gun carriers extra rights there).

          Private property owners (including truly and fully private clubs) aren't even as restricted as that and can generally set whatever conditions they want including outright discrimination.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Being fat is a choice but for some reason I'm not allowed to fire all my fat employees.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Being fat is a choice but for some reason I'm not allowed to fire all my fat employees.
              Being fat isn't a choice for everyone, only for some, just like there is type 1 and type 2 diabetes. Also employment law is a completely different thing vs protected classes and members of the public and if you are really a manager and don't know that jesus. Do you even know if your business is in an at-will state or not? I'd find shit like that out or at least ask my lawyer, same as I do for any serious tenant issues.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Being fat isn't a choice for everyone, only for some
                Wrong

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Being fat is gay and all
                But most people are fat and obese because there is poison in our foods fricking up their hormones and causing them to hold on to way more fat
                This is an undeniable scientific fact.
                People love to blame obesity on people but its very much caused by big pharma and the food industry.
                Many diseases other than obesity can be directly linked to certain foods that are pushed by our government and lobbyists in the food industry.
                Cancer diabetes and many other diseases are only western diseases caused by the poisonous food we consume in our societies.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >But most people are fat and obese because there is poison in our foods fricking up their hormones and causing them to hold on to way more fat
                >This is an undeniable scientific fact.
                I do completely agree but you still able to be not fat

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Food cannot enter your body without your consent.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Goyslop is the real reason people are obese.
                There is a large amount of scientific evidence suggesting that the reason people get fat is not just cause they eat too much
                The main reason americans get fat is that they are eating poisonous goyslop
                You can stay thin on a goyslop diet that makes you grow breasts and cancer but you still wil die early and you will live life feeling starved.
                You are no better off than the person who is obese from the goysop
                If you are not eating a diet devoid of sugar and processed carbs you will die early. Simple as.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                stubby sausage fingers typed this post.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                burger addict fingers typed this post
                You can try to defend your goyslop all you want but it won't ever work
                The only reason anyone would try to deflect the blame for obesity away from goyslop food corps is that they are themselves a israelite.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why haven’t you posted body yet?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                cause i am not gay or moronic like you

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >oink oink oink
                Sorry did you say something? Not even once did you deny not being fat

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                oh no he called me fat!!! Now I absolutely must post pictures of myself
                you're gay and a Black person now have a nice day
                Post body for me to coom Black person

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >t triggered fatty

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                My favorite thing about the guys ranting the hardest about how they cannot avoid HFCS or how seed oils kill.your testoterone is when you ask them for something like a simple marinade or rub they use to make chicken breasts more palatable, you usually get nothing but an incredulous stare and insistence that no one has time for that shit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because fats want an excuse. They don’t want to admit it’s their responsibility and they failed.

                Seed oils are awful for you and our food is poisonous by design. But that’s even more reason you should take more responsibility for your health

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Food cannot enter your body without your consent.
                But what happens to the food after it enters your body has nothing to do with your consent moron. Two people can eat identical calories and end up with extremely different weights. Even ignoring all the plastic feminizing shit and so on flooded at us 24/7.

                But none of this has a single fricking thing to do with public accomadations so you're still a fricking moron. In some states/countries you can't fire someone for being fat because YOU CAN'T FIRE THEM AT ALL for anything short of not just failing at their job but doing so repeatedly and failing to follow some action plan and on top of that you have to pay them a huge severence. Or in some union environments just have to keep them on forever and shuffle them somewhere they can't do much harm. Those places fricking suck and tend to create two-tiered employment markets and sap innovation but it's a thing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Black person I am skinny as shit
                But its a scientific fact that hormones play a major role in how much you hold onto fat
                Fasting once a week is going to do less than taking testosterone and an anti estrogen pill.
                You're simply ignorant about why and how people actually get fat.
                Yes you can get thin by cutting calories
                But you can get thin without feeling starved by simply not eating goyslop.

                Calories in<calories out==lose weight
                Calories in>calories out==gain weight
                can't frick with thermodynamics my dude it is literally that simple

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >t. failed to graduate highschool in 4 years
                Thanks for illustrating why we end up with laws and can't just handle everything as intelligent educated adults.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                CICO works for everyone. It really is that simple. The calories out are different for different people but the method is the same. If I’m wrong, show me one person who has gained wait while on a caloric deficit

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It really is that simple.
                While technically correct, you basically just said the trick to being a good boxer is as simple as hitting the other guy more than he hits you. Like no shit, coach, any chance you want to explain the "how"? Lw Let me guess, I just got to really want it?

                Most people have zero access to tools that can tell them their calories out in a given day, and the body has an amazing capacity to limit that when it believes it's under famine conditions. So they're left in the no-mans-land of setting a calorie goal and hoping it's just under their calorie expenditure but no so low they're feeling like shit all day.

                Maybe they just go right for 1200 calories per day, but being constantly exhausted from too high a calorie deficit is absolutely shit for occupational, let alone athletic, performance. And that shit is not really feasible for year long time scales, so they have to move up at some point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                fatty cope

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just speaking from making weight, anon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >While technically correct
                Im not technically correct. I am correct. If I wasn’t you would have shown a single example of someone gaining weight in a caloric deficit.
                >any chance you want to explain the "how"? Lw Let me guess, I just got to really want it?
                Yes it’s really simple. Count calories. You can count right anon? Or have a calculator?
                >Most people have zero access to tools that can tell them their calories out in a given day
                Everyone has a smartphone and internet access and can approximate their TDEE. It’s accurate within 100 calories or so as long as you aren’t lying. If you still gain weight then drop down a little on your intake. The “problem” is fatties are liars with both underestimating consumption and overestimated exercise by about 50% for both. The New England journal of medicine did studies on that.

                Post body. Keep the thread alive and I’ll do the same when I’m home

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It’s accurate within 100 calories or so as long as you aren’t lying.
                Horse. Shit. I have no fricking clue how many calories I will expend in a given practice, because no practice looks exactly the same day to day. Same for a given weight training session unless you're homogenizing your rest periods.

                I will also tell you that unless you routinely cook exactly the same recipes with exactly the same servings, your calorie counting is off too, especially when you cook for others. And who the frick wants to do that level of autism for the rest of their life?

                I'll mewt you in the middle and tell you that people flagrantly overestimating input/output is easily solved, but unless you're homogenizing your meals and your workouts, you ain't within 100 calories estimate on either.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Horse. Shit
                They do for your BMR and you adjust for exercise dumbass. Are you really saying that people who strenuously exercise regularly are fat and can’t figure out food intake? It’s definitely not because people eat too much and don’t exercise. Noooo can’t be that.

                Post body

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you really saying that people who strenuously exercise regularly are fat and can’t figure out food intake?
                No, stop putting words in people's mouths. I'm saying you aren't estimating your calorie output within 100 calories daily on a damn TDEE estimator.

                > It’s definitely not because people eat too much and don’t exercise. Noooo can’t be that.
                Keep punching those strawmen, anon. It's like you want a reason to be angry on the internet.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Black person you said
                > I have no fricking clue how many calories I will expend in a given practice, because no practice looks exactly the same day to day.
                And then b***h when I bring up exercising? You literally did first. Yelling strawman strawman strawman doesn’t get you out of an argument. You denied CICO works and I asked to prove me wrong. You conceded and didn’t. Then you said TDEE doesn’t exist because people exercise. Then you b***h when exercise is mentioned.

                You also completely glossed over the idea of counting calories. Post body tubby

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you really saying that people who strenuously exercise regularly are fat and can’t figure out food intake?
                No, stop putting words in people's mouths. I'm saying you aren't estimating your calorie output within 100 calories daily on a damn TDEE estimator.

                > It’s definitely not because people eat too much and don’t exercise. Noooo can’t be that.
                Keep punching those strawmen, anon. It's like you want a reason to be angry on the internet.

                If you fast it is not possible to remain obese
                I do agree with you in the sense that people's appetites and diets are the primary factor in them becoming overweight or obese
                The real issue is that the US government does not regulate food like the EU does and as such we are eating high fructose corn syrup goy slop
                If you eat 2000 calories of steak you will be full the entire day, if you drink 2000 calories of hfcs juice you won't be
                The government was also infiltrated by lobbyists who actively seeked to hide this fact via the food pyramid
                No one was obese in the 1960s, why? Because society set people up to be healthy. In 2023 we set people up to be massive unhealthy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                In my opinion, it isn't much more complicated than sugar being ENORMOUSLY profitable. America has enough counterbalances that an unhealthy population is not a mortal detriment to its function

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Right, the margins on sugar are just too high
                The US government seems to not care about the health of it's population in any meaningful capacity
                I'm not saying we should have a sugar tax, but we could do things like clearly label products with added sugar (which would label about 3/4ths or more of the stuff in a grocery store)
                Clearly label natural foods, so on

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The real issue is that the US government does not regulate food like the EU does and as such we are eating high fructose corn syrup goy slop
                I completely agree. It’s much easier to stay at a healthy level of consumption if our food wasn’t poisoned and addictive by design. Seed oils are awful for you.

                That said, I stand by everything I said and you can remain thin if you give a damn and try.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Same for a given weight training session unles
                If you are a power/oly/bodybuilder lifter you can do the math right on the spot by converting joules expended moving the weight to calories and factoring in your BMR, it's not even pencil math

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If CICO is real, why don't bodybuilders just drink hot water to gain mass? Hot water is pure calories. Same with cold water being used for weight loss. If you want to argue thermodynamics, you should be able to rebut this.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You smug semantic prick just frick off back to r*ddit

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, so you can't defend your own argument. Typical.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > His mitochondria cannot use the vast heat differential in boiling water to power their synthesis of ATP

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                funny you should say that since drinking ice water is actually a legit technique used to speed weight loss by athletes
                however your general false equivalence is like babbys first day on Wikipedo, you are liek a chiuld
                >how girl get pragnent

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Two people can eat identical calories and end up with extremely different weights.
                No not really. Once you adjust for height and activity levels.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Two people can eat identical calories and end up with extremely different weights.
                Even if that was true (it's not, if a person could generate mass out of nowhere they'd be a multi trillionaire from people throwing money at them to research how their body is a free energy machine) the person who gains more weight from equal calories could simply eat less and be hungry.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Being fat isn't a choice for everyone
                It absolutely is. Fatties are fat because they don’t stop eating

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                tell it to the judge in the wrongful termination lawsuit not to /k/ lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Nice goalposts Black person. Getting heavy yet

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm not allowed to fire all my fat employees.
              God I wish we could. So far I’ve been able to avoid hiring any fat direct reports but man it’s tough

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        As a general rule, business owners can refuse your business for any reason or even no reason. Shops are also private property with an implied invitation, not public property.

        The ban also doesn't ban gun owners, merely guns. You can leave your guns at home or in the car.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >As a general rule, business owners can refuse your business for any reason or even no reason.
          Try refusing business to a black woman for "any reason" and tell us how that works out for you.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ok

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    they don’t call it concealed carry for nothing plus worse case you get trespassed

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      SO trespassing is basically, if they ask you to leave and you say no or whatever. However, if they ask and you actually do leave, then you aren't breaking the law?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        In many places yeah. But some states have specific laws allowing businesses to bar entry for anyone carrying a firearm. I know Arizona has one but its pretty toothless and according to their state troopers only carries a trespass charge. it might be worse in firmly anti gun states. Common consensus seems to be dont get caught like a dumb ass.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Essentially, yes
        As with many things legal, de-escalation is rewarded. If you're willing to walk away without ranting about your 2A rights, you're going to do better than the moron who pulls his gun out and starts brandishing when challenged.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          funny how little importance the constitution holds

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You have no right to do as you please on someone else's property. They can ask you to leave for any reason - looking like a moron (ie - you), for example.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              gov buildings are not private property

              anyways if only that sentiment was true
              sadly you are forced to let some people in

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Actually was asked to leave a mall because of this.

          It was literally not a big deal. And even the security guard admitted that their sign was small and out of the way.

          These signs, to be binding in public access establishments, should be mandated of a large size a uniform high visibility colors, and placed conspicuously.

          One of the best pro2A memes was from that shooting in Chattanooga IIRC where the “No Guns Allowed” sign was on the door to the recruiting station.

          Yeah…THAT worked!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The only way you can be charged with tresspassing is if you refuse to leave some place after being asked to leave.
        So basically all you have to do is leave when someone asks.
        If you return then they can press tresspassing charges on you and call the cops.
        Also the chances of getting called out for carrying is unlikely.
        I work all over Utah going to places with these signs up fixing their hardware often working above my head and even when my gat has been exposed I don't get shit. Its also Utah tho.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >if they ask and you actually do leave, then you aren't breaking the law?
        No, you trespassed when you broke the rules of the private establishment, which were publicly posted. You can still be ticketed or arrested depending on local laws.
        Typically you won't be if you leave when asked but the store owner would be well within their rights to just call the cops on the spot, or to bring a complaint later on if they find out you trespassed.
        I know of at least one gun range that did this to a well known jackass that didn't case their firearm and insisted on CCing it into the facility. the owner said
        >you been told
        >now you wait for the cops
        >you jackass
        and basically did a citizens arrest until they got there with a few of the other workers

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This is wrong
          If its a private company with signs up you are only trespassing if you refuse to leave after being asked to leave.
          If you get asked to leave and you leave you cannot be charged with trespassing.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You cannot be charged with trespassing simply because you carry a gun in a place with a no guns sign.
          You can be charged if you go onto federal property like USPS property while carrying cause its a federal crime. But only federal law enforcement have jurisdiction on USPS property.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Also, 99% of postal workers do not give nearly enough of a frick to even comment on it if you somehow manage to frick up and show your gun in a place you're not supposed to have it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          If a private store owner asks you to leave and then calls the cops on you. You don't even have to show your ID to the cops when they show up and all you have to do is leave. Its only the second time you come back after once being trespassed that you can be charged with trespassing. So for instance say I go into a whole foods that has a no guns sign and an employee sees I am carrying. They can call the cops on me and when the cops show up I don't have to even show ID unless the store owner or employee asked me to leave.
          If I am asked to leave and I leave and then another day come back THEN they can call the cops and have you trespassed
          Like if you shoplifted at a store and they told you to never come back without calling the cops. And then you go back to the store and they recognize you then they could call the cops and have you charged with trespass.
          Or if a bar 86s you and you go back anyway then you can be charged with trespass.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            nta but would be cautious as a rule in making generalist statements about things that can vary pretty wildly by state. like yeah there are universal basics from constitution/federal law but property stuff often gets real local. id always check locally if it mattered.

            tho like other anons say as practical matter you should not get caught if ccing properly. if its some actual security place with a millimeter wave scanner and metal detectors and shit then yeah maybe dont try to sneak that in.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yea IDK why I am trying to educate people on CCW laws. If you are carrying you should have researched the laws in your state well before starting.
              And you are right it varies wildly from state to state. Here in Utah its a crime to carry on mormon church property cause the homosexual LDS church lobbied the government to make it illegal to carry in their churches cause they want to have the chance to play the victim after someone shoots up one of their churches. Hell my parents LDS church got firebombed and you won't ever hear about that in the news. Black folk are gay too

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This is wrong
            If its a private company with signs up you are only trespassing if you refuse to leave after being asked to leave.
            If you get asked to leave and you leave you cannot be charged with trespassing.

            Maybe its different in your commonwealth country or whatever but I am speaking about the US of A and unless specified in law, you don't even need to see a sign to commit trespass, all you need to do is commit the act and that is that/
            like I said, most people will ask you to leave to be nice but they don't have to, not even a little bit
            https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/criminal-trespassing-law.html

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              This is just blatantly wrong. You can only get charged with trespass if you return to a PRIVATE place you have been asked to leave.
              Its important to know the difference between private and public property. The owner of private property can trespass you for essentially any reason but you will only be charged with trespass if you return after being trespassed.
              But in the case of public property there are different laws regarding the conduct of carrying on public property.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                he was clearly talking about private establishments moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Well then he is wrong. You have to be asked to leave and then return to be charged with trespassing in the US

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You have to be asked to leave and then return to be charged with trespassing in the US
                >you have to break the law and then come back to break the law to get charged
                kek you're adorable

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You are not breaking the law by being on other peoples property, because there is sometimes very little distinction between what is and isn't someones property, and who is and isn't allowed. It is a civil issue that gets resolved through civil action (Requesting someone to leave, or getting the cops to request them to leave).
                The only laws broken are if have been told and do not leave.

                Breaking and entering is against the law, and usually requires you to break into somewhere through non conventional access methods like through windows or breaking locks with intent.

                The few exceptions are states with castle doctrines, but those only apply to personal homes and not open front gardens for instance.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                LMAO Putting up a sign doesn't make it illegal for someone to carry on your property. Thats what you seem to not understand.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >LMAO Putting up a sign doesn't make it illegal for someone to carry on your property
                Sure it doesn't, unless you live in:
                Alaska
                Arizona
                Illinois
                Mississippi
                Minnesota
                Kansas
                Nebraska
                New Mexico
                North Carolina
                Ohio
                Oklahoma
                South Carolina
                Tennessee
                Texas
                Utah*
                Virginia*
                Wisconsin

                It's kind of hilarious how /k/ goes on so much about fuddlore then cheerfully passes on zoomielore instead. There is no fricking federal law on this except for federal property, so know your own area holy shit you stupid morons.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, those signs don't carry the force of law in Ohio, as has been discussed to death in this thread. Cite your sources anon, they're wrong and so are you.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >No, those signs don't carry the force of law in Ohio, as has been discussed to death in this thread. Cite your sources anon, they're wrong and so are you.
                Oh, Ohio Code is wrong huh?
                >(3)(a) Except as provided in division (C)(3)(b) of this section and section 2923.1214 of the Revised Code, the owner or person in control of private land or premises, and a private person or entity leasing land or premises owned by the state, the United States, or a political subdivision of the state or the United States, may post a sign in a conspicuous location on that land or on those premises prohibiting persons from carrying firearms or concealed firearms on or onto that land or those premises. Except as otherwise provided in this division, a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature is guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.
                >If a person knowingly violates a posted prohibition of the nature described in this division and the posted land or premises is a child day-care center, type A family day-care home, or type B family day-care home, unless the person is a licensee who resides in a type A family day-care home or type B family day-care home, the person is guilty of aggravated trespass in violation of section 2911.211 of the Revised Code. Except as otherwise provided in this division, the offender is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the person previously has been convicted of a violation of this division or of any offense of violence, if the weapon involved is a firearm that is either loaded or for which the offender has ammunition ready at hand, or if the weapon involved is dangerous ordnance, the offender is guilty of a felony of the fourth degree.
                There are exceptions too, for example landlords may not restrict tenants which is good. But outside of exemptions, well just read the fricking law anon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I mean seriously this is fricking hilarious. You say "discussed to death" yet not a single person actually went to "Ohio Revised Code, Title 29 Chapter 2923 Section 2923.126 | Duties of licensed individual" and just read it? FFS

                The big takeaway for OP or anyone else still reading should be: CHECK YOUR OWN ACTUAL STATE LAW DON'T FRICKING ASK RANDOM moronS ON THE INTERNET. In particular be cautious about people who have strong opinions on what the law SHOULD BE and confuse that with what the law ACTUALLY IS. I don't live in Ohio but have traveled through there and it's worth paying attention unless you plan to just transport under federal protection. But that requires having the gun locked up, not ccing it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Except as otherwise provided in this division, a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition
                How can you prove someone knowingly violated it? It’s impossible

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >How can you prove someone knowingly violated it? It’s impossible
                No anon, it's not, because these things have actual legal standards and tests. It's not by your moron dropout "common sense", it'll be by "reasonable person" standards and such.
                >hurrdurr akshualy i found sekrit reading of law that means no one can ever violate it so im innocent imma genius
                >t. every moron poorgay street thug ever
                You want to put it to the test though and find out how it goes in front of a court that has seen this a million times before go for it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >No anon, it's not, because these things have actual legal standards and tests
                Like what? Elaborate.
                >it'll be by "reasonable person" standards and such.
                Like what?

                >sorry I was looking at my phone when walking in
                >sorry I was looking inside
                >sorry I was looking at the handle
                >sorry I was looking at something to the side of the door
                Unless there is a video camera at eye level tracking your pupils you can’t prove it. A reasonable person would agree someone can easily not see a sign. Also if you continue to cling to your Ohio example, a fourth degree misdemeanor is a max of 30 days and a $250 fine. Some speeding tickets are worse. No one is going to go through the effort to prove you saw and disregarded the sign over that.

                Also can you not understand that people live in different states where this doesn’t apply?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No guns signs only have legal weight in VA if it’s somewhere you can’t carry anyways (public school, courthouse, etc.)
                Also stop with the r*ddit formatting you look like a homosexual.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                that's not "reddit formatting", you dumb tourist.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Whatever moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >No guns signs only have legal weight in VA if it’s somewhere you can’t carry anyways (public school, courthouse, etc.)
                Hence why there's an asterisk on that one. Utah as well. Additionally penalties and shit can vary widely as well and I wasn't getting into any of that. In some places yeah technically it has the force of law but is just a slap on the wrist if you aren't a gigagay.

                The point was just that people need to care about local, not national for most property rights stuff. Trespassing, hunting, water rights, wood harvesting and tree removal, well drilling, building, on and on, almost everything important associated with property is local. One thing I've noticed about the internet age is people have gotten way more nationalized and often don't pay attention to their villages or states as much. Which is a huge mistake, since often those have way more direct impact on our lives and also are easier for us to affect.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You are wrong about Utah. The signs aren't enforced by law in Utah. Your probably wrong about it all considering that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                see

                >No guns signs only have legal weight in VA if it’s somewhere you can’t carry anyways (public school, courthouse, etc.)
                Hence why there's an asterisk on that one. Utah as well. Additionally penalties and shit can vary widely as well and I wasn't getting into any of that. In some places yeah technically it has the force of law but is just a slap on the wrist if you aren't a gigagay.

                The point was just that people need to care about local, not national for most property rights stuff. Trespassing, hunting, water rights, wood harvesting and tree removal, well drilling, building, on and on, almost everything important associated with property is local. One thing I've noticed about the internet age is people have gotten way more nationalized and often don't pay attention to their villages or states as much. Which is a huge mistake, since often those have way more direct impact on our lives and also are easier for us to affect.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yea even before my state had constitutional carry I carried without a permit. The charge for getting caught carrying without a permit was a misdemenor so you don't even lose your gun rights. I was more than willing to risk the unlikely misdemeanor in order to be armed. And the only time I ever interact with cops is if I get pulled over in my car and it was legal to carry in your car back before constitutional carry.
                Now that we have constitutional carry none of that matters but I still carry in places that are technically illegal in Utah like mormon property and postal service property.
                Its nearly impossible to get in trouble for carrying unless you are breaking other laws or are printing. If its concealed its concealed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Being asked to leave isn't breaking the law. Carrying a gun on someones private property even tho they have a sign up isn't against the law. There is no law backing up their sign so you aren't breaking any law only their rules.
                If you brake an establishments rules they can kick you out and if you return THEN you can be charged with trespassing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you have to break the law and then come back to break the law to get charged
                In a public location or business, yes, that's how they typically do it. Do you think you're under threat of being arrested everytime you enter a grocery store?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Post statute showing otherwise

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                literally posted above lol for ohio where is your response? yeah there are tons of states where gun owners are protected by state law but theres a solid number they aint. you ask for statute you get it then everyone just ignores it and goes back to pretend land

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah there are tons of states where gun owners are protected by state law
                You answered your own question dipshit. Ever think that maybe the people live in those states?

                Also see

                >Except as otherwise provided in this division, a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition
                How can you prove someone knowingly violated it? It’s impossible

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You ever think that they don't and instead make broad generalist claims about the entirety of the nation with no note of "oh this can vary by state"? Because that's what they've been doing.

                >No anon, it's not, because these things have actual legal standards and tests
                Like what? Elaborate.
                >it'll be by "reasonable person" standards and such.
                Like what?

                >sorry I was looking at my phone when walking in
                >sorry I was looking inside
                >sorry I was looking at the handle
                >sorry I was looking at something to the side of the door
                Unless there is a video camera at eye level tracking your pupils you can’t prove it. A reasonable person would agree someone can easily not see a sign. Also if you continue to cling to your Ohio example, a fourth degree misdemeanor is a max of 30 days and a $250 fine. Some speeding tickets are worse. No one is going to go through the effort to prove you saw and disregarded the sign over that.

                Also can you not understand that people live in different states where this doesn’t apply?

                >I have absolutely zero clue about how law works.
                lol. There have been laws with flat out mens rea from the founding of this country and before, successfully enforced. Anyway though believe you've found the magic code to evade the law if you want. Not like it'll ever probably matter, and if it does then it's not us you'll be telling your crackpot bullshit to anyway.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Complete non answer. Fantastic job. Throwing out an amateur term to make you seem smart like others don’t know that means intent. How would you intend to prove mens rea? Since you’re acting like the legal gay here, show us.

                This isn’t blowing through a stop sign. Those are big, bright, and you are expected to look for them. No carry signs, are often placed off to the side, out of the way, and patrons are not expected or obligated to look for them.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >you don't even need to see a sign to commit trespass, all you need to do is commit the act and that is that/
              That doesn’t apply to businesses that are open to the public you smoothbrain.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >>you jackass
          >and basically did a citizens arrest until they got there with a few of the other workers
          I’ll take things that never happened for $500.

          If someone is preventing your from leaving, especially after telling you to leave, that’s an abduction or unlawful imprisonment. Both are far more serious crimes than trespass (which isn’t even happening in your fake and gay scenario). Imagine having a gun, being held against your will, and doing nothing. Ok. Sure. Definitely happened

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          MO law explicitly states it's not trespassing until they tell you, specifically, to leave no matter what's posted.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >basically did a citizens arrest until they got there with a few of the other workers
          They lied to you, anon. If they had held someone against their will without witnessing a forceable felony (it is very unlikely that illegally concealing a weapon qualifies), depending on the state, they just commited illegal detention or unlawful restraint, both likely felonies if done at gunpoint.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >gets arrested for defiant trespass
        >loses gun rights

        GG

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they will ask you to leave. if you just leave, you're fine. if you throw a fit and try to end up on youtube and in jail, you will

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >they will ask you to leave. if you just leave, you're fine. if you throw a fit and try to end up on youtube and in jail, you will
          in some states, a posted sign on the door counts as a first warning and you will be charged with trespassing regardless

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >However, if they ask and you actually do leave, then you aren't breaking the law?
        Pretty much

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is the correct answer. Came here to post this.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I personally carry everywhere.

    If I need it and blow some jigaboo’s peanut head open, then I needed it and it doesn’t matter.

    If I don’t need it then no harm no foul.
    Not like it’s going to fall out of my pants and skid across the floor like some 1990s comedy movie.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yea I even carry into the post office in minecraft. Never gotten shit cause I never print.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You just reminded me of the most embarrassing thing ever that happened to me a couple weeks ago. I was at a party drinking and we're standing around laughing when I hear BOOM, and I look down and see my Glock 17 laying on the floor, and I only realized it didnt go off because my ears weren't ringing (There wasn't one in the chamber anyway). I have no idea how it hopped out my holster and fell out of my pants.

      Everyone stops and goes quiet and looks and I quickly pick it up and shove it back in my holster. A couple people give me dirty looks but I knew most of the people and they probably assumed I was carrying. It was highly embarrassing tho and it's hopefully the closest to an ND I'll ever get.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Could have been worse, I had a buddy who left his pistol in the bathroom at a grocery store when he was on break. He immedietly owned up to it and sought out the cop who picked it up. They ended up taking all his guns and he lost his job, but he got his guns back after a week or two with a slap on the wrist that amounted to bullshitting with the cops about guns. Said he spent more time arguing Mossberg over Remington than arguing why he should get them back, and this is in one of the most strict states in the country and in a different county

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          cops aren't your friend, they're trying to make you admit something that will put you in jail

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Same here

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What sign? I didn't see any sign.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is the real answer and legally is a good defense
      You didn't sign a waiver acknowledging you saw the sign and that you agree to abide by it

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That is not a legal sign. It has to have a white background and a black boarder. Otherwise it's not official

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't do anything in my state. All they can is ask you to leave and you immediately 360 and leave. If they want to be bigger buttholes they'll call the cops. If they're "cool" cops they'll just tell you need to leave and you leave.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >You immediately 360
      Wouldn't that put you facing the same way?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Old joke

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Signs? I carry even where it's illegal. If there's no metal detectors, concealed is concealed, and if there are I'm not fricking going there.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Concealed is concealed
    Alive is alive
    And dead is dead

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I CANT READ HIEROGLYPHS NOR DO I OWN A BERETTA SO NO I DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If the building you are carrying is a public building and it has no guns signs up and you carry in there then you could be charged. Like the postal service. You aren't even technically allowed to have a gun in your car on USPS property.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just refuse to spend any money anywhere that has a sign like that and I don't even carry.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >no gun signs don't carry the rule of law
    Depends on the state and if it is a proper sign.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >30.06
      heh

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      texas is pretty shit for gun laws.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah people forget that Texas had (and still has) a whole host of weapon laws with roots dating back to the 1800s to keep bandits, slaves, and mexicans in line. To this day they adore the cowboy schtick and the core of cowboy businesses are wealthy ranchers that don't want the have-nots fricking with their shit.

        Are the signs actually legal though, because there's a ton of "You're breaking the law" style signs that pop up everywhere for all sorts of shit but they hold no actual value at all if you just say you didn't read it.

        Yup, as long as the proper signage is posted penalties for disobeying are in the penal code.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Well hat's just stupid because you can catch out regulars with it maliciously, it wont be as easy as that unless you live in some moronic state.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            There are some accompanying laws for business owners like the signs have to be displayed conspicuously and without obstruction at the primary entrance. So they are hard to miss. You can also expect any business with over 50% revenue in alcohol sales to disallow firearms on the property so they can maintain their license to sell.
            Speaking of antiquated, there are still dry counties in Texas!

            • 1 year ago
              sage

              >there are still dry counties in Texas
              Tennessee says hello.
              The county in which the Jack Daniel's distillery is located is one of them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Are the signs actually legal though, because there's a ton of "You're breaking the law" style signs that pop up everywhere for all sorts of shit but they hold no actual value at all if you just say you didn't read it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Those specific signs are. They're generally given to places like schools or hospitals that are afforded special protections by law to enforce a ban on firearms.

    • 1 year ago
      sage

      >concealed handguns prohibited
      how tf they know if you are conceal carrying?
      that's the whole fkn point of conceal carry!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ideally they won't but expect it to show up in court if you get into a defensive shoot on the property.
        "Not only was poor little Timmy just asking for monetary support while clutching his emotional support knife when anon shot him. Anon was criminally trespassing on the property obviously with an attempt to execute someone!"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I always found it funny that penal code 30.06 refers to guns. Makes we wonder if that was intentional. Regardless it's never and will never stopped me

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It means the proprietor can prosecute you if it becomes relevant. Mostly its just virtue signalling though

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure a mass shooting was stopped because someone disregarded that sign

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Correct, that semi-recent shooting at the mall in Indiana. Mall had no gun signs, didn't stop some zoomer twink from coming in with an AR-15, and it didn't stop the Chad with the Glock who domed him. IIRC the mall thanked him and he obviously wasn't arrested for anything.

  16. 1 year ago
    sage

    >"no gun" signs don't carry the rule of law and for the most part
    In some jurisdictions, no. In others, yes.
    In my state, you can be trespassed by the business owner.
    But how would they know you have a gun if you conceal carry?
    Just don't ever go into a federal building with a firearm.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >israelite lie
    put down the fork and go for a jog, Whaley K. McFats

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Black person I am skinny as shit
      But its a scientific fact that hormones play a major role in how much you hold onto fat
      Fasting once a week is going to do less than taking testosterone and an anti estrogen pill.
      You're simply ignorant about why and how people actually get fat.
      Yes you can get thin by cutting calories
      But you can get thin without feeling starved by simply not eating goyslop.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Concealed carry laws are one of the every gun law that you should be ignoring

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This makes lawyers very happy.
    If you are injured by a crime of violence in such an establishment, they cannot deny that they bear full responsibility for your personal safety since they asserted their lawful authority to strip you of your right to lawfully keep and bear arms for self protection.

    This will be a growing field among Personal Injury JooShysters.

    Putting up a sign like this, while I respect and support, should entail a quadrupling in the establishment’s liability insurance premiums.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this sign even do anything?
    It's a bullshit sign like No shirt No shoes No service and You break it you buy it. None legally binding sign no matter how much they "recommend". Also those signs are usually found by shitty overpriced hipster joints, so I avoid automatically.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, in my state(SC) an establishment has to have the exact correct signage out front. Down to size, words and type of image it shows.

    Not many people know this and so 90% of the signs in the state are incorrect.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why do mass shootings always seem to happen in "gun free" zones?

    Don't mass shooters know that they can't have guns there?

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can't speak, nationally, but I'm in Illinois and state law is that any location that wants to prohibite concealed carrying in their premises needs to place one of these signs (there's a minimum size) in a conspicuous spot, near the entrance(s). Anyone who doesn't have whatever license the government grants to law enforcement and carries on the premises of guilty of a misdemeanor. If I recall correctly, first offense is something like a fine and a possible CC suspension, but the consequences increase for subsequent infractions. Given, if you're not an idiot, no one is going to catch you carrying and, if you're not an overly emotional buffoon, you're not going to draw unless it's an actual life-or-death situation, so you might consider taking the risk.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >gun signs don't carry the rule of law
    Generally true. They can demand you leave and to not do so would be trespassing, but the sign itself is as legally binding as my cum on a napkin for a signature

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Unless there's a metal detector, I'm taking my gun in there. My life will always be more important than cumsipping israelite virtue signaling.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw my job has metal detectors and some lady got fired a few years ago for leaving a gun in her purse and bringing it in the building

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this sign kill the gun carrier?
    No, it kills everyone else.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      show me the statistics of how many shootings have been prevented or stopped by someone with conceal carry

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Statistics are hard to find because the feds and media bury reporting of defensive gun uses. There was a mall foodcourt shooting stopped not too long ago by a guy who was conceal carrying despite the mall having one of the gay signs from OP pic.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Also, since "there could be CCWers here" is just a fact of life outside of gun-free zones, there's literally no telling how many times someone decided not to shoot up a place because of the risk of someone shooting back.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Also, since "there could be CCWers here"
            Someone more creative than me needs to do the pasta of “there could be Black folk here” with this. Could end with “with a gun, you can defend liberty anywhere” or something like that

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              “CCWers could be here” he thought, “This place isn’t a gun free zone, there could be CCWers anywhere.” The cool wind felt good against his effeminate chest. “I hate CCWers” he thought. Pumped ass kicks reverberated across his knock-off AirPods, making it pulsate even as $70 onions latte circulated through his weak, thin veins and washed away his (merited) fear of concealed weapons in broad daylight. “In a no gun zone you can kill whoever you want” he said to himself, out loud as he assembled his AR-15 in the school bathroom.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >the feds and media bury reporting of defensive gun use
          there is no monitoring or reporting on defensive gun use at all. there's barely any on offensive gun uses, the FBI stats are best described as "a pretty good guess" and are based on what police depys choose to share with them, there is no mandate, no standardization, and no consistency. New York refused to report its crime stats for a couple of years and threw the whole longitudinal data track off the rails.
          the only way defensive gun uses are shown is by some poor schlub at the NRA or some political shill firm running surveys and canvassing the news and taking a stab at a rough number and by rough I mean 1-2 orders of magnitude for possible error.

          You are not breaking the law by being on other peoples property, because there is sometimes very little distinction between what is and isn't someones property, and who is and isn't allowed. It is a civil issue that gets resolved through civil action (Requesting someone to leave, or getting the cops to request them to leave).
          The only laws broken are if have been told and do not leave.

          Breaking and entering is against the law, and usually requires you to break into somewhere through non conventional access methods like through windows or breaking locks with intent.

          The few exceptions are states with castle doctrines, but those only apply to personal homes and not open front gardens for instance.

          >You are not breaking the law by being on other peoples property, because there is sometimes very little distinction between what is and isn't someones property, and who is and isn't allowed. It is a civil issue
          holy shit I didn't know it was possible to be this wrong, you literally cannot be from the Etats-Unis because that is basically the opposite of the way it works here. if there is a sign up that says no go, you are trespassing the instant your balls breaks the plane. If there is no sign, your lawyer can convince most any judge to go easy on you

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have defended my home with only a machete, and I don't carry in public urban areas.

    I only pick up my rifle when it is time to kill or practice killing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      And by killing, I mean hogs, not people.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, I've walked into a lot of banks with a loaded gun

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Unless they search you at the door, you’re CONCEALED carrying. No one should even know you have a weapon on you. It’s also important to not have a big ego and de-escalate and back off from situations that might get you into scrutiny.

    It SHOULD be a very rare situation where you do draw your weapon in a grocery store.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you conceal it, they'll never know.
    If you ever need it, you'll be glad to have it. What's worse, a tresspassing charge, or being dead?

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Kind of sucks how supposedly pro gun people cuck out when the topic of letting multinational corporations ban people with ccw permits carrying in a public area comes up
    If every business were to do this there would be almost nowhere you could legally carry and your 2a right would be neutered

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >public area
      banks, stores, restaurants etc are not public areas, they're private property

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ok cuck, just let every private business ban firearms to appease their insurance overlords and then you can only carry in the dwindling public areas like sidewalks or forests

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not making a value statement about concealed carry. I'm just telling you that you don't know the meaning of the words you're saying.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Oh my apologies, I didn't know the word for an area open to the public that is also privately owned, that's what I was trying to get at

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They are public accomodations though, which might be what that other anon has half-heard of before. They do operate under more restrictions then a 100% private property (be it residential or a non-public business), and they do indeed have to serve the general public in specific ways. But in many states CCW doesn't count as a protected class, businesses can ban guns carried by private citizens (all states have exemptions for law enforcement officers).

        Rather then being mad the answer is to either move to a more protective state, or work to change your state's law to protect concealed carry. Read

        https://i.imgur.com/gc9g0ZG.jpg

        >LMAO Putting up a sign doesn't make it illegal for someone to carry on your property
        Sure it doesn't, unless you live in:
        Alaska
        Arizona
        Illinois
        Mississippi
        Minnesota
        Kansas
        Nebraska
        New Mexico
        North Carolina
        Ohio
        Oklahoma
        South Carolina
        Tennessee
        Texas
        Utah*
        Virginia*
        Wisconsin

        It's kind of hilarious how /k/ goes on so much about fuddlore then cheerfully passes on zoomielore instead. There is no fricking federal law on this except for federal property, so know your own area holy shit you stupid morons.

        , this isn't like 49 states out of 50 it's like a quarter and lots of them are quite red.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Kind of sucks how anti-government coercion people get all bent out of shape when they can't force themselves on other people's private property.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Right but as time goes on nearly all areas are privately owned
        Nearly all of those will be owned by a multinational corporation who bans firearms for optics and insurance
        Your carry permit will be useless because most people in the United States do not go to publicly owned areas regularly and do not stay in them while being in a car
        Your 2a right will be almost entirely limited to when you occasionally go to a park, take a walk to nowhere, or are sitting at home
        At that point the carry permit is near useless as you'll only be carrying a very small portion of your time
        What you need to realize is that if you attempt to be a libertarian, it will end with your entire life being dictated and controlled by multinational corporations like walmart

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This is absolute schizo bullshit you fricking moron.
          >Nearly all of those will be owned by a multinational corporation who bans firearms for optics and insurance
          No. MUH MULTINATIONAL is the new schizo bugaboo but they own a tiny percentage of property in the US and in terms of raw numbers most businesses are small/medium ones. And even the big corps care about profit, they aren't going to do shit for "optics and insurance" unless a cold eyed accountant calculates it's greater then the cost of lost customers. Further, a lot of state laws expressly remove any liability for a business or employer from people carrying on their property, same as state laws can protect people from liability for justified self-defense.

          As far as "optics" frankly that's an argument we actually need to win enough of the public one. If we become a tiny scary minority then no, our rights won't last forever. That's how it goes. You can't just run away from society and still want to be part of it.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Leave the gun in your car so a racemixed mutant can steal it and commit a bunch of crime with it

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My pocket carry holster makes it look like a wallet
    :^)

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    no, frick off homo

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    At my mandatory firearms safety course the instructor told us that basically if it's a government building you legally can not bring it inside.
    If it has a 'no guns allowed' sign, do whatever you want. If they find out you have a gun and ask you to leave you have to leave, because now you're trespassing.
    I don't think you needed to make a thread for this question that probably has been answered 10 million times

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Thread about gun free zone signs
    >Nearly 200 posts in
    >Half legal minutiae, half PrepHole autism and fatty cope
    never change /k/

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Every board should have a fph thread

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    In my state as long as you have a proper permit, you can carry anywhere that isn't a gov. building the most they can do is ask you to leave and if you comply they can't do anything, if you refuse then you can get a trespassing charge.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe they have metal detectors as well.

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