Does the Royal Navy need cruise missiles?

Specifically land attack, can't the Royal Navy just focus on sea lane protection?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/03/royal-navy-warships-gym-land-attack-missiles/

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >moron journalist unironically thinks that a dedicated AA destroyer design was supposed to put missiles where the gym was

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >dedicated AA destroyer design
      Surely no one was moronic enough to build a ship like that post 1945...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cope and seethe

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not him, but you are a dumb Black person
          ships with dedicated roles are frigates in modern time, destroyers are supposed to be bigger and generalized

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Surely, no one huffs as any fart as you do warriortard. !

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you're saying the Royal Navy isn't fit for purpose?

        How the frick are they going to defend a sea lane when they can't sink a rubber dinghy five miles off the coast of Dover?

        Probably sometime after several have been sunk they would go "Something something terrible tragedy some something lessons learned. New class to be lean and agile with half the numbers, half the armament and expected some time in the 2160s".

        kek

        Go and walk your fat dog you animal abuser

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          is that a euphemism for masturbation

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is. That's the place in the hull they left empty to fit them but never did.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not even a controversial scoop; this has been documented since the class was first built. They have a space capable of putting a vls in but have left it blank because it's not needed yet, so as a result its just used as a rec space. Astonishingly shit journalism here considering the class is basically 2 decades old

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >because it's not needed yet,
        Lies.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This nonironically reads like Vanik cope. Maybe everyone just forgot how to fight and we should just stop embarrassing ourselves as a species

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but have left it blank because it's not needed yet
        >yet
        the ship will most likely have to spend two years in dry dock and then do months of trials if they ever want to fit that system, any war will be over by then

        fricking moron

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >lets send these carriers to sea with no airplanes, we don't need 'em right now anyways

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This does happen you moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not by a real navy for actual operations.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes it does you obsessed moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When has a navy ever sent an Air craft carrier out on patrol without aircraft?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ahaha, we totally dont need weapons or planes to protect ourself!
        >we just sail around the world *sending clear messages*!
        thats all

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It has missiles.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It has missiles.
            what like 3 anti-air missiles or something?
            asters?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Just kys warriorfart

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Royal Navy still in the papers again screeching about lack of money even though they don't have enough crew to operate this shit any more

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >meanwhile they have more admirals than ships

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought they had to hire an admiral from LinkedIn.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes they did.
          https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-navy-job-linkedin-b2473868.html

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao do bongs really

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/YuicTaH.jpg

              Yes they did.
              https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-navy-job-linkedin-b2473868.html

              I'm not seeing the problem. Doesn't the US Army have an E-Sports division? Recruitment is recruitment, doesn't matter where people get interested

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The US Army is hiring Generals off the street with LinkedIn advertisements.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody is hiring anybody "off the streets".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                May we see it?
                >no

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It means that everyone below him is so incompetent they are forced to look outside. For an admiral.
                Imagine what that does to morale and people trying to make a career in the armed forces.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How does that even happen?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have you seen a good decision by a British leader in like the past 10 years?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, but I can't think of any other country that this could happen in. How is the British military so broken that they can't promote from within?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody wants to join because Brits in the armed forces have been quite outspoken about how terrible it is for a long time now. There's another scandal every week about a soldier being harassed or bullied until they commit suicide, the accomodation being genuinely dangerous or something else. Even the careers office aren't capable of lying their way through all the scandals. There also aren't any good incentives to justify joining because you know you'll be paid less than a civilian role while your living and working conditions are significantly worse.
                So pretty much anyone who applies gets hired and you end up reaching a point where they're all incompetent and you actually don't want to promote them because giving them responsibility is dangerous.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How do you fix this? It seems like you'd need to firstly make the military competitive with the private sector in recruitment by upping pay and benefits, but also it seems like if this really has been going on so long that it is affecting flag officer promotions that it would take decades to filter out all of these bad officers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're an idiot. For senior naval officers, the brain drain is because if you're a fleet officer you can go earn 300K a year sailing a billionaires yatch around, or if you're from operations you can go make 250K a year running logistics for Maersk.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, and $300k a year seems pretty reasonable for someone in charge of hundreds of millions of dollars of advanced weaponry and thousands of lives. Like we're talking about a country with almost the GDP of California, they can afford to pay their officers at a rate competitive to the Private Sector.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then why doesn't the US Navy have this problem? Or the French, or the Danes, or literally any other navy in the world?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Truthfully most officers aren't that bad but they're smart enough to know not to make the forces a career. It's much better to join, do your minimum term and leave after networking and getting good connections with engineering firms for example who will pay double but you'll be doing the exact same role just as a civilian contractor wearing a polo shirt.
                >What needs done
                Beyond me. Every single time there's a meeting to discuss people's problems it's always the same stuff. Not enough money, shit accomodation, shit food and too much focus on moronic things like diversity training. If you bring this up though then you always get the same response. "It's the navy it'll always be like that." Which of course gives no confidence to people who are on the fence about leaving.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't this the basic issue with all military recruitment now? Everyone is comfy earning good money working from home and nobody cares about their nation enough to have a dogshit career getting underpaid for high risk

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty much. Especially when governments are willing to openly insult their citizens both verbally and with terrible policies. There would need to be a significant societal shift for the military to become attractive again really.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So pretty much anyone who applies gets hired
                This is BS, the army at least is still really picky. Ive known guys who have been denied because of dry skin

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            homie what's wrong with hiring on LinkedIn? Its literally a recuitment website, hardly "social media".
            I worked in recruitment for ages, this is just boomer nonsense. If I was tasked with finding people LI is the first place I would advertise

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >What's wrong with having to hire an admiral off of LinkedIn because no one in your navy is able to be promoted

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                another anon said that

                [...]

                >Candidates must be a member of the reserves forces or have served within the regular forces
                So that's not even true.
                not saying there isn't a recruitment crisis, there is. Who the frick would join the armed forces? Why?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Candidates must be a member of the reserves forces or have served within the regular forces

                Yes because there are no active offcers within the navy capable of being promoted.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                HUGE IF TRUE!

                Link?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Here.
                https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-navy-job-linkedin-b2473868.html

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im asking for a link for
                >Yes because there are no active officers within the navy capable of being promoted.
                Because that reads like an assumption.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not big, because it's true everywhere. It's the problem facing the west. Nobody wants to be in the military, as the nation doesn't offer anything worth fighting for, the pay sucks, the danger is high, so why bother?
                It would be big if you could find a branch of a western military that doesn't have a staffing crisis

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We are posting in a template spam thread

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. I respond to these shill posts in the same basic way
                >provide proof

                Its very effective.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's an incredibly bad sign for a military if they don't have people to do such a significant role. The role is for director of submarines. By having to hire in such a way this says that either we don't have enough officers in the submarine service and if we promote them then we'd lose capability or our officers are so incapable that it's not safe to promote them. Despite that being an issue in itself, by advertising so publicly it lets your enemies know that you're spread incredibly thin.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does it say that? Or do you want it to say that?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, it doesn't need to explicitly state that on LinkedIn for someone to work it out. Militaries have very well defined career paths for promotion and if they have to recruit for a position from out with that career path then there are serious implications as to the current state of those who should have been considered for a promotion into that role.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >blah blah blah
                Simpler explanation:
                >be idiot in HR
                >new orders from the top, we need to work more on e-hiring
                >look at list of open positions
                >upload them all onto linkedin

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bait or moronic?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >explanation 1: the West has fallen
                >explanation 2: an HR frickup

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Admiral positions are handled by HR
                If that is the case it's even worse for the RN than I thought

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                positions are handled by HR
                Yes, like in every single other organization on the planet the top job also has to go through HR.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Director of submarines
                >Handled by HR
                Anon, do you even know how military promotions work in the UK? There is no HR. Your manager writes a report on your performance and this is passed onto a group of officers. They read through the reports and decide who is best and then a list is released naming all personnel who have been selected for promotion.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or.

                There is a list of open positions within the military

                And.

                A shitter tried to recruit for all the positions on the list.

                Wow

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're a literal moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, of course. A random shitter in RN just accidentally made a post trying to hire a director for the submarine service. Nevermind the fact that the Navy haven't been anywhere close to their workforce requirement for over a decade even though they've repeatedly lowered targets or that certain roles are missing a third of the people they require to function. This definitely has had no effect on the Navy and it's all to blame on one guy who made a post.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Occam's Razor, homosexual.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Occam's razor is an excuse for midwits to pretend like they know everything and it can all boil down to one single mistake. The world is not that simple. A wing doesn't fall off a plane mid flight just because someone fricked up maintenance, there are underlying reasons.
                It's far more likely that after years, decades even, of failed recruitment, bad management of personnel and low retention that cracks are finally starting to show. The cumulative act effect is far more applicable and is the accepted model for investigating accidents, incidents, issues, etc. It implies a series of frick ups took place which all lined up eventually leading to the current situation. Far more comprehensive than
                >um sweaty it was like just a mistake

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no no no it HAS to fit into my narrative

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Said the gay who is desperately trying to claim that it was just a little mistake by HR without an ounce of logic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this is a fair critique. What can I say anon, we're a struggling regional european power. The economy over here is fricked after brexit. We still have some potential to dig ourselves out but times is hard atm

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >regional european power
                non-bong hands wrote this

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nope, bongs know exactly what we are.
                You can't be from the UK and not see your own post-empire decline. It's what baffles me about the russians and indians and their seethe, like they actually believe the "perfiduous anglos" memes.
                The fact we have two aircraft carriers AT ALL and still make shit in defence and aerospace is miraculous to me. It's why I don't get all this "haha bongs aren't a superpower haha". Like, no homie, we aren't, how is any of this an L? We're basically non-gay France, and whilst it's flattering to be compared to the USA we're a rounding error by comparison

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nope, bongs know exactly what we are.
                Prove citizenship

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                erm, sure?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well only a british citizen could have first class stamps I'm convinced you aren't a pajeet.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him. He's right. As much as we shit post and spend our time chanting two world wars and one world cup, you'd be hard pressed to find a Brit these days that doesn't see his own country as a shit hole. Even as someone very patriotic, it's plain to see that we're just not significant on the world stage anymore. When our government practically have to bribe companies to list on the LSE to keep the countries numbers up, when everyone knows people who work full time but still can't afford basic human needs for their family, when people just shake their heads and say "another?" if they hear news about stabbings, murders, rapes. The only difference between extremely patriotic people and those who aren't is that patriotic Brits think there could still be a chance the country gets better.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't even get the patriotism. It's weird. Leave that shit to the yanks and the flag worshipping cuckery of it all. We can do a lot with a little, we have infinite morale in the face of danger, and the thing I like about us most is we don't take ourselves too seriously and can shit on ourselves funnier than other nations do. I HATE this defensive patriotic bong bullshit that's taken hold on PrepHole in the last couple of years. We had our time in the sun, and now we're able to peacefully ride the wave of seethe that it left behind.
                I mean frick me even our comedy is solely about tragic characters and underdogs.
                There's lots that's good about the UK, and much of it is military. The perfidious anglo shit is 100% real. Right now we are selling the USA their own Bradleys for fricks sake. Our fingers remain in all the pies. We brred top quality psychos who get bayonet kills in every war we fight in, we always win even when using the ropiest gear against the odds. Chin up anon. But the nationalism and the patriorism is all rather crass and weak in my mind. Even when we're in deep decline we can still dab on 90% of the countries that post here, no need to even allude to it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I definitely could have worded my post better so that's on me. When I describe British patriotism, I don't mean it in the American flag waving best country evar type shit. More in the luv me wife, luv me Stella, luv me queen Liz style of just being happy to be a Brit. While I know we still shit all over the majority of countries and they will always be seething just because three deanos with some cheap spirits is enough to overwhelm their police force on a night out. It is still sad to know that we're continuing to decline especially when Brits, like you said, can have infinite moral and do anything with anything. The problem being that everyone just got comfortable and that spirit that conquered the world for fun just went to sleep for most people.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                meh its all good mang. Go for a stroll in the country and a pint. Life is still good.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Life's still good
                >We still shit on 90% of countries

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >just focus on sea lane protection?
    As the Houthis are currently showing everyone, some really important sea lanes can be threatened well enough from dry land.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So you're saying the Royal Navy isn't fit for purpose?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They don’t favor land attack for whatever reason

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      money. they're fitted for MK41 cells where they could put tomahawks, ASROC, LRASM or SM-3s for ballistic missile defense. they could've just put MK41 cells instead of SYLVER and would've been able to fit anything they wanted but they're probably the biggest morons in the world when it comes to procurement so they installed special VLS that can only hold aster missiles.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fitted for but not with is the rallying cry of the royal navy

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek

      It's not even a controversial scoop; this has been documented since the class was first built. They have a space capable of putting a vls in but have left it blank because it's not needed yet, so as a result its just used as a rec space. Astonishingly shit journalism here considering the class is basically 2 decades old

      Seems like it's needed lmao. When would you say they would need it? When the war is started and missile production is already at capacity?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Probably sometime after several have been sunk they would go "Something something terrible tragedy some something lessons learned. New class to be lean and agile with half the numbers, half the armament and expected some time in the 2160s".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kek

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How the frick are they going to defend a sea lane when they can't sink a rubber dinghy five miles off the coast of Dover?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can a Tomahawk cruise missile target a rubber dinghy?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they can't sink a rubber dinghy five miles off the coast of Dover?
      They absolutely can do it, they're just cucked by the government and aren't allowed to blast the dirty bastards to hell

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With what missiles?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          With small arms fire and ramming you idiot, they're dingys, you don't need missiles

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ahh yes, the optics of "ramming" a boat of "migrants" in a nation that already has millions of said migrants in it

            im sure that would totally work

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's exactly why I said they are cucked into not being able to do it, learn to read

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no you implied that ramming was a possible offensive tactic, when its not and never will be and is about as realistic as saying "we could release sharks or something"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But anon it is a viable tactic against literal rubber dinghys

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              no you implied that ramming was a possible offensive tactic, when its not and never will be and is about as realistic as saying "we could release sharks or something"

              I love how you ignored his small arms comment because it completely ruins your argument

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yah, lmfao, because opening up on the migrant boats with deck cannons is is somehow MORE feasible than the ramming

                lmfao, I would truly love to see what a "ramming" by a warship would look like
                inevitably, the boat would be especially packed with the only women and chilren migrants they could find, and they would somehow be sucked into the screw and turned to chum, right before bbc/sky news eyes

                literally imagine the horror, the absolute shock

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          With the Martlet laser guided ASMs specifically designed to destroy small boats. Or you know maybe the fricking 4.5" autocannon

          Or if it was an actual ship not a tiny boat like a gaygammer they could use the Harpoon or Sea Venom AShMs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ahh yes, the optics of "ramming" a boat of "migrants" in a nation that already has millions of said migrants in it

      im sure that would totally work

      >/k/ immediately thinks of blowing them out of the water
      you don't need to do that

      >observation drones with IR cameras patrol seas, which they should be doing anyway to stop drug smuggling and russian spies
      >dinghy full of migrants detected
      >lifeguard boat stops them, tells them the seas are dangerous and brings them back to France
      >repeat endlessly until they realize it is impossible to cross the channel except legally
      problem solved

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gym where the TLAMs should go
    >female defense hack writing for the Telegraph

    do journos think a modern destroyer with fricking VLS tubes would use 1970s launcher tubes? iirc the Anglo-French VLS cells are long enough to potentially fit a TLAM but they never bothered trying to fit them because doctrinally since the 80s the RN fired TLAMs from Submarines and used naval air power for striking ships.

    Also to make the entire article even more fricking pointless the Type 26 and Type 31 frigates being built will have US Mk41 VLS cells for TLAMs, Harpoons, LRASM and whatever goodies the US can develop not to mention MBDA is trying to develop a hypersanic AShM/cruise missile to replace Storm Shadow and Exocet in British/French service. Stop reading panic trolling for boomers and third worlders who have the UK living rent free.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mk41 strike length VLS capable of fitting Tomahawks among other things.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also the US does the exact same thing of having AAW focused ships (Ticos for the US and T45 for the RN) loading up with a full load of SAMs and more general surface combatants (Burkes in USN and destroyer sized frigates for the RN)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ticos are multirole ships, Philippine Sea fired off some Tomahawks the other day.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sure but my point was more about the doctrine of their use as in many of their cells actually have any tomahawks loaded compared with a Burke? cruise missiles were being developed for Sylver from the start but this was considered something that didn't need an urgent stop gap like trying to jam a TLAM into it since both the RN and MN have submarines with cruise missiles and naval aviation to attack land targets.

          Also as mentioned the RN also planned ahead in making their now currently being built frigates have strike length Mk41 cells for this exact reason so that the ships with the massive air defense systems can focus on carrying SAMs and literally everything else in a SAG/CAG can focus on land targets. It's a flexible option to have if AAW ships have cruise missiles but its not like either of the navies lack things to blow up Houthi goat brothels with.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >cells actually have any tomahawks loaded compared with a Burke?
            As many as they need, since they are multirole ships.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >sure but my point was more about the doctrine of their use as in many of their cells actually have any tomahawks loaded compared with a Burke

            This is just non sense you are crafting. The reason Ticos carry more SAMS is because they can be quadpacked, and you don't need to carry 50 tomahawks on a single hull. This is not them being AAW ships, they are multi-role. The fact that the Type 35 doesn't have VLS capable of launching TLAMs is because the RN is broke, if they had the money they would have fit them.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Did I ever say Ticos couldn't fire TLAMs, Harpoons, ASROCs etc. ? the point is only a minor part of how they are actually used in a carrier group or how their magazine space is put to use.

              This reminds me of all the about recon IFVs with dismounts vs lightweight wheeled recon AFVs sperging from probably the same posters.

              >another military chooses a different doctrine and force structure to achieve broadly the same capability
              >this causes confusion among those on the spectrum

              but please explain how making sure guided missiles destroyers carry a few cruise missiles is vitally important capability that can't be replaced by spreading out land attack capability among SSNs, naval aviation and ASW hulls can't replace.

              >operating 2 different types of VLS cells just to use as a stop gap until next generation Sylver capable cruise missiles enter service
              >just letting other better suited assets fill that role for the time being

              wow I wonder what makes more sense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >SSNs, naval aviation and ASW hulls can't replace.
                Because they didn't replace it with those platforms (including the ones not yet in service), the RAF had to fly down from Cyprus to take part in the strike. And the RN was left providing "air defence" as usual.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its almost like naval assets take time to move into position and have NATO commitments because the RN doesn't usually have the bulk of its fleet in the chilling in the Red Sea meanwhile the RAF can airbridge an entire expeditionary air wing to Cyprus within 72H

                Even if the like 1 T45 that happened to be in Dubai at the time had cruise missiles they probably would have fired few if any of them compared with using land based aircraft which are always more cost effective and logistically easier than naval stuff.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >its almost like naval assets take time to move into position
                They had a ship in position somehow, just with not much to do. Other than that you write a lot of words that just say "the RN is poorly run and poorly funded, but that's good".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just shut the frick up already warriortard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                more the RN has always been a navy focused on NATO tasking and defending the north Atlantic that can't drop everything to bomb uppity arabs unless they invade the falklands and no amount of Mk41 cells will change that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More like everything has been cut, gapped, fitted for but not with, or assumed that we can just borrow somebody else's.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                every destroyer and cruiser is going to have at least a few tomahawks packed in. because there are times when a target of opportunity pops up on the other side of the world and you dont have a week to wait for a carrier or air group to arrive. you could use subs sure, but you only have a few of those and they don't have the deterrent effect that a warship off the coast has. people are more hesitent to do shit when they know there is a ship off the coast that can take them out in a couple hours. the type 45 was a disaster in procurement but they are rectifying it with the new ships getting MK41. another typically british thing is the QE carriers being fitted 'for but not with' defenses aside from some cheap phalanx they pulled off destroyers. imagine spending 5 billion on a carrier but deciding to save 5 million by not sticking some ESSM or RIM-116 launchers like the french and americans. royal navy procurement is insane.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >astute's don't even have VLS for their missiles

            oof

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the fact is they could've done what the royal navy sailors asked for and just installed MK41 instead of wasting money developing a special VLS that can't hold american weapons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but they never bothered trying to fit them because
      You're forgetting about VLS Storm Shadow. Nothing was ever finalised but was the long term proposal at the time, EEC etc.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MBDA is trying to develop a hypersanic AShM/cruise missile to replace Storm Shadow and Exocet
      but i thought hypersonic missiles were *cope* thirdie countries like Ruzzia and China used because they coudlnt into modern weapons, like civilized nato?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but i thought hypersonic missiles were *cope* thirdie countries like Ruzzia and China used because they coudlnt into modern weapons, like civilized nato?

        thinking they are a silver bullet against carriers and can't be smoked by ABMs is cope but that doesn't mean they aren't useful weapons especially for land attack. The US has 3 hypersonic projects and Britain/France/Italy have 1.

        >Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon which is going to enter service in the next year with the US Army (as a land based launcher) and the USN operating from SSGNs and finally give the Zumwalts their meme weapon after the railguns didn't work out
        >AGM-183 ARRW was an USAF program as an hypersonic maybe nuclear tipped cruise missile which has been cancelled not long ago
        >Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile remains in development for the USAF

        >FWOS/SPEAR 5 which is under development and expected to be in production by 2025 being used by the RAF, French Airforce, Marine Nationale, Royal Navy and Italian Navy.

        Essentially China and Russia have blown their loads making half baked Hypersonics like Kinzhal and now NATO is developing it for real. Mig-25 moment.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          every single thing you posted is an embarrassing collection of failed .jpg
          >planned
          >in development
          >expected 2035
          trash

          real diversity-moment

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you look like that picture? I want to have sex with you.ghdnjv

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm a curly haired twink but I'm not french (at least not nationally but ethnically partially) and I don't have a sailor suit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You sound cute. You can get a sailor suit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Let me kiss you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok. When I get kissed on the cheek it makes me smile and giggle. Same thing happened I wore cat ears and someone petted them: I had an uncontrollable reaction of contented giggles.

                You sound cute. You can get a sailor suit.

                A sailor suit is on my list of cute outfits to buy but I have other ones I want to get first.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's your discord?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Another day another Royal Navy L
    >fitted for but not active

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"extended readiness"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being British is just a never ending cavalcade of embarrassment.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why are you so obsessed with the brits?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All cardio equipment

    And I thought no gunz was a meme.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you seen what British men look like?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It absolutely needs them. The past 60 years proved beyond a shadow of doubt that multi role is the way to go.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      well the type 45 is specialised and is to be complemented with a bunch of multi role frigates due to enter service. It's hyper specialised on SAMs. I don't know what the dorks in the press are talking about but it's literally called an "air defence destroyer". It also costs a lot less than a Burke. I mean we'd be better off with a bunch of Burkes, which are probably the most based military vessels ever made, but we're also like twice the size of Texas so compromises have to be made, with cheaper ships that carry less ordinance

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    new frigates will be focused on land attack but not due to appear for a few more years

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_26_frigate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_31_frigate

    These are your land attack ships, the type 45 is a floating SAM station.

    It will be a while before the ships are in service and actually have their missiles because small poor island

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Cruise/Anti-Ship_Weapon
      >The latest timeline for the for the programme is that the assessment phase will be completed in 2024 and would move to the manufacturing phase from 2025 till 2035
      The UK is going to be a bit cucked for a few more years before all the new shit is in place. Luckily they don't have any enemies that aren't peasants so it should be okay

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Luckily they don't have any enemies that aren't peasants so it should be okay
        It kills me that anons dont get this. The British force design is to build a very small very capable military that can meme on poors who directly threaten UK interest's. Their swing role, completely secondary role, is to play a supporting role in a big war where America would take the lead.

        Its the first sensible policy to come out of Whitehall in a generation.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fartsniffer thread
    >Once again focused on bongs with the same cope
    >Doesn't understand specialisation and the risks involved with full load
    >Reee why is the RN using online recruitment tools to try and fill one gap reeee
    Lmao this thread is prime example time for newbies to learn about this moron shill.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What’s this his 4th or 5th thread today?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lmfao, the absolute trivial ferocity of the debooonkers will never NOT be hilarious

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can't they just park a HIMARS on the help pad if they really need that? Seems like an easy modular fix.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The British army doesn't even have enough M270s for its own needs, let alone handing some off to the Navy.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fact the treadmills aren't evenly spaced bothers me.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    british basterds need no weapons for they have lost their empire and are now losing everything

    vengence for the people they oppressed is coming

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >vengence for the people they oppressed is coming

      NO SAAR! Do not being firing the cannon. YOU PANCHOD BLOODY BASTARD. India will be a superpower 100 years from now.

      DO NOT REDEEM. DO NOT REDEE-

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Pretend to be an Indian
        >Reply to your own post, it
        >?
        >Profit

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick yous bloody much Mr Warriortard

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is gay erp the new British strategy for shutting down threads?

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