> “We actually end up seeing different results in different places, right. So while the Vinson had some corrosion that was surprising, at the same time what we saw on the Queen Elizabeth deployment was substantially less than anyone had ever imagined,” Fick said. “So we’re working to understand those things, to dig through them. We have folks working that with both the users and with Lockheed – the manufacturer – to try to understand the mechanisms, what might lead to the results that we saw differently on those two different platforms.”
> Some of the seals on the F-35Cs deployed aboard Vinson did not function as planned in the at-sea environment. Commander of Naval Air Forces and Naval Air Force Pacific Vice Adm. Kenneth Whitesell told USNI News last month that Lockheed Martin already had a design for new seals.
weird that it only fails in some cases and in some parts of the plane, maybe coating+salt+something
I'm going to go out on a limb and say ambient temperature, because that's generally the most significant variance you get across wide geographic areas and it always has a role to play in any given chemical reaction
Sea Water actively hates anything metal, by sea water's very nature. Any ship that spends long periods of time at sea, like American warships do, will rust. It would take non-feasible amounts of maintenance to keep a ship at a drydock quality finish while on a severeal month voyage
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Most of the airframe is composite if I remember right but only on the top and just underneath the cocokpit does the rust seem to show. The front gear leg, almost certainly metal, has not shwon any sides of corrosion, nor along the flanks.
https://i.imgur.com/Eya9xIw.jpg
looks like dirt
is not uniform either but corrosion is still present over most of the surfaces
They don't make planes out of steel, the structural components made from metal are all likely Al alloy and Ti alloy, neither of which will produce orange rust.
The rust we see on top is likely from ferrous materials inside of the RAM coating, if it affects the radar cross section it's not great because the RAM on the F-35 gets baked in at the factory and shouldn't require major maintenance.
It would mean that the RAM design would have to be adjusted.
> “We actually end up seeing different results in different places, right. So while the Vinson had some corrosion that was surprising, at the same time what we saw on the Queen Elizabeth deployment was substantially less than anyone had ever imagined,” Fick said. “So we’re working to understand those things, to dig through them. We have folks working that with both the users and with Lockheed – the manufacturer – to try to understand the mechanisms, what might lead to the results that we saw differently on those two different platforms.”
> Some of the seals on the F-35Cs deployed aboard Vinson did not function as planned in the at-sea environment. Commander of Naval Air Forces and Naval Air Force Pacific Vice Adm. Kenneth Whitesell told USNI News last month that Lockheed Martin already had a design for new seals.
>oh look it's this thread again
tl;dr yes that is rust but no it is not the airframe itself rusting
F-35s radar scattering finish is composed of iron-containing black magic with extremely fine surface imperfections that do the scattering. It's kind of like an atomic sandpaper. Yes, like any iron, it can rust, but it takes a while for the rust to build up sufficiently to significantly damper its purpose. When it does build up, the planes are stripped and refinished.
>extremely fine surface imperfections that do the scattering
Calling bullshit. Surface imperfections or even holes have little to no effect if they're smaller than about 1/4 of the wavelength. This is why satellite dishes and the door of your microwave can be made of mesh.
It might not love it, but a huge benefit of the F-35 over earlier stealth aircraft is that it doesn't rely on delicate coatings the same way. This makes using it on carriers way more feasible (in terms of still getting maximum performance) and makes maintainance less of an issue overall.
A big thing China got out of stealing basically all the F-35 data was information on this integrated stealth material. And, no shock, they use something similar on the J-31/J-35. The J-35, the carrier variant, will definitely benefit from this. Given the low production numbers of the J-15, it seems they also plan on having the J-35 be their main carrier work horse.
This sort of makes the Navy's case for rolling out more F-35s for the fleet. The F-18 was a fine bird for its time, but it faces some serious disadvantages in limited engagements in or near China's littoral, where it has to worry about copious air defenses, their large fleet of small stealth corvettes, ground based sensors, and competing against the J-35/31, J-20, and possibly munitions from the H-20 (China's B-21).
>A big thing China got out of stealing basically all the F-35 data was information on this integrated stealth materia
The F-35 data they got was mostly trashed/outdated designs. Which if the coating is part of the trashed/outdated designs this could be interesting.
>A big thing China got out of stealing basically all the F-35 data was information on this integrated stealth material
Do demoralized idiots still believe this?
>and they shoot down an F-15, expect a total meltdown on /k/
Yeah, from the thirdies who act like they just slayed God because the Kill:Loss ratio on a fighter is no longer 100+:0...never mind what happens when the ratio goes 200+:1 in the following fighting.
>Has no rust on the front
Odd, innit?
weird that it only fails in some cases and in some parts of the plane, maybe coating+salt+something
I'm going to go out on a limb and say ambient temperature, because that's generally the most significant variance you get across wide geographic areas and it always has a role to play in any given chemical reaction
check again .
Isn't the nose cone some sort of composite instead of metal?
Sea Water actively hates anything metal, by sea water's very nature. Any ship that spends long periods of time at sea, like American warships do, will rust. It would take non-feasible amounts of maintenance to keep a ship at a drydock quality finish while on a severeal month voyage
.
Most of the airframe is composite if I remember right but only on the top and just underneath the cocokpit does the rust seem to show. The front gear leg, almost certainly metal, has not shwon any sides of corrosion, nor along the flanks.
is not uniform either but corrosion is still present over most of the surfaces
They don't make planes out of steel, the structural components made from metal are all likely Al alloy and Ti alloy, neither of which will produce orange rust.
The rust we see on top is likely from ferrous materials inside of the RAM coating, if it affects the radar cross section it's not great because the RAM on the F-35 gets baked in at the factory and shouldn't require major maintenance.
It would mean that the RAM design would have to be adjusted.
What am I looking at here?
Sonar array inside submarine
> “We actually end up seeing different results in different places, right. So while the Vinson had some corrosion that was surprising, at the same time what we saw on the Queen Elizabeth deployment was substantially less than anyone had ever imagined,” Fick said. “So we’re working to understand those things, to dig through them. We have folks working that with both the users and with Lockheed – the manufacturer – to try to understand the mechanisms, what might lead to the results that we saw differently on those two different platforms.”
> Some of the seals on the F-35Cs deployed aboard Vinson did not function as planned in the at-sea environment. Commander of Naval Air Forces and Naval Air Force Pacific Vice Adm. Kenneth Whitesell told USNI News last month that Lockheed Martin already had a design for new seals.
Ethnicity of maintenance crews?
Shit happens, is what it is.
>oh look it's this thread again
tl;dr yes that is rust but no it is not the airframe itself rusting
F-35s radar scattering finish is composed of iron-containing black magic with extremely fine surface imperfections that do the scattering. It's kind of like an atomic sandpaper. Yes, like any iron, it can rust, but it takes a while for the rust to build up sufficiently to significantly damper its purpose. When it does build up, the planes are stripped and refinished.
>extremely fine surface imperfections that do the scattering
Calling bullshit. Surface imperfections or even holes have little to no effect if they're smaller than about 1/4 of the wavelength. This is why satellite dishes and the door of your microwave can be made of mesh.
>There is a distinct possibility that rusty F-35s will become a thing on aircraft carriers.
Holy kino, plane patina.
It might not love it, but a huge benefit of the F-35 over earlier stealth aircraft is that it doesn't rely on delicate coatings the same way. This makes using it on carriers way more feasible (in terms of still getting maximum performance) and makes maintainance less of an issue overall.
A big thing China got out of stealing basically all the F-35 data was information on this integrated stealth material. And, no shock, they use something similar on the J-31/J-35. The J-35, the carrier variant, will definitely benefit from this. Given the low production numbers of the J-15, it seems they also plan on having the J-35 be their main carrier work horse.
This sort of makes the Navy's case for rolling out more F-35s for the fleet. The F-18 was a fine bird for its time, but it faces some serious disadvantages in limited engagements in or near China's littoral, where it has to worry about copious air defenses, their large fleet of small stealth corvettes, ground based sensors, and competing against the J-35/31, J-20, and possibly munitions from the H-20 (China's B-21).
implessive
>A big thing China got out of stealing basically all the F-35 data was information on this integrated stealth materia
The F-35 data they got was mostly trashed/outdated designs. Which if the coating is part of the trashed/outdated designs this could be interesting.
>A big thing China got out of stealing basically all the F-35 data was information on this integrated stealth material
Do demoralized idiots still believe this?
>does armatard like salty donkey semen? why can't he stop sucking donkey dicks?
what is that stuff all over its skin?
looks like dirt
>and they shoot down an F-15, expect a total meltdown on /k/
Yeah, from the thirdies who act like they just slayed God because the Kill:Loss ratio on a fighter is no longer 100+:0...never mind what happens when the ratio goes 200+:1 in the following fighting.
>antique pic
>at the same time that IMPLESSIVE threads pop up
it's all so tiresome
Hopefully every carrier has a few F-35Cs in literal shrinkwrap in order to always be able to launch fully rust-free birds.
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