Does infantry need to fit inside of a building to fill the role of infantry?

Does infantry need to fit inside of a building to fill the role of infantry?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Infantry need to be able to occupy infrastructure and take it intact, yes.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Elementals are about the only cool thing the clans ever made. Don't try to change my mind, you can't.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      okay but counterpoint, they're the coolest fricking thing so I think it evens out

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't read Battletech lore in like 20 years but I thought they were awful because they pointed out a logical flaw in Battletech.

      They're already trying to pretend that giant robots make sense in warfare and hope that you don't think too much about how conventional vehicles are obviously better. And then they introduce small robots that the lore tries to portray as easily able to defeat giant robots in small swarms. It just kind of jumps the shark, don't draw attention to your fictional setting's immersion problems.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        afaik, the reason mechs took over is because they can carry weapon payloads that are impractical for tanks to carry or are faster

        elementals also aren't able to easily defeat giant robots, even in small swarms. they lack firepower

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There are 80 and 100 ton tanks in BT

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Myomer is around 10 times as efficient for tonnage. What that means is, a 100 ton mech can carry around 10 times as much armor and ordinance as a 100 ton tank.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No moron kun, it means it's "transmission" weighs 1/10th as much

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nah. Not even close to that.

              Using basic Inner Sphere tech, a 100-ton tracked tank chassis with a class 300 fusion engine leaves 56.5tons to install weapons, armor and assorted gear, with installing guns in a turret eating a bit of extra tonnage depending on their own weight. Also, they do not track heat from non-energy weapons, so loading up ballistics and missiles is possible in amounts that would hilariously overheat a Mech.

              Meanwhile a 100-ton Mech chassis with the same fusion engine 65 tons of weight over for weapons, armor and assorted gear.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A Shrek and an Awesome are the same weight, carry near identical armament, and move at the same speed. The difference between them is that the Awesome costs twice as much for the unit itself, while the Shrek needs six crewmen which in turn adds 31 tons of life support equipment to the dropship manifest compared to the Awesome's single pilot.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >dropship manifest
            Do bear in mind that this is fan theory.
            In actual lore, tanks are used even more than Mechs for major planetary assaults. Mechs were mainly used for small raids during the Succession Wars because Mechs Are Awesome.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >In actual lore, tanks are used even more than Mechs for major planetary assaults
              Yeah, because they're cheaper to produce and maintain and since your army is running on scraps after the fifth round of "let's nuke all our manufacturing to deny it to the enemy" you can't actually fill all your dropships with ordnance anyway, so there's room for extra meatbags.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Elementals
        >easily able to defeat giant robots
        Easy nothing. It's an all or nothing rush to get in grappling range before the mechs cut them down with Medium Lasers. Elementals need to carefully plan their attacks or they'll get wiped out at range.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >small robots
        It's power armor. And they were "easily" able to defeat Mechs early on in the Clan invasion because Inner Sphere units had absolutely nothing equivalent to them and the sheer thought of "infantry" that can take hits from vehicular/Mech-scale weapons and keep coming was just downright absurd, meaning nobody had any kind of preparation or training or even tactical doctrine able to deal with that problem at first. All while the Clans had spent literal generations working out tactics for the employment of Elementals and tested them out in combat.

        Basically, imagine you're a pre-WWI military and then suddenly some day a couple WWII tank divisions come rolling over your border without any warning. You don't even fricking know what a tank is, let alone how to fight it, and now you get to try and find out while doing it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Battlemechs also get fricked up pretty good by protomechs when they first encounter them, but protos have their own host of problems and IIRC the tech is pretty limited due to how the neural interface has to be set up. Only clanners and wobbies are crazy enough to field them, and a lot of protomech tech (namely the lighter cannons for them) got adapted to battlemechs anyway.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ProtoMechs are the patrician's choice when patrician means insane Crusader Clanners.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>>/tg/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm interested in an answer based on real warfare not space magic

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        See

        Infantry need to be able to occupy infrastructure and take it intact, yes.

        . Begone Clanner.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, because how else would you clear and secure buildings?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Infantry is the "smallest" thing on the battlefield and if you're going to attack an area it depends on how small the hiding places are.
    In the early days of the Gulf War the US drove their tanks across the desert and drove over Saddam's army in the field. They didn't have much in the way of infantry and the limited maneuverability of tanks didn't matter.
    But as soon as they got to the cities all the tanks were useless and that's where the infantry comes in. A tank isn't able to navigate the "small" areas that infantry can occupy.
    So if you're going to have mobile infantry or mecha suits or whatever, you can't sacrifice the ability to maneuver in those environments. Imagine a 1-meter wide maze of concrete corridors. A normal person can navigate through this, but a bulky exosuit can't.
    This is the reason the US Army is investing in exoskeletons and combat support robots so troopers can carry more shit with them and achieve fire superiority (they'll have a man-portable SAW chambered in .50cal within 10 years and use exoskeleton assistance to carry it around) instead of making something like this mecha suit that can't fit in places a regular person could.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Infantry is the "smallest" thing on the battlefield
      Not anymore.
      Can drones fill the infantry role of seizing and even holding built up infrastructure just as well as dudes? I suspect they could. Make IFVs/APCs hold a variety of small UAVs and UGVs instead, and unleash the necessary amount on your target building at your convenience.
      I really don't see much need for human doorkickers (with or without exos) to exist in the future.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit, she isn't just built like a brick shithouse, she is the brick factory.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >tfw it's canon Tex is running from his Ghost Bear Elemental wife because she kept breaking his pelvis and begging for children.
          >inb4 freebirth
          Go insult a Ghost Bear's Elementals "cubs" to their face and see what happens.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Battletech really is the peak 80s fantasy

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    blah blah blah ACK
    >Space eugenists
    >they still have black people
    WHYY?!?!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's nu-eugenics, with affirmative action quotas and exceptions made for HolocaustTM survivors.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They genetically engineered ni- uh, black clanners to acceptable intelligence levels

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you fix all the underlying issues and the only actual difference is skin color, it ends up being an entirely aesthetic matter.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The first Smoke Jaguar Khan, Franklin Osis was black, and they have a big thing about being able to trace your lineage. Warriors from different Clans can even pick out each other's ancestry just by the color of their eyes and their cheekbones and shit, so it makes sense skin color has stuck around as a variable. At the time of the Clan Invasion the ilKhan is even a literal gigga homie Elemental.

      Of course then Smoke Jaguar was the first clan to get annihilated by the Inner Sphere, so there is that I guess.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, elementals are fricking moronic. Not having hands is stupid.
    If you don't have hands, you may as well just use a robotic gun carrier instead of a dumb suit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Battletech nerds say all drones dont work in their moronic headcanon because of ecm being in the air all the time or something

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Which is even more braindead because comms work fine, even though they shouldn't, and you could also just make the drones have more autonomy by onboarding the processors instead of making them remote controlled.
        Or, since it's a gun carrier, literally have someone follow it around with a fricking remote control and cable.

        At the end of the day it is the way it is, because anytime someone figures out a way to build vehicles such that they aren't useless against mechs, FASA goes out of their way to change the rules to break them. Hence why vehicles spontaneously combust and have no internal structure hitpoints but mechs get a ton for some strange reason. Also why aircraft lawndart.

        I get made just thinking about how good the game could be, but isn't.

        https://i.imgur.com/pCo3Kki.jpg

        Space Muslims.

        But Battletech has always been very considerate towards people's religions and cultures in the past, so it only makes sense.........

        To be fair to them there are whole ass clusters of planets that are Muslim in battletech, usually in the form of ethnic enclaves colonized by muslim nations but conquered by one of the great powers long ago. The Capellans would try to wipe out the local religion but even the Combine would put up with it as long as they pay suitable lip service to the dragon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Be Battletech creators
          >Be cracker
          >Appropriate other people's cultures
          >Get it all wrong
          >Make it hideous
          >Fill it with foreigners

          To be fair, crackers have been meddling in our shit for centuries.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Black person!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Y'know, I'm gonna say "white" for a change. You're a bit too eager to go full Black person.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Japanese you insipid moronic hayseed.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't get it, wouldn't you have said "clacker"?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Seamus pls

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Minobu 'Black Samurai' Tetsuhara is one of the better characters in Battletech fiction tbh. The Combine is and always has been one giant LARP anyway.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muh appropriation
            >brings up Minobu Tetsuhara, the motherfricking platonic ideal samurai

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Space Muslims.

    But Battletech has always been very considerate towards people's religions and cultures in the past, so it only makes sense.........

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >all battletech weapons
    Frick tonnage, I wonder WHERE Mechs, Tanks, and VTOL's stash all the ammo nevermind how the ammo actually gets to them.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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    BA can fit in a building if they just smash through it

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does infantry need to be infants to fill the role of infantry?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    luv me power suits

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Infantry has always been about getting rid of excess male population.
    With videogames and porn, you can have them self isolate. Infantry is dead.

    When a country really wants to win a battle, they just sends missiles and destroy buildings.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Minus the video games, that nonsense was what the NYT reading class said right before the Korean War proved them wrong again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >getting rid of excess male population.
      This is kind of true. Gauls and Germanics would send out their youngest smartest men to find new lands and make their own destiny if it got too crowded.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sir, that's a jet fighter with feet.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Generally no, The point of infantry is to lock down things down and let cav/armor/arty/and whatever the frick else beat the other guy in submission.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, otherwise they would have to be called outfantry.

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