I see these post on the Normie Book
There are Euros that find some of this stuff inna woods
What are the EuroPrepHole experiences with this here ?
Does Euro/k find a lot of Munitions ?
I see these post on the Normie Book
There are Euros that find some of this stuff inna woods
What are the EuroPrepHole experiences with this here ?
I found quite a lot of ww1 stuff in the mountains (I live really close to Mount Grappa, which was one of the major theatres)
Kraut here.
Found plenty ww2 guns when I was younger but no ammo
Post them
Also, I found some kraut 8mm up in Narvik but thats about it.
Where did you find them?
I only find old ammo, mostly empty shells. We should meet to make complete sets!
another kraut here. gramps used to tell stories about kids finding crates of rifles and stuff like that in the woods after the war. once they found a box of grenades and almost got themselves killed messing around with them. gramps also once found a P38 when he was re-doing the attic floor in an older house, box of ammo and holster included. never found anything myself but I also never went looking for it, I guess. I'd imagine it's much less common these days.
I read an article in Shotgun news back in the early 2000s about how Russian Mafia members would get salvaged Mausers from Inna woods and saw them off
I've found four Mauser K98 in a forest in south-western Poland. The stocks have rotted away and I was a kid so I didn't take them home
Live near the former Hermann Göring Werke which was targeted a lot by bombers. I think it's estimated that only about 15% of unexploded ordinance has actually been recovered, so we find stuff quite often.
Most of the stuff has been found decades ago. However, every month or so they'll still find some giant fucking bomb that never exploded when working on a road or demolishing an old building. Those are still everywhere.
Heavily depends on where you are. There is still a ton of ammo along the WW1 western front and farmers in the region regularly unearth them plowing the fields.
Iron harvest or récolte de fer is the term for the UXO found during that.
Still very dangerous with the mount of gas shells in the area.
Oh yeah, totally depends on where you are. Most places there's no issue, but in my hometown (which was at a railway junction) they have dedicated bomb maps constructed from areal photos from during and after the war. Before you can build or demolish anything in a high-risk zone, they first have to investigate the likelihood of UXO based on bomb crater patterns and stuff like that.
>every month
you mean every few years
At least here in Germany talking about aerial bombs from WW2 monthly isn't too far off depending on the region.
During recent flooding in Slovenia it was literally washing up bombs, mortars and grenades.
>you mean every few years
Sweaty, only in the german state of North-Rhine-Westfalia EOD removed 13k pieces of munitions in 2018 alone. That's roughly 35 pieces each and every day.
Even if we only talk about "bombs" (as in: dropped by airplane) it's been 2,811 pieces in 2018. That's 7.7 bombs every single day.
https://www.land.nrw/pressemitteilung/sprengmeister-raeumen-2811-bomben
We found a bunch of 30-06 in the garden, there's a fuckton of blockhaus all around, empty tho, there was quite a bit of WW2 action (pic rel is a plaque for a fallen US captain)
My other half is from the south philippines.
Her family says that their now deceased grandfather had some M1 Garands buried on at the family farm. But no one knows where at, and they are probably all splinters and rusted metal by now.
One of the largest ex-German ammo dumps in the Netherlands, ironically located close by what is now the country's most welknown amusement park, was finally cleared in 1992 I think. It was was one of the largest on the Western front.
I remeber in school when I was young they made us read a story about two boys who find a german submachinegun but then while playing one accidently discharges the weapon and kills the other boy.
My father owned lots of guns which supposedly were found or traded. This included American, British, French and German weapons and even some Russian ones, supposedly brought back from the Eastern front.
Mind you, I was born in a region pretty close to where were some fierce battles.
Britbong friend of mine found an old Mills grenade tucked into a wall when he was renovating a house. Thing was still live.
Friends of mine go on detection afternoons here in eastern France, they always find stuff. Stripper clips, rusted out helmets, belt buckles, ammunition, sometimes grenades
Southern German here. Cops in my home village had a pretty big Oh Shit moment when I was a kid. Group of kids found an old box while exploring the woods outside town and decided to get it to the police office because they didn't know what else. Guy at the desk almost had a heart attack when he opened the lid and stared at half a dozen rusted out potato mashers.
Other than that, some rusted remains of firearms have turned up at times over the years. Kinda boring tbh, our area didn't really see a lot of fighting. Those woods near the village wer ejsut where a bunch of remnants gathered up in '45 before ditching their gear and going home.
In the NL you can find quite a lot in small river arms, where it was dumped, and also there are certain places where bombes and grenades are often found. For example, ordnance was often dropped in the North Sea and it’s standard practice to do a bomb search before constructing wind turbines. When thy are found, they are usually exploded. Myself, I only know a kid who found a shitload of grenades when swimming in a tributary of the rhine.
I only find empty 20gauge casings when i go for a walk across the fields, because hunters are filthy fucking morons too lazy to pick their own junk.
Here in Finland, not really much. Maybe rarely an unexoploded Russian plane dropped bomb is found in a city. I guess if you go to the east and scour the forests you might find a bit of something, or maybe north in the Lappland you can find German mines or something (infamously they burned and mined a lot of North Finland in the Lappland war).
>Isn't metal detecting illegal in a lot of parts of Europe
I've literally never heard if this. Of course you can't go digging in a heritage site like say, stone henge but otherwise why wiutld it be illegal? The other caveat I can think of is that some countries require you to turn in any item you find if it's old enough. In Norway it's from around 1500 and older and the gub'ment is gonna gibsmedat it
Here in Austria it's illegal because some time ago some retards found the grave of some celtic nobleman from antiquity and thought it be a good idea to sell the stuff on the Internet.
But why would they make metal detecting illegal instead of digging up old graves and selling of historic artifacts? Legislators can be real pricks.
That's Austria, the country that banned pump action shotguns because the legislators watched too many movies. Semi-autos are g2g though
Pumps are banned in most EU nations under bullshit like being 'riot guns' because they were American and competed with Europe and and UK makes of side by sides, singles, OUs and semis. Its a protectionist move.
>Pumps are banned in most EU nations
"No"
I can only think of Austria and Cyprus
That sucks
Finders should be able to sell whatever the fuck they want or even just melt it down into an ingot if they want.
Doesn't belong to them even if they found it
Well I disagree.
The owner of it is long dead as are the inheritors that they would have willed it to.
>muh government says no you can't have it
Well fuck them. All they're doing is discouraging people faithfully report what they find like that.
>priceless artefacts get destroyed by some retard for 150 in gold and 2 bucks for the copper.
Not everything on this world was made for you to profit from.
People like you should be executed in painful ways to retard this kind of greedy, moronish thinking.
>Finders should be able to sell whatever the fuck they want or even just melt it down into an ingot if they want.
Say, look at this, its John Moses Browning's first prototype 1911, or the very first BAR. Well, perhaps we should melt that down and make a couple of shovels out of it.
sure. Priceless archaeology of cultures are only worth their value as melted down bullion. Its not like the past has any value. You fucking moron.
You're the kind of ignorant philistine who'd knock down roman buildings if you were in ISIS.
He is worse than IS, they knew exactly what they where doing, erasing culture to spread their own thing.
That guy would melt down artpieces and sell the scrap to buy himself a big mac.
The living have more priority than the dead.
And thankfully I'm not the only one to understand this. Like all the old ruins scoured for stones to shore up a fort later on.
If I want to melt down some Anglo Saxon's brooch for the gold in it too fucking bad. Take a picture of it for the history books and move on.
Despite calling me a hollow materialist or whatever, you all are the kind of people to make a mass produced gun sacred and bitch about any mods made to it.
Tiptoeing through life just to let something sit in a stuffy collection where it will only exist as a curio. Pathetic.
>You're the kind of ignorant philistine who'd knock down roman buildings if you were in ISIS.
and why the fuck would or SHOULD ISIS of all people give a tinny shit about Roman legacy?
Dumb example.
Wow this guy must be fun at parties.
if he ever gets invited.
No culture, no value to anything that isnt a material gain to him personally. Utterly ignorant.
Thinks he knows the price of everything, and doesnt know the value of anything.
No sweaty, you can't sell grandmas ashes for drug money.
Also selling today when money loses it's worth 10% a year is just plain retarded.
We can all tell you're poor and ignorant because those are the only people who think like this
>Finders should be able to sell whatever the fuck they want or even just melt it down into an ingot if they want.
>Tell me your black without saying it
UK its legal, but you are required to report all finds over 300 years old, I think it is, to the "portable antiquities scheme" (PAS)
the PAS is then supported by treasure laws which mean all finds are assessed and important items can be bought by the nation, before going to public auction.
Items are valued, and the finder and landowner get an equal share. This has resulted in (mostly) successful rewards which have prevented the "but I found it!" "but its my property!" type disputes - though more than a few of the really big finds have ended up with such disputes regardless.
As a result, a lot of farmers and the likes are happy for detectorists to go over their land after ploughing etc.
the PAS' protection of finds for the nation has significantly cut down on illegal detectors who loot sites, and has resulted in several major discoveries, for example the Galloway Hoard, in scotland, and the Staffordshire Hoard, with gold and silver anglo-saxon period treasures
its not a perfect system in a long way, but its prevented a lot of the rampant looting of sites which has taken place in eastern europe and the likes.
Sounds lot better than what we have here in Finland. Law requires finder to report anything over 100 years old and museum department takes anything that they want and compensates only fraction of the items market value.
the problem with sticking a market value on things is that the item its self isn't worth very much.
What collectors pay for is an item that can be placed some where and dated.
if you find a silver ring on a moldy bit of bone its just a bit of silver for the people with the big bucks. Unless some archeologists/historians date it and certify that's an actual antique. They in a way give it 90 percent plus it's value.
That being said there are also a lot of snobs that think that digging in the dirt for old things is their sole right because they have a diploma.
The bings have it good because they in essence made metal detectorists the scouts.
When they find something that looks valuable or important they give the archaeologists a call secure in knowing they will get their reward and then the pricks can go digging with a grid and what not.
The states are even stricter on the age requirements. Though I feel that's because it's a younger country. There it's anything over 100 years old must be reported and relinquished. Then the whole site is logged by the authority granted by the NHPA and detecting then banned on it. Obviously this is near unenforceable unless you cover Facebook with pictures of you digging shit up. At the very least, most detecting (in the east) is limited to modern things like lost money and garden gnomeelry on tourist beaches on the off season.
>>Isn't metal detecting illegal in a lot of parts of Europe
Yes it is because otherwise you would have hordes of shovel wielding scum digging up iron age ringforts and other pre medieval archaeological sites destroying them for future generations.
Thankfully it's still too much work for the Romanians, but organized crime in general has been grave robbing in Europe for decades now
They end up destroying something just to dig up an old horseshoe nail. Metal detector scum to go at old iron age sites are fucking vermin
The saddest thing is that once most artefacts are removed without record, they loose all meaning, even value, you don't know where it is from or even what age it is. I have silver rings from Viking burials that were stolen probably, they have very little/no value the thing is the site itself might have had some archaeological evidence like seeds or an arrowhead from America or something very important and it will have been smashed up and the bones scattered., that's aside from desecrating the grave and stealing someone's wedding ring. Metal detector people are absolute scum, just don't give a shit in most cases, they will trespass and destroy anything.
Anon, future generations are never going to know about the site unless it gets a metal detector going over it. So you either find a site thats been partially looted and then cordoned off for future generations, or it remains a no more than a simple field with no archaeological value if nobody knows what's in it.
>implying PrepHole poster ever go outside
I found a bunch of shit here in Gallipoli, not sure if you consider that Europe. My dutch friend found a German bayonet in Belgium. When I was in Poland, police came one day and told me to vacate the place because they found a 250kg German bomb.
Own some land in the Bosnian mountains, right where some trenches used to be. Pretty much every time I dig a hole i find some 7.62. What's weird is that it's usually the whole cartridge, rarely found empty casings. Also found a bunch of shrapnel in my yard as a kid - including an APFSDS rod. If you try to cut any of the old trees in my yard with a chainsaw you'll just fuck up the chain.
Bosnian anon here as well, if its a trench and at one point or another it was overrun you'll find alot of unused ammo that was just forgotten. I found some 12.7mm rounds that were pretty rusted. Land mines also are a huge issue, I was collecting hay as a young lad back in the mid 00s next to a stream/river and saw an antipersonal mine just slowly floating down it. My much older cousin who fought in the war caught and disarmed it, dunno what he did with it after that. You'll also find alot of rkg3 or whatever theyre called buried everywhere. The soviet parachute anti armor hand grenades, they were death traps so they were rarely used and thus ended up being just left in trenches and the like.
>What are the EuroPrepHole experiences with this here ?
I've got a friend who used to go with "black archeologists" to dig out some rusty stuff.
One day my dad got a truckload of gravel for our countryside house paths and car parking. While shoveling it around, we've found an Iron Cross.
>Wow this guy must be fun at parties.
I did find 2 satchels full of grenades as a kid
Of course not. And even if we did, we would call the authorities immediately.
I live next to a mountain pass that the germans used to retreat and they dropped everything in the woods and hills around it to gtfo faster. Every time I metal detect there I find just about anything you can imagine but mostly ammo (italian, german and yugo) not sure what to do with any of the findings tho and most of the stuff is rotted to shit.
I pin tumble the good brass check it visually and by weight and dimension and volume and shoot it, Never had a problem. However it is nearly always stuff from the 30s. War production was sketchy with zinc etc
in bf
>noeee its valuable history
no its brass. billions of it, made for shooting dug from the ground like potatoes
I have a *lot* of French 8mm lebel that was used by the germans in the courland pocket, some 8x57 from a dry german ww1 dugout with ten corpses in it and a bunch of brit vicars 11mm plus a ton of kynoch snider and 12 gauge paper cartridges from grandpas sheds and a load more 8x57 from the eastern front.
>I have a *lot* of French 8mm lebel that was used by the germans in the courland pocket
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=133367
probably something like Hotchkiss though
In-laws found greande on their 'dacha' last year.
MIL picked it up and walked to FIL to show it.
luckily he was artillery man and recognized it.
General area was used for exercises up to 1980s. Some poor conscript lost it in bushes.
You could probably go with metal detector and find WW2 stuff too as it saw moderate action
I'll occasionally find small arms stuff around the place, but nothing really out of the ordinary.
Man, I wish I lived in a former warzone. The last time they fought anywhere near here was in 1789 and I'm pretty sure the musket balls etc. from that skirmish have all been excavated by now.
>Man, I wish I lived in a former warzone. The last time they fought anywhere near here was in 1789 and I'm pretty sure the musket balls etc. from that skirmish have all been excavated by now.
No they will still be in the ground, please leave them there though, they tell battlefield archaeologists where volleys were fired etc.
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/293048746.pdf
>Man, I wish I lived in a former warzone.
No you don't
>No you don't
Seconded.
There wasn't a huge deal of fighting here, so I'm guessing this is old army kit being reappropriated for hunting, disintegrating squirrels and making sure no undesirables come walking down the driveway. Grandpa hoarded this stuff fully convinced the commies were gonna come around a third time. I found these in the rafters of an old barn. Supposedly he hid a KP/-31 on the premises as well, but I've yet to come across it.
Kraut here. Depending on where you live it just takes a walk through the next forest with a metal detector to find at least some brass.
Some stats:
>Various experts guess there are about 100k thru 300k metric tons of munitions in german soil. That's everything between hand- and rifle grenades and aerial bombs
>Some areas like the Hurtgen forest are still off limits (at least outside certain cleared and marked paths)
>Especially in cities, before new housing projects are green-lit, it usually incorporates contacting EOD because they got fuckhuge archives with pre- and post-attack aerial surveillance photos and maps. Obviously Burgers and Bongs gave us much more stuff than r*ssoids.
I've never searched for stuff because especially rifle grenades tend to be sensitive as fuck. But I still found some .30-06 and .50 brass while walking the dog.
my family comes from the front around Ieper, Zonnebeke to be specific.
You'l still find munitions, shrapnel, bullets and other odd bits and pieces when plowing or after the taw (not that it has frozen a lot this last decade).
you put the uxo at a light or power pole and the call the army or the police to get it collected. used to be that the minesweepers would just do rounds when I was a little kid because there was still enough coming up that it was easier and faster to just drive around than tho handle all the calls.
My father used to collect shrapnel ect to sell to the iron monger for a bit of extra money. He has found dozens of bones and a few skulls in polygon woods playing there, just leave the on the fence and call the cops when you get home kind of deal.
haven't found any bones myself or more fancy bits.
But when they dug the foundation for my cousins house they found two dead brits and a frenchman.
Used to be that they'd go over finding them quite quickly, see if there are any tags or other ID items, bag them up and get out of your way.
But now that finds are more rare and far between they'l put in a full dig to find as much as they can.
The weirdest thing must be how casual you become with uxo. i haven't lost any one but my dad lost someone from his middleschool when he was getting some stuck uxo out of his fathers tractor plow assembly.
>Zonnebeke to be specific
German here. I got a weekend home in Adinkerke (grandpa bought it). I don't go there during the summer since there are too fucking many tourists but I do love the region in fall and winter.
Sadly I've been to every museum in the general vicinity at least thrice so there isnt much new stuff to discover. IMHO Passchendaele 1917 is the best fucking museum in the area and among the best ones I've ever seen.
>Go to a military store in Ypres
>mfw the dude sells single shrapnell balls for 1 Euro a piece
>mfw the dude sells single shrapnell balls for 1 Euro a piece
that is a rip off
I don't know if they are open in the off season but the Atlantic wall museum is worth a visit.
been there with a few german friends for a Burschenschaft and they liked it.
If you are going by car you could also visit some of the museums around Antwerp or Brussels on the way to and from Germany. But that would depend on if you are driving alone and from how far you are coming. You could take a train to visit them as well, a lot cheaper than Deutsche Bahn, take the train in Veurne but change trains in Gent to the direct train saves you half an hour going to brussel (used to commute via train)
sadly not much to visit in Duinkerke because the frogs buried the channel batteries with the spoil from digging the Chunnel.
Und wenn Sie Ihr Schmiss bekommen hast, sind Sie in Gent jederzeit zum Kneipen willkommen
fathers most memorable story is accidentally snagging a 2000kg bomb while ploughing a field with a tractor.
happened near a railway bridge in Poland that Russians tried to dive bomb at some point but missed.
lots of other smaller stories of finding crates of mp40s and grenades.