Does England Not Have Ceremonial Rifles ?

L85s for the King's crowning seems very low class. Where are the perfectly preserved 1853 Enfield's ? the SLRs ?
What are PrepHole's thoughts on this ?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SMLEs would be kino

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seconded.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree whole heartedly. Also I know the helmets are ceremonial and I respect that much, but they really do look like shit. Wear a brodie helmet, they have sovl.
      On a side note the household calvary is a great example of “so old it looks silly but it horseshoes into looking cool”

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >helmet
        now that I think about it that’s the wrong phrase. What is this? A cap? Either way it looks goofy as hell

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guns are for shooting.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No. They're for looking cool and having fun, anything else is cope

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shooting subhumans is fun and looks cool

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shooting your guns instead of posting them on PrepHole
      NGMI Fren

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These losers are never going to actually fire their guns

      And if they needed to be combat ready they wouldn't have those stupid hats that prevent them from taking cover and probably are incredibly annoying

      Oh and it's the l85, clearly shooting isn't a reason they are carrying them 🙂

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I dig how you speak with such confidence about something you clearly know nothing about.

        >plume on the right, red color
        The guys in OP's pics are the Coldstream Guards
        >excluding battle honors going back to 1680, excluding Malaya, Kenya, Aden, Cyprus, Northern Ireland and excluding GW1 they deployed as follows:
        >Afghanistan 2007-10, Iraq 2003-09.

        Clown.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Retard. This takes 1 google search.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ??? What the fuck are you talking about?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The 5 battalions of the guards have fired their rifles in action from Waterloo to Iraq and Afghanistan, since you need it spelled out to you, you mong.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, which is exactly what I said in the post you initially replied to. You fucking spastic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's saying they're not gonna be fighting in full dress in London they don't even carry ammunition, there's an armed royal protection unit of the police that handle proper security.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The weapons are loaded but not made ready.
                The police are there because the army has no jurisdiction for dealing with any criminals - They're entitled to use deadly force to protect the monarch if necessary, but they can't arrest anyone - and the police act as another line of defence to prevent Johnny foreigner from getting trampled again, like in those video's we all know.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The weapons are loaded
                they're not and if you ever ask a guard they'll tell you that they were told they were told they might be under certain circumstances

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They absolutely are.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                t. never served
                t. never had guards go on about standing guard to you
                Why do you autists hate the idea that they don't typically carry rounds, it's like the idea that the police are the main security offends you and they absolutely are because they handle the close protection detail and response unit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they'll tell you that they were told they were told they might be under certain circumstances

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the army has no jurisdiction for dealing with any criminals
                lol you are a fucking idiot

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They can't arrest anyone
                Everyone can make an arrest and hand them over to police or cuff them until police arrive if they got caught in the act commiting a crime

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >5 regiments
                Irish and Welsh Guards weren't founded until 1900 and 1915 respectively.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Seconded.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/HTJLs2n.jpg

        Retard. This takes 1 google search.

        ??? What the fuck are you talking about?

        Replied to the wrong post

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They use issued weapons. Bongs aren't issuing Enfields anymore, even in reserve units.

        bro, Coldstream Guards get deployed in most active warzones for the UK. Hell, I don't even know if they get deployed in the random policing shit the UK does for the Commonwealth that always gets overlooked.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If they wanted the guards to be practical them why dress them up like that?
      If you are going to be ceremonial and traditional don't half ass it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, why don't the gendarmerie dress in combat fatigues with full tacticool rigging and helmets?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did you build the sa80 then?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it is power projection, and quite needless power projection at that. These Royal Guard have the mentality of the Marine Corp, "we're the best of the best on a sacred mission to protect the queen.. no, king, now get out of our way". So as a result they have tacticool rifles instead of something classy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we're the best of the best on a sacred mission to protect the queen.. no, king,

      >be tommy coldstream
      >It's four bong, time to change the guard
      >marching to my post with a few other lads
      >bloody tourists in the way, they aren't moving
      >good.bmp
      >MAKE WAY FOR THE QUEEN'S GUARD as you trample some foreigner
      >Charles comes out with a rifle and personally offs you for insulting his honor
      >they bury you in an unmarked grave next to the half of the English footie team that fucked the anthem up in Qatar
      such is life in Ingerland

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sounds kino

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tacticool rifles
      >L85
      lmao it's a bog standard generic rifle for common soldiers, they're not decked out in SCARs or something

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What is the tacticool advantage of a marge Simpson hat and a lobster coat?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Third worlders are intimidated by ridiculous hairstyles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Theyre a guards regiment, infantry. They normally look like this

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ceremonial guns are autistic. They have a dress uniform, they don't need a dress gun and neither do any other regiments. Those uniforms reflect over 200 years of consistent history, picking one rifle to use just because it's "old" when they've always had their service rifles would be retarded. Would you look at a picture of one from the 20s and demand he carries a brown bess.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope you feel the same way about the ceremonial Sword then too Anon

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If swords were still issued as weapons of war and they picked a random old sword instead of a modern sword I would.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a ceremony autist it's like saying why wear a suit to a event when you could wear the latest supreme jacket

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they're wearing their modern dress uniform
            >they're carrying their modern rifles

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Would you look at a picture of one from the 20s and demand he carries a brown bess.
      Yes please.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In fairness to OP, they did have specific accessories for ceremonial SLRs. White slings, white bayonet frogs, chromed bayonets. Don't think the guns themselves were anything special though.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not that they wouldn't use a white sling for the SA80 they just don't use any slings for ceremony because it's a quick adjust and would look weird.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They have a dress uniform, they do need a dress gun
      fixed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally everyone else has ceremonial guns.
      Russians have SKS, Germans have K98s, Americans have M1 Garands, etc.
      Having your ceremonial guards carry ugly bullpups is autistic as fuck.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NOOOOO IT'S GOTTA BE WOOOD

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >your ceremonial guards
        they're not ceremonial, you dip, as everyone else ITT has pointed out repeatedly.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They literally are you retard, they aren't even issued ammunition.
          Every other ceremonial guard in the world is also comprised of active duty soldiers dumbass. You're not unique, just retarded with your faggy bullpup.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If there's a threat, then they're loaded, simple as

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >If there's a threat, then they're loaded, simple as
              Lol no they aren’t you dipshit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Lol no they aren’t you dipshit
                shows how much you know doesn't it, ignoramus

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well if reddit said it, it must be true.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well if PrepHole said it, it must be false.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's dependent on the UK determined 'threat level'. If you go to any british armed forces base in the UK, near the gate you'll see a 'threat level' sign. Usually the label is black, reading 'Heightened'. There's four levels, the max being 'imminant'. Heightened is the third, I believe, the first is 'negligible', anything above and including 'heightened' involves anyone with a rifle on any form of guard in the UK to carry a minimum of 15 rounds.

                it's been at heightened since the westminister attacks, so everyone's been carrying rounds in their weapon. Below 'heightened', ceremonial guards units don't carry rounds in the magazine but actual blokes on guard will have a magazine of live rounds on their persons somewhere

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do they also fight in their ridiculously tall and ridiculously fuzzy hats? Or are they hiding steel pots under there?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they aren't even issued ammunition.
            They are, and they have a fully functioning command center, barracks and supply depot right there in Westminster, they are attached to the 11th infantry brigade and are part of the UKs domestic security apparatus

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US uses M14 nowadays, no?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll tell you why we should have them. The manual of arms was built around guns that were a certain length and made of wood. Although it's been adapted, it's extremely difficult to perform certain manoeuvres with a polymer bullpup.
      In particular when you slap your hand on the furniture when performing certain moves instead of a nice slap noise you get a dull thump. Drill sergeants though, STILL DEMAND YOU MAKE THAT FUCKING SLAP NOISE. Because it's in the fucking book. So recruits are even now beating their hands to shit on polymer furniture in a nearly futile attempt to make a noise that they will never be able to make.
      Also the fucking magazine gets in the way.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every part of the British military does guard duty around London at some point. Even foreign units from the Commonwealth do it sometimes
    They're expected to do the same drills so it only makes sense to do it with a service rifle, not have some gaudy fucking chrome wall ornament

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not quite true. The Guards take the lead for the ceremonial stuff, but as they are genuine infantry battalions sometimes they just aren't available to do the ceremonial stuff. At which point other units (or even the RN) have sometimes filled in for them

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is a rotation though ceremonial duties. Even the RAF have the Queens Colour Squadron for such duties. There are several Guard units though who all rotate though, so they are who you typically see, and they all look similar, so everyone thinks its the same unit. The unit in OP's pic are the Coldstream guards, not the Grenadier Guards for example.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Absolutely mogged
        Do the Guards regiments have minimum height requirements?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No. It's just that sailors have maximum height requirements. So they can save money by making smaller boats. Blame the Tories for their cost-cutting

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >oi ya cheeky wanka

            https://i.imgur.com/m97EvU6.png

            Absolutely mogged
            Do the Guards regiments have minimum height requirements?

            >Do the Guards regiments have minimum height requirements?
            well, they signed all those non-dscrimination inclusivity workplace statements and such, so all said and done, on the whole, yes they do

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >sailors have maximum height requirements
            Didn't know that, although it makes sense. Also sensible for tankies.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think he's being serious

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How do they se out of those hats

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the same way people with a fringe do

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Used to be 6'0

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because, despite the silly hats, the Kings Guard isn't purely ceremonial. They do actually provide security for the monarch and their residences, even when they're on display for tourists. So they carry the same rifle for all their duties.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which is why I say they should have custom L85s that are engraved or otherwise visually distinct from a normal L85. If I were royalty I'd want my guards to be equipped with the best we can afford but also look as regal as their position. Perhaps a different finish or handguard material. Maybe special longer bayonets as that would both help them in crowd control and be distinct from a normal infantry rifle

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >engraved
        lmao I bet you think the tomb guard's M17 pistols look cool, don't you

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No that's gaudy and tasteless. But that doesn't mean you can't make a tasteful yet subtle engraving on a service rifle. Something like "For King and Country" written along the barrel would be kind of neat. Then again it'd be neat if all British service weapons had that engraved on them like how the Japanese marked Arisakas with a Chrysanthemum to mark them as the emperor's property. God why do service rifles lack cool markings anymore? What happened to national crests?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            unironically, garden gnomes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >imagine if every single artillery piece and HIMARS launcher had VLTIMA RATIO REGVM engraved somewhere
            rock hard now

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tomb guard's M17 pistols
          I've never seen these before... the fucking holster to show it off lmao.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you have a pic of Simmerson when he's chillaxing on that sofa waiting for the dumb girl to blow him?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > DONTCHA WANNA KNOW HOW WE KEEP STARTING FIRES?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Underrated

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ITS MY DESIRE
                >My DESIRE

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                FIRE IN THE

                TACO BELL

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                saved. thank you kindly

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tomb guard's M17 pistols

          Ugggh, they couldn't have just given them M9s or M1911s?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're aware that the M17 is the M17 because it has been adopted to replace the M9 in all branches of the military, right? They did have custom M9s before, but the Army adopted the M17 and the tomb guards got the new pistols like everyone else.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm aware of that. I think using older gear for ceremonial units is entirely appropriate particularly if the newer gear is garish polymer,

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              so when are they going to replace the M14s with M4s?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fucking SIG, the wood gripped M9 is 1 million times more fitting that M17 abomonacion

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's annoys me because its so close to being decent. Flush fit magazine. Get rid of the cringey engraving on the sides and bottom (top one can stay), get rid of the mirror finish for a nice dark bluing.
            There, fixed. Not amazing but fine.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >engraved
            lmao I bet you think the tomb guard's M17 pistols look cool, don't you

            No that's gaudy and tasteless. But that doesn't mean you can't make a tasteful yet subtle engraving on a service rifle. Something like "For King and Country" written along the barrel would be kind of neat. Then again it'd be neat if all British service weapons had that engraved on them like how the Japanese marked Arisakas with a Chrysanthemum to mark them as the emperor's property. God why do service rifles lack cool markings anymore? What happened to national crests?

            https://i.imgur.com/d2YKLiS.png

            >tomb guard's M17 pistols
            I've never seen these before... the fucking holster to show it off lmao.

            >There are four pistols issued to the Tomb Guards. Named “Silence” and “Respect,” two are highly polished for daylight hours while “Dignity” and “Perseverance” are matte-black pistols for night duty and bouts of inclement weather.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There's a fine line separating awesome and edge. Americans take themselves too seriously. The British at least have a sense of humour.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._1435_Flight_RAF#Heritage_and_traditions

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I like that naming scheme, having the reserve plane named "Desperation" is extremely fitting one you've lost Faith, Hope, and Charity

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >21 extended magazine because 21 gun salute and 21 steps
              Claps take everything too far.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it looks pretty cool but I'd take it more for a drug dealer's sidearm than anything else. so probably not the vibe they're going for

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tomb guard's M17
          that's straight up pornography

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If I were royalty I'd want my guards to be equipped with the best we can afford but also look as
        this is how child-minded tinpot dictators think, because they are child-like and stupid, and overly emotional and lack self control.
        You are the same as any African warlord that puts 50 fake medals on a fake uniform and demands everyone including civilians salute him.
        It's why you people lose to civilized societies, and to your own savage brethren when they get sick of your shit.
        all sizzle, no steak.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >wanting a ceremonial unit to look the part is apparently moronish now
          How about you stop being stupid and understand that ceremonial units can look distinguished from regular infantry. If they're allowed to wear the silly fur hat and red uniform I think we're far enough removed from practicality that its okay to make their rifles a bit more snazzy

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is your mind on a diet of love island and the kadarshians. Kys.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do they have a real life or do they were the silly hats all the time

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY SHOULD HAVE LE WOODEN GUN LIKE M14
    have a nice day gay amerimutt go back to jerking it to blacked.com

    you have to have a foreskin to post in this thread

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek
      Most countries have ceremonial rifles
      Russia, China, USA, ect.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Most countries
        >mentions three auth shitholes

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And the land of "bin that knoife" and "TV loicense mate" isnt?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          which countries aren't authoritarian shitholes?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/b6Cwq43.jpg

        I don't even think the garden gnomes have Golden Tavors

        Stop trying to push that dumb forced meme "hkwannabee" you oven dodger
        Hk is overpriced but actually good quality, IWI stuff is garbage quality at garden gnome prices bought only by retards and "best allies" maga boomers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      post guns yuropoor 🙂

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >UGG boot
        >ahegao sling
        Anon, if you're going to insult euros, at least have something decent to do it with.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wojak
      scoff

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shiny ceremonial rifles are for tacky third worlders like thailand

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bullpups look aweful

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't even think the garden gnomes have Golden Tavors

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Siam Niyom is the real Judaism

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      those gold tavors bussin fr fr

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that looks dumb

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      THIS POST WAS MADE BY A HERETIC. THERE IS NO MATCH FOR THE EMPERORS BLESSED STEEL ORDAINED BY THE ADEPTUS MECHANICUS THEMSELVES. EXPECT A VISIT FROM THE INQUISITOR SHORTLY FOUL WARP SPAWN.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >40kposting in 2022
        back to plebbit

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they arent a ceremonial guard, they are regular force soldiers there protecting the King.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Amean they're a regular force but that's not their job when they're at royal residences besides in the very literal sense of telling people to back the fuck of the railings. They don't get issued rounds and if you ever asked one they'll all say they've been told they might get them in super special circumstances that their mate Jim was in once. Closest you get to the guard regiments guarding the monarch is in the guard room. Police handle the day to day security.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shiny ceremonial rifles are based and ingerland isn't cool enough for it

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thread for claps that want to see gay inspections and spinny shit

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It makes sense, the UK has had so many different arms in use by their service that picking the latest one seems like the best option.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Historical dress and cutting-edge weapons is the best combination, but they should have weapons as good-quality as their attire. Where are the wood-stocked L85s with burnished barrels and tasteful engravings?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not even historical really it's just their full dress uniform.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the guards only spend 1/5th of their time doing ceremonial duties if their battalion is assigned to it. Familiarity with their main service rifle is an important factor in this as operational units. The queen’s designated pallbearers in the queen’s company 1st Grenadier Guards are in Iraq at the minute for example. God knows who actually ends up carrying her body.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >God knows who actually ends up carrying her body.
      I've heard they Queen will be transorted by gun-carriage pulled by members of the Navy en-route to the chapel etc, whether they actually carry the coffin i'm unsure

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not lowclass, it's meant to show that they're active duty soldiers and not just parade performers.
    The 1853 Enfield was the cutting edge rifle of its time, and the SLR was the new cutting edge rifle of its time. Now the L85 represents the current era.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >L85
      >cutting edge

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's meant to show that they're active duty soldiers and not just parade performers.
      then they should wear combat uniform, preferably with armor and all.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They don't wear combat fatigues for the same reason not all police are dressed like SWAT.
        Though, I think if you combined the traditional guard uniform with some body armor, you could get something cool out of it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >1853 Enfield was cutting Edge of its time
      >Henry Rifle dropped just a few years later in .44 Henry (some would consider it a proper modern cartridge

      Bongs are clearly more retarded than even i thought.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What are PrepHole's thoughts on this ?

    Polymer is ill suited to ceremonial guns. I was slightly disappointed the honor guard used M4s at my grandfather's funereal, I'd hoped for M14s.

    For the Brits it would be neat to see them dust off the Enfields for ceremonies.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was on funeral detail for 18 months when I was active duty and it drove me nuts that we used our clapped out M16’s for funeral detail. I complained a lot about how it was unprofessional, but there was nothing I could do. Trust me anon, most of us feel your pain.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The problem isn't that they use the service rifle, as others have mentioned there are plenty of good reasons for that
    The issue is that the rifle in question is a disgusting piece of shit

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is the queen's/king's guard and this is their service rifle. They are on actual guard duty. Ceremonial branches only larp so they can afford to run around with old rifles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those men do not carry ceremonial rifles because they are not ceremonial troops

      >Not Ceremonial Troops
      >Wears Bear Skin Hat 3 feet high that adds another 20 F to body heat
      What did they mean by this ?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those hats actually had a purpose once.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What was that purpose?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Making you and your mates look tall and hard as fuck when advancing to bayonet the enemy.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >hat so fucking big it can wear a sash across itself

              yeah, they do look pretty fucking amazing ngl

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              specifically, for the Guards: dabbing on frogs because Waterloo

              What was that purpose?

              Deflects downwards saber slashes from cavalry. Allegedly fools lancers into hitting the hat but I doubt. Makes you look BIG and SCARY.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            specifically, for the Guards: dabbing on frogs because Waterloo

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're not ceremonial in the same way the Tomb Guards are. Palace Guards an active military unit that will rotate into combat zones directly after palace duties.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Tomb Guards are
          Old Guard are 100% a functional unit with a briefing and mission to carry out. Nobody's quite sure how far away the rest of the small arms and rocketry are from the Tomb but I'm betting on under 5 minutes, for example.
          the 3rd is also a big part of the Washington command area and regularly deploys battalions overseas and to other parts of the US. Ceremonial and honor guards are one of their functions but they are actual soldiers.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If they don't get hit by a car first. Seriously, they all walk out of a side staff entrance that crosses a road with no pavement expecting vehicles to stop for them. Being hit by a car is the guards' leading cause of injury and death, which is fucking stupid for an active infantry unit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We need to develop powered exoskeletons.
            Not for any practical usage on the field, but so that the Royal Guard will have the strength to shove aside any moving vehicles attempting to impede their route the way they do pedestrians.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those men do not carry ceremonial rifles because they are not ceremonial troops

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While I do like the ol SMLE, actually I can't imagine a bigger flex than the Guard using L85s; it does drive home the sense that these guys aren't just ceremonial, they rotate on ops if necessary

    see: 1982

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer the SLR, but as others have said It's more to do with them being an actual fighting regiment than toy soldiers with shiney things.

    Not sure what they will do when the A2s are all gone though the A3 is a disgusting colour and would look stupid, they already cover the handgaurd to keep the rifle in a relative colour scheme.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Australia uses the SLR as its ceremonial rifle. Which seems weird. If you want trad, just go the SMLE. Or, if you want modern, go Austeyr. SLR just seems like a weird in-between.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When did the Aussies go to a black finish? My 1971 Lithgow is all grey and shit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wooden SLR is Kino

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The drill figures (shoulder, present, rest etc.) just don't work with the AUG, while they do with the SLR. New positions were too hard they are baked into a bunch of formalities just like in your picture - try doing that with an AUG.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These guys are constantly trying to be taken seriously. The actual war rifle almost negates the flamboyant uniform, I think it's a good clash.

      They actually look decent with the leather shrouds, but for god's sake they should've put an all black furniture kit on it at least.

      Yeah but imagine shit goes down inside and they have to use a long ass FAL indoors. They probably chose to switch.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Yeah just put your rifle on the ground in like an organized way
      Cmon, stack arms is a thing. Or can they not do it because their hats would bump into each other

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They should stack hats first. Manual of hats.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is no stack arms in the British drill manual. The movement they are doing in the webm is called ground arms and has been done since the 17th century.

        He's saying they're not gonna be fighting in full dress in London they don't even carry ammunition, there's an armed royal protection unit of the police that handle proper security.

        Pic related is a Irish guardsman using his loaded rifle to man a police post after the London bridge attack.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We're obviously talking about guards in full dress on typical duty.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The whole guard detail isn’t on guard at once, the rest are still in normal working uniform.

            I'm a muhreen n all so I have no room whatsoever to complain about doing stupid shit because it's tradition, but squatting down in dress uniform looks exactly as awkward as I thought

            Fair point.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I said somewhere up the thread there's some in the guardroom but that's it. They only send them out onto the streets in very very certain circumstances to bolster the police. The day to day armed guard duties of the royals is handled by the police.

              Regardless she thread's not talking about people in the guardroom it's talking about the ones on sentry in full dress that don't carry ammunition.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm a muhreen n all so I have no room whatsoever to complain about doing stupid shit because it's tradition, but squatting down in dress uniform looks exactly as awkward as I thought

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are they fucking hip hip hooraying?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        can you fucking lip read?

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the Guard are actually guards for royalty.
    They are equipped to shoot people.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Equipped to shoot people
      >English Gun laws
      >Big Hairy Hats
      Brown Bess would have done nicely for Birtish Subjects

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They don't carry a single round with them, don't be silly

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the King's crowning seems very low class.
    Charlie is a low life

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why Cantona brits just replace l85 with m4 already. Even the French swallowed their pride and are now using German guns

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hard to justify the cost because the L85 good enough as it is and they've been downsizing since operation Herrick ended (most of the MRAP fleet is gone, for example). Some people clearly want it though, ARs are starting to bleed out into SOF-adjacent units like the Marine commandos and the new Ranger regiment, and SFSG and MPs have been using it for a decade. Nobody is going to authorize a whole new force-wide procurement, but individual units are able to sell the idea provided they're specialize enough.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sunk cost fallacy. We were supposed to bin the L85 in 2015 but it was extended because BAE were already working on the L85A3 and we can't disappoint le heckin defence comperinos.
      A lot of squaddies want the Diemaco C8 because they get to play with it in Canada.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If we ever got into a serious war, we'd swap to M4/C8 format so fast it'd make your fucking head spin.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          we wouldn't swap to shit, everyone will still utilize the SA80 until we started to lose the kit to whatever attrition, then we'd supply a UOR for off the shelf purchases whilst we get factories utilised to start developing parts

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean at least it's not the original configuration, I hear they're decent enough now, not the pieces of junk they were with the A1

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's indeed the right way to do it, though I prefer pickelhaube to bear skin myself

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do they have "cosies" over the sight and the foregrip?
    Also (and this is *apparel*ly autistic): Why have a red sash over a red tunic, making it all but redundant/invisible?

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they had muskets, some muzzie or irishman would have blown up the Queen already

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    redcoats look silly.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Quit now, you're not allowed military tradition anymore.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At this point I believe bongs will make SA80 the ceremonial rifle that will last for thousands of years.
    They are in complete denial about how bad it is.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it looks good. Offsets the ceremony with practicality and lethality. I also like that they use the L85 and dont cuck out and use a boring AR.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should be 416s to go with the Mercedes hearse and the kid's Audi FML

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's tradition that the guards parade with their current service rifle. It just unfortunate that the L85 looks like ass

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I personally think L85’s look cool, they just don’t work with ceremonial uniforms. British combat kit generally looks great though, same with the Aussies.
      t. Burger

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're just supposed to be very fancy bodyguards, so they get the latest service weapon to reflect that IIRC.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are a regular army unit which is why they use whatever rifle the rest of the army uses.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That too, kind of like how the Swiss Guard have modern Swiss Army service rifles too.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, not like that. The Swiss Guard is a nonsense unit. The Guards Regiments are regular army units who get deployed with the rest of the Army.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Swiss Guard is made up of Catholic unmarried Swiss males who have received training in the Armed forces of Switzerland. They are all former army, they use what the Swiss forces trained them with too if they need to. While not an official force of Switzerland they are an official Vatican force made up of Swiss Army veterans who use Swiss Army weapons on top of their ceremonial stuff.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I know who they are. They are a nonsense unit.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nonsense unit then?

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DISGUSTING

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The ceremonial guards at Buckingham Palace are actually carrying live ammo in their rifles IIRC.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They do carry live ammo but not in their rifles, to almost completely rule out the risk of an ND.
      If there's an immediate risk to the monarch they do carry live ammo in the rifle, but that's very rare.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I say either carry a rifle fitting for the uniform or find a more modern replacement. I don't understand the obsession with the uniform anyways. Reminds me of a time when the UK was getting shot to shit by Boers.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >when the UK was getting shot to shit by Boers
      >Ambush a few garrison conscripts that are far and lazy from having nothing to do for years
      >Hooray we won, Oranje and whatnot
      >Actual army shows up
      >Boer revolt is now over

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The redcoats got shot to shit in both wars, regardless of unit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Better than getting the family thrown into a concentration camp, then being absorbed into the empire anyway I guess

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Calm your fragile ego, we're talking about the uniforms the UK wore while getting shot to shit during the Boer wars, not the warcrimes they committed afterwards.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sorry man, I was just responding to your edge with abit of reality. Concentration camps happened during the Boer war, right after the Boers ran to the hills and played pre-taliban.
              Uniforms look sweet, l1a1>l85. L129 would be a nice compromise.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wasn't meant to be edgy, I was just pointing out that I've always associated those uniforms to a time period where the British empire was increasingly seeing loses and casualties on the battlefield.
                Never said they looked bad either, and if it wasn't for the fact that they do have to carry a practical rifle, I'd say the Long Tom Enfield's would look good.
                Honestly I think they should just carry the L119. I understand it's not a British rifle but it would look better than the L85.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do Americans have such an obsession with the Boers

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're familiar with British oppression. It's also one of the few cases in history of truly black and white.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's also one of the few cases in history of truly black and white.
          You're a fucking idiot and you don't know our history. The Free State government was actively engaged in persecution of uitlanders, to the point of depriving them of their legally purchased property. I'm not saying the bongs were the good guys, but there's a lot more grey than you realise.
          It baffles me that Americans speak so confidently about other people's history all the time when they know so little.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It baffles me that Americans speak so confidently about other people's history all the time when they know so little.
            That's nothing, have a read of the next IRA thread to see the most retarded posts spoken in such a way you would think they were their during the troubles.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >SLRs for the King's crowning seems very low class. Where are the perfectly preserved Baker Rifles ? Pattern 1853s ?

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those are operational weapons. They same issued weapons they use at the range or deployment, just with sights removed.

    Its incredibly homo to have a ceremonial rifle. It means you're trying to hard. Im looking at you US army.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like how you keep repeating this as if someone cares. They don’t have ammo, they would be more functional with a Sergeant’s Pike

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    England is full of cucks, no ceremonial rifles but plenty of panties for the boys.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're real soldiers, so they carry real weapons. A lot of them have served combat tours. Its a post you volunteer for and rotate into for a time, its not a separate LARP unit like military bands.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US keeps m14's around for ceremonial purposes. A lot of countries no longer use guns with any wood, but wood guns are kept around for exactly that reason, they look classy. England wanted to only use one gun, and I think that reason is because those dudes are the actual palace guards. There are other dudes dressed differently around, but for the most part if you fuck around at the palace thise dudes will come out dressed like that and fuck back. They want them to have their actual fighting rifle, not something they aren't trained on or that's seen as less practical. Given that they operate half indoors, a bullpup is handy. They should come up with a wood kit for it though or have polished ones. They already look like easy to spot fags, might as well give them shiny rifles with wood kits.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I own a musket for home defense, since that's what good King George.
    >Four Terrorists break into the palace. "What the devil?" As I grab my Bearskin hat and Brown Bess Musket.
    >Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot.
    >Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the Queen's Corgi.
    >I have to resort to the Blomfield cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "HIP HIP, HOORAY" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms.
    >Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion.
    >He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up.
    >Just as King George intended.

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit. This whole time I thought Monty Python was making that shit up

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since the UK is just a sad and sometimes ridiculous shadow of its former self the L85 is fitting. Just as pathetic as whats left from the former empire.
    A country whose capital has about 65% inhabitants whose skin color is not the native one doesn't deserve better.
    Pic related. The cradle of industrialization ddoesn't even have a locally built hearse but has to rely on a german car of all brands.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >65%
      Those are US numbers you fucking retard, the UK is statistically still very white despite all the pictures you see on 4chan. Especially out of the population centers. And Scotland is more than 95% white, the only place whiter than Scotland in Europe is Poland

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US tomb guards only have like 4 guys on duty at a time so issuing old rifles and anime pistols to seem more traditional is relatively simple and cheap.

    To do the same for the guards would mean doing that for an entire brigade.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes the crushing expense of maintaining five thousand rifles that they already have in storage somewhere is too much for the small and impoverished nation of Britainm

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the point is that its a different level of public spending. 5,000 rifles is enough where you would actually have to justify that it was in any way a worthwhile expense beyond "General Whingus doesn't like how modern rifles look on parade"

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