Does Australia have the second best air force in the world?

They have more F35s than any nation other than the US and its not really close

US: 302 F35A + 112 F35B + 30 F35C
Australia: 63 F35A
South Korea: 39 F35A
Israel: 38 F35A + 1 F35A Testbed
Japan: 34 F35A
UK: 34 F35B
Netherlands: 31 F35A + 8 F35A Trainers
Italy: 24 F35A + 6 F35B
Norway: 24 F35A + 10 F35A Trainers
Denmark: 4 F35A + 10 F35A Trainers
Belgium: 1 F35A

Other countries approved/ordered:
Canada
Czech Republic
Finland
Greece
Germany
Poland
Romania
Singapore
Switzerland

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, the US Navy does

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

      Wrong. The US Navy only has 30 F35Cs, Australia has 63 F35As

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They've got another 15 trainers and they were expecting another dozen or two this year.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Total lifecycle target of is grossly underestimated, the US alone is getting 2000+ F35s eventually, the rest of the world will probably buy at least another 1000 units

          Trainers are not the same as operational in service units, any talk of "future" deliveries is pure delusional cope, every country will likely buy a lot more F35s and with "expected" soon, there are over 400+ F35s at a minimum to be sold outside of the US

          As of today Australia has the second strongest air force in the world

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is why I think we're going to end up with another carrier eventually, even though our government would never want to announce it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Marines have some active F-35C's too with 2 squadrons.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/XEkaTEf.png

        They have more F35s than any nation other than the US and its not really close

        US: 302 F35A + 112 F35B + 30 F35C
        Australia: 63 F35A
        South Korea: 39 F35A
        Israel: 38 F35A + 1 F35A Testbed
        Japan: 34 F35A
        UK: 34 F35B
        Netherlands: 31 F35A + 8 F35A Trainers
        Italy: 24 F35A + 6 F35B
        Norway: 24 F35A + 10 F35A Trainers
        Denmark: 4 F35A + 10 F35A Trainers
        Belgium: 1 F35A

        Other countries approved/ordered:
        Canada
        Czech Republic
        Finland
        Greece
        Germany
        Poland
        Romania
        Singapore
        Switzerland

        fighters are fine but what is their airlift capacity?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          8 x C17's, 12 x C-130's and 10 x C-27's

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      USMC Aviation is unironically superior to US Navy. Navy has 400 hornets + 30 F-35, USMC has 130 F-35 with 300 on order, + 140 Hornets + 90 Harriers. The USMC Air Wing is moronicly large for the size of the USMC as a whole and it’s where the majority of their budget goes, it needs to be scaled back massively.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >USMC has 130 F-35
        So this is why they can't afford tanks anymore

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And considering the fact they can only take 8 F-35s on a MEU at once, they have absolutely no reason to operate 130.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do the Marines only operate aircraft off their own ships? I thought they rented carrier space from the Navy.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              And considering the fact they can only take 8 F-35s on a MEU at once, they have absolutely no reason to operate 130.

              I believe one of the 9 carrier air wings has a squadron of marine fighters with F-35Cs, and another squadron of marine fighters are transitioning to F-35Cs but are not currently assigned to a carrier air wing.

              They were also the first active F-35C squadron to operate off an aircraft carrier, and one of only 2 F-35C squadrons currently assigned to an airwing.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          USMC Aviation is unironically superior to US Navy. Navy has 400 hornets + 30 F-35, USMC has 130 F-35 with 300 on order, + 140 Hornets + 90 Harriers. The USMC Air Wing is moronicly large for the size of the USMC as a whole and it’s where the majority of their budget goes, it needs to be scaled back massively.

          >The USMC Air Wing is
          subsidising the carrier wings, silly

          In a logical world the USMC budget should be cut back and the USN would get the money so they can buy the F-35s they need. But in clown world the USMC refuses to give up their share of the budget, so instead the USMC buys carrier F-35 squadrons and everybody pretends there's a difference.

          Well that's because the USMC got finessed by NAVAIR into becoming just another set of carrier air wings, and all their useless LHAs becoming escort carriers. The entire F-35 program was the Navy tricking the USAF and USMC into doubling the number of their aircraft carriers and bringing the flying leathernecks into a functional place in the overall naval order of battle.

          >the USMC got finessed by NAVAIR into becoming just another set of carrier air wings
          see above
          >all their useless LHAs becoming escort carriers
          No, that was the Marines being idiots
          I don't know about you but I'm old enough to remember when the USMC said that seaborne ship-to-shore was dead and it would all be helicopterborne from now on. Hence the America and Tripoli.
          Then they realised the air defence threat and logistics bottleneck both was much worse than they had calculated, and backtracked hard. Hence the Bougainville etc.

          Do the Marines only operate aircraft off their own ships? I thought they rented carrier space from the Navy.

          They also operate F-35Bs off their amphibs

          And considering the fact they can only take 8 F-35s on a MEU at once, they have absolutely no reason to operate 130.

          an MEU is not a ship.
          operating F-35Bs from expeditionary airfields is a very good way to quickly bring in air support to an amphibious force.
          it had actually been planned to do so in 1982, only the Atlantic Conveyor which had been carrying the runway material ate an Exocet.

          but I admit, it's difficult to understand why between the Navy and the USMC, there are currently 350 F-35Cs and 350 F-35Bs on order
          if the Navy wants to field a dozen carrier wings, each of around fifty F-35Cs, then they need 600 F-35Cs
          maybe they're waiting to order more later?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the Navy wants to field a dozen carrier wings, each of around fifty F-35Cs
            F/A-XX replaces the F/A-18E not F-35C is a stopgap solution and long term will be the "cheap" option compared to F/A-XX

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >F-35C is a stopgap solution and long term will be the "cheap" option compared to F/A-XX
              maybe that's the answer

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                3rd largest DoD black budget R&D program at the moment. F/A-XX is clearly the new hotness for the navy. It'll just be ~10 years before they enter production.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >3rd largest DoD black budget R&D program
                stop stop I can only get so erect

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well that's because the USMC got finessed by NAVAIR into becoming just another set of carrier air wings, and all their useless LHAs becoming escort carriers. The entire F-35 program was the Navy tricking the USAF and USMC into doubling the number of their aircraft carriers and bringing the flying leathernecks into a functional place in the overall naval order of battle.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        USAF is largest airforce, USN is second largest, USMC is fifth largest

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of countries are waiting on TR-3 software approval before accepting F-35 deliveries, Lockheed apparently has dozens of finished planes sitting in storage because they're TR-3 hardware, but the software hasn't been approved for use yet.

    Japan for example is waiting on like 110 more F-35s but they're likey happy to wait longer if they get later production blocks with better capability.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong, only the USAF has ordered block 4 F-35 deliveries. Yes there are planes in storage, they are not for "A lot of countries". Everyone always understood they'd be ordering block 3s for a long time. For instance your example of F-35s to Japan is wrong because Japan planned to buy 45 F-35s and then separately order another 100, with a gap between the orders of several years.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >only the USAF has ordered block 4 F-35 deliveries
        Wrong
        Block 4 includes features which are already currently operational on Allied aircraft such as automatic GCAS, and the UK will be relying heavily on Block 4 for Meteor and SPEAR. Most countries probably will retrofit Block 4 because its EW capabilities are crucial.

        https://i.imgur.com/XEkaTEf.png

        They have more F35s than any nation other than the US and its not really close

        US: 302 F35A + 112 F35B + 30 F35C
        Australia: 63 F35A
        South Korea: 39 F35A
        Israel: 38 F35A + 1 F35A Testbed
        Japan: 34 F35A
        UK: 34 F35B
        Netherlands: 31 F35A + 8 F35A Trainers
        Italy: 24 F35A + 6 F35B
        Norway: 24 F35A + 10 F35A Trainers
        Denmark: 4 F35A + 10 F35A Trainers
        Belgium: 1 F35A

        Other countries approved/ordered:
        Canada
        Czech Republic
        Finland
        Greece
        Germany
        Poland
        Romania
        Singapore
        Switzerland

        F-35s are nice but they're not the only metric of an Air Force's capabilities.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean, he's right in saying the USAF is the only customer that has CONFIRMED publicly they're deferring deliveries for later Block 4 deliveries. But yeah, I have to imagine more than a few of the current pending orders are for Block 4 aircraft it's just not being explicitly stated. Not to mention as you said upgrades to existing airframes.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Every customer waiting for F-35s is essentially waiting for Block 4, because TR3 was meant to be production standard as of last year. But the distinction between that and "btw I'm deliberately not buying till block 4 is operational" is barely relevant IMHO.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              These Block upgrades sound like a fricking scam, like DLC in Vidya and how apple releases iphones

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Wrong
          Nope, you are wrong. UK has ordered exactly zero block 4 F-35s and knew they wouldn't for years.
          >Most countries probably will retrofit Block 4 because its EW capabilities are crucial.
          No, you do not get to change the subject or move the goalposts. This doesn't mean anything in relation to this:
          >A lot of countries are waiting on TR-3 software approval before accepting F-35 deliveries
          There are no air forces that have ordered block 4 F-35s except the USAF. Fact. They are not waiting on a software upgrade, they're waiting on their usual procurement practices, which is going to take years.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >UK has ordered exactly zero block 4 F-35s and knew they wouldn't for years.
            https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/03/21/f-35-delivery-delays-frustrate-european-air-force-upgrade-plans/
            UK and Norway were both expecting to have TR-3 F-35s both delivered AND operational by 2025. TR-3 was supposed to begin delivery in 2023 to make this happen.
            You are an ignorant fool.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We are talking about air forces as of today only, LM plans to sell over 1000+ F35s during its life cycle but less than 600 are operational in service

    Australia F35s are all F35A the best version

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but less than 600 are operational in service
      try 12% of 600

      thats how many are in "operational service" outside of being over-priced trainers

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It's crazy to think my tiny ass country will have more F-35's than fricking Australia, when we get them starting next year.
        lmfao, and you will have precisely ZERO parts to go with them! enjoy your first few flight hours, thats ALL your going to get
        >no refunds!

        go home baguette, you're drunk

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          >screaming autism

          these posts have convinced me the f35 is infact a very strong airplane, with a vast parts supply, and it is definitely not a boondoggle designed to enslave foreign military's

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            glad we're on the same page

            Why the frick do you think it is a frog when this board is being raided by vatBlack folk?

            because Russian aircraft sales in current year are a complete non starter

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Okay?
              And you think they care?
              They watch "Australia ditches F35 program for Su-34s" on RT and think "russia stronk", they don't fricking care about facts.
              It ain't frogs.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why the frick do you think it is a frog when this board is being raided by vatBlack folk?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It's crazy to think my tiny ass country will have more F-35's than fricking Australia, when we get them starting next year.
        lmfao, and you will have precisely ZERO parts to go with them! enjoy your first few flight hours, thats ALL your going to get
        >no refunds!

        >screaming autism

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Australia is limited in that it has no airfield to actually provide meaningful combat air cover to their naval assets.
      Their navy is gimped because F35's can't get to where they are or stay around for long.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        we have RAAF Butterworth in Malaysia, silly

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > israel population 10 million with a better air force and more F35s than uk, japan or italy

    Gcap sisters not like this

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/XEkaTEf.png

      They have more F35s than any nation other than the US and its not really close

      US: 302 F35A + 112 F35B + 30 F35C
      Australia: 63 F35A
      South Korea: 39 F35A
      Israel: 38 F35A + 1 F35A Testbed
      Japan: 34 F35A
      UK: 34 F35B
      Netherlands: 31 F35A + 8 F35A Trainers
      Italy: 24 F35A + 6 F35B
      Norway: 24 F35A + 10 F35A Trainers
      Denmark: 4 F35A + 10 F35A Trainers
      Belgium: 1 F35A

      Other countries approved/ordered:
      Canada
      Czech Republic
      Finland
      Greece
      Germany
      Poland
      Romania
      Singapore
      Switzerland

      Japan has 39 at the moment, serial number 40 pic related, and they've lost 1 (serial number 79-8705)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > nipshill weeb troony on cue like clockwork with delusional fakenews

        You fricking moron interpreting cryptic serial numbers has nothing to do with confirmed Operational In Service F35s, Australia has 63 OPERATIONAL IN SERVICE F35s, Japan has 34 since one was lost when the jap pilot killed himself blacking out on a training flight and wrecked the unit

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao how fricking delusional are you?

          https://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-35/serials-and-inventory/airforce/JASDF/

          There are pictures of ALL 40 Japanese F-35s and their serial numbers.

          It has been 4 months since the picture of the 39th (serial number 40) was taken in Nagoya, even if it isn't in active service yet, it's clearly not far from it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            We doing this again nipshill weeb troony?

            This is operational in service only...who the frick knows what the operational rollout schedule is for every fricking country that operates the F35, so some aussie nerd saw some pictures with another 20 F35s on a runway in Australia so they actually have 80+ units, I heard that there were some F35s spotted in the Czech Republic too actually lets give them credit for having operational in service F35s

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >actual photo evidence is equal to some nerd claiming they saw something
              hey, if that's what you want to believe.

              Also, now that you can't jerk off south Korea you've started sucking off aussies? Pick a fricking lane.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Special friends get special deals otherwise the chosen people will get mad and politicians will be antisemitic and unelectable

      https://i.imgur.com/PIrt5Gh.png

      [...]
      Japan has 39 at the moment, serial number 40 pic related, and they've lost 1 (serial number 79-8705)

      >and they've lost 1
      how?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Crashed into the sea in 2019.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          imagine crashing such a ride

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >assembled by Mitsbishi
            The Kamikaze spirit is strong in this factory.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              breastsubishi

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            shit happens, also considering how faulty the firsts f-35 were, I bet the fault was more inclined to the f-35 tho

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The descent rate of the last 15 seconds was 58000 ft/min or 11000 km/h. During this descent, the voice tone of the pilot's radio communication was calm, and there was no indication of a bail-out attempt.
            km/h
            Typo I know but the mental image of a Japanese pilot calmly plowing into the sea at close to mach 9 made me kek. The bushido spirit lives!

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The only F35 casualty ever

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Crashed into the sea in 2019.

        pilot probably lost spatial awareness during low visibility flight. after that incident the US made a big deal about putting auto gcas in the F-35.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      As recent events have shown the situation they occupy is inherently unstable, it's obvious why they'd receive priority deliveries.

      https://i.imgur.com/Ct0MdEQ.png

      > nipshill weeb troony on cue like clockwork with delusional fakenews

      You fricking moron interpreting cryptic serial numbers has nothing to do with confirmed Operational In Service F35s, Australia has 63 OPERATIONAL IN SERVICE F35s, Japan has 34 since one was lost when the jap pilot killed himself blacking out on a training flight and wrecked the unit

      >asiaticshill
      Now the seething makes sense.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Australia's 72nd F-35 was spotted a few days ago in texas.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Still think F-35 was an odd choice for Switzerland. Literally all they wanted a jet for is air policing right?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Suggest an alternative.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No. They wanted fighters to defend the country. When you're a neutral state, your defense is entirely dependent on you. No one else. Switzerland is historically very well armed for a tiny nation. Arguably the F-35 is mandatory because comparatively every other fighter has worse sensors and data links, really only the Rafale was otherwise a reasonable choice.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What else would they buy? Overpriced and substandard frog garbage? It's not like there's a lot of competition.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's crazy to think my tiny ass country will have more F-35's than fricking Australia, when we get them starting next year.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's crazy to think my tiny ass country will have more F-35's than fricking Australia, when we get them starting next year.
      lmfao, and you will have precisely ZERO parts to go with them! enjoy your first few flight hours, thats ALL your going to get
      >no refunds!

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Belgium: 1 F35A
    I don't even know why they would need an airforce to begin with but ONE plane sounds like a Belgian joke.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They bought 34, only 1 was delivered.

      This is also why OPs tantrum is laughable, he counts some countries that have airframes that have been delivered as "in service" but for japan even with pictures of the airframes flying in japan those don't count as "in service".

      But yea, Belgium has an F-35 in texas they're using for training with 34 total on order.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    F35s are top of the food chain, but the F16 is arguably the best 4th gen:

    F16Vs or equivalent:
    South Korea: 134
    Greece: 123
    Turkey: 120
    Taiwan: 66
    Bahrain: 39
    Slovakia: 14
    Bulgaria: 8

    All F16 variants including the F16V or equivalent:

    US: 875
    Israel: 313
    Turkey: 235
    Egypt: 218
    South Korea: 167
    Greece: 151
    Taiwan: 114
    Japan: 87 (F2)
    UAE: 78
    Pakistan: 75
    Jordan: 72
    Singapore: 60
    Thailand: 51
    Morocco: 48
    Chile: 46
    Bahrain: 39
    Iraq: 34
    Indonesia: 33
    Denmark: 30
    Portugal: 24
    Morocco: 48
    Oman: 22
    Romania: 20
    Venezuela: 15
    Slovakia: 14
    Poland: 12
    Bulgaria: 8

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those F-16V numbers aren't accurate. Those are upgrade kits ordered + airframes ordered, not actual delivered or upgrades completed.

      South Korea for example doesn't expect to finish their F-16 Block 70/72 upgrades until late 2025.

      AFAIK, only Taiwan has their full 66 F-16V equivalents.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Bulgaria F16s have not been delivered yet

      This list looks like the confirmed F16Vs either operational or approved/purchased

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the F16 is arguably the best 4th gen
      Not really, that'd go to one of the eurodoritos. Better kinematics (energy retention through maneuvers most importantly) + meteor missiles makes it an easy comparison. Modern A2A engagements are little more than BVR missile lobbing and in that situation only the missile and kinematics really matter.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      4th gens are pointless in a modern war with modern air defense, like flying bi planes in WW2

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    How the frick can it be operational in service if the only belgian F-35 is currently in fricking texas for training purposes?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The UK has at least 4 F35Bs in the US too but are still categorized as operational and in service

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My point is, Belgium does NOT consider their single-delivered F-35 to be operational and in service.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    F15s:

    US: 2 F15EX + 219 F15E + 149 F15C
    Saudi Arabia: 210 F15E + 21 F15D
    Japan: 200 F15 C/D
    Israel: 66 F15 A/B + 25 F15 C/D
    Singapore: 60 F15E
    South Korea: 59 F15E
    Qatar: 33 F15E

    F15EX > F15E > F15C/D > F15A/B

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Japan has bought 98 F-15JSI (F-15EX) upgrade kits

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Nipshill weeb troony ready with every alleged rumor whether true or false

        So have a lot of other air forces and if we count bought/upgrade kits than the US figure is a fricking lot more than 2 F15EX you fricking weebtard, this is for current operational in service only

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is asiaticshill a bogan now

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      mental illness probably.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tragic

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eurofighter/Rafale/Gripen:

    Germany: 141 (EF)
    UK: 137 (EF)
    France: 100 (RF)
    Italy: 94 (EF)
    Sweden: 74 (GP)
    Saudi Arabia: 71 (EF)
    Spain: 68 (EF)
    India: 36 (RF)
    Qatar: 36 (RF)
    South Africa: 26 (GP)
    Egypt: 24 (RF)
    Greece: 18 (RF)
    Austria: 15 (EF)
    Czech Republic: 12 (GP)
    Hungary: 12 (GP)
    Oman: 12 (EF)
    Thailand: 11 (GP)
    Brazil: 7 (GP)
    Croatia: 6 (RF)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >France: 100 (RF)
      more like 200
      my respect to those who bought the gripen, by far the best option when you don't plan to go full nuclear holocaust.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Does Australia have the second best air force in the world?
    lmao, it's not even amongst the top 10

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > name three air forces that are better excluding the US

      And yet they have more F35s than any other country other than the US

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >how many piece of shit f35's you were conned into buying now determines how ~~*good*~~ your airforce is OR isnt
        the absolute state of the "west"

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          There is no other standard and if there was it certainly would not be yours.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Best air forces:

    5th gen operators:
    US: 446 5th gen + 1245 4th gen
    Australia: 63 5th gen
    South Korea: 39 5th gen + 226 4th gen
    Israel: 38 5th gen + 404 4th gen
    Japan: 34 5th gen + 287 4th gen
    UK: 34 5th gen + 137 4th gen
    Netherlands: 31 5th gen
    Italy: 30 5th gen + 94 4th gen
    Norway: 24 5th gen
    Denmark: 4 5th gen
    Belgium: 1 5th gen

    4th gen only operators:
    Saudi Arabia: 302 4th gen
    Turkey: 235 4th gen
    Greece: 169 4th gen
    Germany: 141 4th gen
    Singapore: 120 4th gen
    Taiwan: 114 4th gen
    UAE: 78 4th gen
    Pakistan: 75 4th gen
    Sweden: 74 4th gen
    Jordan: 72 4th gen
    Qatar: 69 4th gen
    Spain: 68 4th gen
    Thailand: 62 4th gen
    Morocco: 48 4th gen
    Chile: 46 4th gen
    Bahrain: 39 4th gen
    India: 36 4th gen
    Iraq: 34 4th gen
    Indonesia: 33 4th gen
    Denmark: 30 4th gen
    South Africa: 26 4th gen
    Egypt: 24 4th gen
    Portugal: 24 4th gen
    Oman: 22 4th gen
    Romania: 20 4th gen
    Austria: 15 4th gen
    Venezuela: 15 4th gen
    Slovakia: 14 4th gen
    Czech Republic: 12 4th gen
    Hungary: 12 4th gen
    Poland: 12 4th gen
    Bulgaria: 8 4th gen
    Brazil: 7 4th gen
    Croatia: 6 4th gen

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This time include the frogs, France only has 100 Rafales operational in service:

      Best air forces:

      5th gen operators:
      US: 446 5th gen + 1245 4th gen
      Australia: 63 5th gen
      South Korea: 39 5th gen + 226 4th gen
      Israel: 38 5th gen + 404 4th gen
      Japan: 34 5th gen + 287 4th gen
      UK: 34 5th gen + 137 4th gen
      Netherlands: 31 5th gen
      Italy: 30 5th gen + 94 4th gen
      Norway: 24 5th gen
      Denmark: 4 5th gen
      Belgium: 1 5th gen

      4th gen only operators:
      Saudi Arabia: 302 4th gen
      Turkey: 235 4th gen
      Greece: 169 4th gen
      Germany: 141 4th gen
      Singapore: 120 4th gen
      Taiwan: 114 4th gen
      France: 100 4th gen
      UAE: 78 4th gen
      Pakistan: 75 4th gen
      Sweden: 74 4th gen
      Jordan: 72 4th gen
      Qatar: 69 4th gen
      Spain: 68 4th gen
      Thailand: 62 4th gen
      Morocco: 48 4th gen
      Chile: 46 4th gen
      Bahrain: 39 4th gen
      India: 36 4th gen
      Iraq: 34 4th gen
      Indonesia: 33 4th gen
      Denmark: 30 4th gen
      South Africa: 26 4th gen
      Egypt: 24 4th gen
      Portugal: 24 4th gen
      Oman: 22 4th gen
      Romania: 20 4th gen
      Austria: 15 4th gen
      Venezuela: 15 4th gen
      Slovakia: 14 4th gen
      Czech Republic: 12 4th gen
      Hungary: 12 4th gen
      Poland: 12 4th gen
      Bulgaria: 8 4th gen
      Brazil: 7 4th gen
      Croatia: 6 4th gen

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >France
        come now
        France has 42 Rafale M, 95 Rafale B/C, and 94 Mirage 2000-5/B/D

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Best air forces:

        5th gen operators:
        US: 446 5th gen + 1245 4th gen
        Australia: 63 5th gen
        South Korea: 39 5th gen + 226 4th gen
        Israel: 38 5th gen + 404 4th gen
        Japan: 34 5th gen + 287 4th gen
        UK: 34 5th gen + 137 4th gen
        Netherlands: 31 5th gen
        Italy: 30 5th gen + 94 4th gen
        Norway: 24 5th gen
        Denmark: 4 5th gen
        Belgium: 1 5th gen

        4th gen only operators:
        Saudi Arabia: 302 4th gen
        Turkey: 235 4th gen
        Greece: 169 4th gen
        Germany: 141 4th gen
        Singapore: 120 4th gen
        Taiwan: 114 4th gen
        UAE: 78 4th gen
        Pakistan: 75 4th gen
        Sweden: 74 4th gen
        Jordan: 72 4th gen
        Qatar: 69 4th gen
        Spain: 68 4th gen
        Thailand: 62 4th gen
        Morocco: 48 4th gen
        Chile: 46 4th gen
        Bahrain: 39 4th gen
        India: 36 4th gen
        Iraq: 34 4th gen
        Indonesia: 33 4th gen
        Denmark: 30 4th gen
        South Africa: 26 4th gen
        Egypt: 24 4th gen
        Portugal: 24 4th gen
        Oman: 22 4th gen
        Romania: 20 4th gen
        Austria: 15 4th gen
        Venezuela: 15 4th gen
        Slovakia: 14 4th gen
        Czech Republic: 12 4th gen
        Hungary: 12 4th gen
        Poland: 12 4th gen
        Bulgaria: 8 4th gen
        Brazil: 7 4th gen
        Croatia: 6 4th gen

        Are you moronic Black folk pretending that Denmark or Netherlands is superior to something like Saudis or France just because they have F-35s?

        /k/ is a Lockheed Martin board, so it seems.

        Apparently it is.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why not include Australian fourth gen then?

      Also I don't understand the seethe itt. It makes sense for Australia to have a shitload (relatively to most countries and for our population) of advanced fighters. We are supposed to be a quick, responsive threat.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This time include the frogs, France only has 100 Rafales operational in service:

        Best air forces:

        5th gen operators:
        US: 446 5th gen + 1245 4th gen
        Australia: 63 5th gen
        South Korea: 39 5th gen + 226 4th gen
        Israel: 38 5th gen + 404 4th gen
        Japan: 34 5th gen + 287 4th gen
        UK: 34 5th gen + 137 4th gen
        Netherlands: 31 5th gen
        Italy: 30 5th gen + 94 4th gen
        Norway: 24 5th gen
        Denmark: 4 5th gen
        Belgium: 1 5th gen

        4th gen only operators:
        Saudi Arabia: 302 4th gen
        Turkey: 235 4th gen
        Greece: 169 4th gen
        Germany: 141 4th gen
        Singapore: 120 4th gen
        Taiwan: 114 4th gen
        France: 100 4th gen
        UAE: 78 4th gen
        Pakistan: 75 4th gen
        Sweden: 74 4th gen
        Jordan: 72 4th gen
        Qatar: 69 4th gen
        Spain: 68 4th gen
        Thailand: 62 4th gen
        Morocco: 48 4th gen
        Chile: 46 4th gen
        Bahrain: 39 4th gen
        India: 36 4th gen
        Iraq: 34 4th gen
        Indonesia: 33 4th gen
        Denmark: 30 4th gen
        South Africa: 26 4th gen
        Egypt: 24 4th gen
        Portugal: 24 4th gen
        Oman: 22 4th gen
        Romania: 20 4th gen
        Austria: 15 4th gen
        Venezuela: 15 4th gen
        Slovakia: 14 4th gen
        Czech Republic: 12 4th gen
        Hungary: 12 4th gen
        Poland: 12 4th gen
        Bulgaria: 8 4th gen
        Brazil: 7 4th gen
        Croatia: 6 4th gen

        Australia has 24 F/A-18F's and 12 F/A-18G's

        And they've finished production and first flight testing on the remaining F-35s and should have all 72 already, or very soon.

        So that's 108 total 4th or 5th gen airframes.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This time include the frogs, France only has 100 Rafales operational in service:

      Best air forces:

      5th gen operators:
      US: 446 5th gen + 1245 4th gen
      Australia: 63 5th gen
      South Korea: 39 5th gen + 226 4th gen
      Israel: 38 5th gen + 404 4th gen
      Japan: 34 5th gen + 287 4th gen
      UK: 34 5th gen + 137 4th gen
      Netherlands: 31 5th gen
      Italy: 30 5th gen + 94 4th gen
      Norway: 24 5th gen
      Denmark: 4 5th gen
      Belgium: 1 5th gen

      4th gen only operators:
      Saudi Arabia: 302 4th gen
      Turkey: 235 4th gen
      Greece: 169 4th gen
      Germany: 141 4th gen
      Singapore: 120 4th gen
      Taiwan: 114 4th gen
      France: 100 4th gen
      UAE: 78 4th gen
      Pakistan: 75 4th gen
      Sweden: 74 4th gen
      Jordan: 72 4th gen
      Qatar: 69 4th gen
      Spain: 68 4th gen
      Thailand: 62 4th gen
      Morocco: 48 4th gen
      Chile: 46 4th gen
      Bahrain: 39 4th gen
      India: 36 4th gen
      Iraq: 34 4th gen
      Indonesia: 33 4th gen
      Denmark: 30 4th gen
      South Africa: 26 4th gen
      Egypt: 24 4th gen
      Portugal: 24 4th gen
      Oman: 22 4th gen
      Romania: 20 4th gen
      Austria: 15 4th gen
      Venezuela: 15 4th gen
      Slovakia: 14 4th gen
      Czech Republic: 12 4th gen
      Hungary: 12 4th gen
      Poland: 12 4th gen
      Bulgaria: 8 4th gen
      Brazil: 7 4th gen
      Croatia: 6 4th gen

      Please stop listing Belgium with that one plane lmao it's humiliating.
      >sortie rate?
      >uh wait I'm searchin the phone number of the pilot

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Again, it's in texas anyway, not in belgium, the fact he lists it just shows his own moronation

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Please stop listing Belgium with that one plane lmao it's humiliating.
      >sortie rate?
      >uh wait I'm searchin the phone number of the pilot

      [...]
      Are you moronic Black folk pretending that Denmark or Netherlands is superior to something like Saudis or France just because they have F-35s?
      [...]
      Apparently it is.

      >GEKOLONISEERD

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know, the fact that Australia has the first dedicated wingman in the Ghostbat should count for something as well.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It would if the Ghostbat was anywhere near operational status.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Close enough that it woke Japan, Korea and the US the frick up. Were we in an official conflict you bet they would be deployed. They are all armed. They are all flying.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Close enough that it woke Japan, Korea and the US the frick up. Were we in an official conflict you bet they would be deployed. They are all armed. They are all flying.

        They announced that there was funding going to another 4 made as developments continue, I think its a fairly decent prospect once they come up with a setup that the RAAF is ok with running. Mostly because its pretty rare to see an AI, autonomous system like this that's actually not got a lot of hype but seems to be working fairly well.
        About the only thing that holds Australia back is they need larger stocks of munitions, missiles for the aircraft because the AWACS and air-refueling is fairly decent

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >UK: 34 F35B
    Grim

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not sure where he's getting his numbers from.

      The UK has 32 F-35Bs. And one of those might not be back in service after being involved in a minor mishap back in 2023.
      The 18th airframe was also lost back in 2021. So 34 would include 1 airframe that was written off, and another airframe that was involved in a mishap earlier in 2023 that may or may not be in current active service, and a mystery airframe he made up.

      Luckily though 34, 35, 36, and 37 are expected to be put into service sometime around June/July as 3 of the 4 have been spotted flying in texas before being handed off to the UK who will then spend a few weeks/months doing testing/acceptance shit before putting them into a squadron.

      So the UK currently has 31 or 32 F-35Bs, and should have the next 4 in service within a few months.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you think the strength of one's airforce is how many F-35s it has?
    State your IQ.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      /k/ is a Lockheed Martin board, so it seems.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fixed list with all 4th gen fighters, only western/nato fighter jets counted:

    5th gen operators:
    US: 446 5th gen + 1923 4th gen
    Australia: 63 5th gen + 36 4th gen
    South Korea: 39 5th gen + 286 4th gen
    Israel: 38 5th gen + 404 4th gen
    Japan: 34 5th gen + 287 4th gen
    UK: 31 5th gen + 137 4th gen
    Netherlands: 31 5th gen
    Italy: 30 5th gen + 94 4th gen
    Norway: 24 5th gen
    Denmark: 4 5th gen
    Belgium: 1 5th gen

    4th gen only operators:
    Saudi Arabia: 302 4th gen
    Turkey: 235 4th gen
    Greece: 169 4th gen
    Germany: 141 4th gen
    Singapore: 120 4th gen
    Taiwan: 114 4th gen
    France: 100 4th gen
    Canada: 86 4th gen
    UAE: 78 4th gen
    Pakistan: 75 4th gen
    Sweden: 74 4th gen
    Jordan: 72 4th gen
    Qatar: 69 4th gen
    Spain: 153 4th gen
    Finland: 62 4th gen
    Thailand: 62 4th gen
    Iraq: 58 4th gen
    Morocco: 48 4th gen
    Chile: 46 4th gen
    Kuwait: 39 4th gen
    Bahrain: 39 4th gen
    Indonesia: 39 4th gen
    India: 36 4th gen
    Denmark: 30 4th gen
    Switzerland: 30 4th gen
    South Africa: 26 4th gen
    Egypt: 24 4th gen
    Portugal: 24 4th gen
    Poland: 24 4th gen
    Oman: 22 4th gen
    Romania: 20 4th gen
    Austria: 15 4th gen
    Venezuela: 15 4th gen
    Slovakia: 14 4th gen
    Czech Republic: 12 4th gen
    Hungary: 12 4th gen
    Philippines: 12 4th gen
    Bulgaria: 8 4th gen
    Malaysia: 8 4th gen
    Brazil: 7 4th gen
    Croatia: 6 4th gen

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > South Korea: 39 5th gen + 286 4th gen
      this includes 49 F-16D trainers, and 60 FA-50's which can only do ground attack, none have radar or a2a missile capabilities.
      >Japan: 34 5th gen + 287 4th gen
      This number also includes ~45 F-15 and ~25 F-2 trainers that aren't combat-capable.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >49 F-16D trainers
        F-16D is a fully functional jet with all the capability of its single seat counterpart, save for a missing fuel tank where the second wienerpit goes. This one shot down a MiG-25 during operation southern watch. That kill was the first time an AMRAAM in US inventory shot down an enemy aircraft.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          forgot pic

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"Miggers could be here" he thought. "I've never been in this airspace before. There could be Miggers anywhere." The jetstream felt freezing against his bare fuselage. "I HATE MIGGERS" he thought. THE WILD BLUE YONDER reverberated his entire wienerpit, making it pulsate even as the bourbon circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of Miggers after dark. "With an F-16, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          F-16D's CAN be combat capable, the ones South Korea has for training are not those.

          I'd be shocked if they even have functioning radars.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >including FA-50s at all
        Might as well include every nation's jet trainers at that point.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          i could MAYBE understand including the future Block 20 FA-50's since they'll at least have an okay radar and a2a missile capabilities, they'll make a perfectly fine air-police for domestic air patrols.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          ignore the list, it's moronic
          however,

          i could MAYBE understand including the future Block 20 FA-50's since they'll at least have an okay radar and a2a missile capabilities, they'll make a perfectly fine air-police for domestic air patrols.

          those sixty ROKAF FA-50s are armed with Sidewinders, Mavericks and JDAMs and are in operational squadrons not trainers, so it's perfectly acceptable to add them to the list I think

          they propose to upgrade them with AESA radars, long range missiles and a variety of other domestic missiles

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It can do ground attack, it is NOT going to scramble against a North Korean MiG or god forbid anything modern from china who could snipe FA-50s from 100km+.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >It can do ground attack
              it also has Sidewinders
              would you have discounted all the RN Harrier FA.1s and USAF F-16As in the 80s simply because they "only" had Sidewinders?
              >it is NOT going to scramble against a North Korean MiG
              yes they will, the Norks only have about eighteen Mig-29s that are worth anything, the rest will be Sidewinder bait

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                In the modern landscape? I 100% would not consider a non-upgraded F-16A to be a 4th gen fighter.

                Modern 4th gen requires BVR missiles which the F-16A lacks.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >fixed list
      lol not even close shut the frick up moron

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Best air forces based on this: 1 us, 2 israel, 3 south korea…next is likely australia 63+ f35 is a shitload of 5g for any nation today

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m new why are people constantly downplaying China’s, they have a larger educated populace than the countries with F-35 and their equivalent is basically a copied version with upgrades

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >their equivalent is basically a copied version with upgrades
      if you believe this I've got a bridge i'd love to sell.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How could you transport me a bridge dumbass

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >their equivalent is basically a copied version with upgrades
      prease berieve

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Australia is #2 the us should be worried. The Australian people are easily bought and sold and their govt and by extension armed forces are Chinese puppets. The UK shouldn’t have given them independence

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Let's exclude the US since its obvious that US > than any other nation

    Europe:
    1. UK
    2. Italy
    3. Netherlands
    4. Italy
    5. Norway
    6. Denmark
    7. Belgium
    8. Turkey
    9. Greece
    10. Germany
    11. France
    12. Sweden

    Asia-Pacific:
    1 South Korea
    2 Australia
    3 Japan
    4 Singapore
    5 Taiwan

    Everywhere else:
    1. Israel
    2. Saudi Arabia
    3. Turkey
    4. UAE
    5. Qatar

    /thread

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To further extend this out:

      1. US
      2. South Korea
      3. Australia
      4. Israel
      5. UK

      /thread

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      are we really saying Singapore has a better airforce than China?
      c'mon man

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To further extend this out:

      1. US
      2. South Korea
      3. Australia
      4. Israel
      5. UK

      /thread

      You are so fricking stupid, holy shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Top air power ranking:

      Tier 1 US

      power gap that transcends space time

      Tier 2 Australia, South Korea, Israel

      Tier 3 UK, Italy, Netherlands, Japan

      Tier 4 Norway, Saudi Arabia, Turkey

      Tier 5 Denmark, Belgium, Greece, Germany, France, Sweden, Singapore, Taiwan, UAE, Qatar

      If we are being completely fair, Russia would slot in between tier 3 and 4 and china generously between tier 2 and 3, india trails tier 5

      Why do you keep deluding yourself into thinking shitrea has a better air force than Japan, asiaticshill?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nipshill weeb troony never fails to post its disease infested fakenews

        Itt is all the empirical evidence that proves SK is probably 3x the air power of japan, this is even before the 240+ kf21 already approved and another 80 f35s, all before 2035…still seething that the kf21 and ngad are the only credible 6th gen programs as exposed by the indog corporate spies whereas gcap will end up being a 4.75 gen sometime between 2040 and 2050 assuming the bongs and wops don’t cave in per usual and get whatever the us is giving them likely a 5.5 gen f35, meanwhile japs still end up last in line so cope with pseudogay paint jobs lmfao

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >another 80 f35s
          more fantasy cope? They've only been approved to buy 25 more.
          Where did the other 55 come from?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > nipshill weeb troony

            Its on suicide watch and doesnt know…

            You need to understand us doctrine in apac, china and and japan are interchangeable, only rok and the philippines are considered core allies but the flips are useless among the least competent among seamonkes…taiwan, singapore and vietnam are comprised and when push comes to shove the intel is that the populace will pick china over the us…only rok is the true vanguard for apac (other than australia and nz) and why whenever there is a us conflict the us always calls on rok, uk, and aus for combat troops that dont frick around in that order…number of jap combat troops in support of us ops postww2 is a grand total of 0 lmfao…compare to 500k for rok excluding the korean war, 200k for aussies and 100k for bongs

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              The japanese are too small for modern combat arms, at best maybe combat support but even then modern western warfare is a team sport and japanese look like southeast asians, no roided out US Army or marine infantrymen could ever take them seriously let alone spec ops operators

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              So is that why Kishida is in Washington for Japan to be invited to join AUKUS and to the US lunar mission, while Yoon is getting fricked in the ass at the polls back home?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Delet this, that's just the US involving Japan so as to keep a tight leash on them, whereas Korea is given free reign.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > us rok free trade agreement and no barriers for rok to buy us companies
                > us won’t give japan an fta and any attempts to acquire a us company is met with national uproar + biden and trump somehow unifying that no jap will buy a us company
                > aukus specifying that japan will not be a pillar one member and will only be used to outsource low level tech + enhanced effective extrateritoriality for the anglosphere even more so than now, aukus highlighting that japan intel and security is unreliable and not to nato standards so even this would take years to get japan to reasonable levels…proposal so one sided that no politician in japan wants to do this except kishida whose polls are even worse than yoon

                Nips get the nuke treatment per usual

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Its crazy that trump actually uses the word jap at maga conventions with the crowd of supporters laughing and cheering…

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pillar 1 is nuke subs, which the japs don't want, so I don't really think they care?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why is ROK allowed to buy US aerospace defense companies replete with security clearances and related hurdles regularly but they won’t let japan buy a shitty steel company?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That isn't surprising, since the South Korean military comes under the control of the US forces in Korea in wartime
                JSDF, unlike the German military, has an independent chain of command

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > "independent" command

                The nips are a fricking prostitutehouse and outpost for US soldiers, we don't even let them use real bullets during training let alone get involved in any actual operations, the nips have less military autonomy than even say and iraq or the philippines

                Protip reminder, we nuked the japs and the japs only and where it as a badge of honor...every interaction between US and jap soldiers have this sentiment in the backdrop and defines the US conqueror jap conquered/castrated relationship

                LMFAO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wtf is the real? Those little nips never fail to prove their incompetence

                https://i.imgur.com/wV8ujMA.png

                Trump was so disgusted by the japanese and japanese food + hygiene that he had is staff find the nearest McDonalds, he absolutely refused to eat anything Japanese and even went as far as to refusing to shake hands (like he does with other countries), he did this decades ago when he was a businessman and then again for his state visit in japan during his presidency

                You make it so obvious, you come into the thread after a lull, post your 3-6 shit posts, and then you're gone for another hour or two until you repeat

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not him, but he isn't wrong about trump. There was a book that describes his experience there.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                that isn't really the point, even if what he posts is 100% factual it doesn't matter, he's just a seething asiaticshill that cant even bother to pretend that he isn't exactly who he obviously is.
                The posting style, the screenshots, etc. It's just lazy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                anything schizo posters says should be ignored even if it is factual. it doesn't matter if asiaticshill says the sky is blue, because it's ultimately irrelevant. he's not saying it because he's interested in the objective fact that the sky is blue, he's saying it because he claims the sky being blue proves that God hates nips

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was there when kishida spoke, its telling when the initial part of his speech was all about becoming closer to south korea…

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >240+ kf21
          120 you mean. Which isn't great, a 4th gen stealth larp isn't very impressive.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nipshill weeb troony never fails to post its disease infested fakenews

        Itt is all the empirical evidence that proves SK is probably 3x the air power of japan, this is even before the 240+ kf21 already approved and another 80 f35s, all before 2035…still seething that the kf21 and ngad are the only credible 6th gen programs as exposed by the indog corporate spies whereas gcap will end up being a 4.75 gen sometime between 2040 and 2050 assuming the bongs and wops don’t cave in per usual and get whatever the us is giving them likely a 5.5 gen f35, meanwhile japs still end up last in line so cope with pseudogay paint jobs lmfao

        The jap self defense leadership is on record boradcasting they are behind rok by 30 years land, 10 years sea and 10 years air…its why everytime shit hits the fan the japs call on rok to save their manlet asses (see sudan evac) and why kishida literally spread cheeks for yoon

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The jap self defense leadership is on record broadcasting
          You shouldn't have any problem posting your sources then

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >behind rok by 30 years land, 10 years sea and 10 years air
          You mean like this?
          https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20220110025500504

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > South Korea #1, US #2
            > Japan #16

            Nipshill weeb troony pulling some obscure ranking from years ago, honestly its actually surprising that Japan is as high as #16 having lived in several of the countries below Japan as well as three years in Japan theres nfw Japan is ahead of Iceland, France, Australia, Canada...a proper ranking as of this year should put Japan somewhere between #20-#30

            https://gfmag.com/data/non-economic-data/most-advanced-countries-in-the-world/

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              > US #1, ROK #4, UK #5, Japan #7

              Here's another one focused on military technology only

              https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-most-advanced-countries-military-203341021.html

              WIPO Innovation Ranking 2023

              South Korea #10 (only asian nation in T10)...Japan #13 lmfao

              https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo-pub-2000-2023-section1-en-gii-2023-at-a-glance-global-innovation-index-2023.pdf

              I thought you were sucking off kangaroos now?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your kidding correct? Said the nipshill weeb troony that has ingested so much semen that it can only be measured in barrels

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Europe:
      >1. UK
      >2. Italy
      >3. Netherlands
      >4. Italy
      >5. Norway
      >6. Denmark
      >7. Belgium
      >8. Turkey
      >9. Greece
      >10. Germany
      >11. France
      >12. Sweden
      Quintessentially american post.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Does Australia have the second best air force in the world?
    come on man
    t. Australian

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      In all seriousness its easily top 5, its either between ROK and Australia as #2

      Dead fricking serious

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you're telling me Australia beats France and the UK in an air war

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, and it honestly not really close...this is even factoring that the UK and France are on borderline chud mode and Australia barely even cares...

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not him but how? Australia can't get their F35's into worthwhile combat range.
            How will Australia use their "2nd best in the world air force" if they can't get the fighters into theater?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              What if the theatre is within 1200km of the Australian border? F35As blow away F35Bs no different than an F16 vs a Mig21

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >F35As blow away F35Bs
                It's time to stop posting.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                See this-->

                https://i.imgur.com/2rA8klt.png

                We are talking about air forces as of today only, LM plans to sell over 1000+ F35s during its life cycle but less than 600 are operational in service

                Australia F35s are all F35A the best version

                Its not even close, F35A is considered the "real" F35 and hence why the F35C was developed (which only the US has) to replicate 80% of the F35A, there's a reason why the US Navy only purchases around 30 F35Bs and only plan to acquire F35Cs

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Meds.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >F35As blow away F35Bs no different than an F16 vs a Mig21

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Being born upside down gives the Australians an advantage when performing BFM.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        asiaticshill, did you get a new aussie boyfriend?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          > nipshill weeb troony inferiority complex thinking its something ROK related when maybe ~1 million South Koreans are anti-jap compared to ~100+ million in the US and another ~100+ million in Europe + another ~100+ million in Russia + ~1.5+ billion in China + ~1+ billion in the rest of the world...

          Lmfao

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I love your statistics.

            Remember when you said 99% of Americans have never even met a Japanese person?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >99% of Americans have never even met a Japanese person?
              I'm not that guy but that's probably true
              maybe 90%

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lol, no.

                There are simply too many Japanese tourists in the US every year for that to possibly be true.

                They might not have ever talked to a Japanese (not japanese American) person, but i'd say at LEAST 15-20% of Americans of SEEN a Japanese person walking about in their life at some point.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                so if only 80-85% have 'seen' a japanese person, then it could be reasonable to say only 85-90% have actually 'met' one

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Which is still a farcry from the original 99% claim, or his equally rediculous 100m+ Americans are actively "anti-jap"

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lol no...99.999%+ of US people personally know of black (legit through non-illitict means) millionaires than can name a single jap person by name that they actually know, they are invisible to US society moreso than Australian abos living in the US

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Lol

              There are about 900,000 "japanese" in the US

              500,000 are actually Okinawan

              500,000 live in Hawaii, some overlap with the Okinawans

              900,000 are less than 25% actual japs and mixed with whites, blacks, hispanics and all of the above

              300,000 live in certain ghetto regions of California

              There are maybe 100,000 actual japs living in the continental US, of that maybe 10,000 are outside of California...let's put it this way, most of the Trump and Biden voter bases do not know a single person that is actually 100% jap descendant

              The jap history in the US is about as bad as any other group other than blacks and native indians, the internments really fricked with them and most japs have a both fear and loathing for mainstream US

              t, part jap

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, we already know you're a claimed half jap/norwegian prostitute

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shut the frick up nip
                >t. Chamorro

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > t, "Australian"

      Does this picture bother you and fill you with bogan rage against the japs?

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > f35 perfect no-casualty record except for...jap manlets
    > only F35 pilot killed was a jap and it jappened during a routine training flight when the manlet simply blacked out from doing almost 1g
    > if we exclude the japs then the F35 has a perfect track record of no casualties...can japs be trusted with modern warfare?

    Daily reminder lmfao

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You say he blacked out, but the picture says spatial disorientation. Which is it?
      a couple of years back a Korean helicopter was lost due to SD. Would you say they blacked out too?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nipshill weeb troony trying to incoherently conflate the ONLY F35 casualty of all time + thousands of training related casualties due purely to incompetence to a single random helicopter crash when for every one ROK helicopter crash there are 10 US helicopter crashes and probably 1000+ nip crashes

        How does a commanding general and the entire command staff get killed in a routine helicopter ride? Its the typical well known nip incompetence, this kind of shit doesn't even happen in third world militaries

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can I see these 1000 Japanese crashes and 100 US crashes to every RoK crash? Are you gonna pussy out like always?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wtf is the real? Those little nips never fail to prove their incompetence

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >entire thread of asiaticshill coping and seething
    Bizarre. Why are koreans like this?

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Top air power ranking:

    Tier 1 US

    power gap that transcends space time

    Tier 2 Australia, South Korea, Israel

    Tier 3 UK, Italy, Netherlands, Japan

    Tier 4 Norway, Saudi Arabia, Turkey

    Tier 5 Denmark, Belgium, Greece, Germany, France, Sweden, Singapore, Taiwan, UAE, Qatar

    If we are being completely fair, Russia would slot in between tier 3 and 4 and china generously between tier 2 and 3, india trails tier 5

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just stop posting asiaticshill the second-hand embarrassment is too much

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      omfg you are so moronic

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Take the power gap between the us and the rest down a little. US could still probably 1v1 Eurasia but we also DEI I’m proud BIPOC BBW they thems so there’s probably a bit of an aptitude issue

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    5th-gen fighters are less important than stuff like awacs, tankers, strategic bombers, etc.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    moron here, what's so good about this plane that the number of them you have determines the quality of your air force? Is it that much faster than everything else?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It has the best stealth and electronic warfare fit of any combat jet flying and that's the real war winner
      doesn't matter how fast you fly, if you can't see what you're shooting at

      60 F35s would be overmatch for a thousand J20s, never mind the other aircraft types

      Please

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What about China?
    They have more stealth jets than mutts with functioning landing gears

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >china
      >stealth jets
      Not really stealthy.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    are you moronic? How is basically only 60 f35 better than 200 J20 and over 1k j11/16/10 and a few hundred other modern aircraft

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      60 F35s would be overmatch for a thousand J20s, never mind the other aircraft types

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >sudden and complete lack of "lmfao"-posting for several days
    >followed by a sudden return with a slightly different topic that immediately devolves into the same identical pattern he's been following for years
    What honestly drives this behavior

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > US #1, ROK #4, UK #5, Japan #7

    Here's another one focused on military technology only

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-most-advanced-countries-military-203341021.html

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    WIPO Innovation Ranking 2023

    South Korea #10 (only asian nation in T10)...Japan #13 lmfao

    https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo-pub-2000-2023-section1-en-gii-2023-at-a-glance-global-innovation-index-2023.pdf

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lowy Asia-Pacific Military Capabilities Ranking 2023, easily the most credible publicly available military rankings and its entirely focused on the APAC region:

    South Korea #5
    Japan #6

    But this is deceptive because South Korea has an index value of 33.1 compared to Japan with 27.4...for context Japan is closer to North Korea 25.7 and Singapore 24.4 than they are to South Korea...

    https://power.lowyinstitute.org

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > japan and singapore comparable in military capabilities

      Nip weeb troony sisters how do we respond without sounding mad? Not like this...

      LMFAO

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Never interacted with singaporean soldiers but every us marine knows that jap soldiers make indians and saudis look straight up alpha

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >SG stronger than ID

      OH NO NO NO INDOGSISTERS

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > japan submarines are inferior to south korean submarines particularly on weaponry and firepower - this is fully understood by japanese military leaders
      > south korean subs can descend to 900m+ same as an LA class nuclear sub, japanese subs max out at 650m
      >

      Makes sense, even the vatnik military analyst places ROK above all except the US

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your best source is some vatnik?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What lesson can we learn from Indonesia's defense trade with South Korea? South Korea has matured on aerospace industry, particularly jet fighter. But in terms of naval industry, Indonesia should be careful. Look at the fate of submarine Indonesia bought from South Korea. Indonesian no longer trust South Korean products after the loss of KRI Nanggala, the Indonesian Submarine sank a year ago because of faulty South Korean maintenance process which DSME blamed on Indonesian until defects were found on ALL of ROKN's KSS II Type 214, and since Indonesia become submarine operators in 1960s, it only had one catastrophic sub accident with the sinking of KRI Nanggala which was overhauled by.....South Korea in 2012

        Three of our newest Nagapasa-class submarine, which is made and its construction here in Surabaya is supervised by DSME of SK, cant even submerged let alone fire its torpedoes because of poor construction and material used by the SKan. Never ever make deals with the South Korean shipyards. Just remember what had happened with Nanggala last year because of cheap MRO by DSME… Those Korean made subs with fake labels of "Karya Anak Bangsa" are just scrappy toys.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          See this:

          https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-secretary-floored-by-ally-south-koreas-shipbuilding-2024-4?amp

          The only thing the us would use indogs for is either cleaning toilets or as cheap prostitutes

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This article states that the US Naval Institute estimates that for global shipbuilding china is 47%, south korea 29%, japan 17% and the us 0.13%, huge if true

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              China is high volume low quality/price ships, South Korea has something like 80% of the global market share for high end/high priced vessels

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the KF-21 such a shit plane? It's crazy how bad it is, hopefully South Korea will be allowed purchase GCAP otherwise they're really going to miss out on important capabilities.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Crazy how shitty GCAP is
    Literally a money sink hole with no results.
    Would be outperformed and out priced by US by the time they even release something to market.
    They should give up.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >can't even pretend worst korea has 6th gen prospects
      >hopes and begs the US will export NGAD (they won't)
      It's just sad.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No spec ops no care

    SK >>> japs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The japs have a few hundred but they are all for show and only train with rubber bullets let alone deployable to actual hot zone most have never fired an actual live round let that sink in

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Same as the ROK then which did frick all in Afghanistan and only fought against Somalian pirates (which even Royal Malaysian Navy SOF PASKAL did)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          > the most adversarial combat kills in support of us operations post ww2: rok 500k, uk 90k, aus 30k
          > number of combat related kills by malaysia and japan combined post ww2: 0

          US style freedom is so delectably sweet

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why is ROK allowed to buy US aerospace defense companies replete with security clearances and related hurdles regularly but they won’t let japan buy a shitty steel company?

            I was there when kishida spoke, its telling when the initial part of his speech was all about becoming closer to south korea…

            Could you at least TRY to look less like a samegay?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh my fricking god, asiatic spec ops is so strong they can put foreigners on planes with spare capacity, what a unique capability that will, as with a stroke of a pen, mark the beginning of a Goguryeo century
      You don't seriously believe there were secret firefights during evacuations from Gaza and Sudan, do you?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > 18 ROK nationals aboard a japan airlines fuel tanker flight out of tel aviv
        > 51 Japanese nationals + 163 SK nationals aboard ROK military transports in the first ferry out followed by every other japs stuck in israel needing to beg ROK for evac per usual

        How pathetic are the nips fricking monke goblino turbo manlets

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          > over 20k nips die like rats and japs have no clue what to do because of the same incompetence that lead to the nuclear reactor meltdown
          > ROK comes to the rescue again as ROK nuclear technology is decades ahead of the nips so they have to rescue the japs from their own monke level incompetence per usual

          How does a nuclear meltdown happen in a supposedly developed country? Even if it did how does 20k get killed, this kind of shit doesn't even happen in the proper third world

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The only proper first world special operations force in asia

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            ROK is so good at special operations to include emergency evacs of civilians that their flight is likely more comfy than commercial airliners

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also more friendly and comforting than any commercial airline putting the all of the civilians under their charge at complete ease with the utmost of confidence

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Malaysia had the toughest commando and special force unit in South East Asia. The UK, NZ and Australian forces have joint training in Malaysia to learn jungle warfare from Malaysian forces on an annual basis, especially after the Vietnam war. There were times that the US sent their troops to Malaysia for jungle warfare training as well.

            Just learn about Col Charles Beckwith ... he had been part of British Special Air Services (SAS) in Malaya and used the knowledge to further develop US Special Force programmes including Vietnam and Delta Forces. Malaysian Special Force are rooted from SAS the same way and time during his tour there too. Some additional jungle skills from the native were also included, specially in tracking and hiding. When I saw the Delta Force jungle training ... I see some similarities, that why they are able to work together in Somalia and Bosnia among others. The technologies used may not be as great as the US, but the effectiveness are as good.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >The technologies used may not be as great as the US, but the effectiveness are as good.
              turdie cope lmao
              >Just learn about Col Charles Beckwith
              just because one American served with the British in Malaya doesn't make Malaya the
              > toughest commando and special force unit in South East Asia
              and certainly doesn't give them any claims on American and British jungle warfare doctrine

              it's really pathetic how low you people have to stoop to try and take even a smidgen of credit for the achievements of others. try this on for size: everything the Malayans know about modern warfare, they learned from the British and Americans. without them, the Malayans would be no better than Andamans.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/3cuQTgG.jpg

          The only proper first world special operations force in asia

          I'll ask again, do you really believe there was any sort of combat during evacuations? Do you think koreans had to fight palestinians and sudanese? Were you ever diagnosed with maladaptive daydreaming?

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just make a list with air to air kills in jets next time

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hey asiaticshill, will you post your gay porn folder again?

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Norway has at least 40 by now. We'll have all 52 by next year, of which 4 will be trainers. That's not a lot, but we're only about 5 million people.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Norway with 40 means Norway has objectively a significantly better air force than the UK, particularly since Norway is effectively next door to the UK and the F35A range of 1200km

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the measure of an air force is how many F-35s they operate
        Infant tier logic.

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hey asiatic, tell us about how all protestants are evanGAYlicals again.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Trump was so disgusted by the japanese and japanese food + hygiene that he had is staff find the nearest McDonalds, he absolutely refused to eat anything Japanese and even went as far as to refusing to shake hands (like he does with other countries), he did this decades ago when he was a businessman and then again for his state visit in japan during his presidency

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nipshill weeb troony sisters how do we respond without sounding mad?

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think asiaticshill is just insecure over the KF-21.
    Did you know they're only getting 120 of them? They must not be very good.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nipshill troony sisters why is always the nips? lmfao

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I accept your concession

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    god what a shitty bait thread and it got 200+ fricking replies
    everyone who fricking posted here should kill themselves out of shame and OP should raped to death by a pack of feral kangaroos

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There aren't feral kangaroos, they're a native species.

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >GPAC shill tries to shit on KF-21
    >Brag about not having anything to show
    That's just sad

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      KF-21 is a 4.5th generation fighter, which GCAP partners did 30 years ago.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      GCAP is an unknown quantity, but that's still better than something known to be shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >KF-21
      >cannot into stealth weapon bays
      >cope recesses instead

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only air forces that matter are the American and Chinese ones, anyone else is basically irrelevant.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Australia declared war on the remaining vestige goons of the cult of Israel etc

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