Does anyone know how well these work for self-defense or play?

Does anyone know how well these work for self-defense or play? The videos showing it suggest it's really effective, but I have no way to gauge it because no one wants to get hit by it. For a tool that leans so heavily on pain, this can't be left in the air.
Also, where could I carry this? Legislation is unclear.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stab or slash.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean the "slash" portion.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    These are sex toys anon.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are they effective?

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a metal cable used as a whip, nothing new or special about it. It's going to hurt if you hit someone with it, same as any other pain compliance tool of similar length.

    >Also, where could I carry this?
    We're not psychic boss, we have no idea what your local laws are. But chances are you could carry a far better weapon than this POS.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's going to hurt if you hit someone with it, same as any other pain compliance tool of similar length.
      I've never used one. Does "hurts" work for self-defense?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Does "hurts" work for self-defense?
        In the opinion of most self-defense experts? Hell no.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is it because of adrenaline?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            That or crack. If the guy's on drugs, you're gonna die.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Suppose my immediate foe doesn't use stimulants. Would it be viable then?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Suppose my immediate foe doesn't use stimulants. Would it be viable then?
                no because you'll be in one of two situations:
                Situation A is that you're hitting someone who's unarmed and doesn't pose an imminent thread of death or grievous bodily harm, with a potentially deadly weapon and thus escalating the situation, removing all legal defense you have and likely just pissing them off to the point where they can and will want to justifiably kill YOU in self-defense
                Situation B is that you're hitting someone who poses and imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm, and are taking extra steps and putting yourself at unnecessary risk to end the threat. If someone wants to stab you, whipping them with a wobbly stick won't stop them from doing so, especially if they're inside your swing and get control of your arm or something.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >where could I carry this
    inb4 prison wallet

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gonna be honest with you, if someone got into a fight and someone whipped them with one of these they would more than likely be filled with insensate rage. Any hope of deescalation would be gone. It's also a lethal weapon (the pointy end) so there's no legal reason to not just delete them if the whippee is armed with a real weapon. It's just a stupid idea to carry one of these.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if someone got into a fight and someone whipped them with one of these they would more than likely be filled with insensate rage.
      Is this how rage works?
      >It's also a lethal weapon (the pointy end) so there's no legal reason to not just delete them if the whippee is armed with a real weapon.
      What if you get one without the point?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        If I was in a jury and it was relevant to the outcome of a case where one of these was used, I would conclude that being faced with one of these (even without the point) is a reasonable circumstance to fear grievous bodily harm. I don't speak for everyone in the world or even America
        >rage?
        Some people, absolutely.
        >stub toe really bad
        >it hurts enough to make my eyes cross
        >punch a hole through nearby drywall without even thinking
        >calm down a bit
        >look down at toe, and back at drywall
        >and realize what an idiot I am
        Things that actually happened

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >some guy does a homeless crackhead kinda thing to you
    >deadly force not reasonable
    >accidentally brain him or blind him or literally anything
    >deal with not only a civil suit but an assault with a deadly weapon/manslaughter/attempted murder charge

    >some guy does a homeless crackhead kinda thing to you
    >deadly force reasonable
    >he still sues you
    >extra steps to whack someone with an expensive unconcealable questionably legal weapon when you could have just shot him

    there are two types of people who carry that kind of moronic shit:
    boomer mallninja morons larping as bail bondsmen and Black person felons that can't own guns
    if you use one for any reason, law enforcement and the legal system will assume you're one of the above and treat you accordingly

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >accidentally brain him or blind him or literally anything
      I get blinding, but how do you brain someone with a whip?
      >he still sues you
      If he justifies deadly force, for which you could've shot him, how could he reasonably hope to sue you for using less-than-lethal force?

      >Suppose my immediate foe doesn't use stimulants. Would it be viable then?
      no because you'll be in one of two situations:
      Situation A is that you're hitting someone who's unarmed and doesn't pose an imminent thread of death or grievous bodily harm, with a potentially deadly weapon and thus escalating the situation, removing all legal defense you have and likely just pissing them off to the point where they can and will want to justifiably kill YOU in self-defense
      Situation B is that you're hitting someone who poses and imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm, and are taking extra steps and putting yourself at unnecessary risk to end the threat. If someone wants to stab you, whipping them with a wobbly stick won't stop them from doing so, especially if they're inside your swing and get control of your arm or something.

      >Situation B
      I'm just going to buy one to see if it's really just a "wobbly stick".

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I get blinding, but how do you brain someone with a whip?
        you'd be really surprised. People get punched in bars and die from falling down.
        If you hit him in just the right spot on his temple, you can go through bone with one of those things
        >If he justifies deadly force, for which you could've shot him, how could he reasonably hope to sue you for using less-than-lethal force?
        if you're in the wrong place, it's very forseeable that someone could rule liability for something like that. Remember, civil case rules are different than criminal cases.
        At the very minimum, people will often launch a lawsuit with a "only pay if you win" lawyer hoping that you'll choose to settle out of court rather than spend time and money fighting a civil case in litigation for a year and a half

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think that's a really questionable reason to kill someone.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like you I would really prefer not to kill anyone, but I'm positive you would be facing a civil suit if you maimed somebody with this thing regardless of why and I'm giving it good odds that a jury would look at it and reach the conclusion that the wielder is some kind of sadist.

            Being perceived as doing normal things that normal people do is a factor in both civil and criminal cases. "Why did you use this brand of hollowpoints? Well, it's what the cops in my area use and it says "personal protection" on the box." That's a pretty good defense to the prosecutorial autistic screeching about the murderblaster 5000s loaded in your gun proving you are an evil psychopath just waiting to shoot someone. I realize that it's apples and oranges, but the point is that the more exotic your armament, the harder the defense lawyer is going to have to work convincing the jury that you're the victim.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks.
              Just as a hypothetical: If legal action wasn't a concern and you only had to worry about the effectiveness of the tool as a weapon, would you consider the Stinger to be viable?

              In general, I’d say yeah. I used to be a boxer, and the pain that whip thing inflicted was very different than just being punched in the face. I can get hit in the face all day, but I didn’t want to get whipped twice. But for what it’s worth, it was on my bare arm. Not sure how it works on clothes like a hoodie or something.

              Oh, cool. In the videos, it seems clothing doesn't help much.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I am incapable of giving one word responses. Is it more viable than what? being unarmed? I guess it could be. It gives you some degree of reach and I think everyone understands the universal language of pain. But I'd rather have almost anything else: a stiff piece of rebar, a sturdy folding knife, a claw hammer, whatever.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    As a deterrent? About as good as a piece of rebar. As a means to actually stop a threat? Lol, lmao

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >where could I carry this
    My brother wore one through his belt loops, you couldn’t see it with his shirt over it. He hit me with it once to test it out and it hurt like a mother fricker and left a fricking disgusting bruise. For comparison, I’ve been hit with collapsible batons and they really don’t hurt at all, and they’re very fragile since they’re aluminum.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He hit me with it once to test it out and it hurt like a mother fricker and left a fricking disgusting bruise.
      If you'd been hit with that during a serious fight, do you believe that'd have given your opponent enough of an advantage for you to back off?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        In general, I’d say yeah. I used to be a boxer, and the pain that whip thing inflicted was very different than just being punched in the face. I can get hit in the face all day, but I didn’t want to get whipped twice. But for what it’s worth, it was on my bare arm. Not sure how it works on clothes like a hoodie or something.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pepper spray is the only none firearm weapon worth taking seriously. If it’s illegal in your country gitting Gus at boxing and BBJ is your only serious option.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >gitting gud
      ducking auto correct

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