Does anyone have a graph like this but more recent? pic rel.
>7527
idk if russia does some kind of "triage" for EOL-wonr arty but they already have a serious barrel shortage (and failures) after 10-20 millions shells fired, that's like from 2000 to +10.000 barrels life.
I hate graphs like this, they're only good for showing cumulative totals, any detail which isn't extremely obvious is lost or difficult to see. Other than the aforementioned cumulative totals, they're the prime tool of those who have an agenda to push and no interest in anything else. It's almost guaranteed that whoever made this chart was only interested in showing that the T-62 is now being used. Which is very worthy in itself, but I'm sure there's a whole ton of other interesting details which are being obscured by this piece of shit graph type.
Nigga you are way out of line, there is a single dimension for the quantitative measures shown, presented three different ways, it is a textbook example of clear data communication
This is no 3D pie graph with clearly misleading additional dimensionality skewed view of quantities, totals, or proportions, and it clearly shows totals, moving averages, and proportions
What better way is there to show the changing proportions and raw volumes of tank platforms lost?
Obscure calibra went through the satellite images of LTS sites a couple months ago, there was about half of the initial stuff left with a big BUT
It was mostly moved around, which suggest the vehicles were cannibalized for parts. Lots of SPGs lacked barrels for example. I think a safe assumption is that they lost half of Soviet stock from lts so far
Does anyone have a graph like this but more recent? pic rel.
>7527
idk if russia does some kind of "triage" for EOL-wonr arty but they already have a serious barrel shortage (and failures) after 10-20 millions shells fired, that's like from 2000 to +10.000 barrels life.
They got shit from the norks right?
bout three fiddy
they have about 2 weeks worth of tanks and artillery left
Russia has about 9000 armoured vehicles left, based on OSINT calculations. That's just from visible vehicles, might be more in sheds (lol). Note, this does not mean ALL are working or aren't fucked somehow (rust etc) but that's just a rough number.
Russia is unlikely to ever run out of BMP's short of this war going on decades.
I think it's just because those are easier to 'fix'. I did have the break down on the numbers of what type of vehicles, but I can't find it. I can try to if you give me a bit.
The reported losses correspond tightly with density of videos of ziggers being blown up and situation on the front, like big assaults.
Some juicy videos from today
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1723315813875081525
https://twitter.com/small10space/status/1723259013805052275
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1723237414385131576
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1723286431177588952
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1723285399701696579
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1723279122204328204
>daily videos of masses of Russian armor being destroyed >copelord posts a video of Russia bmp driving down a road shooting it's gun into the treeline to show hoe good Russia is doing
Actual working tanks they can deploy? They are all out there. Armorer vehicles that work. Same. Artillery the same.
Tanks 200, artillery 150, armored vehicles 300.
They can't really wage any offensives anymore unless it pure meat waves. They destroyed their own production by nullifying 40-50% of their 20-30 year old men. They don't have a national supply anymore chain because of man and brain power losses.
The war ruined a generation.
If Avdiika keeps going like this we might be able to make a second ziggurat next to the slag fortress made entirely of Russian skulls. A ziggerat if you will.
They already used up the mythical Soviet shell stockpile, which was supposed to be night infinite. If we keep giving UA support they need, we may very well see Soviet crap gone in 1-2 years
Ukraine publishes low figures at times if they published more realistic ones it might have caused some analysts to should 'game over' at Russia and assume that Ukraine had it in a bag already. It was in Ukraine's interest to play down Russian losses to get more weapons delivered to ukraine, thus the fake 'pentagon' intelligence bullshit and other such games. I'll give you something 15000 Russian soldiers arranged their own surrenders and went through. The Russian military is in collapse, only fresh mobiks will carry out any order that involves attack or advance. It is in the last chapter now, winter places a massive strain on collapsed logistics like russia has in zones at the front
Couple the logistics problems of winter with the pressure being put on the Tokmak rail line by the Ukrainian push and those units in the South are going to be suffering some serious attrition.
>I'll give you something 15000 Russian soldiers arranged their own surrenders and went through.
Come on man, when you write down numbers like that you gotta provide some kind of source >inb4 find it yourself
You oughta provide as it is you who postes the numbers >inb4 people will just call it propaganda/fake anyway
Any source is better than nothing, then we atleast know you didn't just make it up as bait
>Come on man, when you write down numbers like that you gotta provide some kind of source
Not him, but I believe that the Ukrainians themselves have stated a rough equivalent to this number
As someone who lost a friend on the Russian side to your retarded leader's policies, go to hell. I hope the nationalists regain control of the country before the economy completely disintegrates and hang you over the Kremlin in time for Christmas.
>I hope the nationalists regain control of the country
for fuck's sake anon how many times do authoritarian governments have to fail in Russia before you get the point
liberalism fucking works when not implemented in an actively destructive manner like 1991-1999
>At this point I'm sure that not even the russians themselves could give you the exact number, only an approximation.
I'd say they use the Ukrainian numbers, I doubt the kremlin actually has solid counts of losses as they have won very few engagements in six months and chaos and corruption, lies and faking it rules the Russian military in Ukraine
less than 2800 tanks including all possible hulks for salvage requiring factory work, >50% are t54. They have about 5k apcs left about 3k service grade and 2 k from reserve grade they will be down to utter shit in January and most/many Russian units already are. Artillery is mostly gone, they are using north Korean towed guns for replacements maybe 2k left mostly towed guns from the 60s, mlrs about 300 left air defence 200. Advanced systems like ballistic radars are gone, same with sat ew etc. Russia looses roughly 100 military vehicles and systems a day, by the end of november that's 2000 and will b e roughly 500 tanks, 500 apcs, 500 artillery systems and the rest aa, c&c etc. From a neutral observation position Russia is actually militarily and strategically insane right now. They should have retreated from Ukraine before winter. The Russian forces left in Ukraine at the front will die there, both morale and logistics have collapsed, not will collapse, have collapsed. Any semi modern equipment on the Russian front lines is a rare beast
>1130 men dead or wounded, in just one day. >I can't wrap my head around this madness.
oh no that's just killed wounded could be anything from 1500 to 3500 more, deserted and pow from acouple of hundred to a thousand. The russian military is in complete suicidal mythical lemming shitfest mode because putin is desperate and wanted a 'victory' by the end of October and did not get one
The # of dead personnel is likely exaggerated, but remember that Russia is throwing guys onto the line with literally 2 weeks of training -- and sometimes less. For a military that was taking its time training people, these losses would be unsustainable. For a country that cared about its people or future, they would be unacceptable. But Russia is neither of those. They are fine with throwing people into the grinder.
But it's working, at least to hold the line. T-55s suck balls compared to an Abrams but Ukraine has 30 Abrams and Russia has like 1000 T-55s. They're good enough to be a threat to infantry, and foot infiltration is the only way past the minefield spam.
Russia or more correctly Putin and hus shit bag military advisors that never saw combat are to blame.
They are acting like they can wage war like it is 1915 or 1942 but the state cannot handle those kind of losses anymore. Hell the CCCP knew that and did not throw away men in Afghanistan for nothing at this dumb scale and still cause massive problems down the road.
>Russia has had and will at a increasing rate a Negative immigration rate.
Russian birth rates back then were 8-10 kids per woman. Now it's 1.5 per.
At current casualty rates, Russia is losing .5% of its population a year (all concentrated in the working age men bracket).
Demographics my slow friend. The times have changed and the biggest bottle neck for nations to grow and prosper is a young population.
The LAST thing Russia needs is more land they can't improve and having to be a slave state to China. This is in exchange of their most precious resource: their young.
Look at what Russia is now not what the Soviets were. They are Nigeria with snow. They have lost the population and the industrial might they leaned on other countries for.
There is no limitless red wave. Putin is single handedly making sure we see the end of Russia as a nation in the next 70 years at most.
Demographic implosion, lack of any real hope in the system or a future, if you want to know how it feels visit one those ol shrinking towns where all the young people already left, Russia is a gutted society, the only non fossil fuel industry, IT technologies, was fucked back in 2022 because Putin didn't, couldn't understand in the long term having thriving human capital will always be better than an entire continent of natural resources, to put you into perspective, even the saudies and the other arab monarchs have somehow come to understand one day their grandchildren wont have oil to play as sugardaddies of the world.
Demographics my slow friend. The times have changed and the biggest bottle neck for nations to grow and prosper is a young population.
The LAST thing Russia needs is more land they can't improve and having to be a slave state to China. This is in exchange of their most precious resource: their young.
Look at what Russia is now not what the Soviets were. They are Nigeria with snow. They have lost the population and the industrial might they leaned on other countries for.
There is no limitless red wave. Putin is single handedly making sure we see the end of Russia as a nation in the next 70 years at most.
Russian birth rates back then were 8-10 kids per woman. Now it's 1.5 per.
At current casualty rates, Russia is losing .5% of its population a year (all concentrated in the working age men bracket).
Eh, as long as women are not dying in droves, the demographic effect of wars is limited. If we are talking cummulative effect (refuges, etc), it is clearly (much) greater on Ukraine, and even just taking Mariupol covers most of the Russian direct battle losses till now. And in 70 years, the demographic effect of the war will pale in comparision to the demographic struggles most countries are expiriencing now.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe in the bronze age when chieftains could take ten wives and have sixty kids but not today.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Now women can have (normal-status) children even without being wives.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
And that was just Corona. What do you think happened to the lines in the last two years?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Corona mostly kills those who will not have any more children. The births are more concerning, but (not-total) wars have limited effect on those.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
people are ignoring what part of russia's demographics is taking the hit right now, it's all the age ranges that actually produce children.
that was already a tiny percentage of russia's total population, it was mostly old people who were never gonna upkeep their population to the same level, now it's even worse.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>women are not dying in droves
Take a look at their immigration rates friend.
The war is driving their population out, their young population out.
Look back at any of the coverage of Mariupol. Who were the people that stayed in the City? You can the fighters and the old people in their basements.
Russia gained the old. This fixes nothing.
The war is killing off your future, there is nothing to be gained from it.
It is truly sad that Russia is trying to eat their brother and will most likely kill him off but he has sealed his fate with one of the worst Birth to Dearh ratios in the world. Showing the world you are a monster doesn't make people want to live their so Russians with the means will continue to flee year after year.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And in 70 years, the demographic effect of the war will pale in comparision to the demographic struggles most countries are expiriencing now.
Bold of you to assume there will still be a russia 70 years from now. Perhaps in the same sense that there was a holy roman empire, sure.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I assume Ukraine is in the same situation, if not worse, due to it's smaller population size, no?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They keep killing Russians at a rate higher than the population difference.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They don't, but they claim they they do so their fanboys have copium.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Uh huh. Cool story, pidor.
Cope and project harder.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bear in mind, that chart is based on figures released by the Russian federal government
I would say they are indeed in bad shape but they may still be capable to drag this for most of 2024, if anything Monke has shown a willingness to keep feeding men to the meatgrinders and they will keep sending an ever dwindling supply of AFVs and artillery, with an ever increasing percentage of low tier tanks.
Still the last russian offensive sounds a lot like they are trying to break Ukraine, or more precisely Ukraine's supporters willingness to sustain the war effort.
I honestly believe russians still don't really understand the level of hatred ukrainians have developed for them, that alone will keep them fighting for years with or without west support, if anything an ukrainian just needs to visit /chug/ to want to kill all russians on sight, I hope /misc/ keeps their hate-speech.
>Ukraine's supporters willingness to sustain the war effort
Germany has budgeted Ukraine support with a 10% increase per year up until 2032. UK has budgeted military support to 2028, EU to 2027.
No way Russia can keep up what they are doing for that long.
Yes there are shit bags in the US congress wanting their TV time but most have a few brain cells and know that giving Ukraine our old stock to modernize our military for the future is a win for all.
>win for us economy as military equipment supports massive us jobs from big to small >win for our military as they don't have to pay some kid to change the oil and tune up the M311 or Bradley again >win for Ukraine as they are fighting to to be eaten by their so called brother >Win for American might in the eyes of other Nation that may want to start shit
All of this for a fucking rounding error of funds. >so far the US has used 0.003% of GDP per year to keep Ukraine supplied
Found out in the Great New Deal during the depression that doing that was a money sink.
But having them build bridges and real things that are useful had a knock on effect.
>Bridge needs steel and concrete >steel orders go up and production does as well lowering costs >same with concrete
Now other builders can build other things at better cost rates and they increase the number of projects. This is where the real growth comes from. Yes the bridge is fine and will lower some transport costs but giving all the small industries down the line a shot in the arm is how you turn a one time stimulus into growth.
Same with the military complex. All the metals mined, small machine shops across the country, higher end electronics, the main facilities where they are assembled like Lockheed, Boeing ect..
Also all those that support the people directly involved, builders for expansion of facilities, food near the workplace, transportation drivers for product and materials.
Paying g someone to sit on their ass or just do busy work has been tried but found to be far effective at doing the stated goal of bringing as many people as you can to a higher standard of living.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
FDRs handling of the depression was an absolute failure.
That's a third world tier opinion and strategy, when you've got a massive surplus of labour and nothing modern that you can use to make them productive then massively overpaying for labour is really your only option, but it's silly when you have a functioning economy and plenty of industry to sustain it, not silly in that it wouldn't put dollars in people's pockets, silly in that you're trading away the opportunity to actually do something worthwhile with those units of labour, time, and money
Option one is to just do nothing, dig and fill ditches
Option two is build a road
Which one is better?
You would have to be legitimately retarded or an actual traitor to not see the ridiculous value in supporting Ukraine, even a total cynic must understand that trading old equipment and some money for the destruction of the Russian military, with no US lives lost, is one of the best geopolitical opportunities to present itself in a while
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This.
The Ukrainan war is the best possible way to reduce the threat of Russia's geopolitical ambitions. Both to Europe, Nato and world in general. We get to reduce Russia's military to rubble, empty their soviet-era weapon stockpiles, thrash their economy and deal them a blow that they will not recover in the next 20-30 years. And they will not be able to do military shit abroad in decades.
And all this can be achieved WITH MONEY! Just throw Ukies some old cold-war era weapons and vehicles from mothball storages, bankroll them with economic aid, and everyone will THANK you for it. A massive good guy move in international politics stage. No Johnny Yankee or Billy Brit-Bong need to go abroad to die in some foreign war far away.
And compared to some Afghan excursion all this can be achieved with PEANUTS level money? Who the fuck does not see the strategic advantages in that? You really have to be actively traitorous or brainless retard to NOT want all that.
This is an opportunity that Pentago strategists couldn't have even DREAMED about a few years ago. This is better than ANYTHING they could come up with.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Russia is irrelevent and laundering hundreds of billions of tax dollars through ukraine does not benefit Americans.
If anything, the biggest losers in this debacle are Europeans who no longer have access to cheap Russian oil and gas.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
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Oh fuck nooooo, im gettting..... demotivated!
How can this be.... NAFO SISTERSSSSSS AAAAAAA
John from frankfurt oblast here, its over, its so over!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>irrelevant
They sit on my land, sell my oil to the fucking chinks and marry my mail brides on fucking brownoids.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Russia is irrelevant
Not yet, but thanks to this war it will be soon.
>laundering
You can't "launder" military surplus equipment, retard.
>muh cheap oil and gas
It was never worth the cost in being beholden to an untrustworthy and unreliable trade partner such as Russia.
In summary: Kys, vatnagger shill. This war is the best use of american tax dollars in decades.
TV time like I said.
Shame congress has attracted the media pigs. I need people making laws that can do basic math not shits that want there face on tv.
>win for us economy as military equipment supports massive us jobs from big to small
They create jobs! how wonderful! >win for our military as they don't have to pay some kid to change the oil and tune up the M311 or Bradley again
They remove jobs! how wonderful!
Are you a nagger?
How retarded do you honestly have to be to write something so fucking stupid?
4Chin doesn't have an IQ requirement to post, but "at least equal to room temperature" really should be a place to start.
The current push is all about the rail line going through the southern landbridge
That line is a vital logistics corridor for the Russians and it is currently cut at both the Tokmak Junction and a section just outside Donetsk city
The Russians have to push the Ukrainians away from at least one of the cut sections and soon or else the sectors isolated from the rail network will run out of supplies and collapse
Since assaulting out of Tokmak is no longer viable (because fresh supplies now have to go all the way through Crimea just to get to the starting line) the Russians are throwing everything they have in the Avdiivka direction instead
Unfortunately for them, Avidiivka is just one of several objectives they would need to take to open up the line because the Ukies are only ten kilometres away along a several dozen kilometre stretch of line just east of Donetsk city and unlike at Robotnye they are not confined to a small salient so their arty can shoot and scoot much more effectively along the entire section that they have under fire control
>The Russian forces left in Ukraine at the front will die there, both morale and logistics have collapsed, not will collapse, have collapsed.
It's weird how people almost don't notice this. The crossing of the Dnipro wouldn't happen if there wasn't a logistical collapse, and it's further evidence that all that attrition actually did do something.
>The Russian forces left in Ukraine at the front will die there, both morale and logistics have collapsed, not will collapse, have collapsed.
Why would Ukraine exploit this with some meme landing and not pushing for Tokmak if true
The latter clearly has more long-term significance
Right now ukrainian strategy seems to aim to force the Russians to overstretch, especially down south where they can continously strike at the russian supply and communications lines through Tokmak and Crimea.
It's essentially a larger-scale version of what they've been doing at Avdiivka the last couple days, where they kept hitting russian reinforcement columns with drones and artilelry before they even got to the front. That's one of the big reasons why russian attacks there have gotten nowhere despite their nominal numbers.
Kharkiv was only possible because the russians left it minimally manned after sending reinforcements to Kherson. Kherson was only possible because there was a wide as fuck river in the way of supplies.
Unless Ukies manage to crack the Kerch bridge in half it will be much more difficult this time
Probably because this war has shown that artillery supporting lightly manned trenches with anti tank weaponry can cause disproportionate losses to armored thrusts without air support. Think Ukraine's just gonna pick away at Russia hoping for a collapse at this point using small advances to try and start the avalanche. They realized this quite quickly with the counteroffensive, why makes the mistakes Russia refuses to learn from.
>Russia could sustain this for another 5 years.
No Russia can't. More like five months. Sustain is a debatable term in that context as well, Russia's diplomatic influence and economy is gone for good along with its conventional military. Hardly 'sustaining'
The Ukrainians are defending fortified positions. The Russians keep slamming their faces into walls at the cost of over a thousand men A DAY in some cases. The only time the casualties per day slow down is when the Russians slow down or otherwise reduce the intensity of their attacks.
I shouldn't have to say this so damn often on /k/ but the defenders, Ukraine, do not need to constantly be pushing forward. They have the luxury of being able to hold the line and let attrition do it's thing. The Russians on the other hand HAVE to advance. They MUST regain momentum or the Ukrainians can just grind them down until they can safely make another big offensive. This is a catastrophic situation for Russia. If they cannot regain momentum, and no I don't mean gaining 100 yards over a few weeks with thousands dead for it, the war is already over. They MUST balance out the catastrophic casualties with big gains. If they cannot do that eventually they'll lose the attrition war and Ukraine will kick them out at minimum.
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Zelensky isn't losing. Are you retarded? He's held off Russia for 2 years
It's a retarded shill or he's trying to troll by pretending to be retarded. Either way he's not even trying to hide it. Disengage anon, disengage.
There will be some economic damage but I think you're really overstating things. It's not like they're sending their women off to die. And they definitely have enough tanks and artillery pieces for at least 3 years at this pace.
I wonder how long it would take for pozziyan civilians to wonder where the death benefits for their conscripted sons and husbands are
I imagine legions of impoverished old people and women who've lost their husbands being tossed out on the street, going cap in hand to the benefits office only to be told some varient of "nyet, hoosband is just MIA near Tokmak 30 month ago, no moneys or lada or potato for you!"
The russians are about to be massacred at regimental scale at Avdiivka, that will be effectively them finished tank/apc/artillery wise as in they will be significantly lower in quantity and quality afterwards. I expect Russian losses to be 1-2 thousand a day for the next three weeks. Muh dumb fuck putin offensive with the end of the last batch of fresh equipped mobiks
Russia assigned 40 thousand men to attack Avdiivka, over 12 thousand of which are likely dead at this point. They can't sustain this level of losses for long
I read this entire post genuinely thinking it was about Russia and the Russian government's official party line and it was only until I read the replies did I realize it was actually a seething vatnagger accusing Ukraine of everything Russia is guilty of. It's the old propaganda meme: "Always accuse the enemy of what you yourself are doing"
>Yeah but French will backpedal soon in two months
What in the quoted text makes you think the French aren't fully committed? >The French president said it was the "duty" of his country and all countries to support Ukraine in its defence.
That doesn't sound like someone that wants to pull out. >He said it was "not yet" time for Ukraine to come to the table, and stressed the decision to negotiate was Kyiv's alone.
This sounds like France is fully behind Ukraine too.
It appears you made that loss of support part up. Sounds like you spread lies.
Why would you do such a thing?
>Sounds like he's implying that Ukraine must make a peace deal on Russia's terms
You mean by saying they fully support and continue supporting Ukraine and it's decisions, they really imply they want to pull support?
What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to reach to that conclusion?
people fail to understand how long this front-line is, it's several 100 miles and russia needs to supply every mile with enough troops, ammunition and vehicles or the next gesture of goodwill happens
Real question here.
How long can Russia sustain these kinds of losses?
I know a lot of the lost manpower wasn't "proper" russians, but damn. At what point does an army stop and say "fuck it my dudes, we've lost too many men and machines"?
>Real question here. >How long can Russia sustain these kinds of losses?
Russias evaporating equipment may run on its dregs until May at latest but they will just be in an abattoir from February to may and sitting ducks with no real way to fight back. Russia is just absorbing Ukrainian munitions and generating destroyed Russian equipment and dead russian troops right now. They can keep doing that with lower and lower quality mobiks and barely functioning t54s and d30 artillery that gets one shot off begore the whole battery is levelled. In the end Russia runs out of gear completely in the first half of next year. The thing is this has really been the situation for the second half of 2023 as well, the end of any decent equipment and increasing volumes of completely obsolete artillery and armour and increased use of penal battalion tactics and field executions. Military history shows us that Russia situation is not tenable, they can pretend all is well in Moscow right up to the point Ukrainian tanks are in Sevastopol and routed troops are walking back home all over Russia telling people what happened. Look at the propaganda shit they are still spraying into the third world brics and internets, Russia is a place of insanity that has disconnected from any reason or logic.
>How long can Russia sustain these kinds of losses?
Forever as they are only propaganda numbers.
IIRC Estonian intelligence said Russia can keep up 2-3 years fightingmore in less publicized statement
>1 >It's HATO's fault we carpet bombed Mariupol and other cities into dust! >2 >HATO trannies are at our boarder! No, we won't provide evidence. >3 >israeliteensky is the literal, not figurative, LITERAL Anti-Christ! >4 >We are the last bastion against globohomo! Don't look up our stats on fucking everything. That's not relevant. >5 >They nuked Dumbass children for 8 years! No, we won't post evidence. No, don't compare it to evil oinkraine cities our brave heroes liberated. >6 >Bio-geese, bio-weapons, dirty nuke bombs, Azov-steroid warriors, bio-virus that targets Russians specifically (oinkraine are malorussians/little russians, look, don't worry about it) >7 >xaxaxa*~~)) oinkraine piggers lost all of their air force this week*~~) again*~~ they'll lose it again the next too*~~) All HIMARS destroyed before they were even delivered*~~) >8 >Gonzalo Lyra, Shaman, Dugin and Kim support us! >9 >We fight the nazis! They weren't nazis pre 2014... look don't worry about it. Also, they're israelites! And trans too! >10 >Strelkov, Surovikin, Prigozhin are all traitors!
The vatnig pidor howls like a wounded animal as he throws a drunken haymaker.
I'm sorry, the idea that some escaped vatnagger from pol is actually shilling for putin in late 2023 when he can't even call it a war legally because reasons is too fucking stupid. Just fuck off. Ukraine has curb stomped the Russian military and there is no shortage of evidence. Do fuck off now. Ukraine is stocked until 2025 and is having tank and ammo factories built i it for fuck sake. Meanwhile Russia is out of cash reserves and holding out begging bowls to north korea for material from the 1960s
>israelites israelites israelites lies
Avdiivka was an absolute banger for Puccia then, huh, Vanya? Why is the world's 2nd military superpower and the sole counterweight to NATO struggling to hold the line against it's own former vassals state? Any more "literally who" twitter caps?
Maybe retarded question:
Why are the loss numbers for MLRS comparativly low?
Didn't russia have a metric shit ton of those things?
Aren't they used as much as they were built?
Is this just the wrong war for the system?
>Why are the loss numbers for MLRS comparativly low?
They are not low/. Russia only had 900-1300 in service pre invasion, 1100 probable. They have lost 879 that's 79% loss in line with the rest of the Russian military. They have a tiny number of their initial semi modern ones left and they turned out to be shit. Muh theromobaric TOS just makes a nice explosion when it gets hit. They brought a lot of ancient crap which is little better than lorries with some pipes welded on made in the late 60s in but their ammunition is very difficult to transport, it is long and fills a lorry easily with very little and is bad logistical value compared to artillery shells, plus the old truck MLRS are inaccurate and relatively short range. Some analyst wrote a blinding article of the woes of Russian logistics and mlrs ammunition you can probably find on a search. Its not even *having* it it is getting it to somewhere it can be used in any quantity
>still israeliteposting and spamming pol tier shit ab out muh royssia still having a hope of winning the not a war in Ukraine. Let me know when you can call it a war. The world is laughing at Russia as it dies.
>1130 men dead or wounded, in just one day. >I can't wrap my head around this madness.
oh no that's just killed wounded could be anything from 1500 to 3500 more, deserted and pow from acouple of hundred to a thousand. The russian military is in complete suicidal mythical lemming shitfest mode because putin is desperate and wanted a 'victory' by the end of October and did not get one
Russian total defeat is 100% on track now.
those are killed and wounded though
zalyuzhny said the dead are 140k
What the fuck is /misc/ about saying how contrarian both political parties have become and how whatever one side says is good the other says is bad. I'm sick of both political parties, and especially my own party of Conservatives right now where a lot of them don't want to help Ukraine because they think the only reason we would help Ukraine is the whole "Hunter Biden" bullshit. It's like they refuse to acknowledge the fact that we have an opportunity to cause catastrophic damage to one of our biggest enemies of the 20th century without having to risk even a single of our soldier's lives.
>It's like they refuse to acknowledge the fact that we have an opportunity to cause catastrophic damage to one of our biggest enemies of the 20th century without having to risk even a single of our soldier's lives.
YUP it has opened my eyes to the fact they most of them are not people with any real idea of what standing up for American interests means. All I hear is if the other team is for it we are against it. leave that crap for sports teams and highshool drama.
Fucking insane, shits think acting like a tweens on Xbox live.
That's just politics anon. You never praise your rivals or give them credit for any successes, instead you call out their failures and try to undercut their successes. Republicans started to turn on support for Ukraine the moment it started making Biden look good last year and give him something to brag about. So they spun it as wasteful spending to try and get focus back on the economy which has been weak under Biden. If Ukraine had folded last year they would be screaming how we should have had boots on the ground day one and how about how weak Biden was during the invasion. It's all just politics.
The problem is that the kremlin will be able to spin almost anything as a win
If they lose Crimea then that's it, there is no spin able to convince anyone other than an utter retard that this was a W
but even a status quo ante bellum peace could be spun as "we destroyed 50 billion hato troops and demilitarised Ukraine which is now just totally dependent on the West for everything" and your average Muscovite will just be glad the war ended before they got drafted
Putin still has given basically no indication that he doesn't want maximalist objectives though.
I am pro Ukraine, I wan. I was borne in Ukraine myself but this shit is getting so fucking tiresome.
From all the previous news and reports by now it feels like Russia should be in the negatives when it comes to vehicles. Russians soldier morale should have been 0 last winter.
I was listening to podcast with Aristovitch, where he counted Russian rockets and that homosexual did a U turn and said "lol I was jk", "I said Russia was running out of shit to keep morals high".
I get that everyone reports optimistic numbers, Russian mod has destroyed NATO 4 times over by now.
If I was not Ukrainian myself I would just install a web filter on my browser to hide ANYTHING related to Ukraine/Russia.
What Ukraine has done is incredible. Purely stopping a nation like Russia from rolling over your country is an impressive feat. But this is the reality of the situation. Ukraine is still a country not part of a bigger initiative. This is going to be a long war. I think the current strategy is the right one. Just wear them down into oblivion. After that you'll see economic commitments from Europe which will put you in a better position and you can start to rebuild your country.
Hm, if you listen to serious analysts then not really. Let's take tanks for example: Russia had 3.2k tanks in ACTIVE service, 1.6k in operational reserve and an unspecified number of them in long term storage. Nobody really knew what state LTS tanks are in, because it was hard to tell from satellite imagery, but they are numbered in the thousands. Strategic reserves are given total factory refurbish and some are modernized to newer standards. Also not every destroyed tank stays destroyed, unless it suffers ammo detonation, it can be recovered and repaired.
If all of the tanks from lts than can be brought to service, would be, then the total number if rus tanks pre invasion would be around 10k, as a rough estimate. There's also completely new production, but it's insignificant at this point compared to repair and refurbishment.
Reminder, if there is excessive shilling today it's probably because TASS reported that Russian forces were withdrawing from their positions on the east side of the Dnipro and then released a statement stating they were wrong and it wasn't happening. Which means it is definitely happening.
It's bigger than that mang. If the Ukrainians drive the Russians completely out of Kherson Oblast and push on to Melitopol then the Russians are *almost* at status quo antebellum, meaning Russia spent all those machines, men, and treasure for nothing. There is absolutely no way to spin that as anything other than a decisive defeat.
Still, wait a little bit to get hyped yeah? This could just as easily be a nothingburger as it could be Kharkiv 2.0.
>Reminder, if there is excessive shilling today it's probably because TASS reported that Russian forces were withdrawing from their positions on the east side of the Dnipro and then released a statement stating they were wrong and it wasn't happening. Which means it is definitely happening.
"In a series of three alerts on Monday, the RIA state news agency said that the command of Russia’s Dnepr group of forces had decided to relocate troops to “more favourable positions” east of the Dnipro. It said that, after the regrouping, the Dnepr force would release some troops to be deployed in offensives on other fronts"
I'm fully convinced even if the Russians ran out of everything but beat to shit nuggets that didn't make it to foreign sale and were losing 10k men a day they'd still try to advance.
>I'm fully convinced even if the Russians ran out of everything but beat to shit nuggets that didn't make it to foreign sale and were losing 10k men a day they'd still try to advance.
yeah?
Russia will not be defeated until they accept they are defeated. They won't do that unless absolutely forced to. What they will do is waste at minimum tens of thousands of lives every month on this until they no longer have a population of breeding age men large enough to sustain their country. Then they will send the women. Russia is a death cult in nation form.
Please go leave with the rest of the retards and stay there. The "cope" threads are the ones acting like Russia is at all winning while suffering such impressively bad casualties with nearly completely stalled front lines. How many lives has it cost them to gain that little blob north of Avdiivka? Again, the Russians will kill themselves off before admitting defeat. This war's going to go for a long time and it'll only end one way, and it's not the way you want.
It's absolutely hilarious how those spergs with their shiba avatars trigger you guys btw. <3
>he lets normies with dog avatars and trannies live in his head rent free >his so-called 2nd army of the world still hasn't conquered the shithole next door
top fucking kek
The problem is based on the footage available the Ukie claims are a LOT more believable. The Ukies stop if they're losing to much. Meanwhile the Russians just seem to be in full "UUURAH!" mode and that doesn't work when the other side has effective artillery and you can't seem to avoid mines even when they're not even buried.
Basically this. Russian shills got no evidence as the ukrainan ones. I dont trust their numbers, but when I personally seen half of the reported number in webms dying, I believe it more than the russian "trust us" method
>can give you the source if you want
Please do. The only references to your 15 million figure I can find refers to the number of Ukrainians displaced by the war. I suppose that all those people coming back after the Russians are driven out WOULD be 15 million immigrants now wouldn't it?
>nooooo, the west can't help rebuild Ukraine after the war and see its people return! >noooo, you can't let Ukraine into the EU!
Wew, it's been a while since I saw this particular bit of zigger propaganda.
They literally enough to fight for years. BUT, those tanks will get increasingly shittier and shittier.
They are still manufacturing like 200/year T90s, but it will likely be a couple T90s with mostly T62s in the future.
The soviets went completely insane in their concept of 'how much I need to store'
>zigger spergout ITT
I am John Johnston from Milwaukee TX and I am demoralized. Please president biden stop sending our economy to israelite lesenski!!
except they can't do that because they're attriting far faster than the ukrainians are and they need the war to end as soon as possible, that's why you saw that massive wave of >i-it's over goyim pls stop supporting ukraine
shilling the last few weeks.
Anyone else find it odd that the zigger shills start up at almost the exact same time every single day? Seriously, it's always between roughly 7am to 9am eastern standard time, every day like it's their job. I would hope they're at least getting paid and don't shill for the neo Soviet Union but with more AIDS for free.
>I would hope they're at least getting paid and don't shill for the neo Soviet Union but with more AIDS for free
Some do in fact do it for free because every country has useful retards and half-retards who think they'll get a reward some day when the bald midget recognizes their worth and gives them land in Siberia or some shit.
Shame they don't have a military genius like you to tell them that, they just keep sending their shit boxes full of mobiks in to get slaughtered by the tens of thousands.
This is why I hate talking about war with tourists from other boards. It's like talking to children.
The counter-offensive aimed towards Tokmak was hardly "disastrous". If they had kept trying to push full steam ahead casualties be damned like the Russians do it absolutely would have been though. Failure doesn't mean it's "disastrous". Losing ungodly numbers of men and critical irreplaceable equipment like the Russians seem to do on a daily basis however is.
The Russians can't reliably shell jack shit. Ukrainian counter-battery is really good and something the Russians really have no answer to at this point. If you just sit there and play WWI you're going to be eating GMLRS or accurate counter-battery shelling for it. The Russians also just flat aren't even trying to do that. They are throwing thousands of men at places like Avdiivka with obscenely high casualties and extremely small gains to show for it. The gains/casualties ratio of the Russian military at this stage in the war is absolutely abysmal to the point that nearly every other nation on earth would have stopped. I don't think even China would keep going with losses like this. The norks probably would though.
Produced doesn't mean currently in Russian hands or currently functional. They DID have a frighteningly large armored force that a lot of people were worried was going to flood through the Fulda gap like a river. Honestly I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the USSR of the late 70s to early 80s could shitstomp modern Russia in a non-nuclear match up because the vehicles they had hadn't fallen victim to even worse post-soviet corruption yet.
>This is why I hate talking about war with tourists from other boards. It's like talking to children.
"disastrous counter attack" is literally a zigger code phrase
These fucking ESL retards get programmed keywords to hit, partly because they probably can't string together coherent english sentences without relying on them and partly because they get paid 10 rupees for each one or some shit >Honestly I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the USSR of the late 70s to early 80s could shitstomp modern Russia
It's not even a fucking contest, how could you EVER doubt the outcome of that?
Because there was still fuckloads of corruption in the USSR too, it just got way worse. Modern Russia does have a few things in their favor like significantly better aircraft and many more guided weapons that are also more advanced. That still only gives so much of an advantage. I'd put it it ~60/40 in favor of the Soviets.
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I'm not saying that failure and taking a bunch of losses for it isn't bad, but "disastrous" is in a different category. Yes it was far from ideal but Ukraine isn't down entire divisions over it and still have plenty of vehicles handy. They DID take a chunk land though, and their gains/casualties is undoubtedly better than that of the Russians. Ukraine is also still actively getting more and more foreign aid replacing some of the vehicles and equipment lost.
You should also keep in mind that by western standards failure period is a bit of a disaster. That's unrealistic for this conflict and we can't apply ourselves to Ukraine like that. We're used to having insanely low casualties and stomping around slaughtering whoever we want as we fight people so far below us they might as well be cavemen.
>I don't think even China would keep going with losses like this.
I think the chinks would be willing to take losses like that, but only if they got appreciable results for it instead of barely budging the forntlines like the ziggers are doing right now.
>they can sit behind their fortifications and shell Ukranians
Yeah. Why do they keep sending meatwaves tho? I, myself, was pretty sure they woud just sit in defence.
Anon, I'm gonna be honest with you: you are not knowledgable enough to butt in the way you do.
What you are suggesting, is that the one who attacked the other nation, who went into defensive mind you, should just sit back, in occupied land, and shell the natives, who have higher range artillery.
Please explain to me how thats a good idea
>State bald faced lie >"xaxaxa western hohol sources agree" >"Also look they blame shrubs xaxaxa" >post cap from three fucking months ago talking about battlefield conditions
It's hilarious how thirdies literally can't comprehend how everyone in the west has a high school education and so the only people who'll fall for their turd world shit flinging is retards - the ones who are already on their side.
>They already annexed all the territory that voted to join Russia
Gee willikers it's almost like you're either a mongoloid tourist or a fucking lying zigger because they definitely "annexed" Kherson and put up posters saying it was Russian forever... remind me who owns it now? >have artillery that (at worst) is equal to what Ukraine can muster
Gee willikers it's almost like you're either a mongoloid tourist or a fucking lying zigger because we've been laughing at how HIMARs has single-handedly cucked the entirety of the pozziyan artillery corps for over twenty months now
For once the Jannies are acting based and deleting your fucking effluence so i sincerely -- and I really mean this -- I genuinely hope you are a real Russian being paid to shill, I hope your handlers see how absolutely shit you are at this, and I hope you spend Christmas gut shot and freezing to death in a field near Adiivka.
Its not the jannies, he delete them himself for victim points. People who get banned gets all their comments removed, while the ones posted by /misc/ tourists are deleted one at a time.
/misc/ was never good, but it is just sad to see how far they've sunk. 2016 killed that place, 2020 drove off the few stubborn survivors, and 2022 turned it into /leftypol/ tankie central. It's almost as pathetic as modern /b/ is.
>hownew
Low tier jannies delete the posts which were actually reported, then forward the case to higher rank moderators if they believe the ban is necessary.
Ban and mass-deletion of posts are only applied once a moderator gets to review the case, which can take anywhere from a few minutes to a week. I sometimes get banned for posts days after the thread drops off the board.
you however, are so secure in your victory that you have to constantly tour boards to tell the other side to give up.
again, i've said this many times, but you do realize that the very fact that you're here shilling in the first place is proof that statement is a bold-faced lie right?
>Does anyone know how many tanks and artillery Russia has left?
that's the fun part
no one really knows
there are estimates on visuals
and some documents on old soviet stock warehouses
but the war is going on for almost 2 years now and they certainly planned this for years prior
it'd be delusional to think Russia has not ramped up production by now
there are physical limitations though
they can't import a lot of needed specialized machinery and some resources are missing as well
for artillery shells there were some estimates on when they run out - but they effectively solved this by importing from North Korea
best guess you'll get is by looking on videos and what they bring
we already see reduced artillery on field
which is probably indicative of a low supply
he doesnt care, the lower class you are, the less dignitity you have. They bathe in cow urine for crying out loud, you think those people care you calling them out?
as of right now oryx has registered 2474 tank losses. back during the leaks the US numbers of lost russian tanks was 13.7% higher than oryx's count at the same day.
assuming that the US leaked data was more accurate and level of undercounting by oryx remains the same that means Russia has lost around 2796 tanks.
before the war Russia had approximately 2927 tanks (2030 T-72+480 T-80+417 T-90) in service but of course they also had like 12000 tanks in storage and by now russia has lost more T-80s than it originally had so their tanks in storage are definitely being used.
Russia is probably producing around 250-300 new tanks at year so thats 500-600 tanks they probably made by now and lets be generous and assume 10% of their mothballed storage can be returned to service so lets assume that from T-55s to reactivated T-90s they restored another 600-800 tanks these past 1.7 years and have at the very very best another 1000 waiting to be refurbished although of questionable quality).
that would mean the russians have at my very best for them around 1100-1500 something more active tanks left of which probably 1000 are deployed in Ukraine while the rest are in Russia (the leaks at the time talked of around 560 tanks being "in garrison" inside Russia so we can assume that 1/2 to 1/3 of the active fleet will not go to Ukraine).
the source for all of this is my ass so feel free to call me on my BS.
P.D: the shitbox-1 is eternal, russia and Ukraine will never run out of those.
The fact that they are restoring T62s and 55s should indicate they are running out of good tanks to restore, no? Or could it just be cheaper to restore the older ones, and they prefer numbers to quality? I would think it’s more expensive in the long run to have more types to maintain and restore though.
I am now very demotivated, russia will win, for sure. The more russian die the more glorious they become, they are making heroes.
Its such a shame my nafobuddies are abandoning us, as everyone focus on the israel war.
All the big military people, like scot ritter, saying ukraine is done for, its true!
Nobody giving equipment, germany saying they doubling their budget for shipping equipment is just a pr move
Help me obama!
Sorry, I'll keep my interest about this special military operation.
I know that you want it to memory hole it, to stop the flow of equipment, but I'm not giving you guys the pleasure.
>600+ days of war >billions of rubbles spent in "internet-research" agencies >100 millions of vatnaggers alive >millions of bots >hundreds of thousands of pajeets >thousands of OSINT specialists >best argument they have against Oryx so far is just "start seething and refuse to provide any proofs"
Your propaganda has the opposite effect.
>your interests >corruption
Making corruption the key metric is retarded because every country has it. I'm interested in my enemies dead and home burglars punished more than in missing 100 bucks of the 6-digits paycheck.
>oryx >unreliable >nooo you can't trust the photographic proof
The worst you can say about oryx is that they underestimate the total. Calling it unreliable is just idiotic.
Russia is the rival of my country and russians are my enemies. 50% of our internal problems are the results of their actions. Besides that, ziggers are subhumans and trolling their defenders is fun.
Russia isn't the rival of any country, they're a third world shithole that produces nothing, and a military so dysfunctional they're not a threat to anything.
>Russian military losing fuckloads of men and equipment every single day >China's one real "ally" of note getting declawed >MIC getting the best real world combat data since Desert Storm >Ukraine is being forced to deal with internal corruption >old stock being shipped to Ukraine to kill Russians instead of decommissioned and scrapped >guaranteed new NATO member when it's over >guaranteed new EU member when it's over >almost certainly getting leased a port in the Black Sea return for all the goodies >most of EU cranked military spending realizing the barbarians are effectively at the gates >EU reliance on Russian oil down significantly >US doesn't even have to fire a shot for any of this
>nothing in return
We evidently have different ideas of what "nothing in return" means. Also, tanks, IFVs, rifles, missiles, bullets, etc. are not money.
We're killing Russians for pennies on the dollar and no Americans are coming home with PTSD, TBIs or Gulf War Syndrome. I'd say that's a pretty good deal.
>a hundred billion dollars for 100k dead ruskies
you're claiming the life of the average slav is worth literally a million dollars
I have to disagree, the cost of a single 5.56 round is worth more than a slav, and you are a retarded naggerhomosexual
CIA plz stop. I just want to talk about how cool/gay my revolver is. Just let me do that. Nobody gives a shit about Ukr anymore. Please just let me get called retarded for getting a new Python
Still just absolutely insane to me. To lose that many people, tank your economy, get hit with new sanctions, and expand NATOs borders in the region and all for what?
At this point I'm guessing they do it in an attempt to make it harder to ban them while also pretending jannies did it so they can cry about biased moderation.
You gotta get a new line, man. Unless they're an actual tranny, it's basically a non-insult. It's like calling a black guy a chink. It just doesn't make sense.
they have about 2 weeks worth of tanks and artillery left
bout three fiddy
They got shit from the norks right?
Does anyone have a graph like this but more recent? pic rel.
>7527
idk if russia does some kind of "triage" for EOL-wonr arty but they already have a serious barrel shortage (and failures) after 10-20 millions shells fired, that's like from 2000 to +10.000 barrels life.
I hate graphs like this, they're only good for showing cumulative totals, any detail which isn't extremely obvious is lost or difficult to see. Other than the aforementioned cumulative totals, they're the prime tool of those who have an agenda to push and no interest in anything else. It's almost guaranteed that whoever made this chart was only interested in showing that the T-62 is now being used. Which is very worthy in itself, but I'm sure there's a whole ton of other interesting details which are being obscured by this piece of shit graph type.
> being obscured
That's the 101 of data visualization nagger.
Nigga you are way out of line, there is a single dimension for the quantitative measures shown, presented three different ways, it is a textbook example of clear data communication
This is no 3D pie graph with clearly misleading additional dimensionality skewed view of quantities, totals, or proportions, and it clearly shows totals, moving averages, and proportions
What better way is there to show the changing proportions and raw volumes of tank platforms lost?
see
https://github.com/leedrake5/russia-ukraine
https://ukr.warspotting.net > by type
Obscure calibra went through the satellite images of LTS sites a couple months ago, there was about half of the initial stuff left with a big BUT
It was mostly moved around, which suggest the vehicles were cannibalized for parts. Lots of SPGs lacked barrels for example. I think a safe assumption is that they lost half of Soviet stock from lts so far
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>Posting lamest Uchiha
>canonically kissed Naruto
Russia has about 9000 armoured vehicles left, based on OSINT calculations. That's just from visible vehicles, might be more in sheds (lol). Note, this does not mean ALL are working or aren't fucked somehow (rust etc) but that's just a rough number.
Russia is unlikely to ever run out of BMP's short of this war going on decades.
>BMPs
They are mostly using Mtlb already lol
I think it's just because those are easier to 'fix'. I did have the break down on the numbers of what type of vehicles, but I can't find it. I can try to if you give me a bit.
Oh my mistake, they just labelled it as BMP which could mean pretty much anything. Never mind. Disregard, I suck cocks.
The cuckshed vehicles were in the best shape, they were climate controlled. They were taken out first
The reported losses correspond tightly with density of videos of ziggers being blown up and situation on the front, like big assaults.
Some juicy videos from today
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1723315813875081525
https://twitter.com/small10space/status/1723259013805052275
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1723237414385131576
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1723286431177588952
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1723285399701696579
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1723279122204328204
Thank you! Very nice footage.
>daily videos of masses of Russian armor being destroyed
>copelord posts a video of Russia bmp driving down a road shooting it's gun into the treeline to show hoe good Russia is doing
Actual working tanks they can deploy? They are all out there. Armorer vehicles that work. Same. Artillery the same.
Tanks 200, artillery 150, armored vehicles 300.
They can't really wage any offensives anymore unless it pure meat waves. They destroyed their own production by nullifying 40-50% of their 20-30 year old men. They don't have a national supply anymore chain because of man and brain power losses.
The war ruined a generation.
>They can't really wage any offensives anymore unless it pure meat waves.
Hello Avdiika.
If Avdiika keeps going like this we might be able to make a second ziggurat next to the slag fortress made entirely of Russian skulls. A ziggerat if you will.
The submarine will never not be funny.
They already used up the mythical Soviet shell stockpile, which was supposed to be night infinite. If we keep giving UA support they need, we may very well see Soviet crap gone in 1-2 years
Yes. Russia has ticked every single one of those boxes.
Why did they count the two small landing ships but not last weekend's corvette?
Russia has made official statements touching every single one of these.
i think both sides have
so the point is: dont believe any of those "official" statements - of either side
I expect Ukraine to exaggerate, I expect Russia to outright lie.
Ukraine publishes low figures at times if they published more realistic ones it might have caused some analysts to should 'game over' at Russia and assume that Ukraine had it in a bag already. It was in Ukraine's interest to play down Russian losses to get more weapons delivered to ukraine, thus the fake 'pentagon' intelligence bullshit and other such games. I'll give you something 15000 Russian soldiers arranged their own surrenders and went through. The Russian military is in collapse, only fresh mobiks will carry out any order that involves attack or advance. It is in the last chapter now, winter places a massive strain on collapsed logistics like russia has in zones at the front
Couple the logistics problems of winter with the pressure being put on the Tokmak rail line by the Ukrainian push and those units in the South are going to be suffering some serious attrition.
>I'll give you something 15000 Russian soldiers arranged their own surrenders and went through.
Come on man, when you write down numbers like that you gotta provide some kind of source
>inb4 find it yourself
You oughta provide as it is you who postes the numbers
>inb4 people will just call it propaganda/fake anyway
Any source is better than nothing, then we atleast know you didn't just make it up as bait
>Come on man, when you write down numbers like that you gotta provide some kind of source
Not him, but I believe that the Ukrainians themselves have stated a rough equivalent to this number
>trust me bro
>le both sides
This board knows about the fallacy of grey so your propaganda will have the opposite effect.
As someone who lost a friend on the Russian side to your retarded leader's policies, go to hell. I hope the nationalists regain control of the country before the economy completely disintegrates and hang you over the Kremlin in time for Christmas.
>I hope the nationalists regain control of the country
for fuck's sake anon how many times do authoritarian governments have to fail in Russia before you get the point
liberalism fucking works when not implemented in an actively destructive manner like 1991-1999
At this point I'm sure that not even the russians themselves could give you the exact number, only an approximation.
>At this point I'm sure that not even the russians themselves could give you the exact number, only an approximation.
I'd say they use the Ukrainian numbers, I doubt the kremlin actually has solid counts of losses as they have won very few engagements in six months and chaos and corruption, lies and faking it rules the Russian military in Ukraine
less than 2800 tanks including all possible hulks for salvage requiring factory work, >50% are t54. They have about 5k apcs left about 3k service grade and 2 k from reserve grade they will be down to utter shit in January and most/many Russian units already are. Artillery is mostly gone, they are using north Korean towed guns for replacements maybe 2k left mostly towed guns from the 60s, mlrs about 300 left air defence 200. Advanced systems like ballistic radars are gone, same with sat ew etc. Russia looses roughly 100 military vehicles and systems a day, by the end of november that's 2000 and will b e roughly 500 tanks, 500 apcs, 500 artillery systems and the rest aa, c&c etc. From a neutral observation position Russia is actually militarily and strategically insane right now. They should have retreated from Ukraine before winter. The Russian forces left in Ukraine at the front will die there, both morale and logistics have collapsed, not will collapse, have collapsed. Any semi modern equipment on the Russian front lines is a rare beast
>+20.000 vehicles and arty in less than 2 years
That's just one step below of being Barbarossa tier (ignoring air).
it is what it is, 10k of them are 4x4s, trucks and fuel trucks, the remaining 20k is tanks, apcs, ifvs, eng,c&c, AA, EW,mlrs etc
1130 men dead or wounded, in just one day.
I can't wrap my head around this madness.
>1130 men dead or wounded, in just one day.
>I can't wrap my head around this madness.
oh no that's just killed wounded could be anything from 1500 to 3500 more, deserted and pow from acouple of hundred to a thousand. The russian military is in complete suicidal mythical lemming shitfest mode because putin is desperate and wanted a 'victory' by the end of October and did not get one
Russian total defeat is 100% on track now.
If these numbers were anywhere near true the Russian lines would have collapsed months ago.
The # of dead personnel is likely exaggerated, but remember that Russia is throwing guys onto the line with literally 2 weeks of training -- and sometimes less. For a military that was taking its time training people, these losses would be unsustainable. For a country that cared about its people or future, they would be unacceptable. But Russia is neither of those. They are fine with throwing people into the grinder.
But it's working, at least to hold the line. T-55s suck balls compared to an Abrams but Ukraine has 30 Abrams and Russia has like 1000 T-55s. They're good enough to be a threat to infantry, and foot infiltration is the only way past the minefield spam.
>Abrams but Ukraine has 30 Abrams and Russia has like 1000 T-55s.
D you think we should ask Ukraine to give up 15 of the Abrams, to make it fair?
Neg, i could do it with 10.
the level of delusion is actually entertaining kek
Russia or more correctly Putin and hus shit bag military advisors that never saw combat are to blame.
They are acting like they can wage war like it is 1915 or 1942 but the state cannot handle those kind of losses anymore. Hell the CCCP knew that and did not throw away men in Afghanistan for nothing at this dumb scale and still cause massive problems down the road.
>Russia has had and will at a increasing rate a Negative immigration rate.
Why can't it?
Russian birth rates back then were 8-10 kids per woman. Now it's 1.5 per.
At current casualty rates, Russia is losing .5% of its population a year (all concentrated in the working age men bracket).
Demographics my slow friend. The times have changed and the biggest bottle neck for nations to grow and prosper is a young population.
The LAST thing Russia needs is more land they can't improve and having to be a slave state to China. This is in exchange of their most precious resource: their young.
Look at what Russia is now not what the Soviets were. They are Nigeria with snow. They have lost the population and the industrial might they leaned on other countries for.
There is no limitless red wave. Putin is single handedly making sure we see the end of Russia as a nation in the next 70 years at most.
Demographic implosion, lack of any real hope in the system or a future, if you want to know how it feels visit one those ol shrinking towns where all the young people already left, Russia is a gutted society, the only non fossil fuel industry, IT technologies, was fucked back in 2022 because Putin didn't, couldn't understand in the long term having thriving human capital will always be better than an entire continent of natural resources, to put you into perspective, even the saudies and the other arab monarchs have somehow come to understand one day their grandchildren wont have oil to play as sugardaddies of the world.
Eh, as long as women are not dying in droves, the demographic effect of wars is limited. If we are talking cummulative effect (refuges, etc), it is clearly (much) greater on Ukraine, and even just taking Mariupol covers most of the Russian direct battle losses till now. And in 70 years, the demographic effect of the war will pale in comparision to the demographic struggles most countries are expiriencing now.
Maybe in the bronze age when chieftains could take ten wives and have sixty kids but not today.
Now women can have (normal-status) children even without being wives.
And that was just Corona. What do you think happened to the lines in the last two years?
Corona mostly kills those who will not have any more children. The births are more concerning, but (not-total) wars have limited effect on those.
people are ignoring what part of russia's demographics is taking the hit right now, it's all the age ranges that actually produce children.
that was already a tiny percentage of russia's total population, it was mostly old people who were never gonna upkeep their population to the same level, now it's even worse.
>women are not dying in droves
Take a look at their immigration rates friend.
The war is driving their population out, their young population out.
Look back at any of the coverage of Mariupol. Who were the people that stayed in the City? You can the fighters and the old people in their basements.
Russia gained the old. This fixes nothing.
The war is killing off your future, there is nothing to be gained from it.
It is truly sad that Russia is trying to eat their brother and will most likely kill him off but he has sealed his fate with one of the worst Birth to Dearh ratios in the world. Showing the world you are a monster doesn't make people want to live their so Russians with the means will continue to flee year after year.
>And in 70 years, the demographic effect of the war will pale in comparision to the demographic struggles most countries are expiriencing now.
Bold of you to assume there will still be a russia 70 years from now. Perhaps in the same sense that there was a holy roman empire, sure.
I assume Ukraine is in the same situation, if not worse, due to it's smaller population size, no?
They keep killing Russians at a rate higher than the population difference.
They don't, but they claim they they do so their fanboys have copium.
Uh huh. Cool story, pidor.
Cope and project harder.
Bear in mind, that chart is based on figures released by the Russian federal government
I would say they are indeed in bad shape but they may still be capable to drag this for most of 2024, if anything Monke has shown a willingness to keep feeding men to the meatgrinders and they will keep sending an ever dwindling supply of AFVs and artillery, with an ever increasing percentage of low tier tanks.
Still the last russian offensive sounds a lot like they are trying to break Ukraine, or more precisely Ukraine's supporters willingness to sustain the war effort.
I honestly believe russians still don't really understand the level of hatred ukrainians have developed for them, that alone will keep them fighting for years with or without west support, if anything an ukrainian just needs to visit /chug/ to want to kill all russians on sight, I hope /misc/ keeps their hate-speech.
>Ukraine's supporters willingness to sustain the war effort
Germany has budgeted Ukraine support with a 10% increase per year up until 2032. UK has budgeted military support to 2028, EU to 2027.
No way Russia can keep up what they are doing for that long.
>2032
The teutonic brain just functions differently from any other.
Yes there are shit bags in the US congress wanting their TV time but most have a few brain cells and know that giving Ukraine our old stock to modernize our military for the future is a win for all.
>win for us economy as military equipment supports massive us jobs from big to small
>win for our military as they don't have to pay some kid to change the oil and tune up the M311 or Bradley again
>win for Ukraine as they are fighting to to be eaten by their so called brother
>Win for American might in the eyes of other Nation that may want to start shit
All of this for a fucking rounding error of funds.
>so far the US has used 0.003% of GDP per year to keep Ukraine supplied
Why not just pay people to dig and fill ditches?
Found out in the Great New Deal during the depression that doing that was a money sink.
But having them build bridges and real things that are useful had a knock on effect.
>Bridge needs steel and concrete
>steel orders go up and production does as well lowering costs
>same with concrete
Now other builders can build other things at better cost rates and they increase the number of projects. This is where the real growth comes from. Yes the bridge is fine and will lower some transport costs but giving all the small industries down the line a shot in the arm is how you turn a one time stimulus into growth.
Same with the military complex. All the metals mined, small machine shops across the country, higher end electronics, the main facilities where they are assembled like Lockheed, Boeing ect..
Also all those that support the people directly involved, builders for expansion of facilities, food near the workplace, transportation drivers for product and materials.
Paying g someone to sit on their ass or just do busy work has been tried but found to be far effective at doing the stated goal of bringing as many people as you can to a higher standard of living.
FDRs handling of the depression was an absolute failure.
That's a third world tier opinion and strategy, when you've got a massive surplus of labour and nothing modern that you can use to make them productive then massively overpaying for labour is really your only option, but it's silly when you have a functioning economy and plenty of industry to sustain it, not silly in that it wouldn't put dollars in people's pockets, silly in that you're trading away the opportunity to actually do something worthwhile with those units of labour, time, and money
Option one is to just do nothing, dig and fill ditches
Option two is build a road
Which one is better?
Speaker went pro ukie aid in like 24 hrs lmao
You would have to be legitimately retarded or an actual traitor to not see the ridiculous value in supporting Ukraine, even a total cynic must understand that trading old equipment and some money for the destruction of the Russian military, with no US lives lost, is one of the best geopolitical opportunities to present itself in a while
This.
The Ukrainan war is the best possible way to reduce the threat of Russia's geopolitical ambitions. Both to Europe, Nato and world in general. We get to reduce Russia's military to rubble, empty their soviet-era weapon stockpiles, thrash their economy and deal them a blow that they will not recover in the next 20-30 years. And they will not be able to do military shit abroad in decades.
And all this can be achieved WITH MONEY! Just throw Ukies some old cold-war era weapons and vehicles from mothball storages, bankroll them with economic aid, and everyone will THANK you for it. A massive good guy move in international politics stage. No Johnny Yankee or Billy Brit-Bong need to go abroad to die in some foreign war far away.
And compared to some Afghan excursion all this can be achieved with PEANUTS level money? Who the fuck does not see the strategic advantages in that? You really have to be actively traitorous or brainless retard to NOT want all that.
This is an opportunity that Pentago strategists couldn't have even DREAMED about a few years ago. This is better than ANYTHING they could come up with.
Russia is irrelevent and laundering hundreds of billions of tax dollars through ukraine does not benefit Americans.
If anything, the biggest losers in this debacle are Europeans who no longer have access to cheap Russian oil and gas.
Oh fuck nooooo, im gettting..... demotivated!
How can this be.... NAFO SISTERSSSSSS AAAAAAA
John from frankfurt oblast here, its over, its so over!
>irrelevant
They sit on my land, sell my oil to the fucking chinks and marry my mail brides on fucking brownoids.
>Russia is irrelevant
Not yet, but thanks to this war it will be soon.
>laundering
You can't "launder" military surplus equipment, retard.
>muh cheap oil and gas
It was never worth the cost in being beholden to an untrustworthy and unreliable trade partner such as Russia.
In summary: Kys, vatnagger shill. This war is the best use of american tax dollars in decades.
TV time like I said.
Shame congress has attracted the media pigs. I need people making laws that can do basic math not shits that want there face on tv.
>win for us economy as military equipment supports massive us jobs from big to small
They create jobs! how wonderful!
>win for our military as they don't have to pay some kid to change the oil and tune up the M311 or Bradley again
They remove jobs! how wonderful!
Are you a nagger?
How retarded do you honestly have to be to write something so fucking stupid?
4Chin doesn't have an IQ requirement to post, but "at least equal to room temperature" really should be a place to start.
>:
no arguement
The current push is all about the rail line going through the southern landbridge
That line is a vital logistics corridor for the Russians and it is currently cut at both the Tokmak Junction and a section just outside Donetsk city
The Russians have to push the Ukrainians away from at least one of the cut sections and soon or else the sectors isolated from the rail network will run out of supplies and collapse
Since assaulting out of Tokmak is no longer viable (because fresh supplies now have to go all the way through Crimea just to get to the starting line) the Russians are throwing everything they have in the Avdiivka direction instead
Unfortunately for them, Avidiivka is just one of several objectives they would need to take to open up the line because the Ukies are only ten kilometres away along a several dozen kilometre stretch of line just east of Donetsk city and unlike at Robotnye they are not confined to a small salient so their arty can shoot and scoot much more effectively along the entire section that they have under fire control
>The Russian forces left in Ukraine at the front will die there, both morale and logistics have collapsed, not will collapse, have collapsed.
It's weird how people almost don't notice this. The crossing of the Dnipro wouldn't happen if there wasn't a logistical collapse, and it's further evidence that all that attrition actually did do something.
>The Russian forces left in Ukraine at the front will die there, both morale and logistics have collapsed, not will collapse, have collapsed.
Why would Ukraine exploit this with some meme landing and not pushing for Tokmak if true
The latter clearly has more long-term significance
Right now ukrainian strategy seems to aim to force the Russians to overstretch, especially down south where they can continously strike at the russian supply and communications lines through Tokmak and Crimea.
It's essentially a larger-scale version of what they've been doing at Avdiivka the last couple days, where they kept hitting russian reinforcement columns with drones and artilelry before they even got to the front. That's one of the big reasons why russian attacks there have gotten nowhere despite their nominal numbers.
Isn't that also the general strat they used to liberate Kharkiv/Kherson? Seems like its got a solid track record if so.
Kharkiv was only possible because the russians left it minimally manned after sending reinforcements to Kherson. Kherson was only possible because there was a wide as fuck river in the way of supplies.
Unless Ukies manage to crack the Kerch bridge in half it will be much more difficult this time
Probably because this war has shown that artillery supporting lightly manned trenches with anti tank weaponry can cause disproportionate losses to armored thrusts without air support. Think Ukraine's just gonna pick away at Russia hoping for a collapse at this point using small advances to try and start the avalanche. They realized this quite quickly with the counteroffensive, why makes the mistakes Russia refuses to learn from.
>Russia looses roughly 100 military vehicles and systems a day
Sweet Lord...
>losing a Portuguese Army every two days
grim (for Portugal)
Are we looking at the same numbers, here?
Russia could sustain this for another 5 years.
Yeah they're not gaining anything from it but they haven't gained anything so far.
Personally, I want them to do this for 5 more years. They deserve it after they occupied my country for 40 years
>Russia could sustain this for another 5 years.
No Russia can't. More like five months. Sustain is a debatable term in that context as well, Russia's diplomatic influence and economy is gone for good along with its conventional military. Hardly 'sustaining'
They're defending fortified positions, they can keep this up forever unless an actual world war breaks out.
The Ukrainians are defending fortified positions. The Russians keep slamming their faces into walls at the cost of over a thousand men A DAY in some cases. The only time the casualties per day slow down is when the Russians slow down or otherwise reduce the intensity of their attacks.
I shouldn't have to say this so damn often on /k/ but the defenders, Ukraine, do not need to constantly be pushing forward. They have the luxury of being able to hold the line and let attrition do it's thing. The Russians on the other hand HAVE to advance. They MUST regain momentum or the Ukrainians can just grind them down until they can safely make another big offensive. This is a catastrophic situation for Russia. If they cannot regain momentum, and no I don't mean gaining 100 yards over a few weeks with thousands dead for it, the war is already over. They MUST balance out the catastrophic casualties with big gains. If they cannot do that eventually they'll lose the attrition war and Ukraine will kick them out at minimum.
It's a retarded shill or he's trying to troll by pretending to be retarded. Either way he's not even trying to hide it. Disengage anon, disengage.
Brainlet or underage or both
Fantastic rebuttal. I am both totally demoralized and utterly defeated.
Both. You're both, and a zigger subhuman to boot.
There will be some economic damage but I think you're really overstating things. It's not like they're sending their women off to die. And they definitely have enough tanks and artillery pieces for at least 3 years at this pace.
>Russia could sustain this for another 5 years
Good... Good.
I wonder how long it would take for pozziyan civilians to wonder where the death benefits for their conscripted sons and husbands are
I imagine legions of impoverished old people and women who've lost their husbands being tossed out on the street, going cap in hand to the benefits office only to be told some varient of "nyet, hoosband is just MIA near Tokmak 30 month ago, no moneys or lada or potato for you!"
>Russia could sustain this for another 5 years.
I would love to see the complete collapse of Russia before 2030. Thank you Putin!
The russians are about to be massacred at regimental scale at Avdiivka, that will be effectively them finished tank/apc/artillery wise as in they will be significantly lower in quantity and quality afterwards. I expect Russian losses to be 1-2 thousand a day for the next three weeks. Muh dumb fuck putin offensive with the end of the last batch of fresh equipped mobiks
Russia crossed the railroad and took Stepove today. Ukraine's days in Adviivka are numbered.
yeah sure whatever can you call it a war yet chucklefuck?
Another 50 meters advanced?
>Another 50 meters advanced?
it was most of section zb of the grain loading area which is greater than 50 m in width
2 more human waves and the hohol will know everything.
Russia assigned 40 thousand men to attack Avdiivka, over 12 thousand of which are likely dead at this point. They can't sustain this level of losses for long
I think the 40,000 gathering are on top of the already dead. Don't undersell how many dead they will have before the battle is over.
Considering all the telegram videos i see every day directly from the frontline, my guess is those 40.000 will be gone within 2 weeks.
Watch ukies go full retard and not pull out in time
I read this entire post genuinely thinking it was about Russia and the Russian government's official party line and it was only until I read the replies did I realize it was actually a seething vatnagger accusing Ukraine of everything Russia is guilty of. It's the old propaganda meme: "Always accuse the enemy of what you yourself are doing"
Wait, how is that post not about Russia? Those are all things Russia has claimed.
>Yeah but French will backpedal soon in two months
What in the quoted text makes you think the French aren't fully committed?
>The French president said it was the "duty" of his country and all countries to support Ukraine in its defence.
That doesn't sound like someone that wants to pull out.
>He said it was "not yet" time for Ukraine to come to the table, and stressed the decision to negotiate was Kyiv's alone.
This sounds like France is fully behind Ukraine too.
It appears you made that loss of support part up. Sounds like you spread lies.
Why would you do such a thing?
Did you think he was a prophet?
>What in the quoted text makes you think the French aren't fully committed?
Here
>But he added there may come a time to "have fair and good negotiations, and to come back to the table and find a solution with Russia".
Sounds like he's implying that Ukraine must make a peace deal on Russia's terms if it doesn't achieve anything meaningful in those two months.
I'm glad to be proven wrong though. I'm just doomer
>Sounds like he's implying that Ukraine must make a peace deal on Russia's terms
You mean by saying they fully support and continue supporting Ukraine and it's decisions, they really imply they want to pull support?
What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to reach to that conclusion?
>You mean by saying they fully support and continue supporting Ukraine and it's decisions, they really imply they want to pull support?
No, by saying that Ukraine to have 'fair' and 'good' negotiations with Russia and find a solution with them
I have it on good authority that Russia will run out in 14 days.
I've said it many times before.
It is STUPID to leave Russia's MIC intact. Take out their factories already. Give Ukraine the means to do it.
Russia and Ukraine are demographically fucked. The west is fucked too although browns and blacks make the official statistics look prettier.
people fail to understand how long this front-line is, it's several 100 miles and russia needs to supply every mile with enough troops, ammunition and vehicles or the next gesture of goodwill happens
And tents km deep because of the HIMARS and similars that Ukraine got.
tens*
Real question here.
How long can Russia sustain these kinds of losses?
I know a lot of the lost manpower wasn't "proper" russians, but damn. At what point does an army stop and say "fuck it my dudes, we've lost too many men and machines"?
>Real question here.
>How long can Russia sustain these kinds of losses?
Russias evaporating equipment may run on its dregs until May at latest but they will just be in an abattoir from February to may and sitting ducks with no real way to fight back. Russia is just absorbing Ukrainian munitions and generating destroyed Russian equipment and dead russian troops right now. They can keep doing that with lower and lower quality mobiks and barely functioning t54s and d30 artillery that gets one shot off begore the whole battery is levelled. In the end Russia runs out of gear completely in the first half of next year. The thing is this has really been the situation for the second half of 2023 as well, the end of any decent equipment and increasing volumes of completely obsolete artillery and armour and increased use of penal battalion tactics and field executions. Military history shows us that Russia situation is not tenable, they can pretend all is well in Moscow right up to the point Ukrainian tanks are in Sevastopol and routed troops are walking back home all over Russia telling people what happened. Look at the propaganda shit they are still spraying into the third world brics and internets, Russia is a place of insanity that has disconnected from any reason or logic.
>How long can Russia sustain these kinds of losses?
Forever as they are only propaganda numbers.
IIRC Estonian intelligence said Russia can keep up 2-3 years fightingmore in less publicized statement
why should we believe Estonia's intelligence over others
Its a country too small to wipe Europe's butt
>1
>It's HATO's fault we carpet bombed Mariupol and other cities into dust!
>2
>HATO trannies are at our boarder! No, we won't provide evidence.
>3
>israeliteensky is the literal, not figurative, LITERAL Anti-Christ!
>4
>We are the last bastion against globohomo! Don't look up our stats on fucking everything. That's not relevant.
>5
>They nuked Dumbass children for 8 years! No, we won't post evidence. No, don't compare it to evil oinkraine cities our brave heroes liberated.
>6
>Bio-geese, bio-weapons, dirty nuke bombs, Azov-steroid warriors, bio-virus that targets Russians specifically (oinkraine are malorussians/little russians, look, don't worry about it)
>7
>xaxaxa*~~)) oinkraine piggers lost all of their air force this week*~~) again*~~ they'll lose it again the next too*~~) All HIMARS destroyed before they were even delivered*~~)
>8
>Gonzalo Lyra, Shaman, Dugin and Kim support us!
>9
>We fight the nazis! They weren't nazis pre 2014... look don't worry about it. Also, they're israelites! And trans too!
>10
>Strelkov, Surovikin, Prigozhin are all traitors!
The vatnig pidor howls like a wounded animal as he throws a drunken haymaker.
They are, Vanya. If you had enough weapons to make a capable fighting force, you wouldn't be getting your forces cubed in Avdiivka.
idk like 30 or something
I'm sorry, the idea that some escaped vatnagger from pol is actually shilling for putin in late 2023 when he can't even call it a war legally because reasons is too fucking stupid. Just fuck off. Ukraine has curb stomped the Russian military and there is no shortage of evidence. Do fuck off now. Ukraine is stocked until 2025 and is having tank and ammo factories built i it for fuck sake. Meanwhile Russia is out of cash reserves and holding out begging bowls to north korea for material from the 1960s
>israelite putin cuck israelite tranny zog gulaghobo dilate!
>(israelitepostimg will surely work this time comrade)
>israelites israelites israelites lies
Avdiivka was an absolute banger for Puccia then, huh, Vanya? Why is the world's 2nd military superpower and the sole counterweight to NATO struggling to hold the line against it's own former vassals state? Any more "literally who" twitter caps?
Maybe retarded question:
Why are the loss numbers for MLRS comparativly low?
Didn't russia have a metric shit ton of those things?
Aren't they used as much as they were built?
Is this just the wrong war for the system?
>Why are the loss numbers for MLRS comparativly low?
They are not low/. Russia only had 900-1300 in service pre invasion, 1100 probable. They have lost 879 that's 79% loss in line with the rest of the Russian military. They have a tiny number of their initial semi modern ones left and they turned out to be shit. Muh theromobaric TOS just makes a nice explosion when it gets hit. They brought a lot of ancient crap which is little better than lorries with some pipes welded on made in the late 60s in but their ammunition is very difficult to transport, it is long and fills a lorry easily with very little and is bad logistical value compared to artillery shells, plus the old truck MLRS are inaccurate and relatively short range. Some analyst wrote a blinding article of the woes of Russian logistics and mlrs ammunition you can probably find on a search. Its not even *having* it it is getting it to somewhere it can be used in any quantity
I recognize every single one of them from Russian statements.
>still israeliteposting and spamming pol tier shit ab out muh royssia still having a hope of winning the not a war in Ukraine. Let me know when you can call it a war. The world is laughing at Russia as it dies.
Too many, still needs more destroyed
do you think spamming mindlessly for 18 months for muh royssia and retarded lies has stopped it loosing this war?
>tradition is tradition
i haven't been paying attention to this since kherson was retaken... how the fuck has russia lost >300k personnel?
those are killed and wounded though
zalyuzhny said the dead are 140k
Cool story, bro.
he said minimally 150k, vatshit
no way they lost all those tanks
don't worry about it, get in the polutorka
>politics posting homosexual has a 5 second memory
lmao
1. No.
2. Fuck off leave.
What the fuck is /misc/ about saying how contrarian both political parties have become and how whatever one side says is good the other says is bad. I'm sick of both political parties, and especially my own party of Conservatives right now where a lot of them don't want to help Ukraine because they think the only reason we would help Ukraine is the whole "Hunter Biden" bullshit. It's like they refuse to acknowledge the fact that we have an opportunity to cause catastrophic damage to one of our biggest enemies of the 20th century without having to risk even a single of our soldier's lives.
>what is /misc/ about sperging off about american internal politics on /k/
I love angry little palm tigers
>voted no: Belarus, Russia, Nicaragua, North Korea, Syria
Is BRNNS the new BRICS?
It's like a third-world RWBY
>It's like they refuse to acknowledge the fact that we have an opportunity to cause catastrophic damage to one of our biggest enemies of the 20th century without having to risk even a single of our soldier's lives.
YUP it has opened my eyes to the fact they most of them are not people with any real idea of what standing up for American interests means. All I hear is if the other team is for it we are against it. leave that crap for sports teams and highshool drama.
Fucking insane, shits think acting like a tweens on Xbox live.
/misc/ is pro-Russian. Or maybe just Russian.
That's just politics anon. You never praise your rivals or give them credit for any successes, instead you call out their failures and try to undercut their successes. Republicans started to turn on support for Ukraine the moment it started making Biden look good last year and give him something to brag about. So they spun it as wasteful spending to try and get focus back on the economy which has been weak under Biden. If Ukraine had folded last year they would be screaming how we should have had boots on the ground day one and how about how weak Biden was during the invasion. It's all just politics.
Enough to use them as mine sweepers it looks like.
>MInes clearly visible.
>Zhukov their way through the field.
>wat?
Is because of the angle that the mines are hidden in the grass at ground level?, doe snot seem that tall...
lots and lots
biden doesn't give a shit anymore so let the steamrolling begin once more
Does Putin 100% die if Russia loses the war?
Not 100% sure of that but what I am sure of is Putin thinks he will.
He could unironically move to NK
I doubt that. If he has to move to the NK he lost most of his influence and power and at that point he has no value to the norks.
The problem is that the kremlin will be able to spin almost anything as a win
If they lose Crimea then that's it, there is no spin able to convince anyone other than an utter retard that this was a W
but even a status quo ante bellum peace could be spun as "we destroyed 50 billion hato troops and demilitarised Ukraine which is now just totally dependent on the West for everything" and your average Muscovite will just be glad the war ended before they got drafted
Putin still has given basically no indication that he doesn't want maximalist objectives though.
I am pro Ukraine, I wan. I was borne in Ukraine myself but this shit is getting so fucking tiresome.
From all the previous news and reports by now it feels like Russia should be in the negatives when it comes to vehicles. Russians soldier morale should have been 0 last winter.
I was listening to podcast with Aristovitch, where he counted Russian rockets and that homosexual did a U turn and said "lol I was jk", "I said Russia was running out of shit to keep morals high".
I get that everyone reports optimistic numbers, Russian mod has destroyed NATO 4 times over by now.
If I was not Ukrainian myself I would just install a web filter on my browser to hide ANYTHING related to Ukraine/Russia.
What Ukraine has done is incredible. Purely stopping a nation like Russia from rolling over your country is an impressive feat. But this is the reality of the situation. Ukraine is still a country not part of a bigger initiative. This is going to be a long war. I think the current strategy is the right one. Just wear them down into oblivion. After that you'll see economic commitments from Europe which will put you in a better position and you can start to rebuild your country.
Hm, if you listen to serious analysts then not really. Let's take tanks for example: Russia had 3.2k tanks in ACTIVE service, 1.6k in operational reserve and an unspecified number of them in long term storage. Nobody really knew what state LTS tanks are in, because it was hard to tell from satellite imagery, but they are numbered in the thousands. Strategic reserves are given total factory refurbish and some are modernized to newer standards. Also not every destroyed tank stays destroyed, unless it suffers ammo detonation, it can be recovered and repaired.
If all of the tanks from lts than can be brought to service, would be, then the total number if rus tanks pre invasion would be around 10k, as a rough estimate. There's also completely new production, but it's insignificant at this point compared to repair and refurbishment.
Soviet vehicles have shit visibility
Reminder, if there is excessive shilling today it's probably because TASS reported that Russian forces were withdrawing from their positions on the east side of the Dnipro and then released a statement stating they were wrong and it wasn't happening. Which means it is definitely happening.
So the 'land bridge' the whole special needs operation is for is at risk now?
It's bigger than that mang. If the Ukrainians drive the Russians completely out of Kherson Oblast and push on to Melitopol then the Russians are *almost* at status quo antebellum, meaning Russia spent all those machines, men, and treasure for nothing. There is absolutely no way to spin that as anything other than a decisive defeat.
Still, wait a little bit to get hyped yeah? This could just as easily be a nothingburger as it could be Kharkiv 2.0.
>Reminder, if there is excessive shilling today it's probably because TASS reported that Russian forces were withdrawing from their positions on the east side of the Dnipro and then released a statement stating they were wrong and it wasn't happening. Which means it is definitely happening.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-moves-some-troops-more-favourable-positions-east-dnipro-river-ria-2023-11-13/
"In a series of three alerts on Monday, the RIA state news agency said that the command of Russia’s Dnepr group of forces had decided to relocate troops to “more favourable positions” east of the Dnipro. It said that, after the regrouping, the Dnepr force would release some troops to be deployed in offensives on other fronts"
Like clockwork
>Does anyone know how many tanks and artillery Russia has left?
Nort5h Korea maybe
I'm fully convinced even if the Russians ran out of everything but beat to shit nuggets that didn't make it to foreign sale and were losing 10k men a day they'd still try to advance.
>I'm fully convinced even if the Russians ran out of everything but beat to shit nuggets that didn't make it to foreign sale and were losing 10k men a day they'd still try to advance.
yeah?
How goes the 3-day special military operation to denazify ukraine, comrade?
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1724005357452775930
>sorry, 90s technology of the USA
heem sleepy
Glory to Putin and his quest to see the end of Russia.
Russia will not be defeated until they accept they are defeated. They won't do that unless absolutely forced to. What they will do is waste at minimum tens of thousands of lives every month on this until they no longer have a population of breeding age men large enough to sustain their country. Then they will send the women. Russia is a death cult in nation form.
>from "Three day SMO in Ukraine"
>to "Ha, Russia hasn't collapsed yet!"
>whom are you quoting?
(You)
Huh. He looks like Will Ferrell.
Please go leave with the rest of the retards and stay there. The "cope" threads are the ones acting like Russia is at all winning while suffering such impressively bad casualties with nearly completely stalled front lines. How many lives has it cost them to gain that little blob north of Avdiivka? Again, the Russians will kill themselves off before admitting defeat. This war's going to go for a long time and it'll only end one way, and it's not the way you want.
It's absolutely hilarious how those spergs with their shiba avatars trigger you guys btw. <3
>he lets normies with dog avatars and trannies live in his head rent free
>his so-called 2nd army of the world still hasn't conquered the shithole next door
top fucking kek
>Psychological projection is a defence mechanism of alterity concerning "inside" content mistaken to be coming from the "outside" Other.[
projection is completely different from me going "no u"
The problem is based on the footage available the Ukie claims are a LOT more believable. The Ukies stop if they're losing to much. Meanwhile the Russians just seem to be in full "UUURAH!" mode and that doesn't work when the other side has effective artillery and you can't seem to avoid mines even when they're not even buried.
Basically this. Russian shills got no evidence as the ukrainan ones. I dont trust their numbers, but when I personally seen half of the reported number in webms dying, I believe it more than the russian "trust us" method
>can give you the source if you want
Please do. The only references to your 15 million figure I can find refers to the number of Ukrainians displaced by the war. I suppose that all those people coming back after the Russians are driven out WOULD be 15 million immigrants now wouldn't it?
>In any case Ukraine too harder losses, their demographs openly talk
please learn english before posting thirdie
>nooooo, the west can't help rebuild Ukraine after the war and see its people return!
>noooo, you can't let Ukraine into the EU!
Wew, it's been a while since I saw this particular bit of zigger propaganda.
They literally enough to fight for years. BUT, those tanks will get increasingly shittier and shittier.
They are still manufacturing like 200/year T90s, but it will likely be a couple T90s with mostly T62s in the future.
The soviets went completely insane in their concept of 'how much I need to store'
>zigger spergout ITT
I am John Johnston from Milwaukee TX and I am demoralized. Please president biden stop sending our economy to israelite lesenski!!
>In any case Ukraine too harder losses,
Them provenly killing 3-5 Russians for every man they lose means they "took harder losses" now? LMAO.
>Does anyone know how many tanks and artillery Russia has left?
Not Putin, that's for sure
Zelensky isn't losing. Are you retarded? He's held off Russia for 2 years
Check wikipedia.
t-72 - 25000
bmp1 - 20000
t54/55 - 100000
except they can't do that because they're attriting far faster than the ukrainians are and they need the war to end as soon as possible, that's why you saw that massive wave of
>i-it's over goyim pls stop supporting ukraine
shilling the last few weeks.
Anyone else find it odd that the zigger shills start up at almost the exact same time every single day? Seriously, it's always between roughly 7am to 9am eastern standard time, every day like it's their job. I would hope they're at least getting paid and don't shill for the neo Soviet Union but with more AIDS for free.
>I would hope they're at least getting paid and don't shill for the neo Soviet Union but with more AIDS for free
Some do in fact do it for free because every country has useful retards and half-retards who think they'll get a reward some day when the bald midget recognizes their worth and gives them land in Siberia or some shit.
It's their job
Shame they don't have a military genius like you to tell them that, they just keep sending their shit boxes full of mobiks in to get slaughtered by the tens of thousands.
This is why I hate talking about war with tourists from other boards. It's like talking to children.
The counter-offensive aimed towards Tokmak was hardly "disastrous". If they had kept trying to push full steam ahead casualties be damned like the Russians do it absolutely would have been though. Failure doesn't mean it's "disastrous". Losing ungodly numbers of men and critical irreplaceable equipment like the Russians seem to do on a daily basis however is.
The Russians can't reliably shell jack shit. Ukrainian counter-battery is really good and something the Russians really have no answer to at this point. If you just sit there and play WWI you're going to be eating GMLRS or accurate counter-battery shelling for it. The Russians also just flat aren't even trying to do that. They are throwing thousands of men at places like Avdiivka with obscenely high casualties and extremely small gains to show for it. The gains/casualties ratio of the Russian military at this stage in the war is absolutely abysmal to the point that nearly every other nation on earth would have stopped. I don't think even China would keep going with losses like this. The norks probably would though.
Produced doesn't mean currently in Russian hands or currently functional. They DID have a frighteningly large armored force that a lot of people were worried was going to flood through the Fulda gap like a river. Honestly I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the USSR of the late 70s to early 80s could shitstomp modern Russia in a non-nuclear match up because the vehicles they had hadn't fallen victim to even worse post-soviet corruption yet.
>This is why I hate talking about war with tourists from other boards. It's like talking to children.
"disastrous counter attack" is literally a zigger code phrase
These fucking ESL retards get programmed keywords to hit, partly because they probably can't string together coherent english sentences without relying on them and partly because they get paid 10 rupees for each one or some shit
>Honestly I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the USSR of the late 70s to early 80s could shitstomp modern Russia
It's not even a fucking contest, how could you EVER doubt the outcome of that?
Because there was still fuckloads of corruption in the USSR too, it just got way worse. Modern Russia does have a few things in their favor like significantly better aircraft and many more guided weapons that are also more advanced. That still only gives so much of an advantage. I'd put it it ~60/40 in favor of the Soviets.
I'm not saying that failure and taking a bunch of losses for it isn't bad, but "disastrous" is in a different category. Yes it was far from ideal but Ukraine isn't down entire divisions over it and still have plenty of vehicles handy. They DID take a chunk land though, and their gains/casualties is undoubtedly better than that of the Russians. Ukraine is also still actively getting more and more foreign aid replacing some of the vehicles and equipment lost.
You should also keep in mind that by western standards failure period is a bit of a disaster. That's unrealistic for this conflict and we can't apply ourselves to Ukraine like that. We're used to having insanely low casualties and stomping around slaughtering whoever we want as we fight people so far below us they might as well be cavemen.
>I don't think even China would keep going with losses like this.
I think the chinks would be willing to take losses like that, but only if they got appreciable results for it instead of barely budging the forntlines like the ziggers are doing right now.
>they can sit behind their fortifications and shell Ukranians
Yeah. Why do they keep sending meatwaves tho? I, myself, was pretty sure they woud just sit in defence.
Anon, I'm gonna be honest with you: you are not knowledgable enough to butt in the way you do.
What you are suggesting, is that the one who attacked the other nation, who went into defensive mind you, should just sit back, in occupied land, and shell the natives, who have higher range artillery.
Please explain to me how thats a good idea
>State bald faced lie
>"xaxaxa western hohol sources agree"
>"Also look they blame shrubs xaxaxa"
>post cap from three fucking months ago talking about battlefield conditions
It's hilarious how thirdies literally can't comprehend how everyone in the west has a high school education and so the only people who'll fall for their turd world shit flinging is retards - the ones who are already on their side.
I do but Putin made me pinky swear I wouldn't tell.
>have artillery that (at worst) is equal to what Ukraine can muster
I'm surprised you could put all the russian propaganda talking points into one paragraph
>They already annexed all the territory that voted to join Russia
Gee willikers it's almost like you're either a mongoloid tourist or a fucking lying zigger because they definitely "annexed" Kherson and put up posters saying it was Russian forever... remind me who owns it now?
>have artillery that (at worst) is equal to what Ukraine can muster
Gee willikers it's almost like you're either a mongoloid tourist or a fucking lying zigger because we've been laughing at how HIMARs has single-handedly cucked the entirety of the pozziyan artillery corps for over twenty months now
For once the Jannies are acting based and deleting your fucking effluence so i sincerely -- and I really mean this -- I genuinely hope you are a real Russian being paid to shill, I hope your handlers see how absolutely shit you are at this, and I hope you spend Christmas gut shot and freezing to death in a field near Adiivka.
Its not the jannies, he delete them himself for victim points. People who get banned gets all their comments removed, while the ones posted by /misc/ tourists are deleted one at a time.
/misc/ was never good, but it is just sad to see how far they've sunk. 2016 killed that place, 2020 drove off the few stubborn survivors, and 2022 turned it into /leftypol/ tankie central. It's almost as pathetic as modern /b/ is.
>ihr Kampf
>hownew
Low tier jannies delete the posts which were actually reported, then forward the case to higher rank moderators if they believe the ban is necessary.
Ban and mass-deletion of posts are only applied once a moderator gets to review the case, which can take anywhere from a few minutes to a week. I sometimes get banned for posts days after the thread drops off the board.
I'd fuck stonetoss's marshmallow man
okay now you're not even trying to bait, you're just flat out retarded if you think people will fall for this.
you however, are so secure in your victory that you have to constantly tour boards to tell the other side to give up.
again, i've said this many times, but you do realize that the very fact that you're here shilling in the first place is proof that statement is a bold-faced lie right?
(you)
now stop fishing little buddy, the bait got bad
Stop giving him nibbles.
>Does anyone know how many tanks and artillery Russia has left?
that's the fun part
no one really knows
there are estimates on visuals
and some documents on old soviet stock warehouses
but the war is going on for almost 2 years now and they certainly planned this for years prior
it'd be delusional to think Russia has not ramped up production by now
there are physical limitations though
they can't import a lot of needed specialized machinery and some resources are missing as well
for artillery shells there were some estimates on when they run out - but they effectively solved this by importing from North Korea
best guess you'll get is by looking on videos and what they bring
we already see reduced artillery on field
which is probably indicative of a low supply
what if i called you an indian THOUGH?
he doesnt care, the lower class you are, the less dignitity you have. They bathe in cow urine for crying out loud, you think those people care you calling them out?
you're indian
probably numbers in the negative
as of right now oryx has registered 2474 tank losses. back during the leaks the US numbers of lost russian tanks was 13.7% higher than oryx's count at the same day.
assuming that the US leaked data was more accurate and level of undercounting by oryx remains the same that means Russia has lost around 2796 tanks.
before the war Russia had approximately 2927 tanks (2030 T-72+480 T-80+417 T-90) in service but of course they also had like 12000 tanks in storage and by now russia has lost more T-80s than it originally had so their tanks in storage are definitely being used.
Russia is probably producing around 250-300 new tanks at year so thats 500-600 tanks they probably made by now and lets be generous and assume 10% of their mothballed storage can be returned to service so lets assume that from T-55s to reactivated T-90s they restored another 600-800 tanks these past 1.7 years and have at the very very best another 1000 waiting to be refurbished although of questionable quality).
that would mean the russians have at my very best for them around 1100-1500 something more active tanks left of which probably 1000 are deployed in Ukraine while the rest are in Russia (the leaks at the time talked of around 560 tanks being "in garrison" inside Russia so we can assume that 1/2 to 1/3 of the active fleet will not go to Ukraine).
the source for all of this is my ass so feel free to call me on my BS.
P.D: the shitbox-1 is eternal, russia and Ukraine will never run out of those.
The fact that they are restoring T62s and 55s should indicate they are running out of good tanks to restore, no? Or could it just be cheaper to restore the older ones, and they prefer numbers to quality? I would think it’s more expensive in the long run to have more types to maintain and restore though.
The actual answer is that they restore whatever is in best shape and can be restored the fastest and cheapest.
I am now very demotivated, russia will win, for sure. The more russian die the more glorious they become, they are making heroes.
Its such a shame my nafobuddies are abandoning us, as everyone focus on the israel war.
All the big military people, like scot ritter, saying ukraine is done for, its true!
Nobody giving equipment, germany saying they doubling their budget for shipping equipment is just a pr move
Help me obama!
Sorry, I'll keep my interest about this special military operation.
I know that you want it to memory hole it, to stop the flow of equipment, but I'm not giving you guys the pleasure.
>600+ days of war
>billions of rubbles spent in "internet-research" agencies
>100 millions of vatnaggers alive
>millions of bots
>hundreds of thousands of pajeets
>thousands of OSINT specialists
>best argument they have against Oryx so far is just "start seething and refuse to provide any proofs"
Your propaganda has the opposite effect.
>please look away and let us win
Lol no. TZD.
>us
>let
>win
I'll just leave this here, so people can figure out if this is real or not
I'm sure you wont mind, "polish" anon
Seriously you should never trust something what use "independent" or "truth" in their name
Because I'll call you an indian if you don't.
>your interests
>corruption
Making corruption the key metric is retarded because every country has it. I'm interested in my enemies dead and home burglars punished more than in missing 100 bucks of the 6-digits paycheck.
>that deleted posts
In Soviet Russia trolls come to the boards to get mad and banned by themselves.
>oryx
>unreliable
>nooo you can't trust the photographic proof
The worst you can say about oryx is that they underestimate the total. Calling it unreliable is just idiotic.
My enemies in russia, pretending and trying to convince me my enemies in washington.
Every single Russian could die of nuclear AIDS and it wouldn't affect you in the slightest. They aren't relevent.
>WTF is American Hegemony?
I expect my local buying power to double after the demise of the Russian Federation.
Your local buying power has done nothing but decrease.
God, imagine how much cheap petrol we can pull out of the ruins. It'll be glorious.
none, because you're a bunch of transgender climate hysterics
>Every single Russian could die of nuclear AIDS and it wouldn't affect you in the slightest.
My internet experience would improve exponentially
Russia is the rival of my country and russians are my enemies. 50% of our internal problems are the results of their actions. Besides that, ziggers are subhumans and trolling their defenders is fun.
Russia isn't the rival of any country, they're a third world shithole that produces nothing, and a military so dysfunctional they're not a threat to anything.
>we should make ourselves relatively weaker because we are already strong
Indian level of stupidity.
>strength is when you give all your money away to other countries and get nothing in return
>less than 10% of the military budget
>all you money
>enemy stopped and slaughtered without putting boots on ground
>nothing
Vatnaggers type like Karens.
>Russian military losing fuckloads of men and equipment every single day
>China's one real "ally" of note getting declawed
>MIC getting the best real world combat data since Desert Storm
>Ukraine is being forced to deal with internal corruption
>old stock being shipped to Ukraine to kill Russians instead of decommissioned and scrapped
>guaranteed new NATO member when it's over
>guaranteed new EU member when it's over
>almost certainly getting leased a port in the Black Sea return for all the goodies
>most of EU cranked military spending realizing the barbarians are effectively at the gates
>EU reliance on Russian oil down significantly
>US doesn't even have to fire a shot for any of this
>nothing in return
We evidently have different ideas of what "nothing in return" means. Also, tanks, IFVs, rifles, missiles, bullets, etc. are not money.
>win-win for the West
>they still want Ukraine to negotiate
?
I get fucking sick warfootage of dying Russians, though
We're killing Russians for pennies on the dollar and no Americans are coming home with PTSD, TBIs or Gulf War Syndrome. I'd say that's a pretty good deal.
>a hundred billion dollars for 100k dead ruskies
you're claiming the life of the average slav is worth literally a million dollars
I have to disagree, the cost of a single 5.56 round is worth more than a slav, and you are a retarded naggerhomosexual
Amogus
I wouldn't trust that specific source anon
That's because you're INDIAAAAAANNNNNNNN AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
enough to produce canned vatnik for a few more years.
CIA plz stop. I just want to talk about how cool/gay my revolver is. Just let me do that. Nobody gives a shit about Ukr anymore. Please just let me get called retarded for getting a new Python
Nobody is forcing you to post in this thread, zigger troon.
Bro it is fucking 3 pm on a monday why are you responding so quickly to my gay shit
Argh! I'm neutrooooling!
The sub was destroyed when the dry docks got attacked, right?
Oh no
piggie bros, its yvir
>310k casualties
Still just absolutely insane to me. To lose that many people, tank your economy, get hit with new sanctions, and expand NATOs borders in the region and all for what?
Which part of my assessment is factually incorrect?
>To lose that many people
>tank your economy
>get hit with new sanctions
>expand NATOs borders in the region
All of these things happened. This isn't a matter of opinion.
Update your fucking script. Russia issued 250k death certificates
>implying they didn't issue 50,000,000 death certificates
ok rajesh
>They didn't
Alas, they all did.
>and you will never be a real woman
Wasn't a concern of mine.
When you're done actively denying reality, let us know mmkay?
Uh oh, someone got mad and deleted his posts!
At this point I'm guessing they do it in an attempt to make it harder to ban them while also pretending jannies did it so they can cry about biased moderation.
You gotta get a new line, man. Unless they're an actual tranny, it's basically a non-insult. It's like calling a black guy a chink. It just doesn't make sense.