Does anyone else feel survival rifles are really comfy? They're the condensed essence of "good enough" in physical form, and made as compact and easy to carry as possible.
Example, for when you want to be able to take any game from rabbits to deer, pic related.
Friend’s dad had one of those and a Springfield Armory M6, sold that .22 Hornet AR-5 for like $10k since it was from a prominent Colt guy’s collection.
Or another, for when you want to hunt a variety of game up to deer, but also want to be able to hunt birds.
OP you're objectively correct, and combination guns are so sexy. Take an USAF M4 in .22 Hornet
d'oh
Most are. The AR-7 is horribly unergonomic and ugly because of that lopsided floating stock. I really want to dupe that cute little takedown single-shot the Anon here made a while back, though.
I've also been wanting one of those. Super cool. Also, what I think is a 60s Weaver B series scope on it makes it even better looking. Seems to be a B4 made before they went to teardrop adjustment caps instead of keeping them open. 60s? 50s?
>ugly
it looks like a modernized Artillery Luger it’s sexy af my man
>>ugly
>it looks like a modernized Artillery Luger it’s sexy af my man
Look at it from the front. It's not in any way like a luger, it's like a Mauser got a horrible case of cellulitis in its left ass cheek and leg.
I don’t think you’ve ever seen an Artillery Luger before or maybe you just might be legally blind.
The NFA is obnoxious, and really stymies innovation in the “stocked pistol” class of firearms.
I have always thought a revolver with a compact folding wire stock would make a fantastic pack “rifle.” It’s compact, powerful, and light weight. And you can cycle light .38 special/shot shells for small game.
You’re absolutely right, and I would carry that Luger on hikes since it’s so light and handy, but I don’t due to how nice it is.
Your idea might even be potentially better due to the ammo variety you can get in revolvers. (Snakeshot, hardcast, etc)
>The NFA is obnoxious, and really stymies innovation in the “stocked pistol” class of firearms.
The worst part is that 10mm through an 8" artillery Luger length barrel can throw a comparable weight bullet at a comparable velocity to .44-40 from a rifle length barrel, which was the upper end of what revolver caliber lever actions during the old west would be chambered in. Alternatively 10mm from a 5" barrel can throw the same weight and caliber bullet at a similar velocity to .38-40 from a rifle which would be a step down from .44-40.
Or if you want something bigger, .44 magnum from a 7" barrel (including the cylinder in that length) can match the muzzle energy of black powder .45-70 carbine loads from a 22" barrel.
Handguns with stocks, and comparable size/weight carbines, could totally have been comfy guns that would be good enough for most civilian uses.
Tell me about it. I wish I could get an SBR 10/22 with some kind of overkill suppressor. Easier to transport, lighter weight, doesn't get caught in bushes as easily. Would be a great squirrel rifle. Can't even get a 10/22 charger with a brace and call it a day; no semi auto pistols for hunting here.
Trudeau keeps abusing yall because you let him. Your government will never stop one day and be like "hey lets not be pure evil and trample our citizens today".
The people are the protectors of freedom...if they have the balls
Funny you mention him since I never said I was from up North. In fact, we were talking about the NFA and I don't want to double stamp a 10/22 for an integrally suppressed SBR and turn a $350 rifle into a $1k+ rifle that every game warden looks at me funny for.
Why not carry an ordinary revolver?
I want to pick one up at some point just because it seems like having a lightweight rifle that breaks down into something that small/portable could come in handy someday. It seems like the perfect thing to have stashed in the trunk of your car in case you ever get stranded somewhere and don't want to have to deal with attempting to shoot small game with your CCW.
Also, .22LR is still fairly cheap, so practicing with it wouldn't break the bank.
>it seems like having a lightweight rifle that breaks down into something that small/portable could come in handy someday.
There is some logic to that, buy why buy the POS AR-7 over something like a 10/22 Takedown?
He’s never handled an AR-7, guarantee it. I’d say the sights are even worse than the stock since you can knock off the plastic front sight with little force.
I'm curious what has been driving the recent interest in the AR-7. It seemed like until the last couple of years I hardly ever saw them mentioned, now they seem to be brought up often. What happened? Did some major youtuber review them, were they featured in a video game?
I think prepping has become a lot bigger with all of the habbenings that have been going on recently, so it's driving demand for "survival rifles" in general. The ar-7 is a funky little gun with a sort of unique stowage method while also being a functional (if kinda suckish) survival rifle, so a lot of people probably added one to their collection on a whim.
In terms of self contained takedown rifles though, I'm personally more of a Day of the Jackal Rifle fan.
You may call me Captain Cripple, protector of the physically disabled, sworn enemy of Richmond Virginia's Veterans Affairs Office.
Eh, I dunno. There's obviously been an increase in "prepping" and all that but that isn't the kind of gun a typical prepper would lean towards. The use case for an AR-7 is really specialized.
I got one, it's fun but I wouldn't bet my life on it. I disassembled it to clean and oil it after the last thread about them, found a big burr on the hammer. I think that was the source of my reliability issues. After the barrel warms up accuracy is shit. I've killed about 30 bunnies with it, but jammed frequently.
They should have made the ar7 a bolt action like the ar5. Semi auto isn’t that useful in a pack rifle, and the ar7 has a tendency to damage .22lr ammo when it inevitably has a failure.
Not really, most of them aren't even close to "good enough", they're downright terrible. And many of them aren't very compact either. The AR-7 is a great example. Not every accurate, shitty quality plastic-coated barrel on the current models, not very reliable, fricking gigantic bloated stock. Now the stock might make sense if you need the gun to float (which is really the whole fricking gimmick of the AR-7) but I hear that the current models can't even float. And they aren't even all that cheap.
Some are more interesting, like the M6. I do think those are pretty cool, and that is actually quite compact. Still I don't think I'd ever choose to carry that over something nicer.
What's the lightest survival rifle you can get? I want one for when I'm doing multi day off trail hikes. Got a nice little shotgun for bears and other wild animals, but you can't realistically carry a lot of ammo for it. What would you guys recommend?
10/22. But like you, i live in bear country. So carry a Glock 20 and a 10/22 or just a Maverick 88 Security with a mix of high brass #5s for small game, and 00 buck for bears.
I have a Little Badger and it's very lightweight, it even comes with a backpack to carry it
What are they smoking on the prices for their other guns.
All I've ever wanted is a take down, bolt action, mag fed thing like this. But in .17hmr please god.
Volquartsen VT2 is available in .17 HMR.
Never hard of it before. You sure it's a take down? Does it have irons?
>You sure it's a take down?
Yes.
>Does it have irons?
I can't recall. Probably not. Not that it matters though, if you want irons add irons. If you don't feel comfortable doing that yourself then have a gunsmith do it for you.
So I've seen a bunch of combo survival guns, usually in .410 and .22. Is there one on the market that combines 12 gauge with .22 underbarrel?
Just thinking, you really want the 12 gauge for bear defense, but you want the .22 for small game. Any thoughts?
Combination guns with 12ga are a thing, but they nearly always have a larger caliber rifle barrel than .22. I know Savage made a combo gun with a 20ga over a .22LR, I don't think they made a 12ga/22LR, but they did make a 12ga/.22 Hornet.
Browse this:
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/drilling-combination-guns.c290_p1_o6.cfm
>bear defense
there are really very few places where bear defense is an honest concern, and then people just pack a 12ga, which also happens to be excellent for small game with birdshot.
>there are really very few places where bear defense is an honest concern
I'd go so far as to say it's a complete meme reason to own a specific gun in the US unless you live in Alaska.
Actually I think the Chiappa M6 might be just what I'm looking for. Break action dual barrel with 12 gauge over .22 mag.
In my opinion if you want to go for the added expense and weight over a combo gun over the shotgun then the extra barrel needs to do something the shotgun doesn't do on its own already. And honestly a 12ga is pretty darn flexible. Going with .22LR or .22 Mag doesn't add any capability really, any kind of game you could take with those you could take with the appropriate shotshell. They do have the advantage that their ammunition is smaller and lighter than shotshells though, so more could be carried. The other option would be to pick something that had a larger rifle cartridge, .22 Hornet, .223, .308... Now you're adding long-range effectiveness that you didn't have with the shotgun.
>They do have the advantage that their ammunition is smaller and lighter than shotshells though, so more could be carried.
In particular, 14-15 rounds of .22lr for the weight of a single 2 3/4" 12 gauge shell (100 rounds of .22lr for 7 rounds of 12 gauge), and about 8 rounds of .22lr vs the weigh of a single .410 shell (100 rounds of .22lr for 12 rounds of .410).
The weight savings is legit, there's no doubt about that. But then there's the question of whether or not that actually matters. If an anon is getting on a bushplane for a fishing trip in bumfrick, Alaska the weight savings could be critical. For playing around on the average camping trip or innawoods hike? Probably irrelevant.
>For playing around on the average camping trip or innawoods hike? Probably irrelevant.
It can still add up some if you're looking to do much shooting as 25 rounds of 12 gauge will weigh about 2 1/2 lbs, while 100 rounds of .22lr will weigh 3/4 of a pound. Space can also be a concern, and you can fit 14 rounds of .22lr inside a spent 12 gauge shell with additional space left over. Alternatively for comparing loose packed ammo, 3x 325 round bricks of .22lr take up about the same space as 2x 25 round boxes of 12 gauge, for about 20x more rounds in the same space which can make a big difference when it comes to room in a pack or just storing the ammo on/in the stock of your gun..
You ever shot a rabbit at 100 yards with a 12 gauge?? Cause i have with a 22lr
Fricking zoomer idiot
Call me autistic but I love this aesthetic.
I took off the red dot. More sleek this way.
That gun deserves a lighter suppressor, anon.
Would be neat if it had some kind of shrouded red dot. Like a G36 sight or something. But something low.
>Does anyone else feel survival rifles are really comfy?
They're sure as hell not comfy to shoot lol.
which one is that?
my wife bought me an AR-7 for my bday a few years ago. I shot it one time, cleaned the frick out of it, put it under the bed and haven't shot it since. It's a great little gun but it defeated its purposed by my wife buying it. I can't treat something she bought me like shit... and the AR-7 was meant to be treated like shit in the back of a truck
Want me one of these little rinky dink frickers
Little Badger is the dumbest gun imaginable and I adore it. I would love to get one chambered in .22 wmr.
go get one lol. They’re practically pocket change new
>survival rifles
>30 posts in
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If it's annoyingly heavy to lug around when hunting for a day why the frick would it be any good for when you may need to lug around with it for weeks at a time?
What's the advantage of these survival rifles above a .22lr pistol like Ruger's Mark IV pistols?
>what's the advantage of a rifle over a pistol
>much more muzzle velocity
>stock to rest against your shoulder
>forward point of contact
>much longer sight radius
>less noise
>less recoil (not that there's a lot in a .22 anyway)
been wondering this too actually
thinking about how a collapsible brace CP33 would serve in a survival context
with a brace and a mag holder that gets you three points of contact
the lack of sight radius can also be mended by having like a micro solar red dot
noise can be suppressed although you know, that's a lot of money
so that leaves muzzle velocity, question is how much does that affect the effective range of 22lr
because if it isn't much of a disadvantage than it's faster, lighter, and more compact
You are my spirit animal OP. I’ve always wanted an AR-5 or M4 chambered in .357 magnum.
Surprised that the AR-5 isn’t discussed that much, considering it is how Armalite got the camel’s nose under the tent, so they could later land the AR-15 contracts.
Oh. Forgot I had a suppressed sbr one of those. Feels decent, I guess. Has a pvs14 mount on it too, but who's counting.
what's a good optic for one of these? preferably something that can be banged around in a bag.
Aimpoint
T2 if you have cash, pro if you’re on a budget.
I rather carry my Ruger PC Charger than the carbine. The Carbine is fine, but there is not really much difference in FPS between the 6" vs 16".
The magpul stock takes a pound off of the pc carbine, and is a similar size to the charger when collapsed. The whole thing feels like an fn p90 when broken down lol
One slight advantage I rarely see brought up, is that all things being equal (no suppressor) the 16” barrel is much quieter than the 6”. 147gr 9mm out of a 16” barrel is one of the quietest unsuppressed firearms.
>similar size to the charger when collapsed.
That's another thing. The charger is still smaller, even when not collapsed and can still fire with out it needing to be reassembled. You can throw a really long can on it as well, still have an over shorter length.
Lever actions are the white man's survival rifle!!! If you are a little fruitier or want faster bullets ig you could run around with a Bavarian carbine. There are no other correct answers.
Any thots on. The aero 10mm survival rifle?
I have the Henry ar-7. It's nice that I can just throw it in the trunk of the Kia and it's ready to go in a minute if I see Gary's fricking dog running around the canal unattended again
Who the frick is Gary?