Do you really believe he was found with eleven full magazines and didn't even fire a single round?

Do you really believe he was found with eleven full magazines and didn't even fire a single round?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That detail always bothered me. To start off the book was obviously bullshit, to say nothing of the movie. That said I still never got how anyone was supposed to tell at a glance the status of magazines that were presumably in mag pouches on his kit. How would you know just looking at a magazine on someone's PC if it had 1 round in it, 6, 17 or 28?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I mean wasn't he in the care of the locals for several days in their village? They probably had ample time to sort through all his gear and do a full inventory

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I mean wasn't he in the care of the locals for several days in their village?
        That was my understanding. I listened to a podcast a few years back from one of the rangers that went looking for him, and I think that lines up with what I remember. Still I would think friendly or not, I wouldn't be letting locals frick with my kit close enough to have some idea of a round count, never mind individual magazine status.

        Yeah, he lied about everything in the book. Everyone else involved testified against him and most damning, we have the actual footage from the firefight, where his team members are yelling that he ran away and abandoned them.

        >I still never got how anyone was supposed to tell at a glance the status of magazines that were presumably in mag pouches on his kit
        Pretty sure after they got him on the evac they took all his shit off him to try to assess injuries and one of the air force guys was looking through his shit.

        >Pretty sure after they got him on the evac they took all his shit off him to try to assess injuries and one of the air force guys was looking through his shit.
        My understanding is that the story about his mags supposedly originated with one of the Afghans who took him in while he was still doing E&E shit, but who the hell knows? The medics going through his kit would make a little more sense to me.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I wouldn't be letting locals frick with my kit close enough to have some idea of a round count, never mind individual magazine status.
          No, but the fact that he had all 11 magazines after what was supposed to be a disastrous firefight suggests that he didn't use any of them. I doubt very much that anyone would be practicing magazine retention under such circumstances.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Magazine retention is basic shit. You do this without really thinking about it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even support guys are trained not to drop their magazines. Drill Sergeant once said the only time you wouldn’t bother with reholstering your magazine is if the dude is right in front of you

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >outnumbered and have two PKMs trained on you
              >Let me just get that magazine back in the pouch
              Kek

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wow they are really teaching some bad habits eh

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, he lied about everything in the book. Everyone else involved testified against him and most damning, we have the actual footage from the firefight, where his team members are yelling that he ran away and abandoned them.

      >I still never got how anyone was supposed to tell at a glance the status of magazines that were presumably in mag pouches on his kit
      Pretty sure after they got him on the evac they took all his shit off him to try to assess injuries and one of the air force guys was looking through his shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you really believe he was found with eleven full magazines and didn't even fire a single round?
        That schizo claim has never been supported by any evidence. The fact that the accounts of that whole fricked up operation vary significantly in detail just invites morons to make up shit like that.

        >Yeah, he lied about everything in the book. Everyone else involved testified against him and most damning, we have the actual footage from the firefight, where his team members are yelling that he ran away and abandoned them.
        Are you that moron who made this shit up? I've seen the footage and you don't see the actual firefight. You hear it occurring with exchanges of bursts of automatic fire and yelling, most of which is hard to discern. You just want to assume he broke and ran like some Italian conscript in North Africa. Probably because you are too stupid to envision a situation that a team member gets separated from the others in a firefight. Or maybe just because you're a 3rd worlder. Maybe you think he should have just kept shooting once it was clear the rest of the team was either badly wounded or dead? That is of course assuming he was in a state to do so and not incapacitated himself.
        Sure, fighting until the end would have been heroic but he'd certainly die. You might say you'd have done that if you were him, but the only way to prove it would be to get into a similar fricked up situation and then get killed with the rest of your team. Go ahead and give it a try and see how you manage.
        The truth is nobody will know exactly what happened there. Even his recollection is likely to be flawed and have mistaken details because that happens all the time in every fricking war in human history. Even when something is pretty clear-cut you often get at least one guy with some weird-ass account of things that can't really be reconciled what what others are saying.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you deaf? You can clearly hear them. Did you only watch an abbreviated clip?
          >Probably because you are too stupid to envision a situation that a team member gets separated from the others in a firefight.
          There's actually no situation where this should happen. Granted I wasn't in the exact same circumstances, but when I was over there and we got into it with hajis, there was always accountability of everyone. You know where the guys on your left and right are. You tell people when you're moving, and where you're moving to. There is no excuse for them getting separated.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know what the frick you think you heard but I definitely didn't hear "Marcus you are running away from the battlefield without firing a shot please return we need help."

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              "marcus come back"
              and "don't leave us"

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I watched it and I didn’t hear that

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post the full video then because the only one I’ve ever seen Is of Taliban moving into position and then footage from some dude way in the back simply recording the sounds of gunfire and then some super faint yelling in English (that the poster conveniently ocaptioned with what they think they heard) the only thing that makes it clear it was against Americans is that they show American gear captured after ward

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you deaf? You can clearly hear them. Did you only watch an abbreviated clip?
          >Probably because you are too stupid to envision a situation that a team member gets separated from the others in a firefight.
          There's actually no situation where this should happen. Granted I wasn't in the exact same circumstances, but when I was over there and we got into it with hajis, there was always accountability of everyone. You know where the guys on your left and right are. You tell people when you're moving, and where you're moving to. There is no excuse for them getting separated.

          Tried watching the footage, found it boring. The footage from ISIS and Christchurch is way cooler.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Black person you can hear Axel and others screaming for him for help, if he was found with mags still on him he obviously wasn't doing his job was he?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >we have the actual footage from the firefight, where his team members are yelling that he ran away and abandoned them.
        >are yelling that he ran away and abandoned them.
        What compels subhuman freaks like yourself to outright lie about something when trying to uncover the truth? We can all go watch all those videos the taliban uploaded, what's the purpose of lying about something so basic and easily proven wrong?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You can literally hear somebody, again from what we know likely Mike Murphy, yelling "Marcus come back!" on the tape.

          It's worth watching if you have like 20 minutes, anon. If nothing else because it really demystifies a lot of what combat actually looks like when it's just a group of local boys grabbing their guns.

          The version on YouTube has the graphic sections scrubbed, but the unedited video is pretty easy to find.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Also you can hear 2 weapons being fired back at the ambushers (who to be clear, were not "Taliban," Shah wasn't a Taliban fighter lol), one suppressed and the other unsuppressed. It's the only return fire you hear during the ambush, and most analysis I've read concludes that the suppressed weapon was Murphy firing and the unsuppresed weapon was Dietz, based on what we know they were carrying and the timeline.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >that end of the video where they're showing off Dietz' M4 and the camerman is reading his name off his ID card
              Gives me chills every time.
              >dahhniel......deeeetz

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't believe this part until I went back last night and watched the video. Yes, you can hear someone yelling for "Marcus," but I'm still not completely convinced, since I never heard dudes call each other by their first names. Maybe the SEALs are like officers, who are all on a first-name basis. The rest of it, I'll have to dig through the audio, since you absolutely can hear "Marcus!" in it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because they're subhuman morons that is why. I can fully understand thinking some negative things about post-2000 SEALs since they don't seem to have any sort of the discretion about their service that their predecessors did. The SEALs in general are overhyped as a special forces unit when others like Delta are just as capable in many regards and better in others, especially keeping quiet. The only area where the SEALs really exceed all of the others is the sort of work they do in or adjacent to the water. The very sort of stuff that represented their origin as a unit.
          These people desperately want to portray Luttrell as some sort if immoral coward when he is ultimately just a man and flawed like any other. The only support for their claim is what a bitter Gulab has said to the press years later. It should be obvious Luttrell was fricked in the head up by the whole incident and he coped with what occurred in the worst possible way. I wouldn't be surprised if he privately blames himself for not being able to save the others or just not dying with them. If he does the deaths of the men who died when the MH-47 was shot down are probably on his conscious too.
          It doesn't take a psychologist to see how one reaction to all of this would be to exaggerate what happened. To try to portray it all as a very important mission and heroic last stand. When in reality it was a poorly planned mission that didn't matter much in the greater scheme of things. When the man they were after was eventually killed, there was inevitably someone who stepped into his place. The actual firefight wouldn't have been some heroic display John Rambo would perform either, but the sort of bitter affair that realistically happens when you are outnumbered, outgunned, and on bad terrain. The deaths of the 48 SEALs who were KIA in Vietnam probably weren't the sort of glorious things you see in movies either.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Could you imagine the guilt you’d have to live with if you turned tail and ALL your friends got killed and only you knew the truth of your cowardice and your buddies last words were calling for your help? Frick dude nightmare fuel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn't he taken in and given muh nanawatai by a local village headman? They would have been able look through his effects and rural afghans might be uneducated yokels but it is a nation where half the population are feudal gunmen and own at least 1 AK they would be able to tell if a magazine is full.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wtf am I reading in that pic. Is that ai?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          its from a 2002 memoir of a nerdy British guy (whose father just happened to be the deputy head of MI6 don't worry about it) who walked on foot from Herat to Kabul accompanied part way by 3 goofball Afghan secret policeman and later a Ghorid Mastiff.

          It's fill with loads of strange interactions with locals.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sauce on book? Sounds comfy

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What a bizarre power trip fantasy, holy shit

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          wrong thread?
          If not pls explain your reasoning.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, he lied about everything in the book. Everyone else involved testified against him and most damning, we have the actual footage from the firefight, where his team members are yelling that he ran away and abandoned them.

      >I still never got how anyone was supposed to tell at a glance the status of magazines that were presumably in mag pouches on his kit
      Pretty sure after they got him on the evac they took all his shit off him to try to assess injuries and one of the air force guys was looking through his shit.

      >I mean wasn't he in the care of the locals for several days in their village?
      That was my understanding. I listened to a podcast a few years back from one of the rangers that went looking for him, and I think that lines up with what I remember. Still I would think friendly or not, I wouldn't be letting locals frick with my kit close enough to have some idea of a round count, never mind individual magazine status.
      [...]
      >Pretty sure after they got him on the evac they took all his shit off him to try to assess injuries and one of the air force guys was looking through his shit.
      My understanding is that the story about his mags supposedly originated with one of the Afghans who took him in while he was still doing E&E shit, but who the hell knows? The medics going through his kit would make a little more sense to me.

      I don't give a frick about this dude, and his book is blatantly full of shit.

      That said, if a secondary rumor comes about, to the point we have to say shit like "I think the rumor comes from (lists off random personnel, actual third worlders, some dude's mom, some dude's brother's friend's cousin), then it's clearly not worth regurgitating.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >That said, if a secondary rumor comes about, to the point we have to say shit like "I think the rumor comes from
        You're just talking to ignorant morons, the provenance of the "11 mags" thing is not in question in the slightest.

        Gulab has said multiple times to both American intelligence sources and western media that when he rescued Luttrell that Marcus had 11 magazines on him, which is coincidentally the exact number Marcus specifies he took with him.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Lutrell retained 11/11 empty mags in a fire fight where his entire navy seal™ team was brutally killed in a shoot out

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It was the local who rescued him and harbored him for 10 days who said that.
      It wasn't "at a glance." He had Marcus and Marcus's gear in his custody for plenty of time.

      Also in the Taliban footage of the attack, you can hear someone, presumably Murphy, yelling "Marcus, come back!"

      >I mean wasn't he in the care of the locals for several days in their village?
      That was my understanding. I listened to a podcast a few years back from one of the rangers that went looking for him, and I think that lines up with what I remember. Still I would think friendly or not, I wouldn't be letting locals frick with my kit close enough to have some idea of a round count, never mind individual magazine status.
      [...]
      >Pretty sure after they got him on the evac they took all his shit off him to try to assess injuries and one of the air force guys was looking through his shit.
      My understanding is that the story about his mags supposedly originated with one of the Afghans who took him in while he was still doing E&E shit, but who the hell knows? The medics going through his kit would make a little more sense to me.

      Still I would think friendly or not, I wouldn't be letting locals frick with my kit close enough to have some idea of a round count, never mind individual magazine status.
      sure after they got him on the evac they took all his shit off him to try to assess injuries and one of the air force guys was looking through his shit.
      "Friendly" is for sure an exaggeration. It's more accurate to say they were mutually hostile with Ahmad Shah's militia. He was unconscious and injured when they grabbed him, it's pretty frickin unlikely he had a choice in the matter.
      >The medics going through his kit would make a little more sense to me.
      It was Muhammad Gulab who said that he found Marcus with 11 full magazines on him.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I heard a guy who claimed to have heard from a guy who was there when the Pararescue guys picked up Luttrel that an inspection of his equipment found he had one full mag and a few mostly empty but with some rounds left. I can't provide proof of this just as the people spouting this crap about him being found with a full load of ammo can't provide any proof either. It's all just worthless rumors from guys who say they know a guy who knows a guy who was there.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Well considering Luttrell was picked up by a joint force of Rangers and ANA and not Pararescue, I'm forced to conclude that either you or your buddy is full of shit lmao.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            NTA, but it wouldn't be unusual for PJs to be on site with the Rangers. I do doubt that this is the case, however, as you would have heard of it from outside of PrepHole.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Sure but his phrasing as I read it doesn't really account for that, nor does it really make a lot of sense for one of his buddies to have any info from "being there" as to the status of Luttrell's magazines, since that sort of evaluation almost certainly didn't happen in the woods behind a backwater Pashto village being actively scoured by hostile militia

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            For frick's sake his pickup is mentioned on numerous DoD documents relating to the history of the 920th Rescue Wing, the 943rd Rescue Group, and the 305th Rescue Squadron.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              There was a total of 2 PJs involved with the operation: Josh Appel and Chris Piercecchi. Which one was your buddy? Oh wait no your buddy heard from a guy who heard from a guy who was there, right? Was the guy who heard from the guy a Ranger? Was the guy he heard from a Ranger or one of those two specific PJs?

              Anyway, should be easy to show me where they've ever said a single frickin word about the status of Marcus Luttrell's magazines. Or anyone who was there besides Muhammad Gulab and Marcus Luttrell who's ever said a public word about how many shots Marcus fired, for that matter.

              And Gulab's testimony matches with what we know much more closely than Marcus's.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the military accounts for their property after ops. common knowledge and sense

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    qrd?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      oh wait is this the incredibly embarassing operation where drama queen seals refused to hike to their objective and just had to get airdropped 300y away from the towelheads therefore getting immediately discovered and therefore immediately getting gunned down?

      Yeah Operation Red Wing/Lone Survivor movie/book

      The details are all over the place, Marcus himself has given interviews that majorly contradict details in the book/movie.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The DOD approved these books. Alot of these stories are fake and the authors are made famous for various purposes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >for various purposes
          To drum up recruiting and or cover up frick ups. That sums up ninety percent of it or greater.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This isn't some recent development. I don't know why this frick-up is still some big fricking deal to the morons and 3rd worlders on this board obsessing over it and repeating moronic rumors almost 20 years later. OP says he didn't fire a single shot? Whatever you say, you seem trustworthy. Maybe this guy was such a total frick-up he alerted everyone on the mountain to their exact location?
            A mostly bullshit account of events doesn't excuse making up even more bullshit. The guy has clearly been fricked up in the head and will probably off himself someday. I'm sure some of the mongoloids here would love to push him to do it faster but shut the frick up about it already. We all know you homosexuals are obsessed with SEALs. You state how you hate them so much every fricking time the unit comes up or just if the very topic of special forces in Afghanistan comes up. Or special operations in any of the wasted-effort Middle East conflicts the US fought in. At least one of you gays keeps creating threads about this one fricking homosexual on a regular basis. I don't think it's even the Russia shills at this point just because how some gays start foaming at the mouth when they see 'SEAL'. Letting anything related to general Navy incompetence live rent-free in your heads like this is just pathetic.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Neverseved SEAL dickrider still going.
              Kek.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hey moron, did you see me complement the guy in my post? What third world shithole are you from? Im sure you did mighty fine service getting passed around to be fricked in the ass in your barracks.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I don't know why this frick-up is still some big fricking deal to the morons and 3rd worlders on this board obsessing over it and repeating moronic rumors almost 20 years later.
              Because it's one of the most embarrassing incidents in an embarrassing failure of a war, anon, and emblematic fundamentally of the way our government squanders its men and resources for fricking nothing. Because 19 Americans died due to incompetence and the circulation of a clearly false recollection of events at the approval of the DoD is pretty solid proof of a coverup. Are you moronic or what?

              Luttrell is the face of the operation but as the podcast above correctly points out, his options were to embarrass the Navy, diminish the SEAL "brand," and be known as a coward forever, or be known publicly as a hero and become a millionaire.

              What he got in the end is that the public widely considers him a hero, he IS a millionaire, and anyone who is inclined to do the research knows the truth.
              You seem to have voluntarily inserted yourself into the second group then become very angry about it.

              There's a reason that veterans who have researched this are the men who are angriest about it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit you are fricking stupid. At least if you were a 3rd worlder shilling for Ivan you would have a excuse but that you're this dumb as a supposed American is really just fricking sad. If you think this qualifies one of the great hugely embarrassing incidents in the history of warfare you should pick up a history book some day.
                Newsflash, the DoD trying to save face after such a frick-up doesn't qualify as some big government cover-up.

                You think he fled in terror at the first shots or whatever the frick you're saying this week and you think /k/ needs to hear about it? Good for you. You are still a stupid homosexual just spouting rumors. Nobody will ever know exactly how those final minutes played out and what he was doing during them. Maybe Lutrell himself knows but he's such a fricking train-wreck he may not.

                Someone wrote a book with a very incorrect account of events, truly unprecedented. That you're here enraged about how how he made money off it is your fricking problem and no one else's. No actual veterans are compulsively obsessing over this almost-20 fricking years later and constantly making threads about the same fricking event but with some new rumor this time.
                >we know the truth!!1
                If the truth is supposed to be whatever your moronic take of events is I'm not interested in conspiratard bullshit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Been sperging out in this thread for what looks like multiple days writing multi-paragraph enraged screeds
                >calling anyone else "obsessed"
                Plenty of veterans, including members of the special forces community, gave weighed in on this.

                In fact

                former Seal and a former Delta operator talk about how the story is garbage

                is maybe the most damning version of these events I've ever heard, worse than even Gulab's retelling.
                I actually find your clear emotional investment in not talking about Red Wings even more puzzling than any individual opinion on what happened there that I've ever encountered, anon.

                You are aware that you can simply close the thread if you don't want to talk about it, right?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nou
                Every couple of weeks these threads come up and you say I'm the obsessed one? How many different posters do you think I am you dumb homosexual? "Multi-paragraph enraged screeds"? Was my last post too many words at a point for an imbecile like you?

                I know a lot of veterans have said he lied about a lot of shit when he wrote that book. Everyone who ever read up on that operation knows about that. But I don't see these veterans you speak of making these threads at least once a month.

                Emotional investment? The only emotional investment I have here is disgust at what a homosexual you are for doing this. Luttrall may be a piece of shit for the account in his book but at least he isn't guilty of whatever this autism is where you keep making these threads you dumb mongoloid.

                Its not worth the effort trying to actually reason to someone who thinks the account of Gulab with an axe to grind is the gospel truth. But at this point I'm deriving some sort of enjoyment from calling you a lying homosexual. Shame you couldn't find anywhere to cash that ability in like Lutrell did.

                https://i.imgur.com/3LkeEhP.jpg

                >Holy shit you are fricking stupid. At least if you were a 3rd worlder shilling for Ivan you would have a excuse but that you're this dumb as a supposed American is really just fricking sad. If you think this qualifies one of the great hugely embarrassing incidents in the history of warfare you should pick up a history book some day.
                >Newsflash, the DoD trying to save face after such a frick-up doesn't qualify as some big government cover-up.
                >You think he fled in terror at the first shots or whatever the frick you're saying this week and you think /k/ needs to hear about it? Good for you. You are still a stupid homosexual just spouting rumors. Nobody will ever know exactly how those final minutes played out and what he was doing during them. Maybe Lutrell himself knows but he's such a fricking train-wreck he may not.
                >Someone wrote a book with a very incorrect account of events, truly unprecedented. That you're here enraged about how how he made money off it is your fricking problem and no one else's. No actual veterans are compulsively obsessing over this almost-20 fricking years later and constantly making threads about the same fricking event but with some new rumor this time.
                >>we know the truth!!1
                >If the truth is supposed to be whatever your moronic take of events is I'm not interested in conspiratard bullshit.

                Did you find that one in your CP stash? I guess you have one other hobby than foaming at the mouth about SEALs.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >every couple weeks
                I feel like it's more rare for there not to be a thread up b***hing about Redwings than for them to be that uncommon. SEALs fricked up, one butthole was lucky enough to walk away and bullshit his way into protecting the reputation of the unit and bumbled his way into the life of a millionaire while doing it. Seems like that's all that needs to be said, and yet here we are.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am sure it has to be this one SEALtard at this point. Maybe he's obsessed with SEALs or just this one frickup in particular, but yeah SEALtard OP is a troony homosexual as pointed out.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >was lucky enough to walk away
                RUN away
                That fricker didn’t even shoot, he RAN away

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one said he didn't shoot, they argue he didn't run out of ammunition, also, there's disputes over how many Taliban were killed by the SEALs, an Afghan says no Taliban died. SEALs claim at least some were killed..

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>nou
                >Every couple of weeks these threads come up and you say I'm the obsessed one? How many different posters do you think I am you dumb homosexual? "Multi-paragraph enraged screeds"? Was my last post too many words at a point for an imbecile like you?
                >I know a lot of veterans have said he lied about a lot of shit when he wrote that book. Everyone who ever read up on that operation knows about that. But I don't see these veterans you speak of making these threads at least once a month.
                >Emotional investment? The only emotional investment I have here is disgust at what a homosexual you are for doing this. Luttrall may be a piece of shit for the account in his book but at least he isn't guilty of whatever this autism is where you keep making these threads you dumb mongoloid.
                >Its not worth the effort trying to actually reason to someone who thinks the account of Gulab with an axe to grind is the gospel truth. But at this point I'm deriving some sort of enjoyment from calling you a lying homosexual. Shame you couldn't find anywhere to cash that ability in like Lutrell did.
                >Did you find that one in your CP stash? I guess you have one other hobby than foaming at the mouth about SEALs.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just stay away from schools you homosexual troony.

                Lol I'm starting to think the guy who's just quoting you with the crying people has the right idea. You're not even arguing anything here you're just sperging out. Again for literal days. And now have apparently decided that it's one person arguing with you rather than the almost-universally held opinion on this board that Marcus Luttrell, Chris Kyle, Rob O'Neil, and the entire lot of bookwriting gloryhounds are an embarrassment to their profession.

                You are still doing this SEALtard? I know it's you because you're the one mongoloid who has been trying to argue this latest moronic rumor you like. How many of these threads do you make a year? Two dozen maybe?

                >literal days
                I think I made my first post in your personal moron-zone yesterday? But yes I'm that anon you think I am, and I've been every poster in this thread besides you and your troony friend. You're at least as delusional as Lutrall is by this point.

                Now watch as the mongoloid SEALtard complains how long this post was.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Just stay away from schools you homosexual troony.
                >You are still doing this SEALtard? I know it's you because you're the one mongoloid who has been trying to argue this latest moronic rumor you like. How many of these threads do you make a year? Two dozen maybe?
                days
                >I think I made my first post in your personal moron-zone yesterday? But yes I'm that anon you think I am, and I've been every poster in this thread besides you and your troony friend. You're at least as delusional as Lutrall is by this point.
                >Now watch as the mongoloid SEALtard complains how long this post was.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah man I forgot the picture lol

                Just stay away from schools you homosexual troony.

                [...]
                You are still doing this SEALtard? I know it's you because you're the one mongoloid who has been trying to argue this latest moronic rumor you like. How many of these threads do you make a year? Two dozen maybe?

                >literal days
                I think I made my first post in your personal moron-zone yesterday? But yes I'm that anon you think I am, and I've been every poster in this thread besides you and your troony friend. You're at least as delusional as Lutrall is by this point.

                Now watch as the mongoloid SEALtard complains how long this post was.

                >Just stay away from schools you homosexual troony.
                >You are still doing this SEALtard? I know it's you because you're the one mongoloid who has been trying to argue this latest moronic rumor you like. How many of these threads do you make a year? Two dozen maybe?
                days
                >I think I made my first post in your personal moron-zone yesterday? But yes I'm that anon you think I am, and I've been every poster in this thread besides you and your troony friend. You're at least as delusional as Lutrall is by this point.
                >Now watch as the mongoloid SEALtard complains how long this post was.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Impressive. You forgot your photo of a child for this one you stupid motherfricker.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Impressive. You forgot your photo of a child for this one you stupid motherfricker.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol I'm starting to think the guy who's just quoting you with the crying people has the right idea. You're not even arguing anything here you're just sperging out. Again for literal days. And now have apparently decided that it's one person arguing with you rather than the almost-universally held opinion on this board that Marcus Luttrell, Chris Kyle, Rob O'Neil, and the entire lot of bookwriting gloryhounds are an embarrassment to their profession.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Holy shit you are fricking stupid. At least if you were a 3rd worlder shilling for Ivan you would have a excuse but that you're this dumb as a supposed American is really just fricking sad. If you think this qualifies one of the great hugely embarrassing incidents in the history of warfare you should pick up a history book some day.
                >Newsflash, the DoD trying to save face after such a frick-up doesn't qualify as some big government cover-up.
                >You think he fled in terror at the first shots or whatever the frick you're saying this week and you think /k/ needs to hear about it? Good for you. You are still a stupid homosexual just spouting rumors. Nobody will ever know exactly how those final minutes played out and what he was doing during them. Maybe Lutrell himself knows but he's such a fricking train-wreck he may not.
                >Someone wrote a book with a very incorrect account of events, truly unprecedented. That you're here enraged about how how he made money off it is your fricking problem and no one else's. No actual veterans are compulsively obsessing over this almost-20 fricking years later and constantly making threads about the same fricking event but with some new rumor this time.
                >>we know the truth!!1
                >If the truth is supposed to be whatever your moronic take of events is I'm not interested in conspiratard bullshit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fratbro joined the Navy and turned out to be a big pussy liar homosexual who got his team killed and then smeared their memories to make himself look better

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were Seals they had it coming anyways, homosexual.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    oh wait is this the incredibly embarassing operation where drama queen seals refused to hike to their objective and just had to get airdropped 300y away from the towelheads therefore getting immediately discovered and therefore immediately getting gunned down?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, they fricked up the whole op due to their ego. The thing is that this is extremely common with seals. US Marines originally planned & submitted the Mission to command. Navy SEALs got wind of the operation & decided they should execute it. Even though Marines had been operating in the AO for months. Marines were QRF ready when it went south, but SEAL Command stood them down.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        basically same thing that happened to extortion 17, rangers did an op and were ok to continue with another objective but the seals decided that they were going to do it instead and flew directly to enemy positions with a Chinook that to no one's surprise ended up getting hit by an RPG and crashing killing everyone on board, that also made it so that the rangers had to abandon their mission and rush like 10 kms to secure the crash site before it got overrun by the Taliban.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          somehow seeing the seals behaviour I'm now not surprised that so fricking many of them unironically troon out afterwards. there must be something wrong with their heads

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            theyre all on drugs and get automatic clean piss passes.

            >Do you really believe he was found with eleven full magazines and didn't even fire a single round?
            That schizo claim has never been supported by any evidence. The fact that the accounts of that whole fricked up operation vary significantly in detail just invites morons to make up shit like that.

            >Yeah, he lied about everything in the book. Everyone else involved testified against him and most damning, we have the actual footage from the firefight, where his team members are yelling that he ran away and abandoned them.
            Are you that moron who made this shit up? I've seen the footage and you don't see the actual firefight. You hear it occurring with exchanges of bursts of automatic fire and yelling, most of which is hard to discern. You just want to assume he broke and ran like some Italian conscript in North Africa. Probably because you are too stupid to envision a situation that a team member gets separated from the others in a firefight. Or maybe just because you're a 3rd worlder. Maybe you think he should have just kept shooting once it was clear the rest of the team was either badly wounded or dead? That is of course assuming he was in a state to do so and not incapacitated himself.
            Sure, fighting until the end would have been heroic but he'd certainly die. You might say you'd have done that if you were him, but the only way to prove it would be to get into a similar fricked up situation and then get killed with the rest of your team. Go ahead and give it a try and see how you manage.
            The truth is nobody will know exactly what happened there. Even his recollection is likely to be flawed and have mistaken details because that happens all the time in every fricking war in human history. Even when something is pretty clear-cut you often get at least one guy with some weird-ass account of things that can't really be reconciled what what others are saying.

            lutrell pls

            Only other story i can think of with alleged SEAL cowardice was from around 82-83' when SEAL team 4 I think it was had dudes deployed to Lebanon. Apparently during one rotation, one of the platoons had a guy in it that completely lost it. It allegedly got to the point where the guy refused to go out on patrols and practically pissed himself hunkering anytime the area they were working out of took indirect fire. Guy apparently decided he was a married dude with too much to live for to be functional in a combat zone.

            marcinko and his crew were there then, they were the ones that got b***hed out for setting up ham radios to TX on a bunch of common car bomb frequencies and set off like 15 at the same time across beruit.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >marcinko and his crew were there then, they were the ones that got b***hed out for setting up ham radios to TX on a bunch of common car bomb frequencies and set off like 15 at the same time across beruit.
              I thought at the time of the barracks bombing that team 6 was on their first unit deployment to Greneda.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he was there 6 months before the bombing, and got all kinds of cosy with a bunch of christian militias and got them to work together for teh lulz.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ngl if

                theyre all on drugs and get automatic clean piss passes.
                [...]
                lutrell pls
                [...]
                marcinko and his crew were there then, they were the ones that got b***hed out for setting up ham radios to TX on a bunch of common car bomb frequencies and set off like 15 at the same time across beruit.

                is true, that's pretty fricking funny.
                >"they were the ones that got b***hed out for setting up ham radios to TX on a bunch of common car bomb frequencies and set off like 15 at the same time across beruit."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its something they ALWAYS did when they got in country, set up transmitters and let them rip. a car bomber blows up a mile away, no mess.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        Yeah Operation Red Wing/Lone Survivor movie/book

        The details are all over the place, Marcus himself has given interviews that majorly contradict details in the book/movie.

        oh wait is this the incredibly embarassing operation where drama queen seals refused to hike to their objective and just had to get airdropped 300y away from the towelheads therefore getting immediately discovered and therefore immediately getting gunned down?

        how did the higher ups allow them to shit up an op like this just because they are drama queens?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Iirc it was a JSOC Navy commander who made the call to take the op from the Marines and gave it to the SEALs.

          Tbh the instant the insertion team cut the snagged fast rope the op was blown and they should have aborted. The insertion was sketchy and everyone involved knew it, and they continued to throw good money after bad until the team got wiped the frick out and another helicopter was blown out of the fricking sky.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s far worse than that. Enemy was only 1k strong, back up helicopter they shot down dropped at the same landing zone so towl heads were waiting. Simplest of basic tactics learned since helicopters were first used, never use same LZ and DZ unless you own the ground

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >1k strong
        they were 10-20 max you dumbass

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know who this is or what you're referring to and you're a troony homosexual for making a garbage thread.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      newbies go

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Taliban saw them with the goat herders. They weren't even found because of them, and Murphy likely never put shit up for a vote because that's never how this shit works. The guy is a fricking liar. That's all there is to it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      but was he though? aside from the talibs trying to ice him he was hardly fricked over by the US or Luttrel. He was relocated to the US with a green card and given money. Especially in the context of him giving his own side of the story as a potential book that would make him royalties surely out of self interest he would be encouraged to back up Luttrel?

      There are Afghan SF guys who fought to the very bitter end who were denied asylum by the US who are currently getting their testicles hooked up to car batteries in the pul-e-charkhi prison so Gulab isn't even the same universe of fricked over.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's true that it's absolutely nothing compared to those Afghan SF guys who are probably are the only ones that even bothered fighting when the Taliban were driving right to Kabul, but sadly those unlucky bastards won't be heard from.
        All too similar to how a lot of good South Vietnamese guys from their elite units, guys very worthy of bringing to the US, were left behind to face whatever the North Vietnamese would do to them. The commies would promise leniency of course but everyone knows the fate of most of those guys was to be arrested and sent off somewhere, never to be heard from again. It's depressing when history repeats like that.
        Galub had it easy compared to them but I assume he simply thinks he should have earned a large sum of money like Lutrell must have, and I can't really blame him for that. In the interview he did with Newsweek he was clearly quite pissed off about it all so things must have been well beyond the point where they could reconcile and cooperate. It was a known fact that Lutrel had exaggerated many things about what happened once he got back to the US, so why shouldn't he?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It's true that it's absolutely nothing compared to those Afghan SF guys who are probably are the only ones that even bothered fighting when the Taliban were driving right to Kabul, but sadly those unlucky bastards won't be heard from.

          The situation's are very similar. One story I remember is a Afghan SF unit in Herat who managed to hold their ground against the Taliban despite no US air support like they expected but the governor of Herat switched sides to give himself a golden parachute leading to all the ANA regulars laying down their arms. The SF guys retreated to Herat airport for a last stand but they managed to hitch a transport to Kabul.

          There's also additional potential asylum frickery for example the UK currently has allegations of intentionally denying claims from a SF group that they created and that worked alongside the SAS to allegedly avoid them being deposed by an ongoing war crimes investigation about the SAS extrajudicially killing afghans.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The Taliban saw them with the goat herders

      there were no goat herders. the taliban and the entire valley knew exactly where they were the moment they decided to drop right on top of the target

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >go to any luttrell related vid on youtube
    >every npc is completely oblivious to the fact that we got the real firefight on tape

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hi Marcus

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. We have sounds of the firefight. You never actually see American forces getting engaged until they show the video of their gear being paraded around.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Seals in Nam were awesome but modern seals are massive homosexuals

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Seals in vietnam just killed civilians indiscriminately up and down the mekong delta

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They also wore cool clothes and rode motorcycles

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >killed civilians indiscriminately
        I think you mean well disciplined VC.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Seals in vietnam just killed civilians indiscriminately up and down the mekong delta
        this fits the definition of awesome

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hell yeah

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        deny the enemy supply, resources, and manpower

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Seals in Nam were awesome

      Seals in vietnam just killed civilians indiscriminately up and down the mekong delta

      >Seals in vietnam just killed civilians indiscriminately up and down the mekong delta
      Do you believe those statements to be contradictory?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    seals serving after 2000 can't operate
    all they know is book deal, talk on podcast, shill brovet product, do moronic tactic and get team killed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      LMFAO

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You should check out Taylor Cavanaugh. Dude got kicked out of the SEAL teams. Joined the French Foreign legion. Deserted French Foreign legion. Now he’s looking for his ten minutes of fame because it’s his turn. He’s some self help guru on the tubes now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      mullah omar was way more of a hero than 90% of these whiny homosexuals. i bet they have "disabled vet" plates on their F150s too lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is the military doing to them and why does every DV plate I see on the road drive like a fricking moron

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have a TBI. I am a fricking moron.
          >Verification not required.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The huff fumes and hit their heads over and over and over, anon.

          For like, years.
          >t. Was innaArmee

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People that latch on to their military service as their sole personality are insufferable, no different from any other vanity plate.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly no, I highly doubt Gulab was bothering to check to see if Luttrell's mag pouches were full or if the magazines were still loaded.

    I think that was a detail Gulab invented after the fact to implicitly slander Luttrell as a coward after the two started having a pissing contest.

    Also Navy SEALs may be known for being pants-on-head levels of moronic, but they're usually not known for being cowards. If anything, they're known for bravery to the point of foolhardiness.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Only other story i can think of with alleged SEAL cowardice was from around 82-83' when SEAL team 4 I think it was had dudes deployed to Lebanon. Apparently during one rotation, one of the platoons had a guy in it that completely lost it. It allegedly got to the point where the guy refused to go out on patrols and practically pissed himself hunkering anytime the area they were working out of took indirect fire. Guy apparently decided he was a married dude with too much to live for to be functional in a combat zone.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Men With Green Faces, I remember that book. Another load of horse shit “written” by another self obsessed Navy Seal.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Men With Green Faces, I remember that book. Another load of horse shit “written” by another self obsessed Navy Seal.

        Sorry that’s Warrior Soul, not Men with Green Faces

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the Lebanon deplyoment was a cluster frick to begin with. the white house and DoD had the marines sitting at the airport getting fired at constantly and just said "lol". the israelis fricked us over too there, Begin assured us he would keep us advised as to IDF movements but they then suddenly pulled out, knowing full well the chaos would reach the marines. there were numerous incidents between marines and israeli soldiers too, the famous story of the marine gunny pulling out his 45 and jumping on an IDF M60 to get them to move

          I was probably a freshman in high school when I read that book so my memory is hazy other than the anecdote about that one guy. The story about the dude losing his shit always stuck out to me. Typically when a SEAL puts out his nove- uhh memoir you don't get stories about guys with their trident b***hing up in country. That and I remember thinking the background on the Lebanese civil war was interesting enough, though how accurate any of it was I couldn't even begin to remember with how long its been since I read the book.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Twilight War by David Crist is a really in-depth read about the US-Iran rivalry after 1979. He has a couple good chapters on the Lebanon intervention from the perspective of the Marines

            another anecdote: after the Marine and French para barracks were bombed the French govt messaged the white house saying they were pretty much open to bombing the frick out of all the Iranian training camps near the airport. they had their carrier off the coast and wanted us to join them. but there was so much in-fighting going on in the Reagan administration over the intervention that we never gave them a clear agreement and they went ahead without us. they could only send a few Etendards and they did little damage but they were pissed for a while after that we couldn't make up our minds to join in the attack. when we went after gaddafi/libya they still were pissed and denied their airfields to us

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the Lebanon deplyoment was a cluster frick to begin with. the white house and DoD had the marines sitting at the airport getting fired at constantly and just said "lol". the israelis fricked us over too there, Begin assured us he would keep us advised as to IDF movements but they then suddenly pulled out, knowing full well the chaos would reach the marines. there were numerous incidents between marines and israeli soldiers too, the famous story of the marine gunny pulling out his 45 and jumping on an IDF M60 to get them to move

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dietz died right away in the first volley
    Axelson got wounded and died minutes later
    Murphy died after asking for help in a hill.
    Luttrell did the only sensible thing in an ambush and got the hell of the X.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Dietz died right away in the first volley
      taking a single casualty should not reduce a forces combat effectiveness by a full quarter. A four man fireteam should never by operating in isolation for that exact reason. Hell in a way, you're even more screwed if the guy doesn't die, cause now you gotta tie up at least one other guy to render aid at some point and now you're down to just two guys directly in the fight.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Small recon teams operate like that all the time. The difference is planning and execution. They didn't really do much of either well. When I was in recon, it wasn't unusual to set down small teams like that. However, and this is the important part, is that route planning, prior reconnaissance, and concept of the operation were all meticulously planned. I mean, they didn't even take care of the ropes. morons just left them there for these four SEALs to try and hide, probably unsuccessfully. It would not have been hard to find them. The fact is that lack of planning and overconfidence resulted in this failure. It didn't have to be this way, but what do I know? I'm just some schmuck, not an elit3 oper4t0r.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yet from what I've read at one point the team was able to radio in that they were under attack but weren't able to give more details. I'd have to assume that after an initial exchange of fire in which the enemy had fire superiority they were forced to fall back and didn't have the time to sit still long enough to reestablish comms and give a more detailed report. They didn't know the terrain and at least some of the team would have certainly been wounded to an unknown extent. So ultimately the enemy caught them in a bad spot and killed 3/4 of them in a firefight. Hard to say exactly how that final fight occurred but weirder things have happened than one guy surviving a situation like that.
      It is a certainty more Taliban show up over time after this occurs so when the SOAR birds show up one of them gets downed by a RPG, which is the most tragic thing about the whole frick up since those guys were going in pretty blind as to WTF happened. Assuming that the same squad-sized element that probably were the first ones to engage the SEAL team were the only ones in that area by that time is an absolutely moronic take. Does anyone really think 10-15 men who wouldn't have heavy weaponry could throw up enough small arms fire to be troublesome to two SOAR birds with escorts, plus have one guy in the right spot at the right moment to get lucky and score a hit with an RPG-7? A weapon which has an awful hit probability beyond 300 meters or less than that depending on wind. The whole "golden BB" things does happen in war all the time but it almost always takes a great volume of fire for that lucky hit to occur.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This board is at least partially paid cultural subversion by the CCP and Russia. The CCP is also largely behind the immigrant crisis from South America and are funneling thousands of military aged men through the southern border. They place them in whatever positions they can and have them work on cultural subversion. Tearing down American heroes, heritage and cohesion is part of it. I give this thread 50/50 as to whether or not it's made by angry little nobody white kid with autism or an actual communist spy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yep, this is a demoralization thread.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, /k/ has always had a disdain for SEALs turned authors/movie stars/coffee salesmen. Luttrell lied, and that's why he's disliked. We have plenty of heroes during GWOT and other wars. Luttrell just isn't one of them, and his dead buddies are a result of poor planning and overconfidence. They were surely good at what they did, but at some point, dudes start to think they're invincible and that everyone in country is a moron. People are smart. Even the dumbest group of morons are dangerous when armed, no matter how high-speed you are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          /k/s disdain of the current crop of SEALs who are physically incapable of showing any discretion about their work doesn't justify spreading moronic rumors. People are repeating the sort of shit invented by 3rd worlders spewing their hate of America when they're not sucking the dicks of Russia or China. The fact that some morons on /k/ have such a hateboner for SEALs that they spread this crap is rather fricked up. They desperately *want* the guy to have broken and ran just so they can shit on SEALs.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > implying there's any shortage of material to shit on SEALs from the last 3 decades
            Luttrell is just one of the easiest targets because of his bullshit book full of easily-disproven lies lol.
            If he didn't want people's scrutiny he shouldn't have said yes to a Mark Wahlberg movie, so take it up with the people who decided Marcus's fake story NEEDED to be in the public eye rather than just letting it be one quiet embarrasment among many.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This board is at least partially paid cultural subversion by the CCP and Russia. The CCP is also largely behind the immigrant crisis from South America and are funneling thousands of military aged men through the southern border. They place them in whatever positions they can and have them work on cultural subversion. Tearing down American heroes, heritage and cohesion is part of it. I give this thread 50/50 as to whether or not it's made by angry little nobody white kid with autism or an actual communist spy.

            Damn how did Russia and China convince Marcus Luttrell to capitalize on his dead friends by writing a book then optioning a movie to draw attention to the glaring differences between documentation of the operation and his own claims?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              All the fentanyl and FAS mobik bussy he could rape, obviously. I mean they haven't contacted you with that offer? Strange.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                unironically this. he is a crackhead. its fricking obvious to anyone who has been around barely functional crackheads that he is prime example #1 of crackhead given a pass.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Luttrell is not a representative of the US. If anything, the hatred for him stems from the betrayal of the values that are often projected on American servicemen. Furthermore, I don't consider it a rumor, considering the source. You may consider it unreliable or motivated by different reasoning, however, it's quite odd that the Afghan put the count at eleven magazines instead of some random number. That being said, I lean strongly on the belief that he must have run. That might explain why he lied so much about what actually happened.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              When you fricks can't even get who picked up the guy right you expect me to believe this bullshit? Because for some reason Gulab would go through all of Luttrell's things to the extent where he counted and inspected all of the magazines he had with him? I'd have expected him to be more concerned about the friendly local Taliban and their search that would soon lead them to his village.

              https://i.imgur.com/HDjYd5r.gif

              There was a total of 2 PJs involved with the operation: Josh Appel and Chris Piercecchi. Which one was your buddy? Oh wait no your buddy heard from a guy who heard from a guy who was there, right? Was the guy who heard from the guy a Ranger? Was the guy he heard from a Ranger or one of those two specific PJs?

              Anyway, should be easy to show me where they've ever said a single frickin word about the status of Marcus Luttrell's magazines. Or anyone who was there besides Muhammad Gulab and Marcus Luttrell who's ever said a public word about how many shots Marcus fired, for that matter.

              And Gulab's testimony matches with what we know much more closely than Marcus's.

              I assume you have a copy of any official testimony taken by Gulab after the action? I can't imagine that you do. So I suppose you are going by what he has claimed years later when he obviously pissed off about what had happened since that event? Are you so fricking stupid to think only Luttrell would lie and Gulab is some sort of noble savage who would never dare distort events when lashing out at people he thinks wronged him?
              And once again you can't even get basic facts right. The 920th says 25 men of their wing were involved but obviously not all of them were aboard the two HH-60s of the 305th that did the pickup.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Luttrell himself said Rangers found him in the woods behind the village, anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How do you think the Rangers got there? By someone's helicopters. Maybe it wasn't one of the 305th birds but the helicopter that took him out of there definitely was. Do you think the Rangers confiscated all of his gear to lug it around with them for some reason? No, it would have been on the bird going back to base and any detailed inspection of his equipment would have occurred back there. I'm sure the guys doing the rescue could make observations but to imply they are the only ones who would have been able to determine how much shooting he did is stupidity.
                If one were to look for most honest version of events by Luttrell's recollection the best you could expect would have been whatever he stated in the immediate after-action report he gave. The extreme exaggeration and inaccuracies on his part more than likely came later for. Some of the mistakes in his book don't even make sense in the context of making events seem more heroic.
                I feel the worst for the Americans who died in that fricked up operation but I feel bad for Luttrell too despite his behavior. I think it more likely that he was fricked in the head by that instead of just being an butthole for the sake of being an butthole the subhumans want to paint him as. If he kills himself someday those subhumans will inevitably be very happy about it, before finding some new method to obsessively hate on SEALs.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >If one were to look for most honest version of events by Luttrell's recollection the best you could expect would have been whatever he stated in the immediate after-action report he gave.
                Anon, there is LITERAL UNEDITED VIDEO lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but logically who has more reason to lie

                >a random Afghan who has very little to do with the wider events and fell out with Lutrell (because?)
                >Someone with a lucrative ghost written book deal riding in him being a hero and the US military leaning on him to try and salvage a a massive frick up.

                Cui bono anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                An Afghan who believes that he has been fricked over/failed by both Lutrell and the whole United States government doesn't have significant reason to lie to a reporter? A reporter who he knows is going to share everything he says with the wider world. Humans tend to do things like that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >They *want* this guy to have cut and ran
            You realize there's an interview where he admits to dropping his weapon and covering his ears until his friends were dead, right?

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            not saying I'd do any better in the situation but you are simply misinformed.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You do see the big problem inherent with the fact that he has given so many different accounts of the events that occurred, right? Which one do you want to think is the closest to the truth? The man is obviously quite fricked in the head after the whole thing so I believe his immediate after-action report is the most accurate retelling of events anyone will ever get out of that man. And quite possibly it isn't all that accurate because mental trauma can really frick with recollection. But I'm sure it's still more accurate than either the ultra heroic account he portrayed for the book and movie or the ultra cowardly account the SEAL-obsessed morons portray based on unsubstantiated words of a man pissed off at Lutrall for ignoring him and cutting him out of the media picture.

              >The Taliban saw them with the goat herders

              there were no goat herders. the taliban and the entire valley knew exactly where they were the moment they decided to drop right on top of the target

              Nobody can even keep their damn story straight. I presume it was the Afghan saying there were no goat herders along with his claim that the Taliban were expertly stalking them the whole time they were loudly bumbling around the woods like a bunch of fresh draftees. Why believe his word as gospel?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the one where Marcus admits to acting like a coward is fake! The one where he fights heroically but not as heroically as in his book is real!
                Why would he lie to make himself look worse on TV after his book came out, anon? That's a very odd choice to make vs what it seems to be: a man with a guilty conscious coming clean.

                Ed Darack has documented multiple times Luttrell's AAR directly conflicts with both the video footage of the ambush and other reports.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What about his actual AAR do you think contradicts the video footage? In that AAR he estimated they were up against a platoon sized element. We do not see enough of the engagement in that video to conclude the size of the enemy force other than confirming it definitely was not the 100 man horde he later described in the book. I'm sure you know that having a platoon sized force doesn't mean there would be all 30+ guys in the same small area at once firing. They would be spread out trying to outflank, putting down suppressive fire so others could advance, and other tasks you would expect of a competent enemy.
                I don't see why he would purposely lie at the time of the AAR about the estimated size of the total enemy force. We know at one point the team was able to call in that they were under attack before comms were lost. So we can assume the team wasn't immediately incapacitated upon contact with the enemy and made an effort to disengage from a numerically superior force. You'd have me believe this claim that in that entire time he did not fire his carbine once? The idea is absurd and even if you don't like SEALs it would be insulting even if you were talking about an infantryman with average training.
                These reports you talk about? I assume those are the intelligence estimates about whatever is in that valley. Clearly they weren't very accurate from the amount of small arms fire that hindered the MH-47s that went in and led to one being downed with a RPG hit. Or do you really think these 10 guys (although I see people claiming fewer each time) were absolutely loaded down with ammunition and RPGs to fire?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Take it up with Ed Darack you fricking eurotrash homosexual.

                Marcus Luttrell is a coward and a liar and you are pathetic for typing paragraphs in his defense.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post combat experience

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I killed 2 illiterate goatfricking moron teenagers in Afghanistan in 2009. How about you?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ed Darack is an author and photographer not some special forces veteran himself or intelligence officer. He is out of his element if he thinks he can definitely conclude how many fighters there were there, and at what times since more would have certainly shown up after the fight. How you'd accuse me of being Eurotrash is funny since normally I'd expect Eurotrash to be the ones on this sort of moronic obsessive crusade you're been arguing for hours, probably since you created this fricking thread. I wonder how many times you've created these fricking threads. Want to just admit to it now?

                I killed 2 illiterate goatfricking moron teenagers in Afghanistan in 2009. How about you?

                Cool story. I bet you fixed your bayonet and charged their position to take them out too right?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Ed Darack is an author and photographer
                Lmao did you literally just google him and read the first sentence then come back? That's fricking hilarious.

                >Cool story. I bet you fixed your bayonet and charged their position to take them out too right?
                I mean one was during a night raid and that felt pretty cool at the time but honestly, shooting 2 people over the course of a 12-month deployment in the biggest shithole on the planet during a troop surge doesn't really warrant much comment IMO. Would it make you feel better if I presented the story as a 500-page tell-all ghostwritten by a military fiction author?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sure thing ASH

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >. I presume it was the Afghan saying there were no goat herders along with his claim that the Taliban were expertly stalking them the whole time they were loudly bumbling around the woods like a bunch of fresh draftees. Why believe his word as gospel?

                no, its just a logical inference from the absurd claims luttrel made. there was no goat herder and no ''debate'' as to whether to kill him or not. that part of the story was entirely made up to both justify why the seals were compromised (rather than their own stupidity) and make them look noble at the same time.

                the only source for the goat herder story is luttrel himself

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fast rope from the helo got detached, that was the initial problem. Seals being seals probably didn't even bother to bury it or conceal it so that was probably what initially gave them away. They also landed on the x so helos were heard immediately yes.

                Whether there was a goat herder or not, that doesn't make any difference.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Whether there was a goat herder or not, that doesn't make any difference.

                Exactly. There were multiple people who knew the area that attested that any helo flying into the valley would have been able to be seen and heard miles away. Thats the entire reason why the marines were planning on walking in in the first place

                The goat herder is completely made up

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Marines wanted to walk it in but they still needed helos to take them there. The only available helos were the 160th assets, and 160th only works with special operations. 160th can't take marines, only SOF. That's how seals got involved in the first place.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              When I was in Iraq out on the roads manning the 240. I would always question if I was going to be like one of those scrubs In the Vietnam war movies like Platoon that takes a bullet first. Like I’m not the right man for this job kind of thinking and I’m going to die first. War does strange things to your mind.

              So yeah I don’t blame Marcus if he got scared and tucked tail. He’s human after all. Marcus also knew how fricked the entire Afghanistan war was by the way he talked about the fake news. It’s possible he was thinking in the moment of truth, shit I don’t wanna die on this shit hole mountain for George Bush and his fake war. Screw you guys I’m out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      John Chapman was an American hero who was abandoned by Britt Slabinski on top of Takur Ghar to die a hero's death against insurmountable odds, then spend the next 16 years of his life having his name dragged through the mud by Naval Special Warfare so they wouldn't have to admit they left him.

      The SEALs' role as a propaganda piece to sell Americans on the GWOT turned them into a malignant tumor on the neck of evert single American serviceman tbh.

      No, /k/ has always had a disdain for SEALs turned authors/movie stars/coffee salesmen. Luttrell lied, and that's why he's disliked. We have plenty of heroes during GWOT and other wars. Luttrell just isn't one of them, and his dead buddies are a result of poor planning and overconfidence. They were surely good at what they did, but at some point, dudes start to think they're invincible and that everyone in country is a moron. People are smart. Even the dumbest group of morons are dangerous when armed, no matter how high-speed you are.

      Luttrell is alive, unfortunately.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >of his life
        Well not HIS life, you get what I mean

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I dont understand what causes likely grown ass men to treat the death of these seals like their favorite superhero who definitely cant die to an ambush of 7 guys man theyre the heroes man youre just anti american if you say otherwise. Like stop embarrasing yourself. Americans win by being rational and better than their enemies not emotional denialists.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Motherfricker, I am a literal card-carrying member of the Sons of the American Revolution, the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and formerly the American Independent Party, more reactionary than 75% of the userbase of this website and 95% of the normies you would encounter on the street, and I think that Marcus Luttrell is not just a liar, but a piece of shit in general. And it has nothing to do with his being a liar or an alleged coward. Lying to save face, be that of yourself, your comrades, or your organization is understandable. Embellishment is dishonest, but understandable. Using your fame to actively advocate the committing of war crimes is not however.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit, are you even being serious at this point? Yeah I'm sure your great great grandfather single-handedly drove back a British regiment. Whatever you say. Nobody cares since this is the internet. But the fact that out all of the things about this fricked up operation and conflicting accounts you take issue with the notion that some special operations soldier would want to shoot some guy who is liable to expose their position? That is unbelievably naive. It's the sort of thing no soldier would ever condone in public but reality is always different from what the pearl clutchers would be horrified at, especially when you're thousands of miles away from them.

        Bro you seem paranoid and delusional, I'm going to be honest. I'm not even the person you were arguing about the PJs with lol

        But in the ambush footage there's clearly 2 5.56 weapons being fired, one of which is suppressed, easily distinguished by their report from the AKMs and RPKs used by the Afghans. Other people, not me, have concluded that those weapons most likely belonged to Murphy and Dietz based on where their bodies were recovered and the weapons they were known to be carrying.

        >Just like how you claimed you can clearly hear things that were not yelled in the recording.

        Starting at around the 6 minute mark you can hear them repeatedly calling for Marcus.

        All four of them had 5.56mm carbines. Anyone thinking they can determine from that recording that it was four or three or two of them being fired is talking out their ass. Of course names get shouted which is very likely to happen in a desperate situation if you've lost contact with other members or a member of your team but you can't conclude he ran off based on that. It is simply impossible to conclude exactly what happened and all you have for statements are the words of the man himself who is clearly mentally fricked up and has gone between trying to portray everyone as heroes and believing he did not do enough and failed everyone. He will probably cycle between those two for the rest of his life.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Holy shit, are you even being serious at this point? Yeah I'm sure your great great grandfather single-handedly drove back a British regiment. Whatever you say. Nobody cares since this is the internet. But the fact that out all of the things about this fricked up operation and conflicting accounts you take issue with the notion that some special operations soldier would want to shoot some guy who is liable to expose their position? That is unbelievably naive. It's the sort of thing no soldier would ever condone in public but reality is always different from what the pearl clutchers would be horrified at, especially when you're thousands of miles away from them.
          >All four of them had 5.56mm carbines. Anyone thinking they can determine from that recording that it was four or three or two of them being fired is talking out their ass. Of course names get shouted which is very likely to happen in a desperate situation if you've lost contact with other members or a member of your team but you can't conclude he ran off based on that. It is simply impossible to conclude exactly what happened and all you have for statements are the words of the man himself who is clearly mentally fricked up and has gone between trying to portray everyone as heroes and believing he did not do enough and failed everyone. He will probably cycle between those two for the rest of his life.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You know what? In retrospect I'm probably not being fair here.

            It's presumptuous and probably wrong of me to depict you as a white man lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Impressive. Will you be resorting to spamming reaction images for the rest of the thread or just this once because you're too fricking stupid to think about events beyond anything you read that reinforces your perception that SEALs are shit and Lutrell in particular is biggest coward to have ever served and didn't even bother firing his weapon before running off. Instead of making this thread next time just drink some lead paint or whatever you do when you're not fixated on this subject.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Impressive. Will you be resorting to spamming reaction images for the rest of the thread or just this once because you're too fricking stupid to think about events beyond anything you read that reinforces your perception that SEALs are shit and Lutrell in particular is biggest coward to have ever served and didn't even bother firing his weapon before running off. Instead of making this thread next time just drink some lead paint or whatever you do when you're not fixated on this subject.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No you uncivilized swine, I find Luttrell's conduct appalling and reprehensible for three reasons

          1. He promotes the idea that he and his comrades would have faced a lifetime in Leavenworth for killing those civilians when the literal opposite is true. United States Special Operations Command and the Navy SEALs in particular have been implicated in the killing of thousands of civilians over the past 23 years, in incidents ranging from accidents to straight-up murder, and the number of cases that have resulted in court-martials, let alone convictions, can be counted with the fingers on one's hand.

          US Navy SEALs ALREADY kill civilians with regularity, often in far more egregious circumstances, and are essentially allowed to get away with it. Even Eddie Gallagher, who was accused of shooting old men and schoolgirls for sport, never faced any legal consequence even as he was being charged with killing a prisoner of war.

          2. Luttrell's own rescuer revealed to have overheard that the Taliban had already found him and his team while they were debating what to do with the goat herders and waited until they were let go to attack. Executing them would have done nothing but pad the bodycount. Luttrell continues to peddle this narrative purely to cover for his own unit's incompetence in not calling off the mission after the Chinook cut the rope during insertion by mistake (which was how the Taliban actually found them).

          3. Luttrell continues to champion what is essentially an endemic culture of total lack of accountability within the US Navy SEALs. One that has led to everything from rampant drug abuse, to obscene acts of brutality, to literal murders (including other US Military personnel on at least one occasion). It's a cancer that has only served to undermine the Navy SEALs as an organization and the United States Armed Forces as a whole.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What happened now

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do I care about some trivial skirmish? No. Doctrine, somewhat.

    Much worse was lack of fixed-wing loitering CAS/ISR which is completely ignored despite Viet Nam proving its enormous worth with Bronco, O-2, Mohawk, Skyraider etc having ample performance at altitude.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Far out. I had no idea that this guy was the cowardly lion. I bought his hardcover book back in the day. I really don’t think the SEALS get as much fanfare these days as compared to the GWOT years. They’ve over saturated the social media spaces. They’re trying to remain relevant I guess. This dude really had eleven magazines on him not a round fired? I read something just a minute ago that only seven to ten Taliban fighters engaged with the four man recon team. Also that Marcus hid behind a rock and stuck his fingers in his ears so he couldn’t hear his teammates calling for him. Damn what a wild story.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      a two to one advantage at the start of the engagement with the element of surprise and 2 PKMs vs 4 guys with M4's, at least 1 of which probably got hit immediately and the other fricked off from the fight. Put ANY group of dudes in the situation those SEALs put themselves in, and they'd be just as fricked.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah man, and on the Talibans home turf. Shit was FUBAR before it even began.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Really now? Do you believe whatever you read here? That he was hiding behind a rock covering his ears in shame? Can we add even more craziness here? It seems that because Lutrell would later transform the story into some heroic and very inaccurate account there is a desire to make an opposing account of bullshit just to portraying the SEALs, and specifically him, in the worst light as possible.
      The subhumans with this obsession should just start inventing really crazy stuff to see if it sticks and gets repeated in the next SEAL hate thread they create. How about this account? Once dropped off the SEALs were behaving like a bunch of drunk fratboys loudly talking and just fricking around in the woods. They came across the goat herders, shot one of their goats for fun, and beat them up for not speaking American. So three old farmers got their old Lee Enfield rifles their fathers had taken from dead Brits and went after them. Despite one being blind in an eye and the other missing a leg they immediately find the SEALs and instantly kill two of them from half a kilometer away. Lutrell then failed his morale check and sprinted away down the hillside crying. The remaining SEAL, now wounded, called out his name and clearly stated for the camera "Marcus! "Why are you running from the battlefield? You have 10 seconds to return to the combat area."

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why you getting all emotional bro? I said I read it. I didn’t say I believed it. Thanks for the novel on subhumans hating SEALs. Maybe you could be a novelist for one of these hero’s and make some cash. Sorry I don’t suck up to your idols They’re just regular dudes to me and we invaded Iraq/Afghanistan for no fricking reason. So what did they really die for?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That you think enough words to make up two not-particularity-long paragraphs qualifies as a novel is more proof you're a moron.
          >They’re just regular dudes to me and we invaded Iraq/Afghanistan for no fricking reason.
          I know you brainrotted zoomers have never picked up a history book but events happened before you were born and these events had consequences. Afghanistan harbored the terrorist organization that murdered almost 3,000 Americans, so the US and our allies went in, removed the existing Taliban regime of savages, replaced it with a new regime run by corrupt morons, and wasted 20 years there for that government to never get its act together. I'm sorry that your parents raised you so poorly that you can't appreciate the sacrifices of men who fought on behalf of their country. Now go return to watching skibidi toilet or whatever your kind does now.

          >If one were to look for most honest version of events by Luttrell's recollection the best you could expect would have been whatever he stated in the immediate after-action report he gave.
          Anon, there is LITERAL UNEDITED VIDEO lmao

          Are you dumb enough to think that video showed the whole picture of what happened? The first part is a group of fighters going through the woods after them and then it cuts to a point sometime well after the shooting started in which which the camera is back with a few guys on a ridge providing support for others who have advanced down. Those fighters whom you cannot see in those woods are exchanging automatic fire with whatever SEALs are still in action, who you also cannot see. There is shouting of names and things hard to discern against the noise of the usual Allahu Akbaring.
          These monthly SEAL hate threads truly manage to attract some of the dumbest frickers on this board like you two and the guy who thinks the Rangers had teleportation devices.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Lol this is legitimately pathetic bro.
            >guy who thinks the Rangers had teleportation devices
            b***h you're the one who thinks the frickin Night Stalkers are PJs lol

            Also you can hear 2 weapons being fired back at the ambushers (who to be clear, were not "Taliban," Shah wasn't a Taliban fighter lol), one suppressed and the other unsuppressed. It's the only return fire you hear during the ambush, and most analysis I've read concludes that the suppressed weapon was Murphy firing and the unsuppresed weapon was Dietz, based on what we know they were carrying and the timeline.

            You havent addressed this btw.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >b***h you're the one who thinks the frickin Night Stalkers are PJs lol
              There are numerous PJs included in the list of names from the 920th Rescue Wing that were involved in that operation. The two HH-60 Pave Hawks that went in to retrieve him were part of the 920th Rescue Wing. How are you this fricking stupid? What are you failing to understand here?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're fixating on irrelevant details to avoid addressing the numerous things you've repeatedly and loudly gotten wrong about this, anon.

                The fact that PJs were attached to the rescue mission a week after the gunfight is beyond irrelevant to the question of whether or not Luttrell fired his weapon during the ambush.

                Footage of the gunfight where you can distinctly hear only 2 weapons returning fire is not.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You refuse to admit you were wrong, yet again, so you dismiss the facts as "irrelevant"? You really are a smiley piece of shit. Your claim that you can distinctively tell which carbine are being fired is you talking out of your ass yet again. Just like how you claimed you can clearly hear things that were not yelled in the recording.
                The guy who called you a subhuman was right, you have some fricked-up obsession with SEALs and want to push this narrative for what I can only assume is some bizarre personal reasons. I bet you're probably the very same moron who makes threads about this subject on a routine basis. That seems more likely than there being multiple morons like you who've made this same thread a dozen times over. I am sure the Russia shills looking to distract from their daily failures do like your obsession though. So at least someone appreciates you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Bro you seem paranoid and delusional, I'm going to be honest. I'm not even the person you were arguing about the PJs with lol

                But in the ambush footage there's clearly 2 5.56 weapons being fired, one of which is suppressed, easily distinguished by their report from the AKMs and RPKs used by the Afghans. Other people, not me, have concluded that those weapons most likely belonged to Murphy and Dietz based on where their bodies were recovered and the weapons they were known to be carrying.

                >Just like how you claimed you can clearly hear things that were not yelled in the recording.

                Starting at around the 6 minute mark you can hear them repeatedly calling for Marcus.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's Marcus calling for "Michael" to "come down" from the rock he was on calling for help with a sat phone. Listen better..

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can clearly hear "Marcus." Do you expect me to believe you over my own ears?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's different bits, but the loudest one at 6 mins is Marcus calling to Michael, you can hear his Texas ass accent there. I think you can hear Marcus too but actually Marcus said Michael was calling for him after he was shot.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As I said, I'm going to look closer into the audio. I don't need convincing right now.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The work is already done, this happened almost 20 years ago, there's tons of tags in YT comments.

                Marcus and Michael can be heard yelling at each other

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No. I'm going to do it myself, and I'm not going to listen to you tell me what I should be hearing. Go frick yourself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Be sure to check out Yanny or Laurel beforehand

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                go frick yourself you homosexual, I didn't tell you what to listen to I said that other autists, easily smarter than you already did it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm going to do audio manipulation. They didn't do that in the comments. Go frick yourself, and Luttrell is always going to be a homosexual, like all his SEAL buddies.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The work is already done, this happened almost 20 years ago, there's tons of tags in YT comments.

                Marcus and Michael can be heard yelling at each other

                The entire squad called him "Mike," not "Michael" you lying homosexual.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                His friends called him "Murph," "Murphy," or "Mike."
                I have literally never heard of someone outside of a formal context call him "Michael" lol

                Also in the interview posted above Luttrell himself literally says he could hear them calling to him and says he "covered his ears."

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm sorry that your parents raised you so poorly that you can't appreciate the sacrifices of men who fought on behalf of their country.
            I'm literally a GWOT vet, you fricking homosexual. It meant nothing. It was just a job, and these guys fricked up, though obviously worse than Luttrell, as he had the common sense to not stick around while they caught rounds. He's alive and they're dead. He wins. It's that simple. What I won't do is suck his wiener over it. What I will not do is try to rewrite events so we can feel sorry for him. I won't try to invent a noble narrative for the 20 years spent in Afghanistan, where my only good mentor ate shit without ever seeing the guy that killed him. Luttrell should be glad he's alive. That is the greatest prize he could ever earn. However, he gets no respect from that, and neither do the morons that let this mission go on as is. They essentially committed suicide, and this lying piece of shit wants us to believe that it was some sort of glorious last stand. The fact is that Luttrell fled to save his own skin. Good on him. Hope he enjoys the rest of his life as much as possible with that on his mind.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh we got a real GWOT vet here! Wow! I totally believe you aren't full of shit on this Mongolian basket weaving board. I really wish whichever one of you dumb fricks who keeps making this thread would own up to it. I want to see what sort of fricked up level of autism you must have.

              Ahmed Shah says that they heard the seals on their cell phones after they captured the goat herders and waited for them to release their prisoners before attacking.

              You can also hear them shouting MARCUS COME BACK on the video

              Every SEAL writes a bullshit book filled with lies about their deeds. Hell the latest 'I was the one to kill Bin Ladin' book even talks about how they got investigated when the $200,000 went missing during the Capt Phillips saga

              Ahmed Shaw said that? In the time between this fricked up op and him dying to some Pakistani traffic checkpoint he supposedly said this? What else did he say? Who got to interview the guy?

              go frick yourself you homosexual, I didn't tell you what to listen to I said that other autists, easily smarter than you already did it.

              >trust me, the top autists were on the case for 20 years and know what you will hear!
              Some of you homosexuals should really apply for a job in the CIA or NSA or something. I'm sure they'd be impressed by all of the things you'd be able to determine from any sort of video footage shown to you. How you Lutrell-obsessed homosexuals are claiming you're hearing all sorts of different shit and can determine what exactly transpired from it is a gift. Langley would kill for that expertise I'm sure.
              Maybe the gays just coming up with outright lies in this thread should have joined up with Lutrell to write some crazy bullshit stories together. You're clearly making up shit as you go along like he did once he got back to the US. At least he can probably claim the excuse of some sort of brain damaged or something.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It might not have been him, but the Taliban claimed they had found the team prior to the goat herders being released - this is according to villagers interviewed in the area after the battle by the Marines - who ironically are the only reason Marcus was protected and saved in that village due to good willd they had built up

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh we got a real GWOT vet here! Wow! I totally believe you aren't full of shit on this Mongolian basket weaving board. I really wish whichever one of you dumb fricks who keeps making this thread would own up to it. I want to see what sort of fricked up level of autism you must have.
                [...]
                Ahmed Shaw said that? In the time between this fricked up op and him dying to some Pakistani traffic checkpoint he supposedly said this? What else did he say? Who got to interview the guy?
                [...]
                >trust me, the top autists were on the case for 20 years and know what you will hear!
                Some of you homosexuals should really apply for a job in the CIA or NSA or something. I'm sure they'd be impressed by all of the things you'd be able to determine from any sort of video footage shown to you. How you Lutrell-obsessed homosexuals are claiming you're hearing all sorts of different shit and can determine what exactly transpired from it is a gift. Langley would kill for that expertise I'm sure.
                Maybe the gays just coming up with outright lies in this thread should have joined up with Lutrell to write some crazy bullshit stories together. You're clearly making up shit as you go along like he did once he got back to the US. At least he can probably claim the excuse of some sort of brain damaged or something.

                Ahmed Shah says that they heard the seals on their cell phones after they captured the goat herders and waited for them to release their prisoners before attacking.

                You can also hear them shouting MARCUS COME BACK on the video

                Every SEAL writes a bullshit book filled with lies about their deeds. Hell the latest 'I was the one to kill Bin Ladin' book even talks about how they got investigated when the $200,000 went missing during the Capt Phillips saga

                This is from an interview with Muhammed Gulab who saved Marcus

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            we had back channels high ranking members of taliban before we went in and there was a strong possibility they would have handed over bin ladin and his group if we had let them stay in power. but bush and the neo-con morons said no and demanded they leave so we could bring democracy to the afghan mountains

            its a volunteer military and if people want to risk their lives to take part in that cluster frick then that was their own call. i don't call that heroism, i call that doing a job you fricking signed up for

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >there was a strong possibility they would have handed over bin ladin and his group if we had let them stay in power.
              This is a lie. They refused and stalled for time, saying they would only hand him over if the US provided proof to their satisfaction and that he would be given to a party of their choosing. This is actually a lie. Afghanistan was shit, but don't make shit up.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            we went in to secure the poppy fields for the cia, and ANYTHING ELSE was just for show.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lol Luttrell dickrider anon has officially crossed the line into being clearly mentally ill.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          How do you manage to be even dumber than the Russia shills? At least they have the excuse of decades of propaganda for their delusions while you just have some pathological obsession over how bad SEALs are. Imagine letting the Navy live rent free in your head like that. Sad.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's completely crazy that a Navy SEAL would lie! Just look at Chris Kyle! Or maybe WARCOM's constant fight to keep John Chapman from getting his MOH. Obviously there's no way Luttrell could have lied.
        Is that you Heidi Klum? You sure type like someone with a lot of SEAL semen in your gut.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kek, the paid aurmen shills really got activated by this thread.
    Russia is still winning and your country will balkanize in a race war, cope.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Meds, schizo

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is this clearly european homosexual so upset that people think SEALs suck lol

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i believe he ran away

    i dont know if this particular footage has it but in some of the afghan footage you can clearly hear the other guy shout 'marcus help me' and him calling for marcus
    which implies marcus is not helping and is not present

    in previous threads it has already been concluded that it was a frick up
    they took the mission form the marines (scout snipers iircc)
    they chose to fly in, the marines were going to walk
    the afghans said they knew they were there as soon as they heard the helicopter
    they didnt bring any heavier weapons, they were pinned down by 2 groups of maybe 14 total afghans firing rpgs, and pkms at them to keep them supressed
    it was a frick up and the narative needed to be changed

    you almost never hear when special forces do well, so this disaster had to be turned in to a heroic survivial for pr purposes

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is all assumptions. Marcus could have just been focusing on something else and Murphy wanted cover somewhere else. The bottom line is most likely not even Marcus really knows what happens. He deff has embellished to make himself look good but that doesn’t mean it’s all false or true. It’s most likely somewhere in between

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The bottom line is most likely not even Marcus really knows what happens
        Oh, but he does:
        https://youtube.com/shorts/L29YYHqzL_E
        He knows very well what he did and what he failed to do.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    TLDR for this, which gives a huge amount of supported information on this story and is far superior a source to anything else that I’ve seen pushed:

    Marines had done similar ops before to great success keeping everything in house, but higher level rotations meant they lost a lot of their semi-independent operability.
    Marines planned and wanted to conduct the entire OP (recon, direct action, follow on presence patrols and rebuilding efforts), but the planners wanted to do low light heli inserts, which their air elements didn’t have approval to do, and only the 160th SOAR could be approved to do.
    To enable green-light on 160th SOAR, marines had to (very grudgingly) hand over first phases command to SOCOM, where (after a fair bit of passing back and forth), it ended up with the SDV team.
    The SEALs were told in advance the following by marines:
    >Commo is shit in valleys, take a manpack radio to be able to get reliable communications, not rely on a 152 and satcom stuff, which is known unreliable in this area
    >Marines fought these dudes, and knew that they were serious fellas. They said to take a larger than 4 person contingent, including a machinegunner/SAW gunner, and (IIRC), a JTAC.
    >They also, from previous experience, knew that insertion via helicopter was deathwish-tier. They recommended to tab all the way in from the nearest PB.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      On to what happened (that I feel reasonable confident in saying);
      SEALs assumed that as it was a stealth in, the ropes would be retracted. Aircrew assumed that as they’d always done before (used to direct action stuff), they’d drop ropes for airframe safety/not being in the area longer than they had to be. Nobody confirmed with one another. It doesn’t seem to have been a major factor in the end, but it’s indicative of planning.
      Whether that goatherder shit happened or not, they reported soft compromise and were then within almost 5 minutes in a firefight. If the goatherders did happen upon them 5 minutes before, they either were moving closely with shah’s force as scouts (in which case they were done anyway), or they were compromised already (5 minutes is way too little time for those herders to frick off and get shah’s dudes onto them)
      Marines were close, both in nearby FOBs/PBs etc, but weren’t approved to go. SOCOM were in command for this phase, and took their sweet time.
      SOAR helicopters flying in the QRF had an apache escort, and were told by a Marine JTAC to let them SEAD the site before approaching. The SOAR pilots flew at their maximum speed and ignored the advice, approaching to try and land before their escort was in range (which would have been in the 5 minute range, or less)
      The guy the locals sent to alert the US to Lutrell went to the Marines that had developed a working relationship with the locals, not to the SOCOM and other dudes who were nearer, because they had no such relationship with those dudes.
      When the messenger met with the Marines, they went in for tea with the dude and they came up with a plan for nearby Marines to walk in to the village with the dude leading the way. Wasn’t approved. Instead, glowies arrived in a helicopter and black-bagged the dude who had come to help – they assumed it was a planned ambush.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      On to what happened (that I feel reasonable confident in saying);
      SEALs assumed that as it was a stealth in, the ropes would be retracted. Aircrew assumed that as they’d always done before (used to direct action stuff), they’d drop ropes for airframe safety/not being in the area longer than they had to be. Nobody confirmed with one another. It doesn’t seem to have been a major factor in the end, but it’s indicative of planning.
      Whether that goatherder shit happened or not, they reported soft compromise and were then within almost 5 minutes in a firefight. If the goatherders did happen upon them 5 minutes before, they either were moving closely with shah’s force as scouts (in which case they were done anyway), or they were compromised already (5 minutes is way too little time for those herders to frick off and get shah’s dudes onto them)
      Marines were close, both in nearby FOBs/PBs etc, but weren’t approved to go. SOCOM were in command for this phase, and took their sweet time.
      SOAR helicopters flying in the QRF had an apache escort, and were told by a Marine JTAC to let them SEAD the site before approaching. The SOAR pilots flew at their maximum speed and ignored the advice, approaching to try and land before their escort was in range (which would have been in the 5 minute range, or less)
      The guy the locals sent to alert the US to Lutrell went to the Marines that had developed a working relationship with the locals, not to the SOCOM and other dudes who were nearer, because they had no such relationship with those dudes.
      When the messenger met with the Marines, they went in for tea with the dude and they came up with a plan for nearby Marines to walk in to the village with the dude leading the way. Wasn’t approved. Instead, glowies arrived in a helicopter and black-bagged the dude who had come to help – they assumed it was a planned ambush.

      Careful anon, the schizo doesn't consider Ed Darack a reputable source

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But for some reason DOES consider Luttrell a reputable source, but only sometimes. And when Luttrell himself frames his actions in an unheroic light, then Marcus isn't a reoutable source either.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah well, the dude was in those mountains and did the interviews - certainly knows a lot more about it than I or the vast majority of us can hope to.

        That moron reminds me of the dudes commenting about Tongo Tongo, saying that it must be some conspiracy that SOF were operating without 24/7 A10 support.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah IMO Darack is THE authority on Red Wings, and from my understanding he became that because Luttrell's statements blatantly didn't pass the smell test, and he started digging.

          But this frickin weirdo is like a pitbull with a toddler about it man idk.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not to distract you from sucking his wiener solely because you think he proves you right but Ed Darack isn't an omnipotent being with knowledge of all events past and present you dumb frick. He can't magically count how many fighters there were in that area, how many specifically engaged the SEAL team, or how many were there by the time the MH-47s arrived. All he can do is offer is estimates based on his work like anyone else. And considering the small arms fire those MH-47s encountered was enough to be a significant problem that is indicative of more than just 8 or 10 guys. We all know what you think of SEALs because they live rent free in your head but I suppose you think the 160th SOAR is a bunch of lying morons too?
        Nowhere does anything from him support your claim that Lutrell didn't fire a single shot and fled the battle with a full load of ammo. So are you going to move any other goal posts or are you just going to dismiss everything you don't like as being "irrelevant" just like when you were wrong about the guys whose birds are the ones that brought Lutrell back.
        All you have to support the bullshit claim of your thread is the word of a disgruntled Afghan man pissed at Lutrell. But maybe your Ranger buddies told you the same thing and we should believe you just like we should believe you about killing two guys in Afghanistan and any other crap you write.
        I look forward to the next thread on Lutrell and SEALs your moronic obsession will create. Maybe you can come up with some new bullshit theory about the whole operation. I'm sure the Russians will appreciate the distraction.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Not to distract you from sucking his wiener solely because you think he proves you right but Ed Darack isn't an omnipotent being with knowledge of all events past and present you dumb frick. He can't magically count how many fighters there were in that area, how many specifically engaged the SEAL team, or how many were there by the time the MH-47s arrived. All he can do is offer is estimates based on his work like anyone else. And considering the small arms fire those MH-47s encountered was enough to be a significant problem that is indicative of more than just 8 or 10 guys. We all know what you think of SEALs because they live rent free in your head but I suppose you think the 160th SOAR is a bunch of lying morons too?
          >Nowhere does anything from him support your claim that Lutrell didn't fire a single shot and fled the battle with a full load of ammo. So are you going to move any other goal posts or are you just going to dismiss everything you don't like as being "irrelevant" just like when you were wrong about the guys whose birds are the ones that brought Lutrell back.
          >All you have to support the bullshit claim of your thread is the word of a disgruntled Afghan man pissed at Lutrell. But maybe your Ranger buddies told you the same thing and we should believe you just like we should believe you about killing two guys in Afghanistan and any other crap you write.
          >I look forward to the next thread on Lutrell and SEALs your moronic obsession will create. Maybe you can come up with some new bullshit theory about the whole operation. I'm sure the Russians will appreciate the distraction.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Give him a break, the man was on his own could afford to fire a magazine a day.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the BAD ASS HIGH SPEED SPEC OPS BRO bullshit we have been fed for the last 20 years (and now it takes the form of stupid youtube influencers pushing MANLY products) is just a cover for the fact that we lost the war in afghanistan and badly fricked up in iraq.

    >BUT BRO LOOK HOW BADASS THIS NAVY SEAL DUDES YOUTUBE CHANNEL IS BRO. HE IS SELLING BADASS MANLY MIL SPEC BEARD TRIMMERS LIKE THEY CARRIED IN HERAT

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SHHH you're not supposed to say that out loud anon!

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ahmed Shah says that they heard the seals on their cell phones after they captured the goat herders and waited for them to release their prisoners before attacking.

    You can also hear them shouting MARCUS COME BACK on the video

    Every SEAL writes a bullshit book filled with lies about their deeds. Hell the latest 'I was the one to kill Bin Ladin' book even talks about how they got investigated when the $200,000 went missing during the Capt Phillips saga

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    former Seal and a former Delta operator talk about how the story is garbage

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The schizo paragraph typing homosexual should really give this a listen lol

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"they have a predator footage of Luthrell running away"

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm starting to suspect nobody has any clue what actually happened, including Luttrell himself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We know what didn't happen: basically every detail of importance coming from Luttrell.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was Murph killed by a knee?

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why do SEALS lie so much in books and on youtube. no other units do this

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Other special forces units take an infantry path which emphasizes everyone is fragile to bullets and basic tactics don't care about your other skills.SEALs have a navy cultural background instead.

      It's like trying to teach someone advanced wristlocks as a fighting style. Neat trick, but it's just that, a trick for people who've already internalized striking and wrestling. You can't skip past fundamentals to 'advanced' techniques or you'll get your ass kicked every time things don't go perfectly.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the pipeline. Guys join the Navy with the express purpose of being a SEAL, and you can literally do that. You don't have to spend time in another job. It's just a lack of professionalism. It's funny, but the one guy that's widely disliked in the SEAL community is fricking David Goggins, and the guy doesn't even hype up that he's an uber tactical operator. His whole deal is that he's a fatbody that made it to being a SEAL. He doesn't act like a fratboy or have some moronic philosophy other than to just keep going. I really don't know why he gets the hate.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. The Long Walk in Delta Selection tests your ability to ruck, pace yourself, use a compass, read a map, keep track of distance, plan, and move yourself to a point that you can't take a straight line to. If you didn't learn and hone these skills which are basic to an infantryman, you aren't passing.

        SEALs simply have to show up in the correct uniform, go through a few weeks of basic training style yelling, life a log and a boat, and be able to hold their breath/not freak out underwater

        This first thing they teach SEALs who become a SEAL is basic firearms safety before they teach them how to load a rifle.

        The first thing they teach Delta operators is how to breach a room and shoot a 6x6' target next to their friends head

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Then why did the Osama bin Laden raid went to DEVGRU? The reason is that Delta is a place full of frick ups. Even after Linda Norgrove DEVGRU is chosen for all hostage rescue missions. That tells you about the state of Delta

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            wasn't the head of SOCOM or JSOC or whatever a SEAL at the time?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, why do you think it wasn't a DELTA head of JSOC? The name's McRaven and he had been working on counter-terrorism since 2001 and proved himself smarter than McChrystal.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >On October 17, 2019, McRaven published an op-ed in The New York Times with the headline "Our Republic Is Under Attack From the President"
                Know what dude, you're fricking right.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Delta doesn't get chosen
            >SEALs frick up
            >SEALs continue to get chosen
            >This is somehow an indictment of Delta and not the people picking teams
            Okay.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Delta was tasked with handling operations in Iraq at the time while Six was covering Afghanistan.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That was until 2006. Then McChrystal did cross-polination (yes he used that word) of knowledge transfer, and Deltas and DEVGRU worked together for a few years.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The reason is that Delta is a place full of frick ups.

            Literally everyone, everywhere that has ever worked with 1stSFOD have said that they are the most capable human beings the US military have

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              SAS Sgt. Matt Tonroe would disagree.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He probably wouldnt because he's dead but ok

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes because Dunbar from Delta killed him. So much for being pros.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >being a pro means you never frick up anytime ever.

                what is this shit? Them being the most capable doesnt automatically tick a box that says "completely perfect 100% of the time for the rest of their lives" in some magical form somewhere in JSOC.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                cope and seethe
                Vallejo raped that girl.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Way to shift the goal posts. You said FULL of frick ups which is blatantly not true

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He probably wouldnt because he's dead but ok

                Yes because Dunbar from Delta killed him. So much for being pros.

                Can I get a QRD?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://sofrep.com/news/the-night-when-everything-went-wrong-the-exclusive-story-behind-the-death-of-a-delta-force-operator/

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A Delta (Dunbar) had a ND with breaching charges on his person, killed himself, killed Tonroe, and maimed a DEVGRU guy. And the Army gets very mad when you bring that up. They tried to cover it up by saying it was an IED, but Dunbar was not given a purple heart and an independent British investigation showed there was no IED.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this of course proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that because of this literally all of Delta is full of frickups...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cope some more
                Joey Goodloe assaulted a black man, called him a Black person and broke his jaw at shot show.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                delta and charlie teams are stocked to the rafters with junkies.
                >t. fayetteville native who sells to them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No. You don't just ND explosives, dipshit:
                >While approaching their objective, Sergeant Dunbar, who was serving as a breacher, set off an IED that detonated explosives he was carrying on his person. Sergeant Tonroe and five other friendlies were caught in the blast, which resulted in the death of the SAS operator.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Quoting literal cover-up

                You know we are in the Red Wings thread that is about how a failed patrol was converted into a hero story. Read the British news that found no evidence of IEDs.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cover up
                It's a response to an official report. Can you explain to me how these explosives could have gone off through an "ND", you fricking idiot?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Breaching charges are made from C4 aren't they? Isn't C4 supposed to be stable enough that a bullet shouldn't set it off? Suppose it hit the blasting cap or whatever the hell its called the initiates the detonation?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't insert those until you're actually going to detonate. Nobody carries those prepped specifically because of that. You know what will set C4 off? An explosion from another device, dipshit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly, then how dumb was Dunbar to fail at that? Why didn't he recieve the Purple Heart and why did Brent Tucker had to explain to the Tonroe's dad what happened?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Exactly, then how dumb was Dunbar to fail at that?
                Even if I granted you that he somehow prepped C4 to detonate while carried on his own person, that still would not be enough to detonate C4 unless there was an outside trigger for it. He would have had to have routed det cord or the wire with the clacker for that to have happened. You're essentially saying that the guy turned into a suicide bomber for fun. Now what is more likely, that a highly-trained Soldier did something he knew was going to kill him? Or that a nearby explosion set off the charges he was carrying and that if not for that reason Tonroe could have made it? It's really quite simple.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not the anon that claimed the ND did set off the charge Black person. I asked because I've never fricked with explosives, but I'd always heard that a bullet alone wouldn't, or at the very least, shouldn't set off C4

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Friendly fire" is cope-talk. The more correct wording is "Dunbar mishandled breaching explosives due to incompetence."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He stepped on an IED you moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I figured that out after I replied. My apologies. However, the guy trying to paint this as "mishandling explosives" is a fricking moron that has never even been close enough to sniff the aftermath of anything bigger than a .22lr. He doesn't know how explosives work.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cope
                Delta Master sargent Lavigne killed his GB friend Leshikar while drunk and then sold drugs and got killed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stable enough that only other explosions will trigger them off. Kinda like the mini explosion caused by the initiator

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Everything that disagrees with my opinion is a cover up

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A Delta (Dunbar) had a ND with breaching charges on his person
                How do the logistics of that one work? The sofrep article claims an IED caused the breaching charge to have a secondary which caused the injuries, British MoD report just suggests friendly fire, which may or may not be the ND into a breaching charge version of things? Just to be clear I'm neither defending or attacking here, just trying to make sense of the different versions of the story.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Delta has a history of being frick-ups with explosives. VanSant in the Shawn Ryan podcast said a dude blew his hand with a charge in training and a Delta operator called Chris Moyer said he placed explosives on screen doors and didn't understand how the door didn't open. By the way, why is Brent Tucker so Cagey about Dunbar? If he was killed by enemy action that's that, it happens. But he had to talk to Tonroe's dad to explain what had happened

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is shits like school girl gossip. Do you have anything to prove your wild claims?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This is Delta, Matt Pranka's response to his video in IG DUI.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A Delta guy did something quite common to guys in the infantry (drinking and driving) and did so without incident
                >This is equivalent to organizational mismanagement, war crimes, the killing of a fellow SOCOM guy, glory hounding, and corruption
                Yeah, bro, Delta sure is worse than the SEALs.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Delta has to justify DUI to protect their honor.
                No wonder DEVGRU gets every important mission.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not in Delta, but I've seen plenty get away with far more with less merit. Should he be reprimanded, absolutely, but he doesn't have a charge for it, so I quite literally don't give a frick. I only care if I have to do paperwork, and I'm sure his command is much of the same mind.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                isnt it supposed to be real easy to get booted from ranger battalion for discipline issues? why dont other units have a stick up their ass over the same sort of shit?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                social media was a mistake. the more peek behind the curtain stuff that comes out the more that movie Burn After Reading starts to feel less like a comedy and more like a documentary. sure it was about glowBlack folk instead of sof types, but i just got a feeling.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is Delta's Jesse Boettcher's IG. This dude was pictured in Iraq with a tomahawk, so this isn't a joke.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jesse in Iraq with a hammer tomahawk.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                satan you should know theyre all sex crazed serial killer junkies that have ZERO IMPULSE CONTROL.

                Could you imagine the guilt you’d have to live with if you turned tail and ALL your friends got killed and only you knew the truth of your cowardice and your buddies last words were calling for your help? Frick dude nightmare fuel

                the drugs him and his friends were on and he still does drowns all that out.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Man I'll busy say, the GIANT leak of sensitive JSOC stuff to a fricking public instagram where it was full length edits of ops over music was a CAG guy. The SEALs have a lot of fricked up moronation under their belts at this point but it's starting to feel like this might just be a natural consequence of creating a specific class of completely unaccountable military men then propagandizing the absolute frick out of them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post the link

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          land nav is basic infrantry shit.

          In fact when you got Delta selection, they treat everyone as if they don't know the first thing about it and they will literally teach you how to land nav right there. It's not exactly a difficult skill.

          The issue is that SEAL selection is a team effort, SF is a team selection. Delta is a selection where you are on your own, you don't depend on anyone else neither anyone else depends on you. If you can keep rucking when your ruck gets heavier and heavier, checkpoints longer, when you are miserable as shit and no longer want any of it. Will you break or keep going. That's what they are trying to find out.

          Its not like its some kind of an impossible maze to decipher on the maps and charts. Its mental aspect of wanting to quit under difficult physical conditions.

          And even if you pass, they still retain the right to shitcan you if they don't like you or the way you think just like that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I really don't know why he gets the hate.
        all the standard internet bs of "I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy" aside, but I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy that he was disliked because during his deployment he was so obsessed with PT that he couldn't properly function outside the wire because his body was still fricked up trying to recover from workouts. That and the standard high school girl drama typical of the loudmouths in the community who are jealous his brand took off while theirs didn't.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is a thread to distract people by bringing up a 20-year-old operation, from the recent frick-ups by Delta. Lavigne, Vallejo, Pranka, Botcher, Dunbar, Goodloe. They all have drama that the Army would like you to forget

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      qrd?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >All Delta Force
        >Lavigne murdered a GB called Leshikar and then got killed by drug dealers
        >Vallejo was leading a biker club for Delta and raped a woman outside a bathroom. He had a newborn at the time.
        >Pranka filmed himself DUI and posts pics of himself with beers in the car
        >Boettcher an instagram where he puts gnarly gore of animals, like a sociopath, and t-shirts like "bring laughter back to manslaughter"
        >Dunbar blew himself and an SAS guy and maimed a DEVGRU. Pentagon tried to cover it up by saying it was an IED that detonated his charges. He wasn't given a purple heart and the UK investigation didn't find the IED.
        >Goodloe, at the last SHOT! show, at Crye precision, next to VanSant called a black man a Black person and broke his jaw. Then lawyered up and tried to settle.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          USNIDF pls go

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    any recent frickups from other spec ops units? CIA, delta, marsec? air force PJs? DoE special response teams?

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did the talibs have any "elite" units during our time there? or were they totally ad-hoc? i know in iraq we had certain insurgent groups that were much more disciplined and skilled than the typical fedayeen. usually they were the groups who were ex-iraqi army and had received iranian support

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is the SEAL Ethos. Let's see how raped it's gotten after GWOT!
    >In times of war or uncertainty there is a special breed of warrior ready to answer our Nation’s call. Common citizens with uncommon desire to succeed. Forged by adversity, they stand alongside America’s finest special operations forces to serve their country, the American people, and protect their way of life.
    >I am that warrior.
    >My Trident is a symbol of honor and heritage. Bestowed upon me by the heroes that have gone before, it embodies the trust of those I have sworn to protect. By wearing the Trident I accept the responsibility of my chosen profession and way of life. It is a privilege that I must earn every day.
    >My loyalty to Country and Team is beyond reproach. I humbly serve as a guardian to my fellow Americans always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselves. I do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions. I voluntarily accept the inherent hazards of my profession, placing the welfare and security of others before my own.
    >I serve with honor on and off the battlefield. The ability to control my emotions and my actions, regardless of circumstance, sets me apart from others. Uncompromising integrity is my standard. My character and honor are steadfast.
    >My word is my bond.
    >We expect to lead and be led. In the absence of orders I will take charge, lead my teammates and accomplish the mission. I lead by example in all situations.
    >I will never quit. I persevere and thrive on adversity. My Nation expects me to be physically harder and mentally stronger than my enemies. If knocked down, I will get back up, every time. I will draw on every remaining ounce of strength to protect my teammates and to accomplish our mission.
    >I am never out of the fight.
    >We demand discipline. We expect innovation. The lives of my teammates and the success of our mission depend on me - my technical skill, tactical proficiency, and attention to detail.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >My training is never complete.
      >We train for war and fight to win. I stand ready to bring the full spectrum of combat power to bear in order to achieve my mission and the goals established by my country. The execution of my duties will be swift and violent when required yet guided by the very principles that I serve to defend.
      >Brave SEALs have fought and died building the proud tradition and feared reputation that I am bound to uphold. In the worst of conditions, the legacy of my teammates steadies my resolve and silently guides my every deed.
      >I will not fail.
      kek

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My only knowledge of this is from watching the movie, but why didn't they detain the sheep herders and take them to the exfil and release them there or like halfway? Why did they pretend like the only 2 options they had were killing the kids or releasing them right where they stood?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because that didn't fricking happen and it's obvious. They were spotted, detained them, and let them go almost immediately, because unlike Luttrell, Murphy wasn't about to kill civilians to save himself, as Luttrell very publicly advocates today. Not to mention that the Taliban had already found them, and only waited to open fire until after they had let the goat herders go.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, so why didn't they detain them and carry them along to the exfil point? Even if it was just to keep the talibs from shooting at them as much

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          1. They didn't know they "Taliban" (They weren't talibs, just a local warlord with a militia of about 15 guys total.) were watching them.
          2. Hard to move unwilling participants. It could also be that they never existed, but the local people themselves say that the militia guys waited for them to release prisoners. So some kind of conversation did actually take place.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That is false - Operation Whaler killed over 40 people in that same area, and took 12 casualties out of a battalion of Marines. They lost 40 and fought a Marine Battalion hard, but it was just 15 dudes who killed the 3 SEALs?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Operation Whaler
              It's "Operation Whalers," dipshit, and it happened after Red Wings, when Ahmad Shah would have more notoriety and clout from having killed not just one SEAL recon team, but downing a Chinook full of SEALs and other types and not losing a single man. So yes, it was about 15 dudes that killed those SEALs as preliminary reports show, as video evidence shows, and as told by the locals at the time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                15 dudes with small arms throwing up enough small arms fire to be a serious concern for two MH-47Es? And it was serious because they were dissuaded from at least one landing attempt. When one got shot down it was trying to drop off guys in a different spot that was believed to clear.

                How many RPG launchers among 15 dudes? Maybe 3 launchers at best? And whatever sized force was shooting at those helos had enough manpower to be dispersed over a reasonably sized area as evidenced by someone being in the right spot at the right time with an RPG. You've seen charts showing hit probability for the RPG-7. At 200 meters it drops off like a rock, and wind speed fricks with them greatly too.

                Maybe there were only 15 dudes when they ambushed the SEAL team, but there was a delay of several hours before the two MH-47Es showed up. More would almost certainly arrive in that time once the goatfrickers started bragging on the radio.

                You said 15 but the funny thing is morons out there keep reducing their number in every retelling. 7 people seems to be what they're going with now, but I'm sure they'll be claiming 3 soon. Or maybe just one guy who was the Afghan version of Rambo.

                Zero KIA? The ambushed SEALs were able to put down a decent amount of return fire over those several minutes. Even in the video showing the close of that fight at least a few of the SEALs shooting back.
                And later the door gunners on the M134s would be doing their best to suppress the buttholes shooting up at them. To take zero KIA from these events would be an absurd amount of luck. It seems like nobody here is thinking any of these claims through.

                I know some mouthbreathers here hate SEALs or any SF type with a psychotic amount of passion, but thinking the 160th SOAR guys are also slacked-jawed morons? That's dumber than any vatnik on this board. But if a vatnik did make this distraction thread good job. You deserve a raise at your troll farm.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >15 dudes with small arms throwing up enough small arms fire to be a serious concern for two MH-47Es?
                Sure, two PKMs are always a concern.
                >And whatever sized force was shooting at those helos had enough manpower to be dispersed over a reasonably sized area as evidenced by someone being in the right spot at the right time with an RPG.
                Yeah, that's not evidence. Simple coincidence explains that fact. The militiamen also likely knew likely avenues of approach and so on. It's not that much of a challenge. And as for the shot with the RPG. Yeah, sometimes dudes get lucky. This is one of those points.
                >Maybe there were only 15 dudes when they ambushed the SEAL team
                Okay, and that was always the point, that these guys weren't outnumbered by vast margins and simply got taken out for their own carelessness. The rest literally doesn't matter, as that's where Luttrell's story ends.
                >You said 15 but the funny thing is morons out there keep reducing their number in every retelling. 7 people seems to be what they're going with now, but I'm sure they'll be claiming 3 soon. Or maybe just one guy who was the Afghan version of Rambo.
                Well, 7 or so is what is seen in the video, and there's no evidence for more. 10-15 is what the intelligence seems to suggest, but obviously we don't have access to that, so we'll go ahead and trust it. What is definitely not true is that there were dozens of Afghans trying to kill this SEAL team.
                >Zero KIA? The ambushed SEALs were able to put down a decent amount of return fire over those several minutes.
                Anon. We can see the video. We know that the intelligence says they found absolutely no evidence of enemy KIA. It's over. That team got destroyed by some moronic militiamen with two PKMs.
                >To take zero KIA from these events would be an absurd amount of luck. It seems like nobody here is thinking any of these claims through.
                And yet that is exactly what the intelligence suggests happened.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >RPG
                The SOF dude podcast linked above, those guys all say that it was an SA-7 that hit the helo, not an RPG. They discuss it at length actually.

                Tbh I find that a lot more believable than a guy getting so lucky he hit the tail rotor with an RPG, although for sure stranger things have happened, it makes now sense to me that that detail, like many others, was fudged to save some face.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why do people like you and others behave like that video shows everything? There are some very basic concepts here that I shouldn't have to explain. You see the cuts in the video, they clearly weren't recording nonstop. If there was no video would you assume a bunch of ghosts killed the SEALs or something?
                What's the saying? An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Assumptions have to be made about some things because nobody knows the full picture. All of those Taliban who were there are almost certainly dead by now and even if they weren't they don't tend to author books.

                The MH-47s took plenty of small arms fire so they were well aware of the threat. I've never read an account where they tried to force that first LZ they selected, but found a different spot. But evidently that one wasn't clear either.
                I was talking about the numbers by that time because of some claim made earlier. If you just want to focus on Lutrall go ahead, but what more is there to be said? If people want to think he never fired his weapon they lack any critical thinking skills.
                >Anon. We can see the video. We know that the intelligence says they found absolutely no evidence of enemy KIA. It's over. That team got destroyed by some moronic militiamen with two PKMs.
                How are you not thinking this through? No evidence of KIA? What sort of evidence when you expect when they had hours after the shoot down to do whatever they wanted? Say what you want about those savages but they do collect the bodies of their people when they are able.
                I don't know about the weapons but AKs, PKs, and RPGs are obvious. There have been claims of a mortar but that would be near impossible to prove or disprove.
                >And yet that is exactly what the intelligence suggests happened.
                What 'intelligence' are you expecting to find about enemy KIA three weeks later when the Marines cleaned up that valley? The Taliban aren't exactly keeping lists and records of everything.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are seven guys on video and one guy holding the camera. There is no evidence of more guys.

                There was no evidence of enemy WIA/KIA in the recorded video, reports from locals after the fact, or found by the team that retrieved the dead SEALs days later. No bodies, no blood, no trails where someone got dragged out, no wounded talib showing up in the next village a day later, nothing. It should not be surprising that 2-3 guys with carbines returning fire while ambushed by multiple belt-fed machine guns and transport helicopter door gunners firing blindly at a rocky hillside failed to hit anyone, and it is wishful thinking to imagine that they did.

                The mission was a complete failure from top to bottom and emblematic of the action hero dick slamming homosexual mindset that is utterly endemic to SEALs and was at the time pervading JSOC and SOCOM as a whole.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why do people like you and others behave like that video shows everything? There are some very basic concepts here that I shouldn't have to explain. You see the cuts in the video, they clearly weren't recording nonstop. If there was no video would you assume a bunch of ghosts killed the SEALs or something?
                >What's the saying? An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Assumptions have to be made about some things because nobody knows the full picture. All of those Taliban who were there are almost certainly dead by now and even if they weren't they don't tend to author books.
                >The MH-47s took plenty of small arms fire so they were well aware of the threat. I've never read an account where they tried to force that first LZ they selected, but found a different spot. But evidently that one wasn't clear either.
                >I was talking about the numbers by that time because of some claim made earlier. If you just want to focus on Lutrall go ahead, but what more is there to be said? If people want to think he never fired his weapon they lack any critical thinking skills.
                >>Anon. We can see the video. We know that the intelligence says they found absolutely no evidence of enemy KIA. It's over. That team got destroyed by some moronic militiamen with two PKMs.
                >How are you not thinking this through? No evidence of KIA? What sort of evidence when you expect when they had hours after the shoot down to do whatever they wanted? Say what you want about those savages but they do collect the bodies of their people when they are able.
                >I don't know about the weapons but AKs, PKs, and RPGs are obvious. There have been claims of a mortar but that would be near impossible to prove or disprove.
                >>And yet that is exactly what the intelligence suggests happened.
                >What 'intelligence' are you expecting to find about enemy KIA three weeks later when the Marines cleaned up that valley? The Taliban aren't exactly keeping lists and records of everything.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >15 dudes with small arms throwing up enough small arms fire to be a serious concern for two MH-47Es? And it was serious because they were dissuaded from at least one landing attempt. When one got shot down it was trying to drop off guys in a different spot that was believed to clear.
                >How many RPG launchers among 15 dudes? Maybe 3 launchers at best? And whatever sized force was shooting at those helos had enough manpower to be dispersed over a reasonably sized area as evidenced by someone being in the right spot at the right time with an RPG. You've seen charts showing hit probability for the RPG-7. At 200 meters it drops off like a rock, and wind speed fricks with them greatly too.
                >Maybe there were only 15 dudes when they ambushed the SEAL team, but there was a delay of several hours before the two MH-47Es showed up. More would almost certainly arrive in that time once the goatfrickers started bragging on the radio.
                >You said 15 but the funny thing is morons out there keep reducing their number in every retelling. 7 people seems to be what they're going with now, but I'm sure they'll be claiming 3 soon. Or maybe just one guy who was the Afghan version of Rambo.
                >Zero KIA? The ambushed SEALs were able to put down a decent amount of return fire over those several minutes. Even in the video showing the close of that fight at least a few of the SEALs shooting back.
                >And later the door gunners on the M134s would be doing their best to suppress the buttholes shooting up at them. To take zero KIA from these events would be an absurd amount of luck. It seems like nobody here is thinking any of these claims through.
                >I know some mouthbreathers here hate SEALs or any SF type with a psychotic amount of passion, but thinking the 160th SOAR guys are also slacked-jawed morons? That's dumber than any vatnik on this board. But if a vatnik did make this distraction thread good job. You deserve a raise at your troll farm.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you moronic or something kid? Why are you reeeing at a reasonable discussion? Are you going to do some basedjacks next? Kind of pathetic that you feel the need to ape out because I apparently don't agree with whatever your moronic take on that fight must be.
                Are you homosexual OP perhaps? Vatnik? 3rd worlder? All of the above?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you moronic or something kid? Why are you reeeing at a reasonable discussion? Are you going to do some basedjacks next? Kind of pathetic that you feel the need to ape out because I apparently don't agree with whatever your moronic take on that fight must be.
                >Are you homosexual OP perhaps? Vatnik? 3rd worlder? All of the above?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                youre one of those gays that hates drugs but worships drug addicts. like seals and the rest of the degenerate child molesting junkies in socom.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Operation Whalers happened 3 weeks later, you fricking gay.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Operation Whalers happened 3 weeks later, you fricking gay.
                And you don't think three weeks is enough to recruit more people to your cause?

                Forgot to add I don't think this Ahmad Shaw is whatever sort of Taliban genius some people seem to think he was. After fricking around in Pakistan for a bit he got shot dead by some MP of theirs.

                Everyone hates Lutrall for being a liar but this new claim that he didn't take a single shot at the enemy? Anyone believing that is too fricking stupid for words.

                We don't know that he didn't take a single shot at the enemy. Just off reaction we know that he must have at least. What is open to question is the rest of his story about fighting to the end and only afterwards trying to save himself. In reality his commitment to his team is open to question, and it's not just me and other anonymous morons on the internet. It's other SEALs and members of SOCOM. Luttrell himself has said that he dropped his weapon, covered his ears, and just wanted Murphy to stop screaming for him. That's probably closer to reality.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot to add I don't think this Ahmad Shaw is whatever sort of Taliban genius some people seem to think he was. After fricking around in Pakistan for a bit he got shot dead by some MP of theirs.

                Everyone hates Lutrall for being a liar but this new claim that he didn't take a single shot at the enemy? Anyone believing that is too fricking stupid for words.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    probably he gets real upset when you bring it up, people who want to keep a lie going do shit like that. Most military guys over play there hand with what they did.Also the book was probably embezzled to bluster recruitment numbers

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What I'm trying to figure out is why is a Navy SEAL in the early-2000s still carrying an M16A1...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably one of those training rubber ones. Look at the shitily worn Alice straps.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm assuming that's a picture from BUD/S, in which case I would chalk it more up to BUD/S having a much lower priority than active duty teams, so they got the shitty left over stuff for the initial weapons training for guys who hadn't even made it to the teams yet.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably one of those training rubber ones. Look at the shitily worn Alice straps.

      I'm assuming that's a picture from BUD/S, in which case I would chalk it more up to BUD/S having a much lower priority than active duty teams, so they got the shitty left over stuff for the initial weapons training for guys who hadn't even made it to the teams yet.

      It's a rubber ducky. Luttrell's deep in BUDS busy doing moronic shit like lifting logs and sitting criss cross applesauce in the surf, the Navy's not going to hand him a real rifle for that.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Nice guess work homosexual. Looks like you got five right out of your guesswork. Real CIA operative stuff right there.
    >umm acktually the entire armed force's consensus is...
    The armed forces aren't posting this thread on repeat on /k/ like you are mongoloid. At least the Vatniks are somewhat amusing in their distraction threads but as another poster (also me) said, you're a troony homosexual for making a garbage thread.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Nice guess work homosexual. Looks like you got five right out of your guesswork. Real CIA operative stuff right there.
      >>umm acktually the entire armed force's consensus is...
      >The armed forces aren't posting this thread on repeat on /k/ like you are mongoloid. At least the Vatniks are somewhat amusing in their distraction threads but as another poster (also me) said, you're a troony homosexual for making a garbage thread.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he used to smoke crack with that frickup child molester murphy. I trust nothing luttrell the crackhead has to say. if you know his history, and his crowd, you know im right. all seals are degenerate as frick drug addicts

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the dude who wrote in his book that he and his team fought off like 200 Taliban fighters when there actually were only like 15 of them? I read his book while on watch duty when I was a conscript.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >15

      There were 8. Still, they had machine guns and elevated position. And they ambushed the seals.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The goat herder story is almost identical to the goat herder bit from Bravo Two Zero, which was also complete bullshit made up to cover the fact that the operation was compromised through shitty planning and incompetence.

    SEALs aren't infantry and shouldn't be used to do infantry shit. JSOC in GWOT was so concerned about making sure everyone got their turn to feel special that no one was allowed to question the logic of sending underwater demolitions frogmen to do mountain recon in a landlocked country. Then everyone acted surprised when the frogmen bungled their insertion, fricked up their comms, and got killed in an ambush.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sea
      >Air
      >and Land
      AND LAND dammit! we can do infantry stuff too!

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    sorry, "an unpleasant truth" according to Brent. What's so unpleasant about getting killed by an IED? That's just getting KIA. Let's face it. Dunbar fricked it up and killed Matt. That's why there's so much drama. And Brent doesn't want to tell the truth to the public.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe it was the part about explaining to the dude's father how his son got shredded by blastwave and bone fragments when the dude standing next to him blew up that made him uncomfortable.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, keep huffing copium.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/tragic-reason-elite-delta-force-solider-was-killed-70146

          Also here it mentions Dunbar's awards
          I quote

          "His military awards include three Bronze Stars, four Army Commendation Medals, six Army Achievement Medals, five Good Conduct Medals, the National Defense Service Medal, the Afghanistan Campaign Medal with two Bronze Service Stars, the Iraq Campaign Medal with two Bronze Service Stars, the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, the Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbon with Numeral 3, the Army Service Ribbon, two Overseas Service Ribbons, the NATO Medal, the Ranger Tab, the Combat Infantryman Badge, the Expert Infantryman Badge, the Pathfinder Badge, the Military Freefall Jumpmaster Badge, and the Parachutist Badge."

          NO FRICKING PURPLE HEART, MEANING HE WASN'T KILLED BY ENEMY ACTION.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ok but what does this have to do with Marcus Lutrell being a liar and an admitted coward?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nothing, but it's suspicious this OP happened 20 years ago, just before Brent Tucker's podcast about it. It's being brought up again and again. Yes, it was a shitshow, but everyone even closely related with the topic knows this about Lutrell. Hell, just looking at him you can tell he's in like 7 different type of drugs.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Luttrell ran, left his buddies behind, they all screamed for his name. A small squad of 5-8 people with a PKM and RPG ambushed them and they got mogged. Lone Survivor is 90% fake, propaganda by US military to maintain seals (assassins) reputation.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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