Ian's latest video on the HK P11 has me wondering just how many small arms are almost completely hidden to the public eye. If there are any that you guys know about post here
Do You Know Of Any Secret Weapons Platforms Not Available To the Public?
Ian's latest video on the HK P11 has me wondering just how many small arms are almost completely hidden to the public eye. If there are any that you guys know about post here
Is that the Halo 2 magnum?
Eh, I think there's a lot of hyberbole going on with it being "almost completely hidden". I remember reading a lot about it on Wikipedia more than 15 years ago when doing research for a role-playing game. I just checked and Wiki has had an article on it for 19 years. Perhaps it was super-secret during its early years but it has been publicly known since the early 2000s if not before.
It was in a James Bond game from the early 2000s
Yep. It was in the early delta force games so thats at least late 90s; and considering its direct predecessor was public knowledge (mk1 underwater gun), Im dubious it was ever truly a secret. For comparison you had an SMG designed specifically for CAG, a unit that at least at the time didnt officially exist, yet we all knew about the SMG2 by the late 90s if not earlier. H&K were always cagey about who the customer was, but the gun was public knowledge. I think its more a matter of obscurity rather than any real attempt to keep it hidden.
it was in janes handguns or whatever back in the 90s. i believe there are photos of the sbs with them from earlier. ian is a bit of a homosexual tbh famalam
>almost completely hidden to the public eye
>its existence has been known off since the 70s
these fucking mongoloid retards i swear
there's a lot of retards whose firearms knowledge is entirely limited to media. movies, games, youtube. They watch a video on a gun like this and they're amazed by this cool thing that they had never heard of before, and the youtuber talking about it sounds like he's some amazing expert....but really the information was in a book all along. They couldn't be bothered to read it themselves but they sure are amazed when the guy on the screen gives them a nice little summary.
Forgottenweapons is a no-nothing talking head reading Wikipedia articles day after day and clumsily handling a gun he's borrowed from someone more intelligent than he is. Even Karl at InRangeTV makes better-researched content, even if /po./ types disagree with his political leanings.
I agree he's a talking head, but I think he's reading books rather than wiki articles, and the wiki articles are written largely by his fanboys who feel like experts after watching his videos. You can see his bookshelf in many of his videos and a ton of classic gun books are there. In fact, a massive number of his videos can be traced to one specific book: Firearms Curiosa by Winant. He's mentioned the book at least once, but regardless it's basically "forgotten weapons the book".
>/po/ types
The Redditor fears the origami mafia.
This is such a load of shit by midwits. Most of the things he does videos on have stubs on Wikipedia, for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RWG%C5%81-3 vs https://youtu.be/0H538_7VSdU?si=fCQ_I6Zkz1spgAkQ or the article is filled with references from the same weeks he made the video, indicating that he updates or writes the wikipedia articles when he does the research for a video, for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82yskawica_submachine_gun https://youtu.be/fBQ3XXpyBTw?si=O4sPevW34sd2EOEw or that someone takes his references from the website and uses them to update the articles.
I have no idea where this aspergers meme about wiki articles comes from, but looking at the wiki articles for the weapons in his videos instantly makes it seem like a foolish claim.
And? While the H&K P11 is pretty common knowledge, there are, for instance, many Finnish firearms where the only sources are obscure Finnish books or Ian's video on it (mostly based on the information in those books no doubt)
I don't exactly begrudge him disseminating that information
>I don't exactly begrudge him disseminating that information
I don't either. I like his videos because they provide information on guns which I don't care enough about to bother tracking down primary sources. But if you want useful information instead of entertainment you can get a lot more, faster, by going straight to the source.
You fags add nothing of substance and proceed to act like some firearms knowledge turbo wizards for knowing of some niche underwater kraut pistol that was kept under wraps for decades.
The point is that it *wasn't* kept under wraps for decades if we could randomly stumble upon it so easily. It's been in mass-market books for twenty years, it's not some esoteric shit.
>had me wondering
lern too reed
i'm just here for the bump to somehow support ian
love you ian <3. im too cheap to buy your patreon
The Patreon isn't worth it. He only had a handful of subscriber-only videos last time I looked at it. Most of it's just ad-free versions of his YT.
A man who buys and sells guns for a living has no business taking paypig donations. Not with his clothes on.
>A man who buys and sells guns for a living
He doesn't.
I loved that pistol in Depth. It’s good but too expensive to get it and a tool at the start of the round.
>the HK P11 has me wondering just how many small arms are almost completely hidden to the public eye
Anon, just because something isn't common knowledge doesn't mean it was "hidden". Did you ever consider that guns are a pretty niche subject to begin with and there's a lot of stuff that's just poorly documented?
Its not about the gun being unknow, its just H&K denying its connections to it.
Which happens quite often, regardless of 1st or 3rd world. Think of the M48BOs from Yugoslavia for example, or the SMGs with made-up american company markings illegaly manufactured in Croatia.
Before you were able to look up almost everything on the internet, people had quite a harder time identifying make and model of a gun.
Its an open secret in the UK that there are a lot of plain clothes law enforcement in cities with high levels of violent crime or potential terror activity. Most of these officers use proprietary conceal carry pistols issued by the ministry of defence police service and are often described as being the size of a small wallet and fucntion like zip guns by eye witnesses or associates of such officers within the police force. I have heard the same testimony from 2 seperate people who work within the force and shit is scary when you realise that these plain clothed police officers are often deployed to attend and monitor political rallies or functions that are suspected to be "extremist" or harboring "dangerous sentiment" despite not being illegal.
like this?
I know its a meme but its not off from what I have heard
This gun was literally designed to be shoved up your ass and taken on a plane.
>start a riot
>cop shoots me with a .22lr lifecard
>"ow"
>continue rioting
yeah dude. you'd totally just shrug off getting shot. you're so cool let me suck your dick
>be part of big angry violent mob
>someone pulls out a gun and shoots me
>ow fuck ive been shot that guy shot me
>entire rest of big angry mob still un-shot
>deploy plain clothes law enforcement in cities with high levels of violent crime or potential terror activity
>equip them with zip guns
The sad thing is I have absolutely no trouble believing you without so much as a google fact check. Britbongs are truly something else
>Britbongs are truly something else
Dont tempt me, I could easily derail the thread talking about fucked it is to have anything resembling a firearm in this country. I hsve known a few people who almost got slammed by police lying to them about gun laws so they can do something incriminating so they can be arrested. Common one is being stopped after going to a gun range and being ordered to open your rifle sleeve or ammo box by an officer so they can then prosecute you for brandishing a firearm in public. Another one is that air rifles cant exceed 12ft pounds of force out of a barrel, so manufacturers restrict air rifles to 600fps or around 11ft pounds. But of course if you use a heavy grain pellet you can increase the amount of force that is produced from the barrel. So police can confiscate an air rifle under the justification of if potentially being a firearm due to it exceeding 12ft. They take to the firearms officer and they load it with heavy grain pellets and deliberately make the rifle exceed manufacturer specifications without nessasarily taking it apart. Then you get arrested and prosecuted for owning an FAC class air rifle without being registered and get 3 years in jail.
Damn, now that's hostility. What's so upsetting to me in particular is that as recently as the late 90s people were still able to own handguns. They always go for the handguns first. You know, the thing that epitomizes individual self defense in modern day. And also the thing that happens to be the most fun to shoot (in my opinion).
Britbongs usually get quite a ribbing on here but I always felt bad for you guys. I even follow this English firearms channel on youtube for updates occasionally. Cheers brother, I hope it gets better. Even though it likely won't, sadly.
Worst part was that the Dunblane shooting, the thing that got handguns banned, was done by someone who was rejected by not one, but two firearm officers before the shooting took place. He got lucky the third time because his local mason lodge had the social connections to make his third application easier and then got his pistols. Its a really dodgy situation that implicated a lot mp's at the time as the shooter was the lead procurer of a child sex trafficking ring which had alleged members in high governmental postions. Its one of few rare cases in british court to have a 100 year gag order placed on the investigation, with the only details known that he was part of a ring, unnamed government officials were believed to have been involved, he was part of lodge which helped in an unofficial capacity for is license and once he was exposed he went on the killing spree.
>mason lodge
>school shooting
>child sex trafficking
>100 year gag order
Holy shit that glows so bright you can see it from space. I had no idea. Got any resources where I can read about it?
You can find some stuff on Google, but be warned a lot of the main articals can be info wars territory so keep that in mind. This artical gives a decent summary of the controversy surrounding it all: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11901710.who-is-really-being-protected-by-dunblane-100-year-ban/
Another one which is an entire site dedicated to the discourse surrounding the stirling lodge that the shooter was part of. Boomer website aesthetics ahead: https://dunblane.site
Jesus, unironically what is wrong with bong society? The whole thing seems uniquely maliciously authoritarian compared to even the more authoritarian parts of the west
>Jesus, unironically what is wrong with bong society?
Look up the balfour declaration.
Their elites sold them out well over a century ago to people who want to eradicate them.
It's coming to the US sooner rather than later. Look at all the ways you can legally SWAT your neighbors now, combined with spying capabilities that would make the Stasi NUT.
Nag nigga, it's not. As much as you'd want that, I know that would make you feel better being a third-worlder shit-eater living in gulag.
Seems kind of dumb it’s only rated down to 10 meters tbh
Why would you ever dive deeper?
There's rumors that this was created for glownaggers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%BCgger_%26_Thomet_VP9
Of course I can't find any acknowledgment of the original rumors now since every article now says it is most likely for totally legitimate veterinary use...
The rumors make sense. You wouldn't need a pic rail mount on a veterinary pistol, and the VP9 originally came with one.
What if you need to put down an animal at night in a barn that doesn't have electric lighting? You can mount the flashlight on the gun so you'll still have a hand free.
>"Created by Brügger & Thomet (now B&T) for use as a veterinary pistol for putting down sick and wounded animals. The design is based on the Welrod pistol."
Does ANYONE actually fucking believe that?
The earlier articles all mention an "unnamed European government [agency]" or some shit like that, but I can't seem to locate them anymore.
What SMG is this?
Literally just called "SMG2". Looks like a UMP, but with an integrated foregrip and from the mid-80s.
Neat. That page also has a usage photo and another weird revolver gun that someone posted a real example of on fagbook recently.
The revolver thing
Fagbook photos appear to be zucced. It was from a fan page posted by a random.
Huh, I knew about the SMG2 but had no idea it had ever seen action, thought they just made a few failed prototypes.
His stuff leaves a lot to be desired but I think the context he films it in is a pretty big extenuating circumstances, lots of auction house or museum visits where he has to shoot dozens of videos back to back and often stumbles across stuff he didn't know was gonna be there and then has to slap together a video without much prep. That stuff aside I still appreciate his content just for showing a lot of this stuff anyway, even if he gets things wrong about historical context or whatever he's still the only guy out there giving us anything better than grainy black and white reference book photos on a lot of these guns, and definitely the only one taking them apart, demonstrating the actions on high-res video, and all of that. (The G11 is a really good example, looks like a total clockwork nightmare in any photo you can find of the action, but it's actually relatively straightforward and easy to understand if you watch Ian's video.)
You ever see the videos of that boomer who got one? It comes in an extremely high quality case that looks like something you would see in Hitman or John Wick, and he came up with a few ways you could use it when in public without anyone noticing. It's hilarious to me that they even bothered marketing it as a veterinarian device.
seems like often agencies will buy a big order of cool superweapons, and then just proceed to never actually use them.
the company behind this piece of shit claims they had a bunch of them purchased by spooks, and is trying to use that for their marketing. were they bought and tested? sure. are there actual CIA/Secret service dudes out there carrying them? I honestly doubt it
one shot sure kills? sounds like something good to give a bunch of would be assasin or just to cause trouble if its a fire and dispose handgun.
Well the P11 WAS in Delta Force: Land Warrior back in the day, so....
shill
what do I win
Has any other appearance of this gun anywhere taken place? Aside from this congress hearing I haven't seen anything else about it. Perhaps because they still use it in some form or another.
>Perhaps because they still use it in some form or another.
It seems to me like it was just something that they made up to distract Congress
neutron lens if you are in the west you are fine, not so much anywhere else the good news is it can wipe out russian or chinese missiles in silos in minutes
Elaborate pls
Theyve had electric ignition in military use since the 70s according to this. Why do people still argue its impractical to have an electronically controlled trigger for small arms?
Electric primer ignition has been a thing since the 1880s.
an electronically controlled trigger killed shinzo abe lmao
You know i meant in a commercial platform. But true, that diy gun was based.
Yeah still waiting for that. Would it increase potential accuracy?
Maybe? Im not sure how it would. The real advantage is you could make a trigger 100% customizable. No more poor triggers would probably help people shoot better.
Anyone saying a triggerjob is a crutch for lack of skill is an idiot.
Its an unnecessary extra point of failure, thats all. People also are wary of any middlemen between "pull trigger" and "go bang", especially with that whole smartgun angle which was a legitimate legal risk for many years. Think thats been repealed now though.
If it's practical, and it's been around for 50 years, then why hasn't there been a single successful commercial product?
supposedly mosf of the inventions that ultimately get seized and classified due to national security are firearms related. a few hundred a year or such
>An Act to provide for the withholding of certain patents that might be detrimental to the national security, and for other purposes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act
https://fas.org/publication/invention-secrecy-2018/
https://sgp.fas.org/othergov/invention/stats.html
Im blaming the ATF and fudds. Theres still a lot of older people who think red dots and optics are a fad because its just another point of failure and batteries are bad.
Imagine convincing someone like that to let the trigger be electronic. This is the same crowd that always tells me safeties can and will fail but dont even understand how theyre used.
Also i think the ATF has something against them because they think you can make a machinegun with a microcontroller.
Has Ian finally exhausted the supply of forgotten weapons?
No, he doesn't have a video on the Lahti L-36, for one, despite having done a video on the more obscure Pelo rifles
no he exhausted rock island auctions' patience with him after scamming them with video release timing and stuff
Its called forgotten weapons. Most people don't really care about frogman under water guns that are really* weird like that one Russian rifle