Do they actually need all that stuff? Modern infantry carry more than infantry from any other time period.

Do they actually need all that stuff? Modern infantry carry more than infantry from any other time period.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the hell even is all of that? Extra sand?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What's in the bag?
      Their entire CIF issue that leadership made them bring and they have to layout once a week and will receive a statement of charges if anything is missing.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Companies that make back pills and joint medication sponsor the army

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I see the results at the pain clinic. I'm prior AF but it's packed with Army vets.

      >Ate nothing but MREs for the first 3 months.
      Isn't that kinda illegal?
      >They are intended to be eaten for a maximum of 21 days (the assumption is that logistics units can provide fresh food rations by then),

      >Isn't that kinda illegal?

      Only the hypersensitve care and G.I.s cry as if they were gourmets back home. (I've inspected dorms and base housing and know better.)

      After Desert Shield the last of the actively nasty MREs from the late 1980s had been eaten (except for the swollen Ham Slice of death which was quickly detected and destroyed because shitting yourself in da sand box is demoralizing).

      (Almost) anything later was good enough we left cases on the line trucks because it was much more convenient than DFAC. I'd have no problem living on MREs but not three a day in peacetime or ya get fat. C-rats were better than early MREs (fruit wienertail for example was just canned fruit) and certainly edible. I had a few the Air Force was expending in Basic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I miss the MREs that tasted strongly of barley.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >After Desert Shield the last of the actively nasty MREs
        Emphatically incorrect, you've clearly never had the veggie vommit(omelet), that in itself was a warcrime. You got lucky in beast week if you missed that one.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what exactly is inside those bags anyway? camping material?

    no way all that is ammo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What is food and water

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >30 lbs of food and water
        if true, massively moronic. crunchy granola eating hippies figured this shit out already.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sleeping stuff, extra cammies,/shirts/underwear/socks, e-tool, spare batteries, warming layers, another pair of boots, food, water, rifle cleaning kit, hygiene kit, and maybe linked 7.62 since the guy in the foreground is carrying spare m240 barrels.
      it's almost never all carried like this in country and would spend most of the time in the vehicle. most they would have on patrol is an assault pack that focuses more on ammo, some layers, and specialized gear like a thermal optic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        only real answer in the thread, bros luggin gear survive two weeks in the field

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Total doctrine failure.
        In medieval times there were logistic situations when soldiers needed to carry large weights (it was also multiplied by problem that they had no modern lightweight plastic camping stuff, their tents, blankets and cooking pots weighted a ton).
        Such contradiction was solved by splitting force into soldiers and servants. Knights and arms bearers and pages. Also they used pack horses. So knights were relatively fresh and not tired, always read for combat combat. Because they rode horses, carried only combat gear, and didn't do camping labor

        Those modern overloaded soldiers is peace time thinking, when you don't need actually fight and it's just camping trip.
        >Afghanistan is war hurr Durr!
        No it's not. Enemy threat was so low it was basically advanced training. So boomers in charge could get away with their boomers ideas.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Read about the marian reforms. This isne a modern thing, romans learned it a long time ago. Keeping slaves and servants around as pack mules is dumb and not very efficient.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Keeping slaves and servants around as pack mules is dumb and not very efficient.
            Depends. If you hit unsustainable levels of load it's only way. Like it was with knights. Their armor alone already hits unsustainable levels of weight and bulk. You can fight in it but you are not gonna march on foot in knights armor.

            And you with your 2 weeks sustainability rack ain't gonna catch Taliban fighters who only carry PKM with ammo at most (and who also hop on motorcycles any time it's possible).

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Plate armor was around 65 pounds on the heavier end, that's about half of what some light infantry lug around today. It becomes ridiculous when you really think about how much shit infantry carry around these days, and especially how much of it really isn't that necessary.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And if you've actually read anything about the history of the post-Marian legions, you'd know that the Romans reverted back to the system of pack animals and camp followers. There's a reason why this logistical arrangement was universally practiced throughout most of human history; it's the most efficient way of dealing with logistical considerations while keeping the fighting men fresh for combat and allows longevity in the soldiering trade by reducing tear on the body.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Keeping slaves and servants around as pack mules is dumb and not very efficient.
            Seriously. If you're going to bring extra people, you might as well arm them. If you're going to arm them then you might as well train them. If you're going to bring armed, trained people with you, you might as well just bring more soldiers.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Seriously. If you're going to bring extra people, you might as well arm them
              Arms bearers were armed, fro military purposes they can be considered medium cavalry.
              Pages were armed too but not really soldiers, many of them boys.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          do you not understand the purpose of multiple day foot patrols in areas not accessible by vehicles?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What kind of areas?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The ones where one moron with Tunguska shoots your toy down.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So why are the grunts patrolling instead of assaulting the spot it was launched from?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because Tunguska can lower it's cannon low enough to kill your infantry.

                I am certain you're a fricking never-served, so i'm gonna explain - patrol is when you sneak up on shit, it's not when you walk around like a moron. Most assaults begin with you patrolling to the staging area from which you assault.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >in areas not accessible by vehicles?
            Funny thing that Taliban fighters travel in these areas using technicals and motorbikes.
            OP image is clearly vehicles accessable terrain.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Such contradiction was solved by splitting force into soldiers and servants. Knights and arms bearers and pages. Also they used pack horses. So knights were relatively fresh and not tired, always read for combat combat. Because they rode horses, carried only combat gear, and didn't do camping labor
          >what are vehicles
          >what are ranks and the chain of command
          you are actually moronic

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ya, way more efficient to keep your fighting men lean and ready for combat. You just need half again or more in slaves, the food and water they'll need, plus the time it takes to move and pitch camp for a significantly larger force. Efficiently. Not to mention the vanguard protecting your baggage train, splitting your forces is notably the most efficient means of employing them

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shorts are kinda gay

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Total doctrine failure
          Clearly not, since we won and everything

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sleeping stuff, extra cammies,/shirts/underwear/socks, e-tool, spare batteries, warming layers, another pair of boots, food, water, rifle cleaning kit, hygiene
        I carry all this shit on weeklong hunting trips in a 70L cinched down to 30% of that size
        >extra boots
        okay, that's plausible moronation that explains a little
        >Belts/barrels
        Explains the pain but not much of the bulk. Shit seems horrendous

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're not carrying 46 lbs of water in a 70L pack cinched down to anything.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly fair. I didn't think of the inability to purify anything in that hellhole, though water is pretty dense

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >in a 70L cinched down to 30% of that size
          there's an assault pack strapped on the top.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The army sleeping bag is bulky in cold weather conditions. MREs are bulky too. That said, since digging around is a pain many new enlisted pack in a low-density way. Lots of outer pockets for the same mass.

          https://i.imgur.com/XxoWKyZ.png

          Absolutely zased.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            MRE are bulk compared to what? You require food so it's only fair to compare MRE to other military rations. And MRE are not bulky or heavy compared to most nations rations.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Potatoes

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >extra cammies,/shirts
        These are all completely unnecessary and useless.
        You can wear the same clothes for two months straight, maybe rotate your socks to let them dry and change your undies if you shit your pants.
        >another pair of boots
        This is moronic
        >hygiene kit
        So a tootbrush and some blister band aids? Not worth mentioning

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You can
          You can't.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You can wear the same clothes for two months straight,
          Maybe you can

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You can wear the same clothes for two months straight
          What happens if they get tore or damaged in anyway are you just going to walk around in BDUs with holes in them
          >Another pair of boots
          What are you supposed to do if they get wet from a storm or crossing a river are you supposed to just change your socks but not your wet boots. What happens if your boots get damaged?
          >Hygiene kit
          It’s not just “ Toothpaste and bandages “ it’s stuff like soap, toilet paper, and deodorant.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >are you just going to walk around in BDUs with holes in them
            Yes, a 100% yes, you're not on fricking parade dude. Besides your hygiene kit should include a needle and some thread.
            >What are you supposed to do if they get wet from a storm or crossing a river
            You live with it. And dry them when you've got the opportunity. It sucks but if you got proper socks it's not that bad. Try not to go swimming with your boots on.
            >What happens if your boots get damaged?
            Military leather boots are rugged as frick. They don't get damaged suddenly, and if you notice them degrading you change them before going out.
            >soap
            >deodorant
            Haha what the frick dude are you going on a parade?? Do you shave your beard every morning and iron your uniform so you can look your best while crawling through the mud LMAO. Toilet paper is useful but also very light weight.

            t. FDF we also had to carry a lot of useless shit but you americans are on a whole different level honestly.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>soap

              >Haha what the frick dude are you going on a parade?? Do you shave your beard every morning and iron your uniform so you can look your best while crawling through the mud LMAO. Toilet paper is useful but also very light weight.
              >t. FDF we also had to carry a lot of useless shit but you americans are on a whole different level honestly.
              Black folk smell a whole lot more than whites and if they are forced to have soap then everyone has to have it otherwise racism. I got stuck sharing a foxhole with a Black person, they smell
              You euroshits wouldn't know

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you unironically think we bring any of this bullshit out lmfao. I have never once packed "extra boots, soap, deoderant". Maybe, maybe antipersperant and scent killer just to minimize scent in a hide sight.

              You're replying to an anon that has never even held a rifle, FYI.

              t. American Infantry

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you're in a wet env, socks. lots and lots of socks. and underwear. but def spare boots

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a body pillow, nintendo switch OLED, a set of Magic the Gathering cards, blanket, parasol, a folding chair, gardening tools, a lego set of choice, Nvidia RTX 3060 with triple fans

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >war... has changed

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it was probably easier in 2003 because a gameboy advance was smaller and you could take the AA batteries out of your HWS instead of having to bring a battery bank to charge your switch

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No child soldier gf?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cartons of cigs, logs of dip, a 24 pack of rip-its, 12 pack wild tiger, skittles, beef jerky, 12 chili mac MREs, skittles, peanut m&ms, sunflower seeds, porno mags, and a pair of socks.
      It really adds up, war is hell.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thank you for your service

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"""""""Light""""" Infantry

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This dude was 11B. He knows

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that dude is carrying straight gold bars

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >UCP rucksack and Vest.
        I miss when US Army wore a cool digital camo. And idk how ineffective it was since UCP was pure swag.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's because the concept of how light infantry function in western military thinking is fricked and has been for some time.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is why jungle warfare is based, you can't carry all that shit and neither can your enemy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Light infantry doesn't (or rather SHOULDN'T) exist anymore. The advent of the automobile and the helicopter means that infantry should be fighting exclusively as dragoons and leaving most of their shit in the car. However for some reason military leadership INSISTS on loading everything onto the back of a single soldier and exploding their knees.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >However for some reason military leadership INSISTS on loading everything onto the back of a single soldier and exploding their knees.

        I've noticed that leadership in the military tends to be enamored with romantic notions and ideals of the past with regards to how infantry behaved. There's this belief that all infantry should behave like the skirmishing companies of the Napoleonic era; that they should be self-sufficient and crack shots. Hence we see infantrymen lugging around over 100lbs of equipment and equipped with service rifles that are delicately fined tuned for accuracy, but require constant maintenance as a result.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Jungles. Light infantry are kept around for jungles and mountains where cars aren't practical, with the side effect that they have a much smaller logistic footprint than the equivalent motorized unit. This makes them attractive to deploy, because without an organic motorpool they can do damn near anything a mechanized unit can in a low-intensity conflict, cheaper.

        >Giving everyone a helicopter
        It's a cold day in Hell when the USAF lets the Army have more aircraft than itself.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          even in muddy jungles, you can use carts/wheelbarrows with large non-spoked wheels to carry all your 'tarded-ass 400lbs of kit

          climbing on rocky terrain is really the only situation that legs are required between your kit and the ground

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the army has more aircraft than the air force. has for a long time, if not the entirety of the air forces existence. Google it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            BS, Army don't got shit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        congratulations you are now restricted to roads only which are massive chokepoints

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >implying legs can go any further on or off road

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >light infantry should have nothing but a rifle and a uniform
      theres simply a tradeoff the army is willing to make
      carrying a heavier load allows for higher combat endurance at the cost of lower operational mobility

      most western armies simply prioritize endurance over speed, since the extra cost of providing transportation can cover that deficiency over long distances
      at short distances, they just accept that a lower lifespan of your knees is an acceptable trade off to having night vision and body armor when you need it

      soviet armies were incredibly lean, with only the most basic of kits, which led to faster deployment and march speed
      but it also meant that they lacked specialist equipment in the field and would rarely have an answer to any specific situation

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >soviet armies were incredibly lean, with only the most basic of kits
        No they not. They simply run baggage train. For example for cold weather (that is extremely common in Russia) they run WWII cold weather tech. Instead of individual sleeping bags that can withstand outdoor cold they had squad and platoon sized tents with portable wood stoves. All that shit rode in the companies and battalion baggage train.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hey simply run baggage train
          in the baggage train means it isnt with them when they need it
          which means they are running lean

          >All that shit rode in the companies and battalion baggage train.
          which reduces tactical flexibility to correspondingly reduce weight

          its simply a trade off between keeping all items forward to ensure a proper response to a situation in exchange for carrying more stuff

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Isn't with them when they need it
            HOLY SHIT! We're taking fire! Someone, quick, go into my giant suitcase and pull out my 3 extra pairs of boots! Someone get my ironing board out of my pack and set it up in case I need to press my shirt after this!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, the idea that infantry will be unsupported in the field for a week without all dying is fricking moronic, they need 1 days rations and some water purification pills just in case they are on their own for a few days.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was listen to feminist debates sometimes and they all think soldiers carrying supplies on their back is a thing of the past. They believe supplies are air dropped or vehicle delivered. This is their argument for women being allowed in the infantry, because soldiers don't have to walk long distances carrying heavy things.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's another soldier sleeping in the backpack
    that way the unit is always operational

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like team drivers kek that’s brilliant

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And when the shit hits his buddy wakes up and covers his 6

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spent 5 months building a FOB and had my ruck filled with nearly 2 weeks worth of shit. Ate nothing but MREs for the first 3 months. No units came out, we saw literally no military at all. Slept in our trucks, in a hole when we got tired of the stink. By the end, my gear was completely unserviceable. ACUs were 90% caked on moon dust and 10% fabric. Not one Black person for those entire 3 months so that was nice. Once the MKT came around, that’s when the darkies came in.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would you join the army if you're racist? Humiliation ritual?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To shoot brown people? Frick kinda question is that

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          While being surrounded by browner people. Way to go dumbass

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not that anon but I was legally directed to shoot 40mm grenades at Muslims

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ate nothing but MREs for the first 3 months.
      Isn't that kinda illegal?
      >They are intended to be eaten for a maximum of 21 days (the assumption is that logistics units can provide fresh food rations by then),

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I dont think that would be illegal because theres probably situations where you might not be able to get real kitchens and fresh food.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >illegal
        Are you moronic or something? What fricking law would that be exactly?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        in fact it's unconstitutional

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    didn't Jesus invent the wheelbarrow like 6 israelitejillion years ago?

    how come militaries can't into wheelbarrow when hiking in f'n desert? picrel

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >get into combat
      >have to leave your wheelbarrow (with your food) behind
      Great idea, boss.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you need to run and dive for cover, probably. I'd rather lose my next meal than carry it around when bullets are flying.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I'd rather lose my next meal than carry it around when bullets are flying.
          'An army marches on its stomach'.
          - Napoleon

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            a dead homie ain't marching on nothing bro

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              a dead homie ain't marching on nothing bro - Marcus

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                -DeMarcus Aurelliams

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          gunny will yell at you for losing your food tho

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            tell gunny to tell R&D to add self-destruct charges to the rations for when your wheelbarrow gets captured, and to just air drop some more damn wheelbarrows because this isn't the 1800s.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you need to run and dive for cover, probably. I'd rather lose my next meal than carry it around when bullets are flying.

        you could also, you know, put some f'n shields on a wheelbarrow so troops have mobile cover

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's a good idea, but maybe we could add some kind of motor to the wheelbarrow with shields, to make it easier to move with all the stuff. While we're at it, we could have the troops ride on it!
          Congrats moron, you invented a shit version of an IFV

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            but tactical wheelbarrows would fit places that IFVs do not fit, such as through doorways and between boulders and shit. the idea is just to let infantry lug around more bullshit without blowing out their knees.

            adding a small gas engine and making it double as a scooter is probably not a bad idea if infantry is just advancing up a road. like what, marching is somehow superior so the VA gets more patients for arthritis clinical trials?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >but tactical wheelbarrows would fit places that IFVs do not fit, such as through doorways and between boulders and shit. the idea is just to let infantry lug around more bullshit without blowing out their knees.

              If you had to do that the military already used Skedco wheeled stretchers. Two wheels are much better than one because one force you to support the barrow or it falls sideways.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            even in muddy jungles, you can use carts/wheelbarrows with large non-spoked wheels to carry all your 'tarded-ass 400lbs of kit

            climbing on rocky terrain is really the only situation that legs are required between your kit and the ground

            HHC S-4 and the company supply NCO aee supposed to be running trucks between brigade and the patrol bases. Even if there aren't other vehicles (there are) there's supposed to at least be that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What the never-serveds have not told you is that if you get in a fight you drop that fricking bag anyway because it is utterly impossible to fight with it on. And if you have to flee from the fight, you're abandoning the ruck just the same.

        Do I even have to mention that if you get ambushed in a flat fricking desert while you're on foot, there's no fleeing since the enemy can shoot you in the back for a mile? So either way you're staying and fighting for your ruck or the wheelbarrow. The only reason it's not adopted is because it's not tacticool and not universal - can't go into the mountains with that shit, so it's not purchased or acquired for the few times it is extremely useful. Everyone's secretly hoping that the fricking Boston Dynamics robot will come through and do the exact same shit the wheelbarrow does but in the mountains and woods.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I bet wheelbarrows could handle rocky mountains and forests better with some kinda reaper wheel upgrade kit

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I bet you have IQ of a donkey and have never been in the fricking mountains or forests in combat. There's no hiking trail, and if there is, it's mined to hell and back. If you're going up a slope, the wheelbarrow weighs double, and if you're going down a slope, it weighs double too. And by slopes I mean SLOPES, the types where you'd wish they put stairs or better an escalator here. The paths are often extremely thin, and sometimes you even have to cross by rope, that's why mountain troops are always considered elite with extra training. There are roots or stones everywhere that you have to pull the wheelbarrow over, and there are branches everywhere that get stuck on it. Even in the forest there are dips and crevices and hilly areas and depressions. Not even gonna mention sound discipline.

            Like all wheeled vehicles, wheelbarrows are for the road or road-like terrain.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              if you are hiking through some kind of mine-infested jungle, the lead should be some kind of tactical lawnmower/minesweeper vehicle leaving behind something resembling a trail

              if you are hiking up mountains, the lead guys could just lay down big poly sheeting to get wheelbarrows over rocks

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you really think that real life is fricking minecraft fortnite?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >donkey
              Bring back pack-mules, problem solved.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mules are dickheads at the best of times anon, where do you think the phrase "As stubborn as a mule" comes from?
                Also see the points others have raised in relation to horses.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there's a reason why ranchers keep them
                it's to bully coyotes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Skill issue with American soldiers tbh.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Simpson_Kirkpatrick
                >After the landing at Anzac Cove on 25 April 1915, Simpson used donkeys to provide first aid and carry wounded soldiers to the beach, from where they could be evacuated

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >There's no hiking trail, and if there is, it's mined to hell and back.

              why isn't an engineering unit helping out and clearing a path then? Do you really expect you're gonna be all on your own?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                by clearing a path, I mean, clearing the mines

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRO ENGINEERING UNITS
                >Get this, these homies will go where the enemy placed a lot of mines
                >AND THEY'LL TRY TO REMOVE THEM! WOW!
                >What the frick do you mean they're all dead?
                >Oh, the only reliable and safe way to remove the mines is by controlled detonation, especially on foot in the mountains, so the second the enemy started hearing explosions, they just dropped mortars on the trail or waited for them in ambush?
                >Damn that sucks.

                The entire board is spammed to hell and back with Ukraine threads FOR THREE YEARS and yet not a single troglodyte on /k/ has learned anything about warfare, let alone modern one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you really need to be clearing mines in the mountains with stealth, the efficient solution is some kind of special-purpose mini engineering vehicle like

                there are rubberized laminates you can use to make a big sound-dampening shield if you really need a stealth mine-clearing lawnmower

                and winches are also a thing if you need to haul wheelbarrows and poly sheet up a kilometer of boulders or some shit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                LIKE A FRICKING STEALTH QUIET LAWNMOWER ON A FRICKING MOUNTAIN TRAIL! YEAH! THAT'S WHAT WE NEED! FOR THAT SHIT TO GO
                >brrrrrrrrr
                >BOOOM
                >brrrrrrrr
                >BOOOM
                That oughta solve mountain warfare!

                Wait, you didn't know that mine clearing vehicles BLOW UP mines to clear them out? They don't just shove them up the driver's ass?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yooooo Cletus let's start going along this fricking hiking trail, we gotta clear out them mines!
                >Maybe we should just go around it instead?
                >Nah, don't be a puss-ACK!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't clear mines unless you ABSOLUTELY have to use that particular route. Minefields serve two purposes in addition to causing casualties. They canalize enemy forces into using a route that you prefer them, or they significantly delay the enemies rate of advance thus stripping their initiative. It's very dangerous to clear mines, and it wastes time.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Euros, Africans and middle easterners basically didn't use wheelbarrows and carts post Rome because they where shit compared to donkeys, camels and the like over all terrain. You need really good roads to make something like a wheelbarrow worth while. Euros still used head portage until the 1800s, because again wheelbarrows are actually pretty shit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Touch grass my man.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So, light infantry should also carry sandbags in their ruck for portable cover, it's genious.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Worked for thousands of years and will work for thousands more. It's just that in the future, you want have to push or pull them yourself anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What do you think infantrymen do with their backpacks on contact with the enemy?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          well a ruck is different then a backpack or assault pack right? like the one in the OP is like literally all of that mans issued gear shoved into a bag and he's carrying it lol

          but I assume you drop it or even use it as cover/weapon rest especially if there's literally no cover except some shrubs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Infantry carts have been a thing and they are nice. You can put all the extra supplies on the cart, have 1-2 guys pull it and then lighten everyone else's load. Rotate them out periodically or if you can pinch a draft animal from the locals all the better. Infantry carts can go most places the Infantry can and make life easier on everyone. So why aren't they used? Because at some point someone is going to ask why you don't just put a motor on it and then you end up with an M274 "Mechanical Mule" equivalent and then some dumbass will say "why can't we just use a truck" and next thing you know you're back at square one because you can't take a truck all the places an infantry cart can go and it requires a logistics effort that can't always be supported.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think the infantry cart could be greatly upgraded for mountain service by adding a gas-powered winch and a reaper wheel kit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Or electric since the cart could mount some solar panels. This would also be useful for charging AA batteries.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A big part of this is that that cart, or anything with wheels for that matter, require reasonably flat surfaces to negotiate. imagine trying to haul that thing up multiple ridges over roots and rocks, or across a 5 foot deep creek. Theyre good for foot marches, but not for combat patrols

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ideally they should just have man drawn carts/wagons again. The bags in the pic would last a week tops, terrain dependent (such as local water sources or heat and terrain related calorie usage increase). With modern suspension and chassis you can actually carry a lot of weight fairly easily for long distance, like a small wagon pulled by one man could easily handle 200-300lbs without issue, until you hit serious slopes.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's called the problem of the overburdened soldier. Here's a nice article with some data and solutions: https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/overburdened-infantry-soldier/

      One of the solutions is just as said to give them hand drawn wagons again:
      https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2022/07/the-infantry-hand-cart/#Another_Look_at_the_Concept

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    personally dealt with a 80lb ruck, there's just nothing you could reasonably throw away

    >wet/dry uniform
    >sleep system
    >food
    >trash and feces bags
    >7.62 link
    >mission equipment
    >demo
    >weapon maintenence
    >9 quarts of water
    >wet weather gear
    >cold weather boots
    >planning equipment
    >e-tool and anything else you want for your hole

    thats it you're at 80lbs already. get fricked.
    this allows you to live in the field without anything but water and ammo resupply indefinetly

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>9 quarts of water
      militararies really need to into piss-filtering straws for desert ops

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you need to able able to live in the field indefinetly? What was the longest time the average platoon spends in the field outside of training?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The idea is that your troops can be largely unsupported for at least several days at a time. A major part of the weight of your loadout is that most military equipment, from your uniform to the ruck and everything in between is overbuilt. Add to that leadership that is unwilling to accept risk(s), and you get packing lists like:
        >full cold weather sleep system in the middle of summer, in a climate and altitude you won't see drop below 50*F
        So, carry a 9lb, medium duffel bag sized 3 piece sleeping bag and bivy system.
        >weather conditions might call for rain
        >pack your poncho, in addition to your goretex top and bottom.
        >nevermind that you won't be able to wear the goretex suit because you'll be moving too much and heat-cas if you try. You squad leaders also going to yell at you if you try to ruck in your poncho "if it aint taining we aint trainin." Add 6lbs and a shoebox to your gear.
        >in the field for a week
        >leadership will call for a new set of cammies each day, despite the fact you might only change your pants once, when you crawl through a bog on the landnav course.
        Add 15lbs and your main rucks compartment. Don't forget your 1-1/2lb "dry" bag. Don't forget to bring 2pr socks and a pair of skivvies for each day. And cold weather gear, even though it won't be necessary, or allowed to be worn. Add 5lbs and a shopping bags space.
        Plus hygiene eqipment.
        Plus weapons maintenance equipment.
        Personal gear.
        Don't forget your elbow amd knee pads. Daps for your iotv.
        >in the field
        Add specialty equipment. Batteries for the radios. Maybe antennas or other commo gear. Signal jammer. Clearing equipment. Demo. Etool. Flares. Grenades, maps, compass and gps. Batteries (yes, even more). Don't forget shit tickets. Food and mre's (better strip them, might save a half pound apiece on packaging. You need that basic issue angle light that weighs 2lbs rather than that three oz whiz-bang surefire because your PSG said "you better follow that packing list"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You need that basic issue angle light that weighs 2lbs rather than that three oz whiz-bang surefire because your PSG said "you better follow that packing list"

          Yikes. at least they should have put Streamlight Stinger guts in the things (and a better switch).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But then you get reamed out for damaging gov't equipment (even though you bought it) and not following the packing list.

            Wait, instead of carrying a seperate set of fatigues for rain, why don't they just carry a stick of beeswax???

            Because then you have damaged your fatigues, you're out of uniform, you're a walking candlewick, you've altered the IR reflectivity of your fatigues, etc etc.
            The only piece of wet weather gear I was allowed to use in my unit was my poncho, and only as a shelter over my bivy when sleeping in the field. Yes, leadership is moronic.

            I'd still go with high/low boot/sneaker combo, for wider performance envelope. You don't need to swap boots religiously, and most of the time you'll know which is better for a day in advance.

            You don't get to make that choice, sonny, you're not highspeed. Packing lists calls for your intermediate coldweather boots and liners (it's going to be low of 70*).

            >You can wear the same clothes for two months straight
            What happens if they get tore or damaged in anyway are you just going to walk around in BDUs with holes in them
            >Another pair of boots
            What are you supposed to do if they get wet from a storm or crossing a river are you supposed to just change your socks but not your wet boots. What happens if your boots get damaged?
            >Hygiene kit
            It’s not just “ Toothpaste and bandages “ it’s stuff like soap, toilet paper, and deodorant.

            All of this. However, 6 full sets does get to the point of overkill. Your CO aint worried, he's in his hmmmv in the rear. Better not lose any gear fgt.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wait, instead of carrying a seperate set of fatigues for rain, why don't they just carry a stick of beeswax???

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >trash and feces bags
      w-why
      what's the US doctrine on shitting
      it's not "dig a hole and shit in it"?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you're in a surv or hide site you gotta shit in bags and carry it out with you. same if you're living in a vehicle

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > there's just nothing you could reasonably throw away
      > trash and feces bags

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Additional boots are fricking useless.
      Duplicate uniforms are useless, layers, socks and wet weather gear are excellent.
      Other than the e tool, ammo, and water those should NOT weigh more than 10 pounds combined.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Additional boots are fricking useless.
        your feet will fall off

        >Duplicate uniforms are useless
        what is wet/dry uniform plan
        no, you're not supposed to randomly change into clean and dry clothes just to be happy and comfy. you put your wet dirty ones back on for patrolling and put on your dry ones when you are static or sleeping

        > there's just nothing you could reasonably throw away
        > trash and feces bags

        you're carrying it out

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > your feet will fall off
          why? just change your socks and make sure your feet are dry. You don't need extra boots for that - I get Galoshes but extra boots?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            a pair of garmonts weigh 2.5lbs

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > just 2 moar pounds
              and what about the extra space required?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                fill the boots with other items so they actually take up zero space

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > so they actually take up zero space
                impossible thougbeit

                also what happens when STF and you gotta move to a different position?
                > hold on dude, just let me stuff my stockings tetris-style

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >also what happens when STF and you gotta move to a different position?

                you never have more than one item out of your ruck at any given time

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > you never have more than one item out of your ruck at any given time

                how do you manage to do this when a single boot is already filled with a dozen other items? Depending on the ruck you wouldn't even be able to get boots (or other stuff) out of the ruck without removing some other things first

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                reach inside the ruck and feel for the item you need inside the boot? are you moronic

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > implying there is enough space for that
                either you guys have some really stretchy shoes and rucks or you are a LARPer who has never actually done any of those things

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                im just shocked that you think you're the first person to come up with not bringing an extra pair of boots on patrol base ops

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And this, eveyone, is how we end up with a 80 pound combat load.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      uniform
      Meaning you carry a uniform that you keep dry at all the time?
      >>9 quarts of water
      You in a desert or something? 5 liters is quite enough with filtering capability for a day.

      https://i.imgur.com/enMRGc8.jpeg

      didnt some finns(?) adopt something like this? some kinda NATO/potato euros iirc
      and it baisically boiled down to them carrying MORE shit instead of the shit they had previously, placed on the cart.

      >didnt some finns
      not us. Though this is kinda like a summer ahkio. Wouldn't work great in our terrain though.

      >"""""""Light""""" Infantry

      Nothing light about light infantry
      t. recce

      Light infantry doesn't (or rather SHOULDN'T) exist anymore. The advent of the automobile and the helicopter means that infantry should be fighting exclusively as dragoons and leaving most of their shit in the car. However for some reason military leadership INSISTS on loading everything onto the back of a single soldier and exploding their knees.

      >infantry should be fighting exclusively as dragoons
      on helos, yes, but IFVs and APCs are better for infnatry fighting than cars, thusly armored/mechanised infantry is superior.

      https://i.imgur.com/Egu0JU0.jpeg

      Bicycles solve this issue.

      Also, buying lighter weapons that shoot lighter ammo instead of trying to compensate for a lack of mobility (because your troops are overloaded) with a higher power, longer range cartridge.

      Yeah, until your column is spotted with thermals and shelled to shit.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait until you see the new rifle and its ammo...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do you mean wait? We've already seen it. They'll carry less ammo for the same weight

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why not use horses?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Horses is more logistics and specialist knowledge required, they don't just 'live off the land'.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They don't just 'live off the land'
        Oh yes they can

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Tries to compare a nomad culture to a unit of modern soldiers

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just give every squad one of these guys (mammoth donkey)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a big ass.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More than half the shit I was issued was only "necessary" for layout inspections. The only time I needed my full issue was when I was clearing post. It's fricking ridiculous.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. But there is a deep airborne fetish in the military which bleeds into non-airborne having to lug around the same weight of equipment airborne get paratrooped in with.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fix'd

    where's my trillion dollars, DoD?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      didnt some finns(?) adopt something like this? some kinda NATO/potato euros iirc
      and it baisically boiled down to them carrying MORE shit instead of the shit they had previously, placed on the cart.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the center of gravity on that contraption is ALL FRICKED UP

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm gonna try something similar but just 8mm axle on pack frame at rear belt and some off-road skate wheels, and what extension is needed to keep heels from hitting when walking.

        idea is to take weight off except when you really can't wheel.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          just be sure the pack sits over top of the wheels instead of between the wheels and your pelvis, to make the center of gravity less moronic and take weight off your hips

          Do you really think that real life is fricking minecraft fortnite?

          u mad that the weeaboos have more creativity than the f'n pentagon now?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Going on recce in the jungle
            >TURN ON THE FRICKING LAWNMOWER, STEALTH?! WHAT'S THAT?!
            >"Team, stop!"
            >WHAT'S THAT? CAN'T HEAR SHIT OVER THE LAWNMOWER
            >Lawnmower triggers booby trap and everyone fricking dies

            >Going on recce in the mountains
            >Have to carry miles of poly sheeting FLOOR to lay out for the wheelbarrow.
            >Shit weighs a tonne, no less.
            >Place sheeting on a sloped ground
            >It fricking tumbles down to the bottom of the mountain.

            I can't even decide if being a weeaboo caused you to acquire down syndrome, or that the down syndrome caused you to become a weeaboo.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              there are rubberized laminates you can use to make a big sound-dampening shield if you really need a stealth mine-clearing lawnmower

              and winches are also a thing if you need to haul wheelbarrows and poly sheet up a kilometer of boulders or some shit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                OR OR OR OR OR OR OR OR
                You could simply climb with the gear on your back instead of trying to organize a fricking WINCH to pull the weight of everyone's rucks + the wheelbarrow up to your level. Then do it again five seconds later as the path turns and weaves and shit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                how is that militaries that multimillion dollar engineering vehicles that can lay freakin bridges, but can't into basic 1700s technology like wheelbarrows and winches to move their kit around rough terrain

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wheelbarrows are not good for rough terrain. Hence why they weren't popular until like the 18th century in Europe.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is bait. Excellently crafted, but bait nonetheless.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >didnt some finns(?) adopt something like this?
        Sleds, for use in winter with skis yes.
        >and it baisically boiled down to them carrying MORE shit instead of the shit they had previously
        That would be special mission equipment like explosives/mines. Also useful for medi-evac.
        >carry two AT mines
        >ski far behind enemy lines
        >place on random road where the enemy think they are in "safe" territory
        >le ebin troll

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      another solution would be a pneumatically actuated lower-limb exoskeleton with a propane-powered compressor, since we all know batteries are impractical

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Didn't they experiment with exoskeletons already and find that it led to atrophy?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          then just add tactical TENS units for technical leg day

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Related: Every power armor would be able to function as a perfect exercise machine with basic programming. It just needs to exert a little bit of force back on the user, within defined movement arcs. Since it's inherently human-shaped, it can hit nearly any muscle group. An exoskeleton, properly developed and configured, could aid in lifting heavier loads than humanly possible, but also give you a workout by not offloading all the weight.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WTF they need extra pair of boots?
    plus, I've seen youtubes of a grunt showing his pack loadout and its an extra pair of the full super-heavy boots. I like those boots for construction, and even day hikes "for exercise" but they are fricking heavy.

    IMO should be pair of trail joggers. could be used as "boots" in a pinch, but much less weight AND could give you valuable "plan-F" mobility. Like if plan becomes "leave EVERYTHING behind, maxxed speed forced march/jog for 20 miles to extraction" or even "they got the guns, ammo and body armor off some dead guys, what they need is meat bags like you, pronto".

    I get your boots should be given rest if worn for prolonged periods, but The Trail Joggers could do that and keep you still Combat Ready.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Entire job is walking in all weather conditions and terrain
      >wtf they carry extra shoes

      How are you this dumb

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You could've skipped replying to him at all since half of his post suggests that reinforcements should come in naked and loot shit off dead people.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >reinforcements should come in naked and loot shit off dead people.
          happened a few times in 'Nam, sort of. Grunts had to drop all their rucks and even most of their guns and ammo to get to threatened Fire Base that had sent too many grunts out on patrol. Fire Base had extra guns, ammo, etc, just short on meat bags and attack expected soon. Common for US military to have excess gear everywhere, but also overload and immobilize their own infantry.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fleeing back to base on foot, ditching sustainment, because moron commander forgot that oh wait infantry is needed to defend his sorry ass is not the same as sending troops naked on patrol with idea that they'll find gear on dead taliban or dead fellow soldiers, and that gear would not be utterly destroyed by the same effect that killed these guys, it won't be soiled with shit piss blood and organs, and it will even be sized right.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no such thing as an "extra" pair of boots. You alternate your boots on a daily basis, so they're both broken in and so your fricking feet don't rot off.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd still go with high/low boot/sneaker combo, for wider performance envelope. You don't need to swap boots religiously, and most of the time you'll know which is better for a day in advance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"they got the guns, ammo and body armor off some dead guys, what they need is meat bags like you, pronto"
      lolwut
      this is /k/ not PrepHole
      go away kid.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The taliban and vietcong didn’t. Nimble af

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Taliban and Vietcong never went far from where they lived

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet they didn't lose

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok? Irrelevant to the point

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe the point is that loading your guys for 7 days and having them walk for 50 miles isn't the way to go.
            This entire thread is about overloading light infantry as a doctrine.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              talibans and vietcong counted on local support to feed them, that alone greatly remove most of the weight into the bag. any other foreign armies can't do that and only get supplies from MHQ, FOBs or airdrop, if the air supperiority is contested or denied by AA then it's only in bases they can resupply, also depending on the terrain you can't get any ground vehicles with you and if you do you have to remember that the more you load them the more they consume fuel.

              currently the infantry is carrying enough to be able to build a small camp, feed themselves,do field repairs on their weapons and assist the injured while waiting for MEDEVAC which is more than necessary, if you really want to help the infantry in carrying that shit you need to look into mechanical exosqueletton or robots, removing anything from their pack will put the infantry at risk if they can't be assisted by air or ground vehicles

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >talibans and vietcong counted on local support to feed them,
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh_trail

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're one of them dumbass homies that doesn't know the difference between the VC and the NVA

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >type of guy who thinks the VC beat a military and doesn't realize the NVA was a military
                every time. militia larpers are a mental illness.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ALICE packs were peak

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bicycles solve this issue.

    Also, buying lighter weapons that shoot lighter ammo instead of trying to compensate for a lack of mobility (because your troops are overloaded) with a higher power, longer range cartridge.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >send the troops off to butfricknowherekistan
    >but instead of making them carry all that shit, just air drop it
    >not with a plane tbough. no that wouldn't be economical
    >instead, send those b***hes in modified mortar shells
    >mortar tarps, mortar tents, mortar ammo, mortar car parts, mortar food, and frick it, make them bigger and mortar in men while you're at it. just add a lil parachute
    >"sir, we need a tactical meatloaf drop on these coordinates. Oh, and an airstrike over there I guess"
    >logistics and ruined joints solved overnight
    Tell me why it wouldn't work

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sir, let's launch these bits full of gunpowder we call 'ammo' in a mortar shell that itself is sent into the air by a tiny detonation and then flies forth hot as frick.
      >Tell me why it wouldn't work
      It breaks on impact, moron. Autism is a hell of a drug.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Delivering UCP gear to good girls and boys

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >terrain not accessible by vehi...ACK!
    https://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/air-strikes/a-10-takes-out-taliban/4346017715001
    What secret does Taliban posses that Americans (who lost war to Taliban) miss?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if some terrain is accessible by vehicle, then all terrain is accessible by vehicle

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically mules would be a much better option that wathever scifi bullshit boston dynamics is making. But we can't have mules because libtards would complain about animal cruelty, but loading men with that weight is fine tho

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know theyve been working on robo mules to carry things, but why not just buy a ton of regular donkeys to send with people?
    >smart
    >extra eyes and ears
    >doesnt spook easy
    >will bite/kick in an emergency
    >can survive anywhere that isnt the arctic circle
    >not picky about food
    >morale pet
    >is itself an emergency food supply
    >cost sub-$10k, meaning they are semi disposable compared to years of joint therapy and possible surgery

    Can anyone explain why we arent handing out platoon or company donkey assets

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >my feet hurt

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    61724885
    Not even worth a (You)

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine all the long term back pain they're gonna get

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job so The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job so The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job so The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job so The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job so The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job so The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job so The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job so The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job so The grunts don't trust the logs to deliver what they need so the logs get bad and lazy at their job

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Do they actually need all that stuff?
    No it's for fun. The elite players carry weights like a handicap to make it fair for thirdies.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when are they getting basic exo-skeletons? what's the point of this shit aside from superiors wanting to needlessly torture the infantry?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      War is racket, all the brass and generals are in the pocket of big knee replacement surgery.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >carry a week's worth of sustainment supplies
    >get shot 5 minutes into the first real combat you encounter because you can't move faster than a brisk walk without your ankles exploding
    Greatest military on Earth, ladies & gentlemen

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean there is an idealized packing list and they want to go through it to prove you have it or make you pay for losing it. Once you go through the prove you have it, you put all the useless shit in one duffel bag(b) and your 3rd ACU, otherwise your A-bag is everything you really need, ruck is mostly your camping stuff with clothing you can't fit in the A bag, and your other acu you swap out every other day or when it becomes not serviceable according to your chain of command, just do what you can to keep the nice one in the B bag because someone wants to do a photo op towards the end. Then your go bag is your daily thing. If you're working for an extended period you probably want that stuff and once you pass your packing list inspection you're going to want to move it around depending on how often you move around. In my experience B duffel bag you're getting super desperate for access to wash your clothes but mostly has everything you're never going to use and you want to stuff dirty shit in there because it'll be a few months before you can get to wash it, A bag is like you're I'm in a tent or barracks sort of thing, possibly mixed up with your ruck which is mostly camping gear, and your go bag is your intermediate bag you use between your ruck and a bag you throw your hygein bag between the A and Go, and swap out clothes between them and the B bag as they get too dirty. Sometimes you can get a bucket of water and break open a tide pod or something to wash shit but more likely it gets stuffed into the B bag and you replace all your dirty stuff with the nice stuff from there but you want to save one uniform that you basically never use because someone is going to complain that they make you live like a fricking stray dog and it makes them look bad. Also one of your bags is likely to get lost so get prepared to have to replace all of it.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > give soldier more food so he can be self sufficient for some time
    > the added weight means extra calories burned
    > give soldier more food to make up for that
    > even more weight added and thus even more calories required
    how do we fix this?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A human being and other animals are efficient organisms that convert little food into a lot of energy. At certain calories intake it's extremely unlikely to fully expend it in a day. Calorie-dense foods like most MREs and First Strike rations, which are most likely to be eaten during strenous combat activity, are such foods and 2 MREs a day is already ideal calorie intake for an adult male - around 2,600.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, but every piece of equipment a soldier has to carry was added to their kit via a process of lobbying and graft. If a soldier has to carry a mess tin, then that mess tin needs to be manufactured, which means someone makes money. They then spend that money to bribe politicians who then say the soldier needs to carry more shit so the process continues.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Posts made by those who never left their room.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok anons, let's see those based and anti-sadgemag/1st sarn't packing lists.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      15 mre peanut butter pouches
      5 mre strawberry "jelly" pouches
      15 packs of mre crackers
      15 gatorade pouches
      3 pairs of socks
      3 pairs of undies
      compass, glow sticks, matches, lighter, extra sharpie marker, extra notepad, extra batteries, extra ifak, 2 TQs in addition to that extra ifak, medic's shears, wire cutters (either bolt cutters or electrician pliers), large knife (ka-bar ftw), etool, nicotine gum, ibuprofen, bandaids, iodine swabs, alcohol swabs, extra nalgene filled with water, electrical tape, paracord, spare mags

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh right..
        extra hat, face/neck covering, and a spare inline lifestraw filter for camelbak, water purification tabs as a backup, chlorine tabs to clean if needed, cable-based gun cleaning kit, 5.56 and 45acp brushes, clp, 3 shop towels. one for general, one for sanitary, one for gun cleaning

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don’t forget the doxycycline pills. CO said to pop one every day.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just gonna give my two cents blogpost on carried gear in general because I got discharged for my knees exploding on a ruck march and hike and camp constantly before and after my time in
    -MREs as a concept were miraculously entirely misunderstood by nearly every NCO and officer I had, constantly ate them while moving, entrees were the most discarded part since a solid brick of ravioli paste cannot be eaten while powerwalking, we’d live off skittles and cheese topping for weeks
    -constantly made to carry survival gear (bedding, days of food) for like three hour long missions where exfil on foot was totally doable
    -was once made to sit prone and watch an angle with my pack on and not move an inch for over four hours, my legs turned purple and I have large scars on my elbows from slowly sinking into the muddy ass gravel
    -all military issue packs other than ALICE suck ass
    -I have no real points or suggestions here other than the army kinda sucks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Alice is massively overrated IMO. It's a decent pack and there's nothing wrong with it but it's been turned into a cult item due to sovl when a MOLLE ruck is as good or better.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >constantly ate them while moving
      WTF unit were you in that unironically didn't have a chow rotation in your patrol base, this is literally doctrine AND SOP in every unit on the planet that isn't pants on head moronic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Alice is massively overrated IMO. It's a decent pack and there's nothing wrong with it but it's been turned into a cult item due to sovl when a MOLLE ruck is as good or better.

      >ALICE and MOLLE
      I've got a couple of each as a neverserved and so far prefer the ALICE for layout but haven't actually taken the MOLLE 2 out because it needs a frame. I think combined with the army sleep system bag, the MOLLE 2 makes more sense.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You realize that you take all that, setup camp, and then carry only what you need for mission right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think they do know.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >people on /k/ actually knowing what they're talking about
      This. Rucking with a full load sucks ass, but these morons are talking like we're unironically moving to direct contact with rucks on or something.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batteries, spare camies, rations, water, 20kg of Jack rats and 30kg of baby whipes

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's risk management from the highest level.
    >one time a group got stuck and [started running out of ammo], the commander got reprimanded for letting that happen
    Lesson to commanders: everybody needs to carry more ammo or you might get reprimanded.
    >one time ... [batteries were dead], ...
    Lesson to commanders: everybody needs to carry more batteries or you might get reprimanded.
    >one time ... [were cold because they left their sleeping bags at the FOB], ...
    Lesson to commanders: everybody needs to carry their sleeping bag or you might get reprimanded.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we need light infantry for mountain and jungle warfare
    >helo transportation and assaults won't cut it

    But why do you need to have infantry fighting in those dense jungles and dense mountains in the first place?
    Do those jungles/mountains contain something valuable that you need to send infantry?
    Can't you just send some drones instead?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Drones can't hold territory, pull security 24/7, meaningfully defend territory on their own, maintain checkpoints, etc. Drones don't replace anything, but are rather a significant infantry force multiplier or support thing.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Look how light the Ruskies and Ukies fight. Unless we expect the Chinese or Russians to instantly fold to maneuver warfare and air power, it's likely that soldiers are gonna be fighting in positions for extended periods.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, future combat will have drones dropping stuff off periodically. Flying vehicles are cheap and autonomous now.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just hire coolies to carry men's heavy equipment?

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they used powdered water they'd cut weight by like 1/6th.

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