Do suppressor companies actually want unregulated suppressors?

>you bought a suppressor that we didn't charge the manufacturer to sell on our website? That'll be $50 transfer fee.
That's not even to mention how much they charge dealers for the kiosks, which I have no idea. And the fact that cans already have hugely inflated pricing. I can't honestly believe they want to make suppressor ownership unregulated. They have to be making an absolute killing.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Seems Legit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Pay while you wait
      Gee thanks.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      866 numbers are robo-numbers

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm going through the process with these guys. Seems OK. First can is a pain because you have to do the fingerprints and shit, but after that it's a phone call to place an order.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    well it could be they make more as is per item but more total if they could sell many more suppressors for cheaper

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You do realize you can make your own, yes?
    >verification not required

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That's what already exists in France and New Zealand. I assume the suppressor companies there aren't begging the government to step in and make it so that only 1% of all gun owners will buy one?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Not necessarily. Here in eurorpe due to suppressors being deregulated and can be bought by anyone it also meant that most people tend to buy 50 euro suppressors that have like 60% of the performance of a 1k suppressor and just throw it away when it's used up.
      In the US most suppressors cost a lot of money because if you're already going to go thru the hassle of the tax stamps etc, you might just as well buy something nice that will last.
      A high end suppressor company probably wants for things to stay kinda the same so they don't lose their market position.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Theres still import shenanigans, so the handful of local manufacturers can be defacto monopolies. Pic related is Hardy rifle engineering, only decent local manufacturer, $500 kiwibucks is $308 usd

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >company wants people to buy less of their product
    I'm not seeing night vision companies asking for more regulations so I don't think suppressor companies would either

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The night vision and thermal makers are absolutely in cahoots and agree to keep prices high, this is hardly even a secret

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        And? Sneakily agreeing not to compete with each other is a very different thing from wanting regulation preventing people form buying their product.
        Well, unless you're a manchild who shuts down what little brain he has and goes into a massive temper tantrum whenever something keeps him from getting the toy he wants right there and then.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No, they don't. NV is expensive because people using analog NV are a very tiny portion of the overall population. Even if you take into account military orders.
        Thermal can be cheaper because there are a lot of cheap ass hunters who want 420x120 10 fps thermal scopes

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >NV is expensive because people using analog NV are a very tiny portion of the overall population.
          There's also a whopping two places in the US that make light gathering tubes, last I heard. If that hasn't changed, that certainly isn't helping supply.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's clear that TPTB don't want civilians being able to easily access IR or thermal because of how much of a power spike it provides.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What the frick are you talking about? If they actually cared, they would introduce regulations that made it hard or illegal for civilians to buy that shit. Considering anyone can buy quad tube NVG now, if they were going to do that, they would've by now.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Isn't the government restricting what kinds of drones you can get these days?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No. They ask you to register drones that weigh more than 250 grams, but you can buy whatever you want... or make your own. I don't know that I've ever heard of enforcement action against anyone for non registry of a drone.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Only thing is that the FAA requires you to register your drone if it flies high enough that they're worried about you wandering your way into the way of a 747, so when it inevitably does happen, they won't get their ass chewed out by Congress for not forseeing it and trying to stop it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They probably don't but even Chinese made gen 2 tubes are not as cheap as that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't exactly say they are in cahoots, they just know that the primary money they are going to be making is through government contracts and with government contracts you want to milk the government for as much money you can get away with by making the prices as high as humanly possible. Whether it's ethical or not is for people to decide themselves but israeliteing the government out money they would be handing out regardless is honestly fine by me.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >thermal makers are absolutely in cahoot
        They're across the entire world and thermal performance gets cheaper nearly every single year.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >i need to believe everyone is conspiring against me

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >i need to believe nobody is conspiring against me

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure dealers get paid to put in a kiosk, and it cuts time and paperwork to basically nothing for their FFL. Silencer shop has gotten a lot of normal fricks into supressors. I see folks I would've assumed were fudds with them now.

    I work part time as an RSO so I don't know 100% how the whole kiosk thing works.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Man I want a suppressor but they're so expensive

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Only if it makes them more money. No for profit company will give a shit about your rights unless it makes them money.
    All gun companies have always been found out supporting both republican and democrats at the same time.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, Holy shit. Can you imagine how much larger their market would be if nobody had to go through a year long wait, mugshots, fingerprints and an extra humongous tax on their products? A great .22lr can might cost 300 bucks, but there is a 200 dollar additional overhead PLUS a horrific wait.
    Most people just don't bother, and manufacturers get buttfricked because there is a huge additional burden on their product, that could otherwise be reduced cost or increased profit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      A suppressor costed $7 before the tax tamps were introduced. The fact is that the NFA is used as an excuse to make suppressors get marked up more than movie popcorn.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's like 150 in today's money for suppressors that were far easier to manufacture compared to what you can get today from even the cheapest companies that use advanced manufacturing techniques and exotic materials.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >advanced manufacturing techniques and exotic materials.
          Such as?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Inconel, machined and welded titanium, very high temperature coatings, heat treated stainless steels.
            It's a lot trickier to make a machined and welded titanium can than shit out a bunch of aluminum tubes.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Alloys that allow you to not need a heavy thick steel tube body

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Use of much more heat resistant materials like inconel and stellite which did not exist in the 30's. Also new added features like QD attachment.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes they do want them unregulated. More people would own them, and current owners would buy significantly more of them if they were. Companies charge those extra fees silencers are a luxury product with current regulations, so the people who buy them are willing to pay extra. Excepting high end goods where scarcity is the main draw, most businesses prefer selling a cheaper product to more customers.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

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    >costed
    Nice command of the English language, eslBlack person.
    The monetary cost of a suppressor is essentially irrelevant to most suppressor buyers. The highest cost it time. Over the course of my wait for my Banish 46 I've earned something like 30,000 dollars in disposable income. Whether it cost, monetarily, 800 bucks or 1500 bucks is irrelevant compared to the fact that it's a 9 month wait for the fricking thing. That's time unrecoverable and is a huge disincentive to most people because that's anywhere from 500 to 1800 bucks (depending on the suppressor, attachment options, etc) that they could have spent ok anything else that they could have enjoyed over that same time.
    If the wait time was brought to 0 (effectively a 4473 or removed entirely) it would have a bigger impact on suppressor sales than if the 200 dollar tax stamp was revoked.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hahahahaha.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The highest cost it time.
      indeed sir. indeed

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Do suppressor companies actually want unregulated suppressors?
    Yes. The market would easily be 100x larger or more. There is no reason that nearly every single modern gun shouldn't have a suppressor of some kind. You're a fricking moron, you're arguing they care about loss leaders and some margin vs a pie so much fricking larger that they could have their marketshare shrink by 5x and still be making 20 times the money.

    >And the fact that cans already have hugely inflated pricing
    Eh. Cans are all medium to high end, that's different from "inflated pricing". It's still a very competitive market, it's just that artificially there is no low end. But most of those who care about having the absolute best performance still will. Seriously, just look at guns themselves. America have zilch in many states for regulations on plain guns doesn't mean there aren't $2k/3k/5k/8k+ gucci rifles in abundance. It just means there is a low end market too. Same with optics or any other accessory.

    Suppressors would be the same. Even more people would drop $1k+ on fancy cans for their fancy guns. Except now there'd be tens of millions of brand new people who'd pay $100-400 too.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Man I want a suppressor but they're so expensive

      YHM has some for like 400 bucks on sale.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Silencershop would rather just sell you cans off their website directly or they would act like gun.deals and help find the cans youd want assuming they could make cans free from stamp taxes

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If silencershop could go from selling a few thousand cans to a few hundred thousand they would be happy, regardless of price.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Silencershop would rather just sell you cans off their website directly or they would act like gun.deals and help find the cans youd want assuming they could make cans free from stamp taxes
      Yes, also legal compliance is non-trivial. Depending on if a grabber is in the WH or not, making even minor unimportant typos on forms can cause the ATF to come frick with you. Maintaining all the systems is a big PITA, dealing with all the shipping and angry customers etc.

      Yeah SS might lose some small fees, but on the other hand they'd completely cut out all the middlemen and could sell direct like a normal outlet. They could have brand new value adds.

      So while it's true they'd suddenly face more competition they'd also have massive new opportunity.

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