Do people really want the society to collapse so they can justify their spending on "hobbies"?
Do people really want the society to collapse so they can justify their spending on "hobbies"?
Do people really want the society to collapse so they can justify their spending on "hobbies"?
>carry insurance
>this means you *want* to be in an accident
yeah you're fucking retarded dude
Agreed
This, i love having access to hospitals and Internet porn, i just want the luxury or dying last so i can walk the empty streets naked while mag dumping useless infrastructure
>walk the empty streets naked while mag dumping useless infrastructure
instead of
*trying to save as much equipment as possible for later use*
Your not using the transformers and gas risers in my hood. Im shooting them and there's not you can do about it, fucking nerd, what are you going to get the utilities stations and distribution back up and running and maintain said infrastructure with the few people who could afford to prep and whoever is cutthroat enough to survive regardless IF you somehow manage to keep everyone from killing eachother? Your not a hero retard im ruining everything in my path until i reach you and im going to ruin whats left of your asshole after your local welfare recipients find you or die trying
Cope
anon, one of those is actually correct.
>Carrington Event missed by hours the other month
>Russians & Chinese never shelved their first strike desires for betting the nuclear farm
>Jeffery Epstein's friends run your government and banks
This
There'll be an "end of the world" one day, and someone's still going to figure out what to cook for breakfast.
No I just want all urbanite shitlibs to die and the "they only have 72 hours of food in their apartments" factoid seems like a convenient avenue towards this goal
Yeah it's hard to nonchalantly accept
when all of them are like
>I'm a loser now, but when everything gets fucked I'll be a king. YOU'LL SEE! I'LL SHOW ALL OF YOU
not gonna happen, 70 years of preppers wasting money seems all but certain to continue
Where the fuck did you get that from my post
Urbanites are subhuman
You sound poor
I dont know how you can not live in a city in 2023. Everything rural is old and dirty. Everyone dresses like poverty. There are no opportunities for you or your kids economically. Your kids will be forced to socialize with country music followers with 80 iq and multiple generations of unambitious ancestors. Its like the sludge of society that sinks to the bottom of the pond.
Bait
He's kinda right. Rural America is dead as fuck.
There are generally two types of rural properties that I see these days. First is the sprawling estate/retirement property with nice yards, maintained fields, up kept houses and clean animals. Second is the 1970s deteriorating trailer home with junk all over the overgrown property. Not much of an in between
Here in Maryland the counties are 100x better than the cities in terms of housing quality
The unfortunate cope is that the real, downtrodden, peasantish everyman lives in the city and hasn't touched countryside for over 60 years.
Rural living is now for wealthy retirees.
You have to be rich to live rural, there's NO WAY you can afford a home out here living off the shitty wages that get paid here.
>sprawling estate/retirement property with nice yards
The people who own these all commute to an office
>commute to an office
lol no they don't. they all work from home.
Well, 5 years ago they did
>work from home
Sorry, their management is dragging them balls first back
Why? Both can be true. Why I carry and what I want to happen to urban leftists are two separate things that just dovetail nicely.
>This is a really up and coming neighborhood and some nice teens let themselves in to help us unpack bc they didn’t want to wake us.>
I used to read the NYPD web board and they called them “urban pioneers.” It will be great watching them realize they are inside Thunderdome. Gxdan
Are there actually retards who think like this? You're more disconnected from reality than the strawmen you've created to haunt your imaginations.
That’s 90% of the thread yes, they want everyone to suffer with them
Steelefag can we just skip to the part where you shriek about how unfashionable rural people are and post your cringe infographics?
You’ll be hoping for this till the day you die malding
That's retarded, I'm literally a surgeon. I don't prep because I don't need to, and I shoot guns cause they're fun
>I'm literally a surgeon. I don't prep because I don't need to,
Wut?
You can keep a pantry stocked with canned/dry food, water and other supplies easily in pretty much every apartment you know
More than enough for a month, more if you stretch it out with careful rationing
"Can" and "do" are two different things
Yes and they are idiots
Imagine being anti preparedness to the point you wait until the very end , until panic has gripped your city. You go to the store to get supplies for the family, the wife is pregnant with your 3rd, the dogs are waiting patiently at home.
You pull up to the store only to see a line of people waiting to get in. People walking out virtually empty handed. You think "hmmm thats odd, why arent they buying anything".
You finally get inside to see in amazement that the shelves are as bare as OPs pictures. Almost nothing left, well nothing of value.
You eventually head home, completely destroyed, in denial that this cant be happening. "Its literally nothing" the memeflag poster kept saying. How can he be wrong.
After you break the news to the family they begin to resent you for not being open to prepping in the first place. Your wifes boyfriend has been doing it for years and has plenty of supplies, hes offered to take care of your wife and two daughters. You have no choice but to accept, in reality they were going to leave regardless.
Now you are stuck in an empty home with the starving dogs, Its either you or them at this point. They will turn on you eventually too.
All this because you thought the word prepper = schizo. All because you let your pride and ego take control.
Use some common sense. Prepare now for what could be tomorrow. Its best to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Primo scizo ramble
Or i grab my gun, shoot you, and take the shit you wasted time and money to be a big boy prepper. There your entire gay plan ruined by a retard with a gun.
Ill shoot you first. Nobody will amass such a haul and fail to prep a way to protect it retard
You gotta sleep sometime and those generators make a lot of noise so Ill know where to find you. Just because you amassed some shit doesnt mean youll win a firefight, retard. Hell Ill just tell other assholes I find that you have shit and Ill help them take it, there your big gay plan is ruined by a retard again.
>starving because lack of foresight
>kill prepper for ramen noodles and canned beans
>become the prepper
>starving guy with lack of foresight kills you for ramen noodles and canned beans
the cycle repeats
And here it is the
>I’ll just shoot you and be a raider poster
Without fail. Every time. No you won’t and you will be worse off than someone with basic necessities
Take your meds
I want society to collapse so I don't have to go to work anymore
This is pretty honest, and I share your sentiment. I'd rather hustle to survive daily than wageslave myself to death slowly
What's stopping you?
I feel that
I just want to go back to my childhood where people didn't give me shitty looks for dumpsterdiving and saving ceramics and old paintings.
They always did, you were just too stupid to notice as you were a child
digging in the trash has never been socially acceptable. the times didn't change, you just grew up and began feeling shame for your anti-social behavior.
And yet I still saved some nice paintings and such. Also one of my first gaming PCs was literally built from parts I found in dumpsters near colleges and such. Good times.
>t. never worked on a farm
>put on cozy sweats
>grab rifle and chest rig I will never need or use
>sit down in my chair among the rice bags, bean cans, pickled cabbage, and water barrels
>pop in an anime dvd to watch while I inject my estradiol and eat dinner
You'll never know my comfort, OP.
trips of disgust
>man I hate being prepared for disasters! I could have bought so many more funko pops!
Has there been anything that warrants this kind of setup in the US in the last 100 years?
yeah retard why dont you use google and do some reading
fucking idiot
lol name 1 that doesnt warrant just not being a retard and staying at that 1 place during that one time
when i fell down the ladder to my bunker and broke my legs it was helpful
>no cell reception to call EMS
>too fat to climb the ladder with hands
>last meal canned peaches
>die within 20 days because you are a fat fuck and ran though a years supply in 3 weeks
>100 years ago
>every community grew its own food locally
>even fertilizer came from local cows
>now
>cities completely reliant of importing of food by refrigerated trucking
>food deserts mean no butcher, no grocer, nothing but fast food
>even small towns are just supplied by a single Safeway
Yeah, all this seems fine. No way there could ever be a collapse of society.
Anon why do you need to make up shit? The bit about the past is certainly true but the rest of that is nonsense, even fucking New York has butchers and fresh food
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
Educate yourself.
Where have you been the last three years? We literally went through a period of not leaving homes for months. Everyone was saying there's deadly disease in the air and anyone leaving for the supermarket had to decide if he takes the risk regardless if it was true or exaggerated. Guess what? Preppers did not have to make that choice. They could just take the next package of toilet paper off the basement shelf.
Yeah, it was comfy times. Fucking normie-tier preppers ruined it by whining about society being shut down.
I don't think preppeing you whole life just for you to use toilet paper because the stores run out for 1 week is worth it anon
Natural disasters are a thing.
IMO it's perfectly sane to have 4-6 weeks worth of supplies in your home to deal with any short-term emergencies, including food, water, and protection. The problem is some preppers go fucking whackadoodle like they're planning to live in the bush for thirty years.
Societal collapse and/or regime change is a guaranteed eventuality in history, almost all of them were preceded by economic collapse and followed by war. Not being at least minimally prepared is begging to get yourself raided/raped/killed/starved when it does finally topple, more so than those who are at least minimally prepared. Besides that, the US has the most local natural disasters of any country on Earth.
this anon gets it
theres a difference between being prepared and being a schizo toilet paper hoarding prepper
Exactly. Picture the Great Depression but will basically no one being self sustainable. Having a couple weeks or months of preps let’s you weather a storm. It’s not the current world to fallout wastelands overnight. It’s likely not ever to that level. That doesn’t mean economic catastrophe won’t create bare shelves
Yes, its all about bridging the gap in the supply chain. Even just a few years ago covid had the shelves empty across the world. The supply never even stopped
>That doesn’t mean economic catastrophe won’t create bare shelves
I mean, we all witnessed bare shelves for certain goods 3 years ago. If China invades Taiwan, it will cause far worse supply chain disruptions in certain sectors. We've also been in an inflationary environment where I can just eat/use my preps instead of having to buy goods at inflated prices, or make tough tradeoffs in the budget. It's really weird how triggered people get at someone having a deep pantry and having a couple of months worth of whatever stuff you use regularly stashed away.
>It's really weird how triggered people get at someone having a deep pantry
It's a cultural signaling thing, if you have guns or preps you might be one of those maga terrorists
>It's really weird how triggered people get at someone having a deep pantry and having a couple of months worth of whatever stuff you use regularly stashed away.
It's a really strange response. I think they get nervous because you have food and they don't. A primal instinct. Like a wild animal, they see a fresh kill and want it. Thievery would get them in trouble, so they get triggered instead
I think you’re on to something with this. It’s very sane and rational to have a couple weeks or months worth of necessities. When it’s explained to people they can’t argue logically against it so they need some reaction to justify why they aren’t also doing it.
>anon jacking himself off to having a full pantry
Strange flex
not having a full pantry is a weird flex
No anon, this is America, the idea ANYONE doesn’t have a full pantry is comical, remember we’er supposed to be the fat ones
>>anon jacking himself off to having a full pantry
When did I do this? Did I strike a nerve pantrylet?
bro it’s not bragging. It’s like saying you have comprehensive auto coverage.
Yeah well I have a six pack of toilet paper in my bathroom READY TO GO!
Lol yes just double down anon
Double down on what? Be specific. You can point out what you’re referring to can’t you?
On being retarded, I’d say don’t play stupid but kek
Having a couple months of supplies is retarded? Ok then.
Kek you are a pantrylet
If society collapses roving gangs are targeting preppers first.
It's a control fetish. Society collapsing means no more relying on things you don't like.
There's nothing wrong with a little prepping
In fact it's quite healthy
It's only a problem when you get a bit nutty and start dedicating your life to it because you believe stupid conspiracy theories
Actual reasons to prep: Natural disasters, war, famine, another pandemic
Stupid reasons to prep: FEMA death camps, zombies, COVID 5G end of the world scenarios
Prepping is just the cucked wallmart version of being self sufficient.
Imagine being out in the woods with your wooden home with and solar panels just vibing out the end of civilization playing some goldeneye
Nobody who says "just grow your own food" grows their own food because cultivating your own calorie needs out of your own land takes virtually all of your time and effort
Prepping is leveraging the efficiencies of industrial farming while you still can
>because cultivating your own calorie needs out of your own land takes virtually all of your time and effort
This is kind of true. It depends on how many people you're trying to feed. I could survive as a single person at my cabin from what we grow there, but I would find it a lot harder to feed my 5 person family year round sustainably at the current set up.
>Do people really want the society to collapse so they can justify their spending on "hobbies"?
Don't be ridiculous.
It's because I hate Humanity and the world.
>Do people really want the society to collapse
Yes
>so they can justify their spending on "hobbies"?
No
Come back when 18+ child
Hammer meet head
We are heading in disastrous direction, i hope the next civilization will ask themselves 'should we?' instead of 'can we?'
the era of excess does seem to be drawing to a close
You wish
>economy teetering on the edge
>devalued currency
>drug use and crime increasing
>political polarization
>worldwide authoritarian governments
>ww3 via proxy
yep this is what I wish for, retard
You’re entire post is fantasy except that but about ww3
NTA, the devaluing of USD is real and accelerating. Even the dollar stores and dollar menus now start at $2, and a roll of beef is about 50% inflated from 10 years ago. The cause of societal collapse is always preceded by economic inflation and default without corrective downsizing, even back in Roman days. Venezuelan tier living and economic conditions would be considering SHTF and WROL by most Americans.
Yes but the US dollar is also the reserve currency of the world and most of the debt we owe is too ourselves, things may sound scary but unless the rest of the world WANTS to collapse, they’ll keep playing our game
It's a fiat currency not grounded by anything other than speculation, meaning it's a matter of when not if it will collapse. The same thing happened to the Dutch during the Dutch Empire's heyday, almost exactly the same thing the US fed is doing now is what the Dutch did with their currency right before it collapsed, and the Dutch guilder was the reserve currency for its era and after its collapse the country was picked apart by regional rivals.
Anon the world isn’t going to end, stop pretending your hording behavior and paranoia aren’t mental issues
You don't need to prep for the end of the world, what you are really prepping for is an extended period WROL and without access to utilities or supplies. This absolutely happens during local economic collapse and happens in the US during large natural disasters annually.
That is true of literally every single country on planet Earth. All economies today are fiat currencies, including whatever shitty country you are simping for endlessly.
This is unironically the same vein of kvetching that my grandparents did when hamburgers stopped costing a dime
This is the trash that's come to this board to shill for Ukraine
>doesn’t encourage hording behavior and extreme paranoia along with fantasies of the world ending
>having anything to do with Ukraine
> sensical, nuanced opinions, some of which aren't even tangentially related to each other
(These are the people you call retarded)
> blanket kvetching and pearl clutching
(You)
I sure wonder which one of these two things is more likely to be bait
Vatmoron’s transparent doomposting fails and immediately brings up the real issue lmao
Noguns liberal gay
I’m a conservative and you only act tough online because you know you’re pathetic.
>I'm a conservative but DAE love seeing chuds get btfo
I totally believe you gay
Not him, but I also enjoy watching 4chanmorons get BTFO just as much as I enjoy watching weirdo letfies get BTFO.
Not him but i like seeing everyone suffer for the lulz and i only pick on the sacred cows of society which turns out isn't anyone on PrepHole
>The people who complain about posting about Ukraine are the same people who bring it up in every thread.
Why are they like this?
>I spam fucking soijacks on PrepHole, that makes me the good guy
Holy shit dude
Touched a nerve huh?
Not at all, I'm very comfortable with everyone knowning you shills are also soijack spammers
Not him, they are also the chudface spammers while acting like /uhg/ does not exist
Did you make that .jpg and then sit on it for this situation? Why do these "meme"s never have life outside of certain threads.
You know a meme isnt one if its forced hence "the .... cannot meme" meme.
>hence "the .... cannot meme" meme.
what sort of mentally defective reprobate takes solace in creating meme?
Economy has teetered several times, it will recover and you will for some fucking reason complain. Drug use and crime were at an all-time high 40 years ago, society did not collapse. Politicians will be corrupt until the end of time, and law and justice will ebb and flow as it has since our country’s founding. WWIII will not happen and if it did you will almost certainly live to see the end of it in a civilization the same as when it started.
You can thrash and scream all you like, but your continuous bleating that end is near the past decade is growing stale.
They need something to worry over because their lives are too simple, unfortunately it’s hording
>Drug use and crime were at an all-time high 40 years ago
Drug deaths are at their all time high, by an order of magnitude, right now
A self solving issue
>it's not happening and it's not a big deal and it's a good thing and you deserve it
Every time
Anon I’m clearly not answering your pearl clutching seriously
>107,000 dead Americans per year
>pearl clutching
Jerkoff
If they were gays dying of AIDS I’m sure you would feel the same way lol
Jesus fuck are you the same LGBT shill from the other thread?
I'm actually getting over this board, I might come back in a year to see the Everytown For Gun Control general
dead drug addicts a year
Oh no, I will cry a tear!
Those grotesque husks posing as humans to get their next fix should be put out of their misery
Only one way out of addiction and the path is littered with damage to society
Druggies aren't "Americans", they're trash and their deaths leave good citizens more oxygen to enjoy along with our firearms.
I'm sorry Cletus that your kinfolk are being affected so badly by this, but you'll just have to learn to accept the fact that normal people don't care when junkies die.
You country is increasingly Arab.
He's unironically a frog.
I wish my tweaker neighbors would self solve
Meanwhile violent crime is almost half of what it was 30 years ago.
Neither of you have any point in regards to US drug deaths in the 1970s-1990s as they were not Federally accurately tracked and reported on until the late 1990s. Additionally, nobody mentioning "Per capita" shows a noguns tier understanding of statistics.
Please cut/paste the source and label those graphs anon. I personally know the crime tables you are referencing, but observers do not.
Drug deaths don't matter, they're a plus like all dead losers and with no negative impact on anyone intelligent. Ditto homeless trash and other failures.
The world has never been richer or comfier. If you missed out it's specifically because YOU chose to suck.
>Drug deaths are at their all time high
>graph contains accidental overdoses from hospitals and peoples own medications
>accidental and unintentional overdoses
You didn't even bother to read your own source
Where did I say that I want shit to collapse. I have lots to lose if it does. I merely stated that the the era of excess is coming to a close, and listed reasons why it appears so when an anon said >you wish. I know reading comprehension is hard. PS, I'm not even a prepper, lmfao
Anon people have been saying that since 2008
>Economy has teetered several times, it will recover and you will for some fucking reason
The recoveries from the dot com bubble, MBS collapse, and Covid were from money printing. Sorry, quantitative easing. There has never been a time where we’ve had inflation this high with no good counters. You can’t raise rates much higher like in 1980 because our debt is many magnitudes higher than back then. Can’t print more money because that’s what caused this inflation. Can’t let it collapse because what should have happened with the dot com bubble has been kicked down the road multiple times and will be a catastrophe at some point. We’re 50 years into the money printing scheme. There aren’t comparables. A collapse doesn’t mean everything reverts to the stone age but this is impossible to keep up forever. Banking on the “when” being not in my lifetime is a dumb risk to me
Get back to work wagie
storing canned beans and TP doesnt sound like a fun hobby
No, I want society to collapse so all the people who laugh at my obese loserhood will BEG me to rescue them then I'll choose my harem from the most worthy tradcon traps. They will have to eat all the eggs.
In the great rebellion against I shall metamorphose into a Hero. Meanwhile my autism has a focus that doesn't have to deliver actual quality of life improvements or accomplish anything in the now.
You are on PrepHole, what did you expect?
Some days I want society to collapse, but thats more due to the state its in. I'll eat all this canned food eventually anyways, so its not gonna go to waste.
Imagine being a prepperfag, living your entire live your bunker, missing out on everything and nothing happens, no nukes fly, society doesn't collapse and you've spent you're entire live being a schizo sitting in a hole. Sad.
>"Ants are dumb fags," said the grasshopper
I’m sure the y2k and 2012 fanatics thought the same thing
Y2k was awesome because my dad was able to convince my mom we needed a shelter in the backyard. My dad turned it into a man cave and my teenage years were spent playing video games and getting high in the bunker
>muh breakdown will come
>t-this time for sure
enjoy your hole schizo.
people want society to collapse so they can finally come out on top and all the people who dared be more successful than them get eaten by the marauding hordes. its ALWAYS power fantasy.
the only thing worse than doomsday preppers coping about muh zombie preps and muh emps is the bugmen coping about how nuffin bad ever happen
>paper products on the bottom shelf
LARP prepper. You never store goods that are so easily water damaged that low, in case there's a flood of any kind. This dumb moron will be dead within the first month.
There has literally been not one single flood or incident of water damage in my home's basement in over 200 years, not exactly a threat in parts of the world
If you don’t live in a flood zone why would you get a couple inches of water in your basement? If the power is off you can run your sump pump by hand or bail water with a bucket. I’ve done that once during a storm just in case.
rain water ingress, seepage from a crack or hydrostatic pressure, melting snow and ice can't drain properly due to the frost in the ground, etc.
I have seen thousands of flooded basements in my line of work, even a few inches of water can cause tens of thousands in damage.
smash your own dick a hammer if you're such a bad dude
>rain water ingress, seepage from a crack or hydrostatic pressure, melting snow and ice can't drain properly due to the frost in the ground, etc.
And if that isn’t happening normally it won’t all of a sudden happen because the power is out. If you had a well maintained home before it won’t fall apart before your supplies run out
>And if that isn’t happening normally it won’t all of a sudden happen because the power is out. If you had a well maintained home before it won’t fall apart before your supplies run out
This is the dumbest of dumb posts. Foundations fail suddenly all the time. They are all age-related unless they're brand new. Everyone single person whose foundation leaked said to me "we've been here 20/30/40 years and this has never happened!"
Putting easily damaged items down low where they COULD get damaged is antithetical to being prepared. It's not managing an easily avoidable problem/risk.
Enjoy trading FOOD with some randos for toilet paper or a washcloth.
>Foundations fail suddenly all the time. They are all age-related unless they're brand new.
And even more DONT fail. You are skewing your world view because of your work. There are tens of millions of house that are decades old and never had water problems in their basement (or at least enough to accumulate inches throughout). Again, the likelihood it fails AND you need to get into your stockpile AND there is an abnormal amount of rain/snow melt is astronomical.
It's like 50% of all houses out there, but keep coping. It's your own ass (literally) you should be worried about.
>flood happens
>tp gets wet
>free wet wipes and basement bidet
>ass extra clean
I don't see an issue
>doesn't realize flooding often results in sewage backing up from septic/holding tanks and sewer systems
kek
>It's like 50% of all houses out there
Oh bullshit
ok bud
You are seriously saying every other house in America has foundation problems which will cause it to flood? Do you know how absurd that sounds? Dumb question because obviously you don’t.
Just about, yes. You clearly know little to nothing about how a house behaves during its lifespan.
My friends think I'm a prepper but I'm really just a hiker who buys in bulk and rotates food for my kitchen and the trail. I have zero desire for society to collapse, that would be retarded.
Who do you need to justify your hobbies and spending habits to you fucking loser? Get your shit together you fucking jealous hateful feminine man.
I am not looking forward to eating powdered potatoes for years. Even though they are delicious.
>"hobbies"?
Hunh?
Preppers are fucking stupid. Homesteaders are fucking smart. Idiots plan to eat beans, from a can, for the next 20 years. Homesteaders grow their own fresh food and wouldn't even notice an apocalypse if they are doing it right.
Prepping < Homesteading
Cans of beans < Viable been 'seeds"
The homesteader also has no 'wasted preps' as in a basement filled with canned beans that will eventually expire and need to be FIFO cycled. AT MOST you need two years worth of stored food to account for two growing seasons after SHTF. Once you have seed production and food production worked out you can survive indefinitely and even take survivors on to build a strong community. Any discussion of prepping or SHTF that doesn't revolve around growing crops and meat animals is a non starter LARP. Literally all you need is a backpack of seeds, an AR-15, and 300 rounds of 223.
post garden
no
nonsense
I'm technically "retired" and/or NEET status, doesn't apply to me but a valid point.
Warrior in a garden > than a gardener in a war
Never said they were, that's called a "straw man argument" that you've put forward. I'm simply stating a homesteader is > than a prepper. No one of any intelligence would argue someone storing cans of beans is better prepared than a homesteader with farm land,seeds, solar power, and limitless water on site. There is no sane person that can argue stored food is better than growing fresh food in a collapse situation. As I stated any prepping plans past year two that isn't agricultural based is a none starter. You can't survive more than a year or two on canned goods. Growing your own produce and meat is the only option. Everything else is a pointless LARP.
Like I said, A backpack of seeds, a 20" AR-15, and 300 rounds of ammo. I bet that gets me miles further than a basement full of beans.
More cope and retarded responses. Pick one? That doesn't make sense retard. My main prep is the seeds and the gun is for protection and travel. I'm a college educated horticulturist with a fucking seed vault on my back. I'd be literally the most valuable player in the apocalypse. Every group would want me to join them and any who are less than polite get to meet the 20" first hand. You are all proving my point, no one is thinking of the most valuable resource post collapse, food seeds. Nothing else matters if you can't eat retards. An army marches on it's stomach and with enough food any stupid moron can raise an army. PrepHole the most retarded board on all of 4Chins.
>I'm a college educated horticulturist
Lol at least my animal behavior degrees was useful enough to get me a job, that sounds like an awful cope for a shit degree
>I'm a college educated horticulturist with a fucking seed vault on my back
Yeah and post your seeds
One can be a prepper and a homesteader. Also there are many cases in which homesteading would be ruined or impossible for a season, such as in the case of natural disasters destroying your fields and/or house in which case preppers would also be fucked unless you could recover you bugout bag. Another case is war, such as what happened to most people living in what is now the combat zones of ukraine, where people left their houses and fields to survive. Another case is rampant violent looting gangs, in which it might be more feasible to grab your most important supplies and bugout to a better location to start farming in later.
I grew up on a homestead. I don't think very many people realize that this cottage-core bullshit on youtube isn't really how homesteading works. You still need a job to exist. My dad was a heavy equipment mechanic and my ma worked billing at the hospital. You really need an income to support yourself. On a really good year we could grow, hunt, or raise probably about 2/3rds of everything we ate. That was a bumper year, the reality was that most years it was more like half. There was also 6 of us kids all working constantly on shit around the property whenever we weren't in school. Splitting wood, feeding livestock, fixing fence, sowing, watering, weeding, and harvesting the garden, canning, drying and preserving food, etc etc.
I mean, if for some reason (like a societal collapse) my parents suddenly didn't have to go to work and we didn't have to go to school we could probably do more, but we'd still be fucked. We'd just be less fucked than some silicon valley coder who lives in a studio in some high rise with 1500 other people and zero skills outside of his suddenly obsolete career.
Idk, its a very big topic to cover but yeah, homesteading isn't exactly what people think it is. It requires a lot of people putting in a lot of work, and you still need to interface with society to get stuff you need that you can't make yourself.
>hurr you need a job
What part of "off the grid" don't you understand? You don't need to pay for food, water, shelter, or even taxes if you live off the land.
NTA but try tilling and fertilizing even just 3 acres of cropland which will barely cover a single family in the very BEST of circumstances without modern equipment, fuel, or resources and report back.
Oh yeah and I almost forgot irrigation, and defending/patrolling the fields for pests and/or vandals/looters.
We had about 3 acres given over to a vegetable garden and orchard, and about 400 chickens ducks and geese as well as goats and a cow. We were only able to make it work because we had a tractor.
Those require stuff like oil, diesel, a new battery every few years, and replacement parts every so often. If suddenly society collapsed we'd probably be able to farm viabley for about 2 years, assuming diesel that hadn't gone bad could be procured and nothing on the tractor broke.
Also thats assuming perfect weather, zero pests (there are ALWAYS pests) and no mishaps like, say, coyotes getting into the livestock or deer knocking over a fence and mowing down all our shit right after we planted it, the well pump breaking etc etc.
Since a perfect world doesn't exist, I'd give the setup we had about a year to 18 months of relatively normal living.
It’s almost like agriculture used to be hard work and that’s why families used to be large, would work all the time, and death wasn’t that abnormal. Huh wouldnt that be something.
Even pioneers in the 1800s would go into town for supplies, tools, etc
Literally nobody does that. The people in your youtube videos aren't either, they are lying for views. Even the Mennonites can't pull it off. Show me an unemployed homesteader who claims to be fully self reliant, I will reveal them to be somebody living on a hobby farm off of their retirement, inheritance, or trust fund.
The depiction of homesteading as you idolize it isn't real. It hasn't been since the late 1800's. It was made up by grifters trying to exaggerate the conditions they live in for attention.
>You don't need to pay for food, water, shelter, or even taxes if you live off the land.
Lol. Lmao. Post land.
This post reeks of a kid that has no experience doing any of that
>t used to be that kid
>just dox yourself
Fuck off, fed.
Ah scizo, thanks, anon if you think the feds actually wanted to know who you were on PrepHole they’d need you to Dox yourself?
Oh anon. Please tell me more about how you are 100% self sufficient and live off the land while posting on PrepHole at 10PM.
We all know you are full of shit. Why even keep up the lie?
In 36 years I haven't met one single homesteader who was 100% self reliant.
T- Homesteader
>Any discussion of prepping or SHTF that doesn't revolve around growing crops and meat animals is a non starter LARP. Literally all you need is a backpack of seeds, an AR-15, and 300 rounds of 223.
Pick one gay.
And post your AR, ammo, and backpack full of seeds. Mostly that last piece.
How does one buy the land for a homestead, and build the home itself, with solar panels, batteries, barns, garden, etc.... without the money to do so first? Even buying the shittiest plot of land, this would take at least $10K to get this up and running, assume you build the shittiest log cabin yourself. But then how do you pay the property taxes? How do you pay for health insurance? You always still need some form of income. That is how this fucking country gets you. You literally cannot escape capitalism.
Yeah anon this is all a larp, shocker
Did a prepper fuck your crush or something?
Communists will go extinct, and they aren't people.
soxi
I don't really want society to collapse. I just see it as an increasingly distinct possibility and would like to not be caught flat-footed by it.
smart man
If society collapses the Amish, mennonites, and Mormons will outlive the cockroaches.
100% of registered Democrat voters are going to die because not a single one of them knows where food comes from.
Food comes from the uber eats driver anon. Don't be silly.
All three of those groups of people are currently in varying states of decline or forced adaptation to the modern world. My mennonite friends all have smartphones, dodge trucks, and GPS reliant farm equipment.
They all store food, and that’s the most important thing. They all have close knit communities that shun outsiders. None of them have a need for modern technology besides medicine and healthcare but these people are hardy and just make so many kids that famine and disease won’t kill them all.
They are also hardcore pacifists who don't own guns. (maybe mormons do, idk). That just makes them targets of opportunity tbh.
>None of them have a need for modern technology besides medicine and healthcare but these people are hardy and just make so many kids that famine and disease won’t kill them all.
Anon those two things already mean they aren’t “hardy”, but I know I’m talking to no one so I’ll stop here
Amish people are at least. Mennonites feel like Amish light, and Mormons are just a large cult of preppers who live in existing communities and shun government assistance.
We may have pockets of hillbillies who live in the mountains and make their own tobacco and alcohol but they don’t have communities who take care of each other.
>We may have pockets of hillbillies who live in the mountains and make their own tobacco and alcohol but they don’t have communities who take care of each other
Said like a retard who never been in the mountains or actually met the Amish, they’re larpers these days too, there’s an entire community that runs a market near me in Baltimore county and they use cell phones and modern equipment, just dress with no buttons, your fantasy is dead
I work with the Amish in Indiana, you don’t know what you’re talking about. They don’t all do that just some of them.
Well here and in penn don’t, so don’t act like they’re your super preper heros
yeah, I actually periodically work for a community of mennonites. They pay me for tree removal and sometimes I fix their farm equipment. They have a farm but haven't grown anything in years. They have a bigass barn they converted into a furniture and cabinetry production building and just all do that. They set up business deals with smart phones, drive modern vehicles, go to doctors, etc etc. They just wear little house on the prarie outfits while they do it. We even ran into them at a trampoline park once. They invite us to church potlucks and for christmas service and stuff. (my wife and I are both fluent in german and dutch and can actually understand them. Amish and mennonite dutch and german sorta sounds like somebody with a really strong american hillbilly accent speaking swiss german if you are fluent enough to listen to it.)
Even thats a rarity. Like 70% of Mennonites will say "oh, well, my grandparents spoke it, my parents understood it, I don't speak a word." idk wtf people think amish and mennonites are, it certainly isn't self reliant. reclusive maybe? yeah. They're businessmen. They make money doing all sorts of different stuff and don't gotta pay taxes on any of it cuz they are a protected religious group. Thats.... basically it.
It’s just a religious thing and for looks at this point
Its literally marketing. If jebediah and ezikiel show up to deliver your authentic handmade amish dining table in jeans, sneakers, and a T-shirt what was even the point of buying their hilariously overpriced furniture?
(also, fyi, its "hand made" in so far as people are making it and not robots. They have table saws, sanders, power drills, band saw etc etc.) Everybody think Amos and Jeremiah mustve had to tandem-pull a 2 person bow-saw for hours to cut the planks its made out of. nope. Bigass industrial table saw.)
These are the same people who think that farmers are all small families just barely squeaking by instead of employees of megacorporations, some with a variety of interesting degrees.
They're stuck in a reputation built during the years where industrialization was new and you had agrarian rural communities and factory cities in the same nations.
They like the allure of a simpler time, but it's not real anymore.
City slickers, baka. I grew up in the rockies up in Montana. People from the coasts would come out here and be disappointed that we're not all riding horses around, punching trees, and pushing carts full of gold out of holes we've tunneled in the mountains like IRL minecraft.
Spent the last 5 years in the wyo-braska area. Farmers and Ranchers are all corporate nowdays, they make a TON of money. When farmers are complaining about "going broke" what they mean is instead of 1.5 million in revenue they're only making $950,000 and want another round of subsidies from congress.
I thought is was a bit of a silly ego trip of a book, but in "one second after" there was this part where they're all starving and can't figure out why the city folk refugees won't stop pouring into the mountain region they live in and somebody says "because they think we have food." City people think country people are all just growing grain, milking cows, and picking apples all day.
>City slickers
Larp
>grew up in Montana
>city slicker
No one from Montana says shit like this you larping gay. Just stop, no one believes this bullshit you're typing.
everyone who is aggressively shitty towards city people are all from slight-rural towns 25 minutes away from a major downtown area. they think they're rural because they see deer in their backyard. its quite possibly the lamest form of boasting you see on PrepHole.
I technically live in a city and even I see foxes and deer all the time, it’s the lamest boast possible
I live in a neighborhood outside small city limits. I see deer, fox, fats, possum, armadillo, tweakers, tree rats, hawks, owls. Am I cool online yet?
>tweakers
The coolest
people who shit on suburban-rural snobs are the worst, they live maybe 40-60 minutes from a major urban centre and think they're some hardass corn fed country folk but still have next-day Amazon delivery
The greatest irony of these people is they've been the ones driving urban sprawl for the past couple of decades. See Northern Virginia for a classic example.
I have family in n.Virginia and yeah it’s a ton of suburbs, still plenty of pretty forests though
This idea that country folk are all self sufficient is BS anyways. They're usually commuting to a bigger urban area for work, living off of welfare, or retired. Maybe the town has some sort of industry left. Most don't, but maybe there's a mill or something. Other than that, rural life is just modern life. Its not like everybody in a town with a population under 10,000 are all living in the early 1900s growing their own food, weaving textiles, and raising livestock or some shit.
don't forget they all subsist off the same walmart supercenter or ruralking. once the velveta runs out, they will all turn into pumpkins.
People seem to have this idea that rural living in the west is some how like it was 150 years ago when it’s essentially just city living in miniature
Urbanfag cope.
>Haha you can order things online this means you're just like me in NYC!
I've had family in Northern Virginia since the '70s. I am from (Southern) Virginia and have visited the DC area more times than I can count. That shit is all fake. You're always next to highways and strip malls. It's designed to look nice at first glance, but it's urban sprawl. It isn't new at all either. DC has been steadily gobbling up Virginia with such developments for the better part of a century at this point. The same posers kinds of posers who now think they're cool for living in Loudoun County used to live in Arlington. Then everywhere in Arlington became a sea pavement, so they moved a few more miles out and repeated the cycle
Yeah, it’s nice to look at but to call it rural living is a joke
Exactly. These chodesmokers want to pretend to live in the country while still working in the city and getting everything from from a strip mall or delivery, which destroys the countryside they idolize.
It’s just another way people cope to feel better about themselves
The Pacific northwest is just a fuckload of people with remote work jobs from portland and seattle buying up homes in 900 person mountain towns. The entire local economy is basically supported by selling off real-estate as quickly as possible. Mostly by buying a coupke acres of land for $100,000 and putting 8 shitty plywood box cookie cutter style houses on it with just enough trees between them for the people used to seeing concrete and asphalt all day to pretend they are way out in the sticks and not on a shitty subdivision 5 miles outside of Missoula. (Missoula is basically just portland lite at this piint).
Kek, that one thread where a rural Anon pointed out you don't have to live downtown to get food that isn't Wendy's anymore fucking broke you.
So you are gonna tell me there aren't a bunch of barefoot overall clad hillbillies living off of a combination of moonshining and skinning squirrels with their teeth?!
I mean there are, just not as many as there were
Half country/half urban hybrid is peak kino.
>Still have natural areas where you can adventure and have fun as a kid or young adult
>As a full grown adult you can still go for hikes and do stuff like wild foraging.
>And after all of it, you can walk to a 7/11 and get some shitty convenience food or some beers with friends.
The dichotomy of urban vs. country is a false god. We need a hybrid model that promotes small towns with the facets of modern civilization, but also having communities interspaced with natural landscapes. ~5,000 to 20,000 pop towns with forests and bits of farmland between them.
This is most of the Midwest. Technically a lot of it is considered "part of a city" but that "city" would be unrecognizable to your typical urban cuck.
No, I'm an hour away from any medium sized city.
I just really, REALLY hate filthy dumb urbanite scum
>Spent the last 5 years in the wyo-braska area.
What county? As someone with family there I sincerely doubt your story
Ours drive cars but can’t have radios or anything modern like air conditioning in them. It depends, some Mennonites are stereotypical Amish and they can’t have shit. Some Amish are too. They don’t all use walkie talkies and cell phones and drive cars. The Amish people I work with pay me to drive them to work in my van, I make $70 a day to pick a bunch of them up, they work 6 hours, put in like 12 hours worth of work, and then go home to tend their fields in the afternoon. They get paid a lot of money and my employer only hires Amish people because they are hard working.
They have large stores of canned food, they can own guns, they usually hunt in the Winter.
>there’s an entire community that runs a market near me in Baltimore county
>expecting “Amish” in fucking Baltimore
>assuming that’s representative of the rural midwest
Anon…
Baltimore county you shaved ape
>assuming that’s representative of the rural midwest
Still 100% accurate
Anon I’m in the rural Midwest what the fuck more do you want?
Since when is Maryland the rural Midwest? If there is another Baltimore county somewhere, then tell us. Otherwise people default to thinking of Maryland. If I say I live in Madrid you think Spain not a small town in Iowa
Not to mention he's wrong. The vast majority of all of those groups see doctors regularly. Maybe a few very old school amish communities don't go to doctors. Old order amish are a fringe minority even within the amish community. Mennonites, Amish, and Mormons all see doctors, use electricity, smart phones, modern farm equipment, cars and trucks etc etc.
Actually, increasingly such groups are abandoning agriculture as a way of life and are increasingly going into manufacturing of goods to make money since agriculture isn't very profitable.
Also idk why mormons are on that list at all. Aside from the fact their church *SUGGESTS* its members keep 1 year of food on hand, the mormons are just regular people. Actually. Very very few of them actually even store food like that. idk what he thinks mormons even are tbh. They're just your regular fundamentalist christians but they wear silly underwear and have a DLC add on to thier bibles.
I think the Mormons will outlast the others because of their communities. They don’t need government, their church is already set up to govern them. SHTF rolls around, they know what to do. Mormon doctors won’t stop because the paychecks do and they all serve a higher purpose. Church says grow corn, beans, rice, squash, raise animals for consumption, pool resources, it’s going to be a hard winter. The rest of us starve to death.
>T.Mormon
You guys will eat each other apart the moment your life styles are affected
The church gives a directive the people have to follow it. It’s not like they can pack up and leave or be shunned.
It’s the same with Amish and Mennonite communities on a smaller scale.
Fucking cultists
>the most moneygrubbing people since garden gnomes were invented will disregard profit for community
Uh huh. Confirmed for knowing nothing about Mormons except what they put in their pamphlets.
Mormons are nutters so I guess he just grouped them in with dooms day preppers
>varying states of decline
Pretty sure their populations are actually increasing
>or forced adaptation to the modern world
True. However they are much better suited to adapting to living without the modern world than basically everyone else
You can look this up you know
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Order_Mennonite#
> The Wenger Mennonites, the largest horse-and-buggy group, have a growth rate of 3.7 percent a year, which is comparable to the growth rate of Old Order Amish.[33] The Wengers have larger families and a higher retention rate than their car-driving brothers, the Horning Mennonites.[34] In 2005, the average number of children per household was 8.25 among Old Order Mennonites in Indiana.[35] In a sample of 199 people from the Martindale District of the Wenger Mennonites, born between 1953 and 1968, there was a retention rate of 95 percent in 1998.[36]
And this is the restrictive group of Mennonites.
Also
> High fertility rates among his people are part of the demographic shift. There are now more than 251,000 Amish people in the US and Canada, according to Ohio State University researchers, more than double the estimated population in 1989. The Mennonites, who average five or six children per family, have experienced similarly rapid growth.
They have like 8 kids. Why do you think their population is NOT increasing?
>Not preparing for the inevitable Mormon-Amish Civil War
>One side offers three wives
>The other days you can't use technology
Oh gee I wonder who I'm fighting for
Anon that is a fraction of the population that can only have those numbers thanks to modern medicine and nutrition
>someone says their population are declining
>I prove it’s the exact opposite
>reeeee but they are small in total
No shit Sherlock. Are you carrying those goalposts as exercise or just for fun?
the dollar already has collapsed, most people just haven't realized it yet
Imagine the aroma of sitting in your bunker for months with your wife eating only beans and processed prepper meal kits
Even the apes know to stick together
The lone innawoods fucker just dies of starvation
Being a prepper is the biggest cope in this life. You're just turning yourself into a video game stash for the real main character(no its not you) to find.
No, I want society to collapse because I am at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy and I'll have a better chance at ascending if the entire board was flipped.
>man with zero confidence or charisma thinks he will rise to the top just because he fantasizes about gunfights
Yes that’s the joke
This is how African societies have always functioned.
Can't argue with a diverse and beautiful culture like that
every shithole where this happened those people just end up getting killed by the military.
>giant cans
>no way of preserving the contents once they're open
>leading to waste
Having a higher number of smaller cans is far better. Less chance of spoilage if a can is damaged in some way. Botulism is no joke, better to lose 500ML of food than 3L of it from a punctured can.
>all those beans, stewed tomatoes, pineapple and mangos
>and that tiny amount of toilet paper
This guy definitely isn't thinking ahead.
Why does this thread generate so much butthur?
Because seeing people who think they’re gods by hoarding food in the one country that has no shortage of it is funny, and then them trying to defend their hoard by saying America is definitely going to collapse any day now, is even funnier
They all look at me the same way. The way my family did, the way the kids at school did. Like everything I said so weird to them, everything I did was strange, the way I looked was alien. That same look on all of them. They all hated me. Like Im the bad guy, I'm a horrible person, I'm evil. I only gave them what they were asking for, and then they act surprised when they got what they wanted. They want a real reason to hate me instead of trying to satisfy their own bitter insecurities? I gave it to them. They wanted me to be the bad guy? Then theres no point in trying to be the good guy. I just gave them what they always wanted to see in me, and how they always made me feel.
Another certified scizo post
That cat is staring down to the deepest parts of my soul.
I’m breeeeaaaaaking the haaaabit, tonight
Because everybody thinks they are going to be the one who survives and get ego-blasted when everyone else calls them an idiot then gives THEIR stupid reason why they are actually the ones who will survive.
You got two (You)s because Steelefag, an unironic French leftist from /int/, always replies twice to try to samefag when he isn't getting enough (You)s.
jesus christ. at what point would it make more sense to simply stock pile seeds, and fertilizer for a self sustaining garden?
That would imply that the prepper in question has both arable land and enough intelligence for agriculture.
My guess is that most of them don't.
Besides, if SHTF, the land can get easily contaminated.
Not to mention most arable land is only arable because of stuff like irrigation, fertilization, and power equipment. Try growing all those heirloom seeds without water. It doesn't just come out of the ground by itself. There's a very power hungry pump running it thats probably grid tied.
>What is a well
Unironic "our food comes from the grocery store" talk.
I don't want society to collapse, not really. But like most people I think we could do things better and maybe a little shakeup is needed. Total societal collapse is just totally outside of precedent, though. We don't have any examples for anything happening on a scale required for a come the apocalypse scenario. It's more likely and realistic to see a gradual slide into decay which gives rise to revanchism.
I want everything to collapse because it'd be a net positive for the world. I watched people fist fight over toilet paper in grocery stores during covid. Those same people are the human cattle that drive the perpetual motion engine of society that is making everyone's lives so awful. If they die off, the machine grinds to a halt. Maybe whoever's left can live real lives then.
>i saw one example therefore it must represent the entirity of our society.
Bravo
Here, I did the hard work so you didn't have to.
A lot of them, yes. This is why I cap my emergency supplies at one month. I have one month food, water, cooking fuel and emergency toilet supplies. I am not going to stock more than that, because then I will have spent thousands for shit that will likely never be used. Spending say $500 is okay, though.
one months worth is likely all one will need for any realistic scenario
I agree. And honestly, if you find yourself in a situation where you use up a full month of emergency supplies and still need more, the world is likely super fucked and I may just kill myself. I have zero interest in "gutting it out" in a post-apocalyptic world.
No one but retards and psychopaths that want people to suffer do
Most people vastly overestimate their own abilities when it comes to stuff like survival and defense. The reality is most people are just stockpiling a bunch of shit for whoever takes it from them.
> NOT ME! I HAVE A GUN!
Again, its just an overestimation. For atleast minimal security on something the size of a house you need 3 to 4 people on watch. Now they can't be on watch 24/7. Also, survival is a lot more complicated than just sitting around all day waiting for something to happen. Somebody has to plant the garden right? So you need 3 to 4 other people to rotate out. But you can only do 12 on 12 off ON TOP OF doing everything else you need to do to survive so long before exhaustion renders you useless. Realistically a guard rotation on such a building like a home is going to require 9 to 12 combat capable and equipped people rotating on and off watch.
Thats assuming this structure is even defensible against a dedicated assault to begin with. The vast majority of structures people live in aren't.
Being remote isn't going to help you very much either. I don't care how remote you are, YOU were able to get there, so that means others can too. Somebody, probably several somebody's are going to show up eventually.
I don't care how good you think you are, a dozen armed people arriving to take your stuff away means you are going to lose. Coupled with the over-confidence most people have in thier ability to defend themselves is a vast underestimation of just how easy it is to have all your stuff taken. When it happens, and it will eventually happen, it happens fast, and you just aren't going to be able to adequately respond on your own.
What did
Your enter key
Ever do to you?
Steelefag is a local schizo who hates Republicans, urban people, and anyone who owns body armor or more than one can of emergency beans. He types in these long blocks of redditspaced text whenever he stops taking his meds, and if you bully him enough he'll descend into cope about why he doesn't need a gun (he lives in a country where he can't have one) and how in SHTF banditos will just magically kill everyone who did any kind of prep.
"SHTF" likely isn't going to involve waves of raiders trying to murder you for beans. It's more likely to be bad weather, localized civil unrest, or even an economic downturn. If things are so bad that the starving raiders start doing human wave tactics, you are right. The preppers and the raiders will all get killed eventually.
History is full of examples of one armed men defeating twelve. You can't, because you're a gunless gay, but don't project your weakness on the rest of us.
Knock knock
I'd rather stock up on seeds. Few hand farming tools and head to a remote patch of land than just sit in a basement like a dweeb and getting fatter by the minute.
only morons and retards who think they survive in the Apocalypse aka preppers. Maybe they will survive a few weeks in their homes with all that food and water, but that's about it if you don't know how to hunt, grow food, rise animals, protect your shit, patch up a wound or a big cut, etc.
>My dumbass moved to the literal street the george floyd riots happened on for some pussy.
>Pussy started hating me because I have Autism
I may be autistic based on the evidence above, but I'm not retarded enough to not prepare myself to GTFO when these redguards inevitably set the neighborhood on fire again
>bath tissue
I use towels in the bath
No, I just want to [redacted]
>273 replies
>76 posters
Please take your meds.
If my meds involve your violent murder would you be ok with that?
For anyone interested in being prepared for a disaster:
https://www.fema.gov/pdf/areyouready/basic_preparedness.pdf
No I’ll just horde beans and shoot everyone
Who the FUCK eats that much food in one sitting?
Those cans are enormous and i refuse to believe this guy has a family
I want society to collapse because not a single politician has been killed over the patriot act, we have failed to the point we need to start over.
new thread for this enticing discussion/argument thread
No I want the society to collapse so I can kill people with impunity.