Do Paratroopers still have a role in modern warn?

I don't mean small team drops/special forces but Brigade size or more drops.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just watch high level starcraft

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're P good in WARNO, tbh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they can't jump out of planes in WARNO so frick that, wake me up when they actually do jump.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, AB are just "show up to the battle 30 seconds early". That 30 seconds can win you the fricking game, though.
        Also if you use helicopters to rush points at game-start I WILL shoot you down with my airborne AA units.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they can't jump out of planes in WARNO so frick that, wake me up when they actually do jump.

          This reminds me, Broken Arrow, the most promising competitor to WARNO, has actual airborne troops.
          You select a transport that has a weight limit, each unit has a certain weight and you can mix and match anything that fits the weight limit.
          Pick up a Bradley full of Marines with a Chinook and drop it behind enemy lines or fill a C-17 Globemaster with 12 infantry units and take over a whole city block.
          I am unbelievably hype for that game.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            BA > WARNO
            Eugen should've just made a better Wargame instead of merging SD and WG.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          still dumb, i want to see them drop out of the plane

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they drop more often out of planes than other units but being paratrooper is not extremely special as it used to be, other than that yes they are still usefull

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Still pretty ballsy to drop in behind enemy lines

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    next gen will be in these
    wwsd rifles
    water only landing

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With the sort of movements going on in the ukraine war war I've realized that you don't need to drop them *behind* lines to have an effect (nearly all criticism I see is towards this idea), just having a brigade sized unit that can rapidly deploy behind lines in a few hours allows you to mass for attacks and for defense.

    Also, I really don't think it's unfeasible with heavy SEAD and airpower to clear a corridor for C-130s/C-17s flying at low level. It'd be a heroic effort, but that's what the USAF is for.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can get that same level of strategic mobility far easier with infantry in wheeled APCs ala Stryker brigade combat teams.

      In a near peer war, you need a metric frickton of support to get anything done, and elite light infantry with minimal support are wasted in that environment. There's a reason why everyone in Ukraine is using their airborne troops as regular (high quality) foot sloggers and attaching a bunch of conventional assets i.e. tanks and artillery.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can get that same level of strategic mobility far easier with infantry in wheeled APCs ala Stryker brigade combat teams

        Not him but that's decidedly untrue. Strategic mobility means that you can quickly move a unit from out-of-theater to in-theater. And no matter how you spin, it's always gonna be cheaper and faster to move a bunch of light infantry and their trucks overseas than heavy equipment and everything else you need to support it.

        Medium infantry like you described has superior Operational mobility and tactical mobility because it's faster and safer to move them within theater and in a fight.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no its a dead concept, thats why nobody does any large scale combat drops since WW2.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bong here... I believe the last time a UK, non SF, soldier made a combat parachute drop was during the Falklands War after H Jones copped it and 2 PARA needed a new CO. I think the septics did a couple of relatively uncontested drops by regular formations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    As a means for deploying large scale formations it was hit and miss during WWII and pretty much a mess after D-Day. As a means of fostering 'espirit de corps' and building 'elite' light infantry units the concept is still worthwhile IMHO.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Short answer no

    Long answer, not yet. Paratroopers have had a unique relationship with strategic tempo and scale since militaries first started using them. The risk posed to the entire formation necessitates their use only when the complete loss of an airborne unit is an acceptable risk for an operation. In a hypothetical world war 3, paratroopers would be an invaluable asset. Quick to mass for attacks, shore up weak spots, destabilize the enemy rear or prepare land for the main offensive forces. All of these situations assume relatively intense division or even army group scale combat, something that hasn't materialized in the right way to happen in Ukraine, not that either side possesses the capacity to do airborne operations. An enormous amount of preparation needs to occur before it becomes a capability. The war needs to be enormous and quite dynamic before paratroopers becomes a value proposition. 9 times out of 10 they're just expensive infantry, but the 10th case where you really get infinite mischief is why many countries maintain an airdrop capability

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good post. Airborne infantry is absolutely one of those things that you don't need until you do, and they're still light infantry so you don't have to use them as paratroopers to get a use out of them. You're just paying for extra training in peacetime to have an extra capability during wartime.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >infinite mischief
      Cultured reference, I like you

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lawn darts are moronic. Geneva doesn't protect them and infantry won't give a frick anyway. Makes no sense to drop out of a plane in modern warfare.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Geneva doesn't protect them

      The Geneva Convention protects paratroopers in all the same ways it protects regular infantrymen. There's no distinction between the two.
      >b-but you can shoot at falling paratroopers!
      Yeah, no shit. Just like you can strafe APCs and torpedo troop ships. Unlike a downed pilot, a falling paratrooper is still 100% combat effective.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Would it be more, or less wise to bar pilots from carrying weapons do you think?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Right, say you need to take and hold ground. Would you rather do it in
      >An aluminum-skinned tub that offers marginal protection against small arms fire, let alone the dedicated AA arms that can target it and its contents and turn them inside out
      >The ground, full of cover and concealment

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes they are invaluable as rapid response forces

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  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Static line jumps will likely become far less common but I don't think it's easy telling how things will change for standard paratroopers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't think it's easy telling how things will change for standard paratroopers

      Nothing really has to change for them. Real life isn't an RTS where just because a unit is airborne means they have to be used that way. When the 82nd doesn't drop, they just go in on trucks and on foot like everybody else.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sure. Use them to capture/sabotage airfields to the enemy's short-range wings from tearing up your force, and don't forget to relieve them by breaking through the front with your mechanized.
    Anyone who says helicopter gunships can do their job has never read how many of those things were exploded in 'Nam.

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