Probably. I'd say that Varusteleka alone is responsible for a sizable portion of Russian mobiks being poorly equipped. But the image is kind of blaming the wrong people, isn't it? Retailers don't go to Russian depots and steal the kit, after all. At the end of the day it's just good old Russian corruption.
A friend of mine works for them. He wasn't there when most of it happened, but the management guys have talked about it. They sold and were offered sooo much Russian shit in the 2010s, including nods, IFAKs etc. Being a bunch of naive Finns they really thought at the time that that stuff was legit surplus and the Russians were moving on to the next thing.
Turns out...
>Being a bunch of naive Finns they really thought at the time that that stuff was legit surplus and the Russians were moving on to the next thing.
Bullshit.
They knew exactly what was happening. They knew russian officers were stealing from the arsenal and pocketing the money to buy that extension to their dacha. It's business as usual in Russia, and is considered a job perk for higher-ups.
Finns just wanted the gear, and didn't give a fuck about russian corruption. Hey, it just meant that there would be less usable material for russkies to use, if they went apeshit.
>Being a bunch of naive Finns they really thought at the time that that stuff was legit surplus and the Russians were moving on to the next thing.
I seriously doubt Varusteleka would give a shit if the gear they buy is surplus or "surplus".
I am accusing you of traveling to russia and sleeping with russian soldiers, just to steal their gear in the middle of the night and post it for sale on ebay for ridiculous markup so a sweaty collector can wear it in his dad's moms' husbands basement
>Wolf steel cased ammo kneecapped Russian infantry by depriving them of ammo
Imagine if Americans had non demiled 2A46s and 152mm guns... >Russia is brought to their knees by the gun coomsumer base
>Did this really happen?
Yes. Where do you think people like Frontowiec.com gets their gear?
You think all those titanium helmets, brand new Ratnik stuff, and other gear they sold over they years - they got them through regular channels?
I mean, fuck - yeah. In Russia buying military equipment from corrupted officers is regular channels.
And that's just stuff on the shelf. Trust me when I say it, you guys in the USA get the scraps, overpriced as hell, too.
You have no idea what you can buy from people who have contacts in the east. Not weapons off course, but pretty much anything else. One guy wanted to sell me a brand new military UAZ-452.
We make fun of them but they are actually pretty decent robust vehicles.
I would have bought it but the price was insane, a lot more than a brand new VW T4 back then.
And that's just tip of the mountain.
Russia is a mafia state, the secret service has merged with organized crime, they are one and have been for decades.
We can only imagine the amount of really cool shit being sold all over the world.
Pay people shit money -> Have every facet of society out for themselves -> Give them expensive equipment -> Watch equipment get sold on black market for money
Anon, this is not complicated stuff. Even good militaries have multiple ways they audit equipment and multiple verification processes to prevent fraud/theft. I'm honestly surprised it isn't worse.
>I'm honestly surprised it isn't worse.
When I lived in UK and met some vets, played some milsim games with them, many of them had NVGs who "fell" of the truck.
I have a feeling to some extend it is accepted, at least in the SF comuunity.
>where have they gone? >they were here now they are not >I don't understand
The fact he can't even say "they were stolen and sold by corrupt officials" shows Russia isn't going to be fixing their corruption any time soon.
When everything is so corrupt you can't even say "some people are corrupt" without painting a target on your back it gets really hard to fix anything.
At that point I think the only realistic option is a benevolent dictator who has a big enough inner circle on side that no one is willing to bump them off. >russia >benevolent dictator
I know
It's not really so much that he outright cannot but the russian culture normalized making complaints or critique in walkaround ways so much that even when they can say it straight they self-censor their speech to sound witty or polite.
russian school education and literature encourages wordiness which doesn't help either.
A friend of mine runs a military surplus shop in France, he told me how the "importation" of Russian gear works
Firstly, the equivalent of a supply specialist sells gear in bulk to a distributor, who ship it to Belarus by train, then to Poland and Germany by truck. The buyers buy directly from the truck's trailer which is laid out as a "shop". After all that it is in the surplus shops to get bought by airsofters and LARPers
>You could just buy it straight from russia on ebay a few years back.
No, because they would fuck you over every time. You literally have to do hand to hand business with them or they will rob you.
Than you ware lucky. Maybe they try better on Ebay because opinions there matter.
I know people who had to go there every time and pay by hand other wise the seller kept making "problems".
I have so much Russian shit I've bought over the years. It has been hilarious seeing all those mobiks with no gear, no weapons, no food. I look over at my pile of clothes, gear, the AKs on my wall, ect. and it fills me with a warm joy knowing how miserable those shitheads are over there right now. I even have an OKP-77 that was likely stolen from some police unit, as the girl who sold it and shipped it to me told me her husband was a police officer in Russia. So many keks.
Probably. I'd say that Varusteleka alone is responsible for a sizable portion of Russian mobiks being poorly equipped. But the image is kind of blaming the wrong people, isn't it? Retailers don't go to Russian depots and steal the kit, after all. At the end of the day it's just good old Russian corruption.
This
A friend of mine works for them. He wasn't there when most of it happened, but the management guys have talked about it. They sold and were offered sooo much Russian shit in the 2010s, including nods, IFAKs etc. Being a bunch of naive Finns they really thought at the time that that stuff was legit surplus and the Russians were moving on to the next thing.
Turns out...
>Being a bunch of naive Finns they really thought at the time that that stuff was legit surplus and the Russians were moving on to the next thing.
Bullshit.
They knew exactly what was happening. They knew russian officers were stealing from the arsenal and pocketing the money to buy that extension to their dacha. It's business as usual in Russia, and is considered a job perk for higher-ups.
Finns just wanted the gear, and didn't give a fuck about russian corruption. Hey, it just meant that there would be less usable material for russkies to use, if they went apeshit.
>Being a bunch of naive Finns they really thought at the time that that stuff was legit surplus and the Russians were moving on to the next thing.
I seriously doubt Varusteleka would give a shit if the gear they buy is surplus or "surplus".
You shut the hell up
Praporshchik Spizdayev is a hero of the Ukrainian nation
Unironically yes. Western airsofters simply had more money to spend on ratnik than everyone down the supply Russian supply chain
Are you accusing me of buying Russian equipment so I could profit off flipping it after sanctions?
I am accusing you of traveling to russia and sleeping with russian soldiers, just to steal their gear in the middle of the night and post it for sale on ebay for ridiculous markup so a sweaty collector can wear it in his dad's moms' husbands basement
I just bought from ivantactical
A tale as old as time.
We got the gear but they got all the ammo
Sad world
>feds suddenly realize without the ammo and arms bans the US placed on Russia the war would already be over since they'd have no guns or ammo
>Wolf steel cased ammo kneecapped Russian infantry by depriving them of ammo
Imagine if Americans had non demiled 2A46s and 152mm guns...
>Russia is brought to their knees by the gun coomsumer base
>Did this really happen?
Yes. Where do you think people like Frontowiec.com gets their gear?
You think all those titanium helmets, brand new Ratnik stuff, and other gear they sold over they years - they got them through regular channels?
I mean, fuck - yeah. In Russia buying military equipment from corrupted officers is regular channels.
And that's just stuff on the shelf. Trust me when I say it, you guys in the USA get the scraps, overpriced as hell, too.
You have no idea what you can buy from people who have contacts in the east. Not weapons off course, but pretty much anything else. One guy wanted to sell me a brand new military UAZ-452.
We make fun of them but they are actually pretty decent robust vehicles.
I would have bought it but the price was insane, a lot more than a brand new VW T4 back then.
And that's just tip of the mountain.
Russia is a mafia state, the secret service has merged with organized crime, they are one and have been for decades.
We can only imagine the amount of really cool shit being sold all over the world.
Pay people shit money -> Have every facet of society out for themselves -> Give them expensive equipment -> Watch equipment get sold on black market for money
Anon, this is not complicated stuff. Even good militaries have multiple ways they audit equipment and multiple verification processes to prevent fraud/theft. I'm honestly surprised it isn't worse.
>I'm honestly surprised it isn't worse.
When I lived in UK and met some vets, played some milsim games with them, many of them had NVGs who "fell" of the truck.
I have a feeling to some extend it is accepted, at least in the SF comuunity.
You tell me OP.
>where have they gone?
>they were here now they are not
>I don't understand
The fact he can't even say "they were stolen and sold by corrupt officials" shows Russia isn't going to be fixing their corruption any time soon.
When everything is so corrupt you can't even say "some people are corrupt" without painting a target on your back it gets really hard to fix anything.
At that point I think the only realistic option is a benevolent dictator who has a big enough inner circle on side that no one is willing to bump them off.
>russia
>benevolent dictator
I know
It's not really so much that he outright cannot but the russian culture normalized making complaints or critique in walkaround ways so much that even when they can say it straight they self-censor their speech to sound witty or polite.
russian school education and literature encourages wordiness which doesn't help either.
Ratnik was brand fucking new and available here for almost nothing.
Yeah
A friend of mine runs a military surplus shop in France, he told me how the "importation" of Russian gear works
Firstly, the equivalent of a supply specialist sells gear in bulk to a distributor, who ship it to Belarus by train, then to Poland and Germany by truck. The buyers buy directly from the truck's trailer which is laid out as a "shop". After all that it is in the surplus shops to get bought by airsofters and LARPers
You could just buy it straight from russia on ebay a few years back.
>You could just buy it straight from russia on ebay a few years back.
No, because they would fuck you over every time. You literally have to do hand to hand business with them or they will rob you.
I've bought gear straight from russia no problem.
Than you ware lucky. Maybe they try better on Ebay because opinions there matter.
I know people who had to go there every time and pay by hand other wise the seller kept making "problems".
Where do you think all the slavaboo larpers over at /akg/ got their kit and accessories?
I have so much Russian shit I've bought over the years. It has been hilarious seeing all those mobiks with no gear, no weapons, no food. I look over at my pile of clothes, gear, the AKs on my wall, ect. and it fills me with a warm joy knowing how miserable those shitheads are over there right now. I even have an OKP-77 that was likely stolen from some police unit, as the girl who sold it and shipped it to me told me her husband was a police officer in Russia. So many keks.
>the AKs on my wall,
Yeah, nice try, now fuck off noguns.
Anon. I literally have gun racks on my walls. You can buy them. You know that, right?
Yup. I've got Russian optics. Most Russian soldiers don't.