Did the Xm-25 ever take off?

Did the Xm-25 ever take off?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No. It's heavy and doesn't bring as much utility as a lot of shoulder launchers.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      dedicated grenadier role is extremely effective but

      https://i.imgur.com/gIVekQq.jpg

      It was briefly field tested in Afghanistan, but after a major malfunction led to a detonation injuring a soldier the project was cancelled.

      yeah project was cursed/fricked

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Seems like it'd be a great choice for cav units, or units otherwise primarily operating out of vehicles. You could still keep a rifle as a personal defense weapon, but have something like the XM-25 close at hand for the squad or platoon to draw upon as needed.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          no got way bigger guns on vehicles or you can just frick off and let artillery deal with it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It does still offer a good deal of flexibility if you need to dismount and engage, but you aren't married to it if you can afford to just sit back and let heavy weapons and arty do it's thing.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It was briefly field tested in Afghanistan, but after a major malfunction led to a detonation injuring a soldier the project was cancelled.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >still repeating this bullshit
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE
      >In 2017 Orbital ATK filed suit via the U.S. District court in the district of Minnesota against Heckler and Koch for damages of over US$27 million, claiming failure to deliver 20 XM25 prototype units. The filing also requested Transfer of Intellectual Property to allow Orbital ATK to contract another vendor for production of the system. The complaint stated that Heckler and Koch had wished legal clarification regarding potential violations of the Saint Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which bans "any projectile of a weight below 400 grams" containing explosives. After consultation Heckler and Koch had stipulated that the US Government issue a special certification regarding use of the weapons system. The US Government did not issue such and negotiations broke down.[29][30] In April 2017, the Army cancelled its contract with Orbital ATK after they failed to deliver 20 weapons as specified by the terms, putting the operational future of the XM25 in jeopardy.[9]
      >On 24 July 2018, the Army signed a memorandum officially terminating the program, after settling the lawsuit with Orbital ATK that gave the military intellectual property rights to the weapons and ammunition.[10]

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        thats called "cancelling a project," anon. they always end up in minor legal battles and defunding.

        https://i.imgur.com/B7xEgzy.jpg

        >make incredible advanced grenade launcher with airburst capability
        >reported to quickly end engagements, impressive performance
        >rounds have little plastic caps on the front of them
        >operators are specifically told to not take off the plastic caps
        >11B takes off the front cap
        >XM25 explodes and takes off a dudes hand
        >project canceled

        [...]
        See: [...]
        The problem with double feeds causing the gun to explode if you removed the plastic caps from the ammo was already solved by simply having the primers set into the cases slightly at the time it got canceled.

        the grenade system itself was a great success, too. even an explosive failure didn't detonate the warheads.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >thats called "cancelling a project," anon. they always end up in minor legal battles and defunding.
          So you didn't actually read what I posted? The project got wiener blocked by some obscure treaty from the 1800s.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            anon, that was a pretense to hold and then the holding turned into a cancelling and legal action. if they wanted it to go it would go.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >still not reading what I posted

              >The project got wiener blocked by some obscure treaty from the 1800s.
              not that anon but a treaty that only mattered between signatories and the US was not a part of, nevermind whatever the frick is up with how modern Germany is legally held to that document given it's charged legal form several times since.

              >not that anon but a treaty that only mattered between signatories and the US was not a part of
              Germany was however, and the XM25 was being developed by HK with the optic being developed by ATK in the US.

              The line
              >Heckler and Koch had wished legal clarification regarding
              should be read as:
              >Heckler and Koch asked if they were going to be paid for working more
              and the answer was silence.

              >doubling down because you can't handle being wrong
              The case of the gun exploding happened in 2013, was quickly fixed, and development continued with more testing in 2016.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                idk about the malfunction thing that seems fine, it was flat out cancelled instead of having make-believe legal problems though.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany was however
                the Federal Republic of Germany did not exist in 1868

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The project got wiener blocked by some obscure treaty from the 1800s.
            not that anon but a treaty that only mattered between signatories and the US was not a part of, nevermind whatever the frick is up with how modern Germany is legally held to that document given it's charged legal form several times since.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The line
            >Heckler and Koch had wished legal clarification regarding
            should be read as:
            >Heckler and Koch asked if they were going to be paid for working more
            and the answer was silence.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Almost all 40mm projectiles are over 400g
        >This doesn't stop HK from selling grenade launchers
        Interesting.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It reads "any projectile of a weight below 400 grams," anon. Below, not above.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >make incredible advanced grenade launcher with airburst capability
      >reported to quickly end engagements, impressive performance
      >rounds have little plastic caps on the front of them
      >operators are specifically told to not take off the plastic caps
      >11B takes off the front cap
      >XM25 explodes and takes off a dudes hand
      >project canceled

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The grenades were too small, and the range too limited to justify further development. The accident was just the icing on the cake. The current direction is rightly shifting toward man-portable smart bombs either fired from mortars or single-use launchers.

        See:

        >still repeating this bullshit
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE
        >In 2017 Orbital ATK filed suit via the U.S. District court in the district of Minnesota against Heckler and Koch for damages of over US$27 million, claiming failure to deliver 20 XM25 prototype units. The filing also requested Transfer of Intellectual Property to allow Orbital ATK to contract another vendor for production of the system. The complaint stated that Heckler and Koch had wished legal clarification regarding potential violations of the Saint Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which bans "any projectile of a weight below 400 grams" containing explosives. After consultation Heckler and Koch had stipulated that the US Government issue a special certification regarding use of the weapons system. The US Government did not issue such and negotiations broke down.[29][30] In April 2017, the Army cancelled its contract with Orbital ATK after they failed to deliver 20 weapons as specified by the terms, putting the operational future of the XM25 in jeopardy.[9]
        >On 24 July 2018, the Army signed a memorandum officially terminating the program, after settling the lawsuit with Orbital ATK that gave the military intellectual property rights to the weapons and ammunition.[10]

        The problem with double feeds causing the gun to explode if you removed the plastic caps from the ammo was already solved by simply having the primers set into the cases slightly at the time it got canceled.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/gIVekQq.jpg

        It was briefly field tested in Afghanistan, but after a major malfunction led to a detonation injuring a soldier the project was cancelled.

        thats called "cancelling a project," anon. they always end up in minor legal battles and defunding.

        [...]
        [...]
        the grenade system itself was a great success, too. even an explosive failure didn't detonate the warheads.

        >major malfunction
        >XM25 explodes and takes off a dudes hand
        It didn't even do that. Minor injuries only.
        The accident wasn't why they cancelled it - the project trucked on for 5 more years. They cancelled it because they didn't want to fund it and so SASC engineered the contract issue and intentionally burned bridges despite the Army wanting to keep the program.
        And guess what? The Army still wants it. They put out an RFI for the Precision Grenadier System in 2020 and it went through the CGAB mid last year. The PGS' system requirements are almost exactly "give us XM-25 but this time with the option for an anti-drone round"

        [...]
        It's called the Precision Grenadier System and the solicitation basically reads like the XM25 description with the name taken out.

        The Army has been on a roll with purchasing new systems and this is the era of rearmament, so we'll see what happens.

        >It's called the Precision Grenadier System and the solicitation basically reads like the XM25 description with the name taken out.
        Don't forget they added the Counter UAS round and loosened some of the requirements compared to what the XM-25 could do.

        [...]
        do you really need airburst if you have smarty scopes that can adjust for volley fire properly?

        Ballistic solutions for volley fire into a defilade are very very limited if you can't control velocity. The classic is the guy under an opening in a large, roofed room. You can't hit him with plunging fire due to the roof, and firing horizontally will send the rounds past him.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Counter UAS?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            unmanned aerial something

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Unmitigated Anal Seepage

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        dedicated grenadier role is extremely effective but
        [...]
        yeah project was cursed/fricked

        https://i.imgur.com/tVrsEOI.png

        it certainly took off a few hands

        Bahahaha
        when did the military ever care about some grunt getting fragged?

        BS, they did not cancel the project

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The grenades were too small, and the range too limited to justify further development. The accident was just the icing on the cake. The current direction is rightly shifting toward man-portable smart bombs either fired from mortars or single-use launchers.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think you're right, the programmable ammo aspect is gonna get more mileage when married to vehicle mounted weapons since it solves the weight and built issue

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but after disappointment in meme cartridge. The smart grenade launcher is a very cool concept for now after electronic and computer vision technologies matured enough.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Did the cancelled project ever take off?
    we sure get some real geniuses on this board.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Of course. Don't you see them all over the place in the modern battlefield?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I unironically expect we'll see some new version of the XM-25, or at least a project that basically is just the XM-25 in the next 3-5 years. The scope on the top of the weapon could be made 1/10th the size nowadays, and probably far better. The rest of the weapon could also probably be made lighter, smaller, cheaper if someone other than HK was in charge.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the ngsw scope system could probably be adapted to it with a software update, that shit's all modular.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/UmHs4gH.png

      Did the Xm-25 ever take off?

      It's called the Precision Grenadier System and the solicitation basically reads like the XM25 description with the name taken out.

      The Army has been on a roll with purchasing new systems and this is the era of rearmament, so we'll see what happens.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, it really only makes sense to design this sort of weapon nowadays given how small and rugged sensitive, advanced electronics can be made, and cheaply. The ability to give a squad the ability to airburst some homosexuals hiding behind a boulder/wall/inside a room/etc. only makes sense. Especially with how ubiquitous shit like thermals/NVGs/AR systems are becoming.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, it really only makes sense to design this sort of weapon nowadays given how small and rugged sensitive, advanced electronics can be made, and cheaply. The ability to give a squad the ability to airburst some homosexuals hiding behind a boulder/wall/inside a room/etc. only makes sense. Especially with how ubiquitous shit like thermals/NVGs/AR systems are becoming.

        do you really need airburst if you have smarty scopes that can adjust for volley fire properly?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Do you need the ability to defeat cover? Yes.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Preferably yes. Even with volley/indirect fire, having the munitions explode in the air offers way better efficiency and kill chance than them farting half their energy/shrapnel into the ground.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >do you really need airburst
          Does the enemy have cover? Then yes.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            concern

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Don't worry, that's only fired from larger 30mm auto cannons mounted on armored vehicles. Not an infantry weapon or the light 30mm auto cannons that they're looking at mounting on the JLTV, or at least not yet.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The logistical footprint would be larger than an M2, but that just seems like it would much, much more effective at engaging targets than a .50 cal.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Consider that the Mk19 has already been regularly used alongside the M2 for decades

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That is a fair point true. Question one I have is are there 40mm air burst rounds available for it? and two, compared to 40mm, could switching to a 30mm weapon bridge the gap in logistical foot print between .50 cal and 40mm to any significant degree?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Come to think of it, why don't they try to weld some sort of range finder thingie in the mk19 and give it programmable munitions?
                That are a shot load of them in use already so convertain a few wouldn't be a problem

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Gotta think it shouldn't be a problem. The tech to do so is certainly there. Just comes down a matter of money and will I suppose.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Gotta think it shouldn't be a problem. The tech to do so is certainly there. Just comes down a matter of money and will I suppose.

                the tech should be in the sighting system, rangefinders and shit area already there

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Everyone's an IFV

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            the age of light infantry is over

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, so get this. We buy the unused stocks of these anti-school shooting blankets, dye them OD or tan and cover the trench tops with them.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Dear God that is terrifying.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It should have been issued to snipers and designated marksmen instead of grenadiers

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >it should have been issued to snipers
      >t. moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It should have been issued to snipers and designated marksmen instead of grenadiers

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          do they even high-low? guy getting scope bit.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            High-low deals with pressure, not recoil.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              low pressure should be low recoil, unless it's actually high-pressure->stupidly-high-pressure

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                b***h have you never heard of Newton's third law of motion?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Still uses hi-low system but is loaded much hotter. Think of the mk-19's 40x53 vs the m-203's 40x46.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's obviously a long soft rubber cup. Otherwise the dude would have a hole in the back of his head from the sheer force of that recoil.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          after how many shots has the shoulder to be replaced?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            no replace shoulder very pricey
            replace whole soldier much cheaper

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >no ear protection
          >but covid mask

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It should have been issued to snipers and designated marksmen instead of grenadiers

          'ate bugs, but their grenade launchers are cool.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You ate bugs? Gross.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >it should have seen very little use rather than being issued at the platoon or squad level like the US planned to do
      Why?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      its pretty cool those nades go off after keyholing

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    it certainly took off a few hands

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >this new potato sling is available amy time now™

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I hope that it gets revived along with this frenchkino.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The 90's really were a different time.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        We really were fricking moronic.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      We really were fricking moronic.

      Only moronic in that we could clearly see the future, yet chose to look away.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    People don't realize how slim the XM-25 was becoming by 2015. A modern intereptation of the concept could only be a big improvement.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      that is a tubby boy

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Be it flexible munition recoilless rifle, commando mortar or digitalized grenade launcher, they are all going to compete with machinegun or AT launchers in terms of budget and equipment load inside the fire team.
    Like most army organization that does away with creating bigger unit with 3 identical subunits, there isn't room for mix & match either. If it cannot take over the MG role, what is left is rarely sprinkle them in weapon squad or minimaturize them that doesn't take up the space.
    The GL that would equate a LMG in weight and firepower is a double stack box fed semi auto/bolt action grenade launcher. It occasionally can be topped off with specialty type ammo like HEAT and smoke either one by one from a bandolier or by stripper clips. A belt-fed GL is going to be the equivalent of a HMG.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      checked but what does this even mean? is this a wikipedia copy/paste or something?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        muh DOD proposal.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Appeared in MW3 so it did to me

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    GAAGAGAGAGAGAAGAHAHAHAH

    DoD pulled it from the publics eye because it was just too effective. The OICW was ready since the 90s, but was shelved because:

    You don't put your best weapons out for everyone to see.

    OICW was a success

    XM8 was a success

    XM25 was a total super duper success

    Don't let the milgays tell you otherwise.

    >Too heavy

    Says the military which gave a 20lbs machinegun with a tiny 20rnd magazine as standard issue during WW2 (BAR)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You have brain worms

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. But avoided introduction and adoption into the us military, this is because it would result in the profileration of organic infantry airburst munitions, which if used against the us military would cause more harm than the benefits of equipping us soldiers with it l. Since the us can call on airstrikes or missiles.
    The platform is however fully developed and would be adopted if the us was involved in a peer war.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Chinese already seem like they're doing it either way. Maybe its more effective than the XM-25, maybe it's about the same, maybe it's less effective, but the point is either way it's already being done by our only real near peer conventional adversary

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