Did italian ships suck irl or is it just a game balance issue?

Did italian ships suck irl or is it just a game balance issue?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't great, weren't terrible. Had a lot of innovative ideas that unfortunately didn't really pan out like the Pugliese torpedo defense. Worst part of the navy was indecisive leadership and some poor shell quality control

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The shell quality control is pretty massively overblown, an excuse used by certain influential figures like Iachino post-war to justify their own actions during specific engagements. More recent research is showing the extent of the exaggeration with regards to shell quality and gunnery during the war.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the italian navy was the best thing it had going for it. the royal navy mediterranean fleet was stretched thin with a lot of focus being put on home defence but it was still very powerful with a mix off carriers, battleships and battlecruisers and the regia marina was enough to contest it at some points.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If only they had pressed on even harder, especially when Germany was fucking with the British during their invasion of Greece. But no, the supermarina was an absolute embarrassment with little successes.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't that bad, from what I know they had an issue with the powder bags not being consistent across manufacturers. This lead to dispersion/accuracy issues with their guns and many blaming the guns/ships as the problem.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the dispersion issues were quite notable as multiple British ships attest to the Italians finding the range very quickly but never being able to hit them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the dispersion issues were quite notable as multiple British ships attest to the Italians finding the range very quickly but never being able to hit them

      Honestly, the dispersion issues of the Regia Marina are kind of a meme honestly. Like yes, their guns were probably not top tier in terms of accuracy, but they weren't even the shotguns that youtubers like Drachinifel make them seem to be. In the cruisers the accuracy issues were mostly related to the use of single cradle twin turrets, which meant that the barrels were very close to each other: that issue however was solved rather quickly with the addition of delay coils. As for the Littorios, they only took part in four ship to ship engagements in the whole war, and they only displayed poor accuracy in one of those, that being the action off Gavdos, in which Vittorio veneto engaged British cruisers at very long ranges, and in which the British made effective use of smokescreen.

      As a matter of fact in the Mediterranean naval engagements had a tendency to happen at significant longer ranges than in other theathers, which meant that in equal conditions both sides missed more shots than average: see for example the Battle of the Espero Convoy, were the British/Australian squadron had to fire 5000 shells in order to sink a single italian destroyer. The british of course had the advantage of Radar, which meant that if they wanted to close range at night they could do it, and that's what led to most british victories in the Med.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They weren't that bad, from what I know they had an issue with the powder bags not being consistent across manufacturers. This lead to dispersion/accuracy issues with their guns and many blaming the guns/ships as the problem.

        also keep in mind their destroyers and light cruisers had an insane range, and that was achieved with ridiculous amounts of propellant

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and that ridiculous amount of propellant was burning out barrels at a hilarious rate

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This isn't confined to naval ammunition; a British examination of captured 6.5mm carcano ammunition found up to four different types of smokeless powder and mismatched primers used in the same batch, sometimes even within the same stripper clip.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    as far as aesthetics and comfort go, they were unmatched

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      italians always did know asthetics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      italians always did know asthetics.

      That they do.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        exactly what came to my mind, anon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically the Mediterranean belongs to Italy.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >shitaly

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their shipgirls are hot tbh

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shipgirls are hot

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not Roma.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >short gun range
    >long reload time
    >high ship spotting range
    >tall citadel
    >low hp
    >gimmicky SAP
    >useless smoke
    >shitty slow torps
    >no hydro
    >no radar
    >short torp spotting range
    Wargaming hates italian ships for some reason
    Which is strange cause their italian tanks are excellent

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >doesnt run the meme lighthouse build to mitigate the weaknesses

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they got btfo a couple of times and then refused to ever go out basically

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >manage to survive ww2 with a just a blooded nose and some lame sanctions
      >while also getting boatloads of american gibs since 1943
      Call them stupid. Meanwhile the autistic nazi fanatics died like flies and the rest was raped into submission

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >manage to survive ww2 with a just a blooded nose and some lame sanctions
      >while also getting boatloads of american gibs since 1943
      Call them stupid. Meanwhile the autistic nazi fanatics died like flies and the rest was raped into submission

      Whoops forgot pic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This

      Unironically the Mediterranean belongs to Italy.

      Lolwut
      Cunningham sailed the British battle fleet around looking for a fight, but the RM refused to engage

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sailed the British battle fleet around looking for a fight,
        The eyeties had no fuel.
        The japanese had fuel, but the bongs fled.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          how does it feel knowing your life is a complete failure, Dennis?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They went to war with even less in the way of fuel supplies than Germany. Somehow, it never seemed to occur to the right people that the Royal Navy would cut them off from access to American oil.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Germans kept giving away their positions and timings because they insisted the Enigma encryption couldnt be cracked

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    holy new graphics card

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Swordfish
    Battle of Taranto

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Italian ships prioritised speed and looks over anything else and sank relatively easily. Also no radar lol. Battle of Cape Matapan battleships sneaked up on a heavy cruiser squadron and annihilated it.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >is it just a game balance issue?
    Yes. It's the same game that has Russian Bias. I'll give ve you that.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It made the Royal Navy seethe so much btw. It was good.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Blows up your ships, woooops

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were great ships, just unequipped with radar which is what hurt them so much. They were also extremely comfortable for the most part, so the crews loved them. Venezia is a kinda unrealistic design, they probably wouldve opted for larger Zaras or else go full Ansaldo project (Napoli).

    WG just cant balance shit. Look at CVs and subs lmao.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some anon here went on a rant, i don't have the screenshot anymore sadly, about how royally WG had fucked up with the italian designs. Specifically, the fact that italian ships base their damage on many inaccurate, small caliber guns, while supposedly italy intended to pursue the exact opposite, ie big bore accurate guns with long ranges but few in number. Whether this was a pipe dream or what they really wanted to do post ww2 is an another matter entirely

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I really don't get how weegee can fuck their game up so bad. Back in 2016 they had an absolute golden formula for an arcade ship combat game. Artillery felt good to use, the three main surface combatants had a very good loose rock paper scissors dynamic, and it just felt good. Fast forward to today and the artillery is bugged, there's a million meme ships that break the dynamic, and WG is trying their hardest to push away the gunships in favor of gimmicks that circumvent this dynamic like subs, CVs, and the fucking D*tch.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WG follows the tried and reliable formula
        >launch new ships in early access to make the dumb consoomers spend hundreds of bucks in what they could get for free if they wait one more month
        >make the grind an absolute pain and every ship of the line minus the very top tier worthless junk, in order to further galvanize frustrated players to give them gibs
        >every new entry is unbalanced, ships get progressively more and more powerful, because their way to attract customer is to promise them big unf OP stuff
        >cash in the seasonal pass, container loot boxes, holiday events
        They think only in short time returns because either they don't care or know that their games are getting old and it's only a matter of time before they pull the plug, so they try to squeeze every last cent out of it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The sad part is that the age of a game doesn't matter so much these days. Games like War Thunder, despite being way older, are as popular as ever. Even World of Warships is only starting to flounder very recently despite WG's repeated attempts at crashing and burning the game. People still love that golden formula this game is built around, despite it being covered in mountains of poo. If they had literally any long term planning beyond wringing money from whales, this game could still have many good years ahead of it. As it stands now however, the end is undoubtedly closer than the beginning.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yup, and the player numbers are in free fall and the competitive scene is dead. I used to do clan battles and stuff, but now theres no point because its just so unfun to play the game when CVs and Subs are fucking it up.

        Stupid gay devs killed the game I loved.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also the totally not tier 11 ships, which includes supercarriers, subs with homing torps that can turn 180 after your ass, health and speed of a destroyer (while underwater), making you also waste DCPs and fuck up your positioning, while having countermeasures almost as bad as carrier countermeasures are.
        Guess the poor optimization, bugs and latency are also worth bringing up, but decade old engine for racing games, please understand.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But anon, the Mk 48 firing super sub is only a tier 8.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Italy imo had some of the best ships of the war. Combination of lacking radar (which was such a new technolology at the time that you can't really hold it against them) and lacking fuel to be more engaging in the action is what really fucked them. Disparity in oil production altered the course of the war on every front drastically.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    have a nice day.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    burn alive

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    get killed

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Did italian ships
    put it this way:
    >Christopher Columbus had to get boats from the Spanish just to sail a decent boat at the time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My entire life I went on the assumption he was Spanish, and you're just now implying he's Italian?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying
        he WAS Italian
        born in Genoa

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          welp im an idjit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did you think it was Spaniards getting into street fights with hippies and injuns at Columbus day parades?

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Giulio Cesare is pretty good. Happy I ended up getting her. Not to mention she's beautiful

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Never liked SAP shells, never worked for me; HE or AP, pick one and die by it
      >t. Monarch enjoyer

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The one thing that makes Cesare good, doesn't have that SAP bullshit.
        monarch's a cute shipgirl though

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well shit can't believe I fucked up a spoiler. Fucking phoneposting.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ugh, worst game
    but at least it isn't a hohol dickrider thread
    SAP shells are great as long as they aren't on Italian ships

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russians are as good at war as they are at war games.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        shut up gay

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >normal AP
    >heavy german AP
    >superheavy US AP
    >shortfuse UK AP
    >railgun SV AP
    >all the same AP according to the game ui

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just wait to see the bullshit war thunder pulls with the Soviet navy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pulls? War Thunder already has the soviet navy. They've pulled a bunch of bullshit years ago.
      Their cruisers fire 2.5 times faster than historical and their battleships use obscure super-long SAP shells that would've had stability problems IRL.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I know, I play that depression pit of a game.
        Those fucking snow morons have the best navy despite their real life counterpart.
        Not to mention that bullshit that is Kronstadt, goddamn fantasy ship with op shells and ballistics.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ships sucked in general. Completely helpless against flying things that go 10 times faster.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God I miss the old CVs, this reworked shit just ain't fun

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