Did it make the Mp40 obsolete?

Did it make the Mp40 obsolete?

Also this video is cool and should have more than 2k views even if he pronounced zug like an Orc instead of with a German Z. And I'm pretty sure he's wrong about the stg44 not having a rifle grenade attachment but I could be wrong.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It made most of the main small arms of the time obsolete like the mp40 and k98 which it was meant to replace. The goal was to have STG 44s replace them and have g43s for a dmr like role and the mg 34/42 in the squad role as a gpmp

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty forward thinking.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The MGs were actually moved to a platoon level fire support role as the video points out, although this may be specific to the sturmzug

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >Why do people still fall for the myth that german engineering is somehow "better" simply because they tend to make shit needlessly complicated?
    Literally only 4chantards and middle class car enthusiasts think this

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    The trigger mechanisms were overly complicated as with the g43 and g41 but the gun itself was pretty simple being a long stroke tilting bolt with an inline recoil spring

    • 3 weeks ago
      sage

      I know, the rest of the gun is fairly normal which makes the trigger group seem very out of place. I mean look at all those little pin bushings. I wonder if the tilting bolt had any influence on the design of the SKS or if that was all original.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The tilting bolt wasn't first introduced by the mp44. It was used in Soviet designs like the svt38 and svt40 and ptrs. The way the gas piston attached above the carrier may have had some influence on the ak47 design. Though the AK is not a copy of the mp44 there were some influences as with many post war guns

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The SKS is, without exaggeration, just an ensmalled PTRS which is an enbiggened and refined SVT.
        The better part of Simonov's career wws just resizing the same gun and I really find that amusing

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The epitome of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The barrels of the mp44 and stg44 were stepped which was a change from the mp43 that would allow the use of a barrel mounted grenade launcher or Schiessbecher , though I haven't seen photos of them in use

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    Anyone ever tell you that announcing a sage just because you seethe every time Germany is mentioned is a pretty dumb idea?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    I do think German engineering is overrated but let's be fair to the STG-44 here.
    It was an extremely rushed design, essentially a shipped beta product. It hadn't been through the period of refinement complex mechanical devices need to be truly successful.
    It was also a very fragile gun, due to it taking the metal stamping technology of the era to the limit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't very fragile, it was pretty well received by it's users and it's receiver stamping is thicker than the akm receiver. The guns nowadays are wearing out usually in the trigger assembly but they weren't meant to be used and fired for nearly 80 years

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh I know the german troops loved it because holy shit an assault rifle I just remember reading about them dropping it and accidentally breaking something.
        I also heard it didn't hold up to high round counts but considering Yugoslavia used them for some special units into the 80's I'm not sure of that.
        You could point to the STG-44s in Syria too but as I understand those were new old stock guns

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I just remember reading about them dropping it and accidentally breaking something.
          It wasn't fragile. It had an issue with the wood getting wet very early on but that was easily fixed by just boring out the stock slightly more so the spring doesn't catch on it when the wood swells due to humidity.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The stocks were relatively fragile, being hollowed out.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No they weren't and they were far from hollow, they just had room for the recoil spring, which isn't exactly unique.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]
    >Why do people still fall for the myth that german engineering is somehow "better" simply because they tend to make shit needlessly complicated?
    Literally only 4chantards and middle class car enthusiasts think this

    Impotent tourist seething at Germany is hitting critical limits.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the mp40 was obsolete long before since it cost $21 to make. for context a sten/owen was $11, a grease gun $15, stg44 $26 and kar98 $30.

    because the sheer amount of manpower in this war, the smg kinda turned into a gun designed to equip the conscripts w/ an alright weapon for not much money.

    the mp40 was a nice gun but eh smgs were issued to squad leaders, headquarter roles (e.g driver, mortar team), mps and homeguard roles. spending all the money on something not important is retarded

    also say the war had continued for a bit longer, squad arms would've be as follows:

    and squad leader (mp3008)
    six rifle men (stg44)
    machine gun team (three men, two stg44s, one mg42, one Luger)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >also say the war had continued for a bit longer, squad arms would've be as follows:
      We know how it looked like because they wrote a manual about it and that's not it.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the fact that nations continued to use sub machine guns decades after this thing was invented should give you your answer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they were around, not because they were good. The best and most popular post war smg was the mp5 and that's mostly used by police and special forces but not actual armies.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The pronunciation of Zug sounds fine to me. Also didn't butcher sturmgewehr like some English speakers do.

    Pretty sure the stg never had a grenade launcher on account of the lower energy produced by the cartridge. Why else did they keep the 3 grenadiers?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    STG44 itself didn't, but the concept of the assault rifle that started with it eventually went on to make SMGs obsolete decades later when people figured out how to make short barreled gas operated rifles reliable. Now that you can get a rifle with a 10 inch barrel that is every bit as reliable as one with a 20 inch barrel, and they can still be suppressed and all that stuff like SMGs can, it's hard to justify using an SMG in any situation outside of when you absolutely positively need to use the smallest lightest gun possible. Otherwise SBRs are just flat out better and only a little larger and heavier.

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