>designed around the use of a manual safety. >still has a completely redundant grip safety

>designed around the use of a manual safety
>still has a completely redundant grip safety
Unironically, was it autism?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The grip safety isn't really a problem, is it?
    I've never been unable to fire a 1911 due to gripping it improperly.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. I could see it being an issue if somehow the leaf spring were hugely out of spec or really poorly bubba'd, but otherwise... it's really no big deal.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Para 1911 I had a while back had a grip safety that never worked properly. Showed some buddies about it discharging with no pressure on the grip, took a video of it, and sent it to Para. 3 months later I get it back, literally no change. Between that, the constant breaking of safety plungers, and eventually the barrel nut cracking as well, it basically just sits in my safe, unfired for several years now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Para 1911 I had a while back had a grip safety that never worked properly. Showed some buddies about it discharging with no pressure on the grip
        You're the only moron who sends it in because the gun shoots when you pull the trigger.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US government assumed that their military would be a bunch of idiots, I guess.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is true though. the general public is moronic and the military gets some of the lowest form of general public

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Now mix in a draft.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That would balance it out if anything. Without a draft you'll only really recruit the super patriots, people too poor to have other options, or people too dumb to have other options. Conscripted armies use the entire population as its pool.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. It's a big reason why the US has only won wars with a conscripted army.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's more that their win conditions became extremely unrealistic like having an incompetent, corrupt, and unmotivated government that they propped up be able to put down opposition forces.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the military gets some of the lowest form of general public
        Strange statement when the military estimates only 20% of young people would even be eligible to join any of its branches in any capacity, be it due to being druggies, criminals, fatties, or otherwise undesirable. 20% is probably a very optimistic estimate, in my opinion. Your average civilian these days has been coddled by his parents, an unhealthy relationship with social media, and thinks he's too special to follow orders. The military actually only tends to accept people it thinks is BETTER than the average civilian in the "general public." I've personally done four years in the infantry, deployed twice, and went on to get my BA and master's. Civilians, even ones with advanced degrees, tend not to be significantly dissimilar from the people I knew in the service. Sure, you get shitbags in the military, but the biggest concentration of shitbags in contemporary America seems to be, in my opinion, concentrated in business. Never have I seen a broader subset of Americans who are selfish, conniving, two-faced, shallow, and senselessly grandiose than in the corporate world. If that's the "highest" (per the great God in the sky: currency) form of the general public, I'd take the lowest any day of the week.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What does it say about you that you were doing the bidding of big business every second you were in the infantry?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know, but I'm sure you're itching to tell me.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It says you were mislead by the people you've correctly identified as the worst among us, and every single grunt who died in the middle east died in the interests of those people. If I were a trained killer, I know I'd want to do something about it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >prease shoot up the warrmart, birry

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Walmart
                No, that's why the glowies want you to do, because it solves nothing and just adds to their Strategy of Tension. The best thing to do would be to target CEOs and hedge fund managers and politicians, if you were going to go down that road.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also, I am not advocating for any kind of violence, and I believe all of our problems can be solved without violence. However, something tells me that most people who signed up for the military believe that violence can be used to solve problems. I just hope that if they resort to violence, they don't target innocent civilians.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You absolutely are advocating violence.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are many mentally ill veterans (through no fault of their own) who have been neglected and mistreated by their government and, ultimately, the psychos who own the government. Again, I just hope that if they snap they don't target innocent people that they signed up to serve, and instead target the amoral monsters they actually served.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Any disgruntled vet reading this: this is your sign to act
                You are literally trying to directly call people to action. This is an actual attempt at getting someone to commit murder — the people who might be the most vulnerable to it. If any single person in this thread is genuinely evil, it's you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >oh golly gee war is bad pls stop
                >b-but if you dont, pls kill [Anon's personal hit list]

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                based

                >Any disgruntled vet reading this: this is your sign to act
                You are literally trying to directly call people to action. This is an actual attempt at getting someone to commit murder — the people who might be the most vulnerable to it. If any single person in this thread is genuinely evil, it's you.

                gay

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If I were a trained killer, I know I'd want to do something about it.
                It almost sounds like you're (cynically; immorally) trying to manipulate me into doing something in YOUR interest... just like the people who (you think) already manipulated me. What does that say about YOU?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can't manipulate someone by telling them the truth. It's a fact that every single American GI's death in the 21st century was caused by sociopathic businesspeople wanting more profit and control.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, so it looks like we're not going to have a discussion in good faith. Noted.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I believe everything I've said, and I have told you no lies. If that's not good faith, then I don't know what is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I have told you no lies

                Also, I am not advocating for any kind of violence, and I believe all of our problems can be solved without violence. However, something tells me that most people who signed up for the military believe that violence can be used to solve problems. I just hope that if they resort to violence, they don't target innocent civilians.

                >I am not advocating for any kind of violence

                [...]

                >if I were a trained killer who was lied to and manipulated by these sociopathic monsters, I know I would want to do something about it. Any disgruntled vet reading this: this is your sign to act
                Do you genuinely think you're slick?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                see

                There are many mentally ill veterans (through no fault of their own) who have been neglected and mistreated by their government and, ultimately, the psychos who own the government. Again, I just hope that if they snap they don't target innocent people that they signed up to serve, and instead target the amoral monsters they actually served.

                Ultimately, I would prefer to see all warriors lay down their arms and refuse to fight for any reason. The world would be a much better place.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Any disgruntled vet reading this: this is your sign to act
                How do you explain this, high speed?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It says you were mislead by the people you've correctly identified as the worst among us, and every single grunt who died in the middle east died in the interests of those people. If I were a trained killer, I know I'd want to do something about it.

              misled*

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but protip butthole: every action you make furthers someone else's interests. You have to do what you think is right.
            Regardless of who it helps, military service directly harms the interests of non-US and non-Western "people", so I'd say its better than nothing.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're gonna quote that moronic homosexual?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Two time winner of the Medal of Honor

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is this true?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Major General Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed the Maverick Marine, was a senior United States Marine Corps officer. During his 34-year career, he fought in the Philippine–American War, the Boxer Rebellion, the Mexican Revolution, World War I, and the Banana Wars. At the time of his death, Butler was the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. By the end of his career, Butler had received sixteen medals, including five for heroism; he is the only Marine to be awarded the Brevet Medal as well as two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.

                >In 1933, he became involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot, when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists were planning a military coup to overthrow President Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler selected to lead a march of veterans to become dictator, similar to fascist regimes at that time. The individuals involved all denied the existence of a plot, which included the father of George H. W. Bush, Prescott Bush, and the media ridiculed the allegations, but a final report by a special House of Representatives Committee confirmed some of Butler's testimony.

                Great man. Ruined his reputation fighting the MIC.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Butler spotted
            >Obligatory

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        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Strange statement when the military estimates only 20% of young people would even be eligible to join any of its branches in any capacity
          Considering the size of the US that's still a damn big army.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is this what people too stupid to get into college tell themselves to feel good?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're the one too stupid to read that he got a masters degree.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what gets me though is that they didnt just issue pistols to everyone, it was only officers and special roles, people who are more than trustworthy enough

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Semi-auto pistols were a new thing, and failure was especially feared by the Calvary who didn't want to be shot by their own gun when galloping around or falling off their horse because their thumb safety was disengaged accidentally. It's a single action design that required them to keep it wienered and locked, and even today with all the extra features that scares some people from wanting to carry a 1911 in condition 1.

    Later 1911 clones did get rid of the grip safety, most notably the star clones. Although, they did add a mag safety for some moronic reason. Tbh, I kind of like it as someone who carries a 1911 sometimes. I've never had an issue with it from improper grip, and it does make carrying it in condition 1 a bit better.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's a single action design that required them to keep it wienered and locked
      This is wrong. The M1911 when it came out was intended to be carried with the hammer down. You were supposed to make the pistol ready after drawing. They were explicitly told not to put the pistol into the holster with the hammer back.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >was it autism?
    It was incredible foresight by the JM Browning. Keeps the gun absolutely safe when carried in condition 1, forces you to use a proper grip while shooting, and doesn't negatively affect reliability. Truly peak pistol design

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Your fat gut can still depress the grip and shoot your dick off.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's what I thought the direction the post was gonna head in!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Digits don't lie, and that anon will loose an important one

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >gut depresses grip safety
        >thumb safety still on
        >firing pin block exists
        My large testicles and small penis are safe

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >designed around a manual safety
    except it wasn't, it was only ever designed around the grip safety. The army had browning add the thumb safety, so the calvary wouldn't shoot themselves trying to reholster on a galloping horse

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Autism would be making the safeties lock themselves unless you cup the mag and assume the isosceles triangle stance.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    around the use of a manual safety
    Huh, always thought it was designed around the .45 ACP round.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2024 hindsight's from a gun originally designed in 1905
    Lol, LMAO even

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one in this thread has been thrown from a horse and it shows.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's an argument for a lanyard loop, not a grip safety. Oh wait, never mind, I see what you mean. If you have your pistol out to fire with the safety off and get thrown off the horse, it could accidentally fire. Except wait a minute, that's an argument for a drop safety, not a grip safety. But they didn't have drop safeties back then, and this was the next best thing. You're right.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >designed around the use of a manual safety
    >still has a completely redundant grip safety

    To my knowledge, it was originally designed with NO safeties.
    But the US Army feared its great power and demanded that no less than TWO separate limiters be added to it to contain its unbridled power and to prevent soldiers from accidentally hurting themselves

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based US Army. Have they ever made a mistake?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, replacing the M1911A1 as the standard issue sidearm with the Beretta, and then that with the Glock

        The rise and decline of US global power directly correlates with the creation, design, adoption, issue, mass-manufacturing, halt of manufacturing, replacement, storage, and later selling off of its vast quantities of M1911s.

        The hard end of the US empire will most likely occur the moment the CMP runs out of 1911s to sell and the straggling officers who still 1911s retire.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i will now place my wiener in you

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Keep your homosexuality to yourself

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fixed.

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