Define me what is a pistol

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I know it when i see it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the opposite of what he says, but only when antagonizing OP

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the opposite of what he says, but only when antagonizing OP

      Now the define a pistol down to its technicalities.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As much as I hate laws based around subjective opinions, that’s probably the best way to go about it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That model doesn't work here because the government would intentionally underfund and fail to staff the licensing centers. Instead, firearm prohibitionists nibble away at low-hanging fruit while the NRA looks the other way unless it threatens big corporate manufacturers.

      A good number of measurements in law are arbitrary. To keep it simple, and to remove the need for an ATF, it should go just by barrel length. There should just be two general classifications: (1) Pistol (or handgun) and (2) Long Firearm. Any weapon possessing a barrel length of 8 inches and above are Long Firearm. What is considered a "barrel" for purposes of classification only includes the actual original length of the barrel as it came out of the manufacturer, meaning any attachments will not count towards the barrel length. Thread caps will not count towards the barrel length.

      The better alternative is to just do away with the legal distinction all together.

      The whole discussion is just fricking moronic. There are only firearms, making a legal distinction between pistols and rifles is pointless and stupid. There should be no difference in regulations or any restrictions on one or the other.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >strictissimi juris
    See, the problem we have does not lie in the legal definitions of items or word, but in the shit people made up to ban something they dont like. Most of our laws are exactly that. Someone does something people dont like, those who dont like it band together and vote someone into power who now bans it for everyone, else. Democracy yay. This core defect of our societies is what constantly leads to their downfall.

    You should be able to buy any firearm you want and call it whatever you want. Have a 24" 6.5 cm? You call it a pistol? Well, you do you. This has just become a problem because the government regulates items based on bogus definitions. People then try to get around these definitions, hence rifles suddenly turn into pistols.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Or coathangers into machine guns. I can only suggest everyone watched the current bump fire stock SCOTUS case. People who have received the highest education are fricking morons.

      >Bump stocks bad because high rate of fire.
      >High rate of fire bad because government says so
      >But high rate of fire is not like automatic fire.
      >But is automatic fire not high rate of fire?
      >Yes and no.
      >What if someone fires just very fast?
      >Maybe must be regulated too, what does government say?
      >Government says machine guns bad.
      >Why?
      >because high rate of fire.
      >But machine gun works in a specific way to achieve high rate of fire.
      >Did government only want to ban this way or high rate of fire in general?
      >Big think.

      This goes on and on and on. These people are thought to be the smartest and best we can come up with. The only logical solution for that entire clusterfrick would be to throw the case out and go back to the source of the problem. The government should not regulate your property, ever. There is no provision in the constitution that allows the government to do so. Yours is yours. As long as you harm no one else nobody should ever be able to regulate you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is exactly what happens when you send a bunch of political goons on a crusade for an agenda they have no understanding of.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Or coathangers into machine guns. I can only suggest everyone watched the current bump fire stock SCOTUS case. People who have received the highest education are fricking morons.

      >Bump stocks bad because high rate of fire.
      >High rate of fire bad because government says so
      >But high rate of fire is not like automatic fire.
      >But is automatic fire not high rate of fire?
      >Yes and no.
      >What if someone fires just very fast?
      >Maybe must be regulated too, what does government say?
      >Government says machine guns bad.
      >Why?
      >because high rate of fire.
      >But machine gun works in a specific way to achieve high rate of fire.
      >Did government only want to ban this way or high rate of fire in general?
      >Big think.

      This goes on and on and on. These people are thought to be the smartest and best we can come up with. The only logical solution for that entire clusterfrick would be to throw the case out and go back to the source of the problem. The government should not regulate your property, ever. There is no provision in the constitution that allows the government to do so. Yours is yours. As long as you harm no one else nobody should ever be able to regulate you.

      From the creation until the ownership is it feasible to say with confidence that there was no harm and no burden? Also profit is harm for the government since there is no tax from it.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Like if this is a pistol then what is not?
    My personal anecdote says its able to be carry one hand and is able to be conceal but then the expressiveness of it is too vague and ambiguous which then setforths a compromise as a necessity.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you talk like a gay

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you can wear it on your hip it could be a pistol, but only if it doesn't benefit me to call it something else.

    Gun classification is stupid. It just limits innovation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Define me a chair.
      Define me a human and its will be a featherless viped.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's when a gun is handy enough to be a handgun

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And, for pistols, it's when they don't have a drum

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What if a strongman is able to carry cannon with a single hand does that constitute to be a handgun or not?

      And, for pistols, it's when they don't have a drum

      The word drum seems to be subtle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cannons are never handy bro

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What about hand cannons?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Too handy, it's a handgun

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >handgun
              Perhaps. Since it's blackpowder though, legally its not a firearm at all under federal law.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Handgun't

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lel

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >What if a strongman is able to carry cannon with a single hand does that constitute to be a handgun or not?
        Handgun could be defined depending on the user. e.g. in relation to grip-strength.
        It doesn't work well in a legal framework though.
        Europe e.g. tends to define main gun categories based on overall length / concealability instead of having a stock or not, unlike the US the concealable types often being more heavily regulated as they are more relevant in criminal context.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A firearm not manufactured with any stock or means of stabilization through a third point of contact, at least that's how the government cares to define it. My personal definition is any firearm designed to be fired at arms length by one hand with all of its controls able to be accessed by the firing hand

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Defining firearms into legal categories is moronic and arbitrary and the way that it is enforced reflects that. Firearms should have the legal category of "firearm" and nothing further.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know what is hard to understand.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is a moronic picture

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >moron doesn't know about P&W

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          a pistol brace isnt what turns a gun into a pistol moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If it doesn't have a stock and doesn't have features that make it an AOW, then it's a pistol. You are wrong and mega moronic.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              a 16in barrel makes it a rifle with a brace on it, something completely legal and unregulated. a brace is something you are permitted to add to an already existing pistol, its mere presence does not create a pistol dipshit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >A pistol can't have a 16" barrel
                WRONG

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >has to change the context cause hes losing
                your image is moronic and wrong, end of story

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There is no context in which your mongoloid ass isn't wrong. Here have more some more context you 3 titty'd goat fricker.

                https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-i-lawfully-make-pistol-rifle-without-registering-firearm

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you are a moronic esl Black person, the two guns in your original image are both rifles. One has a stock, one has a brace. putting a brace on an ar with a 16 in barrel does not cause it to turn into a pistol. take the L Black person.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well the United States Government says otherwise. Go cry in your closet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                they dont, braces themselves have never been legally threatened. putting braces on guns legally classified as pistols is what the ATF has been attacking. you wouldnt know this because you cant read, on account of you being a gorilla Black person.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The Judicial system isn't part of the United States Government and the ATF didn't just get b***h slapped by a Federal Judge.
                You continue to fail. You should stop.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >incoherent nonsequitor response
                this is what you look like

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, he's right. The ATF's new rules clearly state that merely attaching a brace to a handgun is legally considered to be manufacturing of an SBR.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the gun in his picture is not a handgun, its a rifle. attaching a brace to a rifle is not under threat.

                So far, the only thing you've managed in this thread is ad hominem. It's boring. Maybe you can do better.

                quit being a Black person

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So far, the only thing you've managed in this thread is ad hominem. It's boring. Maybe you can do better.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >a 16in barrel makes it a rifle
                No, it doesn't

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If gun identifies self as a pistol, then ge is a pistol.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Im still amazed about how "free" USA is when it comes to guns (i know, depends from state to state).
    Here in pooland if you get licence, you can have almost everything below 12mm caliber, pic related, my friend was suprised i can have "silenced high capacity magazine SBR", which is just considered PCC here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That model doesn't work here because the government would intentionally underfund and fail to staff the licensing centers. Instead, firearm prohibitionists nibble away at low-hanging fruit while the NRA looks the other way unless it threatens big corporate manufacturers.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > my friend was suprised i can have "silenced high capacity magazine SBR"
      No they weren’t. Even if they were they didn’t phrase it like that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That model doesn't work here because the government would intentionally underfund and fail to staff the licensing centers. Instead, firearm prohibitionists nibble away at low-hanging fruit while the NRA looks the other way unless it threatens big corporate manufacturers.

      >the government would intentionally underfund and fail to staff the licensing centers.
      Like the ATF and their NFA processing? NEARLY THREE HUNDRED FRICKING DAYS FOR A SILENCER BTW.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >If you get license
      Our equivalent is a tax stamp which costs about the same, but gets a lot more pushback because we correctly believe we shouldn't have to pay that at all.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >12mm
      Do you mean 12 Gauge?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        namely:
        centerfire weapons of calibers up to 12mm
        rimfire weapons of calibers up to 6mm
        all smoothbore shotgun caliber weapons

        > my friend was suprised i can have "silenced high capacity magazine SBR"
        No they weren’t. Even if they were they didn’t phrase it like that.

        he did, maybe he was joking, but im sure he had to do some jumps to get his SBR registered and he cant use supressors

        >If you get license
        Our equivalent is a tax stamp which costs about the same, but gets a lot more pushback because we correctly believe we shouldn't have to pay that at all.

        I wouldnt compare tax stamp to licence - here process of getting permit is formulated quite alright, and filters out most morons who should never get near the gun - you take health, iq and psych test, and get ovealuated by general doctor (probably untranslatable term to english) before you can take a law theory exam and practical exam.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >here process of getting permit is formulated quite alright
          that sounds really pathetic considering you arent allowed to use it for self defense anyhow.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why not? Do you know polish law?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I do, you paid a bunch of money and sucked government dick for the privilege of owning a toy you arent allowed to use for its intended purpose

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so no, you dont, thats all i had to know

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i do actually. all the same im glad your government gave you a gold star for letting them stick a finger in your ass lmao, maybe if society collapses youll get to use your gun

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Exams to own the means to defend yourself, including a psychological exam administered by a government shrink to look for wrong think
          Infinitely more cucked than just having to buy a tax stamp.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Actual functional definition: You can wear it in a holster on a belt and draw it with one hand.
    Legal definition: Completely arbitrary rules made up by governments concerning caliber and barrel length.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If I can hold it in one hand, it's a pistol to me

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A good number of measurements in law are arbitrary. To keep it simple, and to remove the need for an ATF, it should go just by barrel length. There should just be two general classifications: (1) Pistol (or handgun) and (2) Long Firearm. Any weapon possessing a barrel length of 8 inches and above are Long Firearm. What is considered a "barrel" for purposes of classification only includes the actual original length of the barrel as it came out of the manufacturer, meaning any attachments will not count towards the barrel length. Thread caps will not count towards the barrel length.

    The better alternative is to just do away with the legal distinction all together.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These are pistols

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It means small gun.
    In some languages, in some time periods, it means a small gun that could be reasonable fired with one hand.
    To the ATF, it means no buttstock.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is this a pistol when Finland doesn't have US style sbr laws though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I heard kar21 is currently in the hands of ATF waiting for aproval as a pistol import.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's all arbitrary bullshit designed to keep us less free and less able to resist the government should they decide to round us up like sheep for the slaughter. You know it, I know it, the only question is what are we going to do about it?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >juris
    There's no j in Latin, Black person.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    idk man, these days I don't think anyone knows. This was a pistol when I bought it?!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

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        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

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  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    overall length of under 26 inches (longer than that it is called "firearm" [not NFA AOW])
    barrel less than 16 inches
    no stock (brace OK)
    pistol grip
    no vertical foregrip
    double check all this shit just in case

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Disinfo
      A pistol can have a barrel of any length.
      A pistol can be over 26" long and still be a handgun.
      The ATF rule 4999, with specific regard to defining braced pistols as SBR's, had language that a braced pistol would be an SBR if the overall length was greater than 26" and a barrel under 16". This was a clear contradiction with actual law and also violated common use. The ATF got slapped down hard by a Federal judge on this.
      Some individual states may have stricter laws.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A compact weapon designed to be concealed on one's person.

    > Sawed-off shotguns
    Pistols, if you have baggy clothes.

    > AR "pistols"
    Not pistols because there is no goddamn way your pockets can hold one

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It doesnt really matter what a pistol is since its an armament and therefore SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

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