I want to buy a double action / single action hammer fired pistol that has a decocker and is tiny (preferable subcompact or "Micro"). Picrel is all I have really found so far, are there more out there or should I just go with the rami?
DA/SA subcompact pistols with decocker
There are no DA/SA micros that I know of, the closest thing might be the Springfield XD-E but it's actually pretty big and doesn't have a decocker I don't think. But there is the Sig P224 which is discontinued and the Walther P99 Compact which probably isn't what you meant but meets your criteria. There are also a number of compact S&W 3rd gen pistols with safety/decockers, like the 3913.
>Sig P224
Dog shit pistol tbh. SIG DA pulls get heavier the shorter the grips are and the itty bitty 224 is just fucking legitimately bad. That's not hyperbole saying that it isn't good, or it's just average. The trigger pull is heavy, stacky, shit. Do not buy.
>bitches about striker triggers
>imma buy a P30
LMAO
80x or kimboomer micro 9 then, fair enough
>The trigger pull is heavy, stacky, shit. Do not buy.
the trigger pull is the least of your worries with a p224
they dont fucking work
jams ar common
XDE has a decocker but also single stack and huge
What’s the difference between this and a p2000sk
T. Can only buy one more gun
Beretta Model 20 doesn't have a decocker, but like
said it does have a tipup barrel which serves the same function. It's slimmer than the 21A and 3032 and avoids the rimfire issues of the 21a and the cracked slide issues of the 3032. But it is in 25 ACP if that bothers you. As far as I know it's the smallest DA/SA out there and I want one.
also valid and based, though feels a bit heavy in the pocket compared to a micro striker gun
good on you, but I had the 380CC and it was a piece of shit
>though feels a bit heavy in the pocket
yeah it’s a hefty gal. Weighs in around 26ozs loaded.
The 80X is about the smallest you'l find those features.
And that's also about the nastiest POS on the market right now.
James Reeves wouldn't lie to us
H&K has the P30SK and the P2000SK which are similarly sized to the RAMI.
I always forget about those lol
I guess there's also the Beretta PX4 Subcompact
man it sucks the rami was discounted
self check because nobody checks digits anymore
I'd be more sold on the px4 if it retained the cool rotating barrel action of the big ones. something with the barrel length of a px4 compact but the mag length of the subcompact would be a cool hybrid. I know you can do that on some guns just by swapping frames, I'm curious if it would work on a px4
I have a RAMI and after the first 100-200 rounds breaking it in it really hasn't jammed at all.
I recommend it.
Bersa thunder plus
Yes fellow Bersa brother. You can get a new one for under $300 OP. They are fun and comfortable to shoot, accurate and over the past 3-4 years Ive had mine I shot the hell out of it and only malfunctions Ive had have been the slide not locking back after the last round a couple times.
Nigga why? Just get a nice striker fired. As for just an answer to your question: HK p30sk. Meets all your criterias. Never shot it but heard good things.
Fuck striker
But I hardly know her.
Homo
I really have no preference but striker is just comfier to carry even though i like how some hammers feel to shoot
My problem is I want a manual safety, I just dont trust carrying striker with no safety (especially a sig which is known to go off by themselves) appredix pointing at my balls. It just seems common sense, especially with the p365 which shares the striker system the p320 has. I never carried my p365x with one in the chamber because of this, worse I knew someone who had a p320 discharge into his quad. Fuck any gun without a safety tbh.
M&p 9 shield has a model with a safety. There's a plus version that holds 10, pretty small gun with nice trigger. Performance center is even nicer, though i have an old 9 shield and can't justify spending the money for 2 extra rounds and nicer feeling gun. Go shoot it, feels nice for sure. If i didn't already have the older version I'd cop for sure tbh
Man you're gay and retarded. The 365 is separate from the 320 as it's literally a rework and parts kludge p250. Almost every micro compact has a thumb safety version available (365, hellcat, shield plus, whatever). You're just making up excuses for why you have zero attention span and can't look through a catalog or some listings of guns and can't focus on getting good because your homosexual brain is tiktok naggered out. Maybe if you use some ARG goggles for eye pro at the range so everytime you make a hit an anime e-boi shows you her butthole and a jingle plays while confetti drops you'd actually get gud but you can't because you're a homosexual who can't be normal and just practice dry fire.
NTA but the 365 is certified gunslop
Its no big deal. Just carry without one in the chamber and train yourself to charge it when you intend to use it. Also buy better holster or position it better, no gun should be pointed at your balls.
Holy shit you’re retarded.
I'm also redpilled on safeties so get what you're saying. The P365 has never had issues inadvertently going off though, imo it's the only Sig worth getting. It has better features than all the micro 9s and is the most common making holsters and accessories easy to acquire. The only other ones worth looking at are the FN Reflex and M&P Shield Plus, but they're different sizes.
Striker with safety is fine for carry, striker without safety is indeed retarded. Striker triggers haven't sucked since the gen 3 Glocks. Glock was still a cheap gun that cheaped out on everything and basically had a HI Point quality trigger back then. They're bearable now, and no other striker trigger I've used has been as bad as those ones. Modern striker fires are fine, they give you a single trigger pull and you don't have an opening on the back for dust to get in when carrying concealed. With DA/SA you get the boomer retardation of two trigger pulls, unless you get a DAO or SAO (SAO is essentially what a striker is, DAO is essentially a striker with double strike capability). The FN Reflex is actually an internal hammer SAO. For a decent DAO hammer they basically don't exist except for HK's LEM triggers. Very few strikers include a double strike capability because they're made to be cheap guns.
Oh wait, FN stopped including safety options after the FNS9. Fuck them.
>The P365 has never had issues inadvertently going off though, imo it's the only Sig worth getting. It has better features than all the micro 9s
You are not wrong anon, I like everything about my p365x minus the terribad trigger. It is so hard for me to train with it when my range toy is a stacatto XC. I really just want one handgun going forward I can carry and train with and sell my overpriced 2011. I would happily pay big bucks for an all metal P365X with a hammer and a safety. I dont even care about the SA/DA crap, I just want a safety so I dont accidentally shoot myself and strikers I have such a hard time telling when they go off because I was taught on hammers since I was a child.
Acquire training to get rid of trigger snobbery. A light, slight pull single action trigger is not actually good, it's a crutch for noobs with bad trigger control.
Sig will release a 15 round version of the P365 when their sales slump. Not buying any of these odd size ones until then. That's what they want you to do, buy odd capacity/size guns you wouldn't normally buy because there isn't a 15 round option, then they'll release the 15 rounder and you'll have to buy the same gun again.
Same goes for safeties. They'll release the non safety version to break some safetychads into buying it then having to buy the better version when it's released.
>That's what they want you to do, buy odd capacity/size guns you wouldn't normally buy because there isn't a 15 round option, then they'll release the 15 rounder and you'll have to buy the same gun again.
You know what, fuck that and fuck SIG, I will just carry a Stacatto C2 or a CS and be done with this. Carrying a larger handgun with the features I want is better here vs waiting for this consoomer trash is better. Thank you for bringing up that point tbh.
>damn these consoomerist companies for making me buy multiple cheap guns, I'll buy an extremely overpriced 1911 as revenge!
...You get that if they do that you can just put the 15 round magazine into the smaller gun right lmao
I use glock 17 mags in my g19 all the fuckin time dude
You sound strongly like a fuckin kid who cries about eating vegetables or drinking water when you say shit like this fyi. I compete with a CZ and carry a Glock. Try not being a huge pussy.
This is the 17 round P365 XMacro. You should immediately see the problem here. Meme shit like a straight trigger and ugly ass built in compensator, but also the grip is very long.
These are the 15 round mags, I have one and it's not comfortable to shoot with. They leave a big gap on the back of the gun so it doesn't effectively extend the grip. It also sticks out quite a bit and makes concealment more difficult. They should build one around the ideal size of 15 round mags, it would feel better and be more flush. They know they should, and they should've done it before the ridiculous unnecessary 17 round model no one asked for. They did that for a reason, to sell idiots shit they don't really want or need.
the p365 really is only good as the base with the optic plate and the safety or the p365x with a safety, anything else is gaymer gun trash
What does your grip look like that this is a problem lmao
I wear size XL gloves and can get a proper grip on a Shield 1.0 with a 7rd magazine. This is a non-issue for notraining noshoots fags to use as cope for not just buying an adequate CC piece and carrying a goddamn gun.
I mostly just think it's a pure excuse. I don't particularly love the trigger of the g19 I carry, but it's adequate. My groups are tighter and my splits are faster with my competition gun but not enough to be life or death, and I can still do a sub-2 Bill Drill with the 19 cold. It's purely a skill issue and crying because the 2011 has a better trigger than the 365 and he "can't get over it" is pure uncut babydick bullshit
>It's purely a skill issue and crying because the 2011 has a better trigger than the 365 and he "can't get over it" is pure uncut babydick bullshit
I think its a mix of both, I have shot both a P365 and a Stacatto C and the difference is insane. If you read earlier in the thread, the guy started out with an XC after using GI M9s so yeah the difference would be pretty harsh. Even if he put tens of thousand of rounds in a XC, it wont help him much with micros. Personally I would just tell him like what that other anon said, accept all carries or trash or reccomend he just trains on a micro hammer.
I'm not gonna sit here and say that the stacatto doesnt have a better trigger than a p365 anon and I'm not arguing that
I'm saying that, if you are ostensibly carrying a gun it is to protect yourself and/or others in a life-or-death situation, and as such, not being able to stomach practicing with your carry gun but maybe the right carry gun will feel as good as the gun specifically known for it's extremely light, crisp trigger (it won't lol) demonstrates a childish, unserious mentality about armed self defense and indeed developing as a shooter that says to me that maybe anon should really take a hard look at themselves.
Guy with the XC here, and you are right, I do train with it and have put at least 6k through my XC and 2k-ish in my P365x. I will just get a hammer micro, tons of ammo and suck it up. I just wanted something a little better so I can ditch the XC eventually and just have a single gun. I appreciate the brutal honesty.
I don't get the straight trigger. it feels like my finger wants to slide 'up' on it, instead of resting in the center of the trigger.
The guy with the overpriced 1911 has a point, alot of firearms recently ARE consumer trash and it makes sense if he is going to get just one gun for everything to get a better one. Where he is wrong is clinging to stacatto for that especially for a carry. It is better to just accept micros are cheap use and throw away guns and never expect them to be good. If he already has a gun thats better than 99.9% of people on this board as a range toy, he is chasing a ghost getting something smaller.
Get a reflex or a 80x or some other hammer micro like a Rami and keep your range toy, nothing smaller is hardly worth using seriously if you have a handgun of that caliber. You are almost as retarded as the SIG fanboys hoping a micro will shoot as well as that, thats the richfag trap.
If you're going with shit like Sig and Glock yeah it's a cheap piece of garbage. S&W makes quality striker guns, FN has some nice ones too. Not every company is just pumping out the cheapest shit possible to get sales. Ruger is a culprit of that too.
Lionheart Vulcan is a better gun than the Memecatto anyway and for a better price, without the stupid grip safety. Their LH9s can still be had at even better prices and it's the same thing without the thumb shelf, optional optics plate, and option threaded barrel. Severely underrated brand.
Damn the Lionhearts look nice especially the Ember. I was unaware this brand existed. If we are going the route of strikershit, wouldnt it be best to just get something like the Springfield XD-M in 10mm? Yes it shoots like shit, but its not like you will care much since to defend yourself it will be real close and 10mm is much more devastating than a 9mm. That way you can keep a range toy and just accept that all carry guns are pos garbage. The only other route would be that Lionheart or a Wilson and good luck carrying those because a cop will just yoink it if you have to use it.
I really was not impressed with the full sized XDE i shot, and neather was the owner who was asking me for advice on other full sized pistols out there to buy.
Go to a rental range and shoot a bunch of pistols. Find what works for you and the smallest pistol you feel you can be reasonably accurate with if your goal for it is a carry piece.
An XD-M in 10mm would probably shoot even worse tbh. Thats one of the handgun rounds where you can feel the power in them. Its probably the best of the "carry guns are trash" idea, and yeah micro hammer and a ton of rounds would be probably the best way.
I went with a Witness in 10mm and absolutely love it. Polymer frame 10mms seem like hand bombs, even a steel frame bull barrel Witness has pretty hefty recoil with 10mm.
Lionheart LH9 was the most high quality gun I've personally owned, and for the $700 price tag definitely worth it. They're trying to sell those new ones for well over $1200, honestly I wouldn't get it for that unless I had a real use for it. Believe it or not my department (OC Sheriffs) approved Stacattos for duty use so it's weird they're being brought up. But they're fucking $2400, so even with an entire years uniform allowance it's still $1200 out of pocket. Even having a real use for it, I don't think that's worth it. They'll never approve the Lionheart but I'd definitely carry it if they did. Yeah you lose your gun until an investigation is completed but you get it back, and no they don't carve numbers into the slide like some have claimed. They do keep a forensic record of the barrel's ballistic characteristics though.
>Lionheart Vulcan is a better gun than the Memecatto
Literally the most noguns take I've seen in 2 months. This is an achievement you honestly should be proud of, I won't ever forget.
Literally the most notraining thing I've ever heard. The Lionheart is better because I like it better. The Stacatto is just a 1911 with gay aesthetic. Both have an SA trigger that's way too light for my taste anyway. One of thr only reason I stick to cheap plastic strikershits is the consistent trigger, or HK LEM which is meh.
>The Stacatto is just a 1911 with gay aesthetic
You mean a 1911 with
>A double stack magazine
>A polymer grip frame
>bushingless bull barrel
(these three define what is called a "2011")
Staccato is the attempt of a race gun manufacturer that has lost favor of the race gun community to rebrand to the duty crowd bringing race gun features to "duty" guns. They've been approved for service by many agencies and the US Marshalls chose them. The 2011 dominates any competitive scene it's in for good reason.
>the attempt of a race gun manufacturer that has lost favor of the race gun community
they're pretty popular in uspsa
>Lionheart Vulcan is a better gun than the Memecatto anyway and for a better price, without the stupid grip safety. Their LH9s can still be had at even better prices and it's the same thing without the thumb shelf, optional optics plate, and option threaded barrel. Severely underrated brand.
No. I don't think I will be buying from a company that puts out a gun and then immediately discontinues it.
>A light, slight pull single action trigger is not actually good, it's a crutch for noobs with bad trigger control.
Lets laugh at this retard
He's right. You don't even know what a striker trigger is supposed to feel like who the fuck are you to throw shade?
I have carried a Glock exclusively for the last 6 years. The trigger is exactly as that of a toy gun. Precisely. A toy trigger, it has aways been so.
They're horrific on the gen 3 and I assume below, though I've only handled gens 3-5. They're alright on the other ones. Yes you can feel that they're made of plastic, but you shouldn't care about feel. I hate that the break is so far forward, you can tell they made it to appease the whiney trigger snob crowd that needs to be surprised when the gun fires.
I don't see the appeal in it, looks like it has shitty recoil impulse. It's not worth it to pay that much for "race gun" features when all you'll actually notice are the hairpin trigger and fatass magwell. I definitely prefer the rough duty gun and milspec trigger feel though.
>looks like it has shitty recoil impulse
So what do you get for all those extra thousands you spend? Hairpin trigger? Not necessary, get trained up on trigger control. Massively flared magwell? Pretty gay looking t.b.h, I never had issues inserting a mag. What does it do better? I'm assuming you think you're paying for actual mechanical improvements but they're just not there. This isn't a Laugo Alien we're talking about, it's just a standard configuration pistol with some unneeded upgrades. Spend the extra thousands on training and you'll see how useless it is, and be more formidable. You can't just think that spending more on a gun or purchasing "upgrades" is going to make you a better shooter. Even tuning down the trigger to a miniscule weight still won't. You need to actually learn to shoot a gun through the established methods that instill accuracy and gunfight survival skills.
Most upgrades I do to a gun are to shoot certain types of ammo (certain pistols need a stainless barrel to shoot hard cast), modify the grip so my hand fits it perfect or to make the gun easier to manipulate left handed/save space i.e folding stocks, mag release switches to the opposite side. Maybe some sight changes to make them easier to see...otherwise i agree on ammo and training.
this just sounds like a fox and the grapes moment, especially with this post
Do you really think people are just buying it because it's expensive? Yes there is the law of diminishing returns but do you understand why everyone gravitates towards the 2011? It's the most forgiving gun to shoot, the trigger is not hinged - it travels straight back. Staccatos do not have hair pin triggers, they have standard 3.5-4.5 pound trigger pulls. That's standard for a single action only gun. 9mm 1911/2011 can run really light springs so the recoil impulse is minimal, it does not have a tilting barrel so it's even flatter shooting. It's just a nice gun that people are willing to buy. Your anger about it speaks alot about yourself.
yes yes training and all the shit. but the gun only costs like 2k. you can buy 8k rounds of ammo at that price, 8k rounds doesn't actually do you that good as it takes time to put in 8k reps. people can afford the staccato AND ammo, having 8k rounds doesn't magically give you the time to shoot it all. Buying training isn't magical either, plenty of dumbass grifters in the shooting world selling "wisdom".
> Not necessary, get trained up on trigger control
What if they already are?
Staccato is also the cheapest working 2011, there's Atlas and other custom builders that are several times more expensive. Go get mad at Atlas owners.
> Not necessary, get trained up on trigger control
>>What if they already are?
This is my problem with my XC, and mine has the atlas upgrade with a 1.5lb throw. Try shooting a p365x after that and the difference is an order of magnitude. I have thousands upon thousands through my XC. Dont get me started on glocks, I have a friend who loves those awful guns that thinks they are just as good as 2011. I shot his G19 and after a rew rounds I ejected the mag and gave it back to him, I had enough after that and it really pissed him off. I understand carry guns are garbage, but I wish someone needs to do a better job with strikers ffs.
Strikers are meant to be cheap and inherently just are. The mistake people make is thinking that the cheap mass production minded Glock was actually a good gun. Absolutely nope, it was made to be cheap and bought because it was cheap. Striker guns commonly have bad triggers especially when plastic components are thrown into the mix, inherently worse triggers than hammer fires, and are less reliable than a hammer fire mechanism. They don't have second strike capability, they strip the safety, strip it down to bare bones and say here, you want a $500 here's your fucking $500 gun (back in the day would've been here's your fucking $200 gun). That's all it is, it has the benefit of being lightweight and cheaper, but make no mistake a striker gun is not on the level of a hammer gun. If you work out all the kinks you still only end up with an ok gun. Work out all the kinks of a steel frame hammer gun and you have a fucking amazing gun.
>The mistake people make is thinking that the cheap mass production minded Glock was actually a good gun
The funny part is Stacattos are production 2011s made by machines, and people with Nighthawks, Atlas,Infinities will treat you like shit. People hate Stacattos on this board and think they are gucci guns, they are so not, its like buying an M5 because you want the performance of a supercar but cant afford an exotic. I do really hate what strikers however have done to the carry market, they turned everything into consumer slop and SIG has made the P365/320 like fucking gun funkopops for the same trash gun.
getting mad about expensive things and assuming all expensive things are secretly trash is a very low-brow opinion.
It's the user's skill level that's cheap. An expensive user will utilize a cheap tool more effectively than a cheap user will use an expensive tool. Invest in yourself more not the tool.
And yes they're basically the same thing with a polished trigger and excessive magwell flare, so it ain't gonna do much anyway.
Cope
Expensive shit is usually a gimmick, the Stacatto is definitely just that.
strikers have terrible triggers, I had a p365x and couldnt stand shooting that thing, I am getting an 80x, kimboomer micro 9 or a P30sk because I am sick of these plastic strikerslop.
>strikers have terrible triggers
just dryfire you fucking dork. we all know you just want da/sa because you think its trad or some shit anway. no one ok /k/ has strong feelings backed by experience, theyre always backed by pure feelings
I dont care about trad or any fads, I just like hammers and just cant stand firing something which I have no idea when its going to go off because strikers are not predictable, also like
fuck getting anything without a trigger safety you will carry, That is just asking to hurt yourself.
>Strikers are not predictable
Nigga are you retarded? Put a box of rounds thru any striker you'll know exactly when it'll fire because you'll be able to feel the wall/break easily
>I'm a noguns, but let me babble on about guns anyways
>can't tell the difference between striker and hammer
>I have experience, unlike people that say they prefer hammer fired.
nagger
theres a difference and it doesn't matter if you practice. we aren't talking about revolver triggers here.
>we aren't talking about revolver triggers here.
no shit. how many revolvers are there with a striker mechanism? There are plenty of hammer fired auto loaders, so it's a bit embarrassing that you think anyone is talking about revolvers.
No they don't... especially not compared to duty DA/SA triggers like on HK and CZ. That's not to say all strikers have GREAT triggers but like everything the truth is in the middle. They're all equally serviceable.
>strikers are not predictable
... whut? They have walls just like hammer fired guns do, and fire with a pull weight consistency of less than 1/2 pound, typically just a couple ounces like a hammer fired gun. I can't really even think of a striker fired (or hammer fired for that matter) gun that DOESN'T have a consistent pull.
>it does have a decocker
Ah cool!
I've never even seen a P224 so I defer, just offering it as a possibility
> like on HK and CZ
Interesting you mention these two - I have a USP which I am very fond of, but both DA and SA are pretty eh, vs my CZ-75 has easily the nicest trigger of any pistol I have.
What would you consider to be a pistol with a truly excellent trigger?
Not many out of the box, but the Walther P99 jumps to mind. Extremely crisp SA, extremely short reset and the DA, for a plastic gun, is quite smooth too. Berettas are pretty good out of the box but are really good with just a lighter hammer spring and LTT trigger bar and excellent with LTT TJIAB. The new 92Xs come with Beretta's version of those out of the box I think, or maybe that's just the M9A4 and Performance models. USP Match triggers are quite good too in sharp contrast to the basic USP trigger. Uhhh what else, I've seen S&W 2nd/3rd gens run the gamut from just gritty duty tier meh to REALLY good. Sig P22X triggers have very smooth excellent DA on every model I've felt, but SA can either be great or just pretty good. I've got a handful of them and most have creepy (1-1.5mm) but very smooth and predictible SA breaks. I have one with a SUPER crisp break, so I think it's just luck of the sear. Still I would put them on par with Beretta because I don't mind creep as long as it's not gritty and has a hard wall.
I only mention CZ because the two I have some experience with, a P-01 and SP-01 both have pretty poor feeling DA triggers and rather creepy unclean SAs, until I put CGW hammers in them. Maybe older CZ75s were better idk, but I do know Shadows have nice triggers out of the box
What about the P365 is inconsistent? Strikers typically don't have very crisp breaks either because of a partially precharged mechanism like Glock or because bendy trigger components let the trigger move without slipping the sear (M&P), but in my experience they're always consistent. You just have to learn the trigger, it's like if you went from SA to a DA gun, you just have to learn when it breaks but it does it exactly the same every time.
Well there's always the S&W CSX for ya, it's SAO with a safety
>What about the P365 is inconsistent
The trigger break, if you have shot the 2011s or the older Berettas, going to a modern striker is really fucking bad. Its like driving a BMW M5 then getting dropped into a nissan altima. Everytime I shoot my p365x I have no idea when it will go off and it really screws with my shots. Hammers dont do this to me, even the crappy HK ones, I really wish someone would at least TRY to make a good striker trigger, because its really my only hangup with them.
What is inconsistent about it though? I get you say it's subjectively bad, I'm asking what is different between one pull and the next
P2000SK is hammer fired and comes in a few trigger variations (DA/SA or LEM), P99C is striker fired with, DA/SA with a decocker. I think the P99 has a much better trigger in both modes than the P2000SK, but the HK probably recoils a little less. I haven't shot the SK but I have a P2000 and several P99s and the P99s do recoil more for caliber than most guns their size. You could call the P2000SK more safe because when holstering you can put your finger on the back of the hammer to make 100% sure it's not able to fire. You can feel the P99's striker through the back of the slide too which at least gives you some feedback if the trigger gets caught on something, but I doubt your thumb would stop the teeny striker tip like it will on a hammer fired gun. This is something I don't personally care about
There are minor ergonomic differences too not really worth mentioning because it'll be personal preference.
>Burt posting outside of /hg/
>What is inconsistent about it though? I get you say it's subjectively bad, I'm asking what is different between one pull and the next
Simple, I just cant tell when its going to fire because I cannot feel any wall, and once you are past it, you cant feel before it engages. Its like a fucking question mark when it will go off.
>I cannot feel any wall
If this is true then that's a fluke, I've never felt a striker that didn't have a wall, unless it's truly DAO which the P365 isn't. I've dry fired a P365 and it doesn't have a crisp break but the one I tried definitely had a wall. But that still doesn't sound like inconsistently in yours, it sounds like you don't have enough experience with it to know when it's going to break? The trigger's mechanism isn't changing from pull to pull, it sounds like it just doesn't have a hard enough wall or a crisp enough break for your preference. This Walther PPS I think is one of the worst trigger I have and even it still has a wall, it's just spongy. Go try a Walther P99 or PDP, a CZ P10C or... I guess any other striker, they all have walls lol idk man, I don't have a problem staging the trigger on the wall with any strikers. They all have a wall and they all break the same way every shot. Give some others a try
Hell yeah
Thanks man maybe I will try handling a few of these next time I am at lgs and see how they work for me. Maybe I’ll give the Match trigger upgrade a try as well; the trigger is easily my least favorite aspect to the USP so if that helps it would be huge bump for me. Cheers
Your skin is almost reflective. Need to get some sunshine, man.
Also, how do you like your mr9? I've got a P99 I like a lot and have considered adding one to the collection.
>They have walls just like hammer fired guns do, and fire with a pull weight consistency of less than 1/2 pound, typically just a couple ounces like a hammer fired gun.
Maybe I got a bad one tbh, my p365x had constant light strikes and hated any ammo I gave it even gucci defense ammo. I kid you not I started my civvy handgun ownership with a stacatto XC and despite having put thousands of rounds through it, I just cant bear to fire my p365 without cringing. I badly need a carry that shoots better so I wont dump it and actually be good enough with it to save my life god forbid I have to use it. Striker triggers I just cant fucking stand and I am so fed up I just want a hammer back. I was taught to carry with a chambered round and just undo thumb safety and fire. I love the P365 size because I am so lean but the gun is utter trash, that and a shitty g19 are the only striker guns I have shot and I cant deal with how trash they are to practice. I am either just getting a 80x or just open carry a stacatto c2 or something. I am so fucking lost when it comes to carry guns, even in the army we used dropleg holsters with our M9s and I actually loved that gun, its just too fucking big to carry unless I dress like a fatass redneck. Worse cops here will demand permits if you print at all and I have been carded so many times I lost count.
The p365 trigger is completely fine you fag.
Makarov
Springfield XD-E.
it's small and flat. very comfy. SA/DA
yes it does have a decocker, I have one. if you pull the safety lever down it safely decocks it.
only downside is 9 round capacity single stack.
>Springfield XD-E is small
Eeeeeeehhhh, not really man. It's slightly thinner, but the same foot print as a Glock 19. I owned one, and it wasn't something I'd ever consider throwing in with subcompacts.
where do I grip it?
How rare are CZ Ramis?
Decently and they’ve fallen mostly into the hands of people that want them
These come with a larger backstrap if you have big hands
>this post
shoot a gun for the first time in your life first before you start looking for specifics that r*ddit has lead you to believe you want
I shall continue my Bersa-ing.
Is Rami bigger than the Hellcat / whatever the Sig (365?) competitor is called?
Heard reliability a shit.
I guess if you never plan to drop the mag.
It's g26 sized.
>Heard reliability a shit.
It is not. Bersa has its flaws, but reliability has never been one. Test it yourself
My man. Had the Combat Thunder since forever and if you don't manlet wrist it you'll never have an issue. I raw-dogged that bitch in a jacket pocket without a holster many a days and didn't clean it for shit before magdumping because I felt like it.
The only one on the market I'm aware of currently is the HK P30SK which I wouldn't really call a "micro" pistol, it's about the size of a P365XL or Shield Plus, so the 1.5-stack subcompact category which IMO is a great sweet spot for CC if you can't conceal a regular compact sized gun.
The Beretta 21a and 3032. While they dont have decockers you can tip up the barrel and pull the trigger to get the same effect
PPK/S
This, fits the bill perfectly even though it's only a compact it's still smaller than most other recs here. Heavy, single stack, expensive, but it's still a great carry gun because it's DA/SA.
>try to load it with modern hollowpoint defensive ammo
ACK!
A picky compact isn't unheard of and you don't really need +p
It's perfectly reasonable that a PPK doesn't run ammo that wasn't a thing until decades after it was designed, but I think buying it for anything other than James Bond LARP at the range when plenty of other designs don't have the same issue is retarded
Well it's definitely a poor choice compared to other compacts but nice gun aside there's not many DA/SA compacts if you don't go for a revolver so it's for once a competitive choice here.
Its ironic the PPK has stayed around, the Cheetah as well. It just goes to show that despite modern striker 9mm carry guns existing, people still desire the classics.
>he doesn’t own the newer production PPK/S
ngmi
But that's the movie gun. Nevermind that it's is shitty, with functioning issues. New production PPKs are the cringiest of the cringe
Sounds like you don’t own one or havent looked into the issues yourself and don’t know what you’re talking about. The latter seems more cringe to me.
Third?ing the P2000sk
I have one with a viridian c5 or something like that and it's pretty minty. It's a little odd the position of the decocker but if you like the HK mag release like I do then it's a great piece, and the interchangeable back straps help with hand size.
I've never shot a rami but my CZs are my favorite pistols, maybe even more so than my USP, so if you get a chance to fingerfuck one and see if it fits your hands then you should take it.
Found the pic. The Veridian lights turn on automatically when you draw from holster, if you want them to. That's fun.
I got mine from multiholsters but last I looked their site was nuked. Not sure what to do about that.
PX4 Subby if you can handle the chonk.
These are underrated
why, because you think they look cool and because everyone says they're dumb? its a 500 dollar subcompact that is too wide for its class.
It's similar in grip length (trigger guard to bottom of magazine) and width to a g26. Most of the chonk is in the slide, which gives it the robocop look.
I can't fucking wait until OP shoots himself in the leg and bleeds to death in his mom's basement because reddit told him he needs a hammer and a manual safety instead of actually buying his first gun and going to the range ONCE to accidentally learn the most basic of handling principles.
>senpai I feel cold even though it's a hot day. is it time to go home yet?
The only correct answer is picrel.
80x Cheetah
>80x Cheetah
Lol. Lmfao
What’s wrong with the 80x cheetah? Out of your budget range?
Just look at it.
Ah I see
The newer production PPK/S has been improved. They have better chamber support, so you can actually run JHPs through them. The gun handles hotter loads better anyway, since the recoil spring is 20#. I put 70ish JHPs through mine and never had a malfunction firing them. I do occasionally get out of battery malfunctions with the 95gr FMJs I train with, like a 1 or 2 every 100rounds. You also need to clean it religiously because it gets caked up fast, which will induce malfunctions like the slide catch failing to lock the slide back. There some ergonomic issues. Some get slide bite, but it hasn’t been an issue for me. It is a bit snappy, but but i don’t think it’s that bad. The only ergonomic issue I’ve had is that the trigger guard is too sharp. Fucker has drawn blood once. I just need to polish it down one of these days. DA tigger pull is heavy at 13#, but I’ve gotten used to it.
The PPK/S can be a reliable gun, but you should kind of know what you’re doing if you want to carry it.
I have one of the old Interarms that feeds Hornady defense loads just fine. Are you talking about the S&W models?
>Are you talking about the S&W models?
yes though I don’t own. A lot people report FTFs with JHPs in their S&W versions. I don’t know much about the Interarms version.
> I do occasionally get out of battery malfunctions
>You also need to clean it
religiously
>There some ergonomic issues.
>Some get slide bite
>It is a bit snappy
>the trigger guard is too sharp.
>Fucker has drawn blood once.
>DA tigger pull is heavy at 13#
That's how a man recommends a new production, 380acp PPK. Pay attention, that's how a fan does it
>being this reddit
None of those points have been real issues for me other than the sharp trigger guard, which is easily fixable. If those deter you, then don’t carry it. You’re coming off like a zoomer pussy
Cope. nuPPK is a piece of shit. Aways was. Enjoy your hollywood prop toy
>buys a Glock cuz non thinking nigtard
>doesn’t think about why malfunctions happen because he lacks the mental facilities for it
>is a pussy
>tells others that they’re coping
The gun industry has terminated your consumer share. Maybe it wasn't selling enough, who tf knows.
The West German Sig 232 is gone
The perfect CZ83 is gone
The Beretta Cheetah 85 is gone, replaced with some ridiculous aberration
The PPK remains as ludicrous and unreliable as it ever was for the last 30 years. A literal Hollywood movie prop
The Bersa is utterly reliable, but that's the only thing positive to say about it
It is over bro, it is so over.
Sometimes I have feverish dreams that CZ produces another batch of 83's and spreads them around the world. Sweet dreams are made of these
you sound poor
Them shitBOXes aresame price I've paid for any of my many optics. And I have many. The 80x has pushed ridiculousness to a whole new level in the gun industry. The tought that a major gun company would have the nerve to launch something so ludicrous is nothing short of devastating. Its disastrous effects will linger on for many years
take your meds schizo
You haven't actually bought a shit80x have you? Tell me it isn't so
Who do you think you’re replying to retard?
To you. Speci
specifically to you.
Wow you’re immeasurably stupid. Read the posts again and tell me where I mentioned the 80x. Fucking schizotards
Yeah fuck you too, bro
Meds. Now. Schizo troon.
Left hand shooter here
...any recommendations on mid range price (400$ish) ambidextrous saftey compact pistol?
Taurus G3 or G2C and I'm not even joking
M&P9 compact or FNS9 compact. Or do you mean a micro compact? The only ones I know of with ambi safeties are P365 and Hellcat, though the safety on that one is too far back.
Absolutely disghuesting.
Where is the CZ83? Where the fuck is it, it should be in full production
CZ83
I will gladly pay $2000 for a brand new CZ83 with the square, berettish trigger guard + 6 magazines
>p320 and p365 now on commiefornia roster
How?
I mean besides that anyone have experience with one of these? I just can't believe I can buy something that isn't a fucking Glock Gen 3.
They have to donate 3 guns per model to the CA DOJ for "testing" along with a $200 fee per model, and a $200 maintenance fee per year to keep it on the roster. The tested guns are then destroyed lmao. It's obviously just a 2A infringement.
Also let's say they wanted to do their base model and the optics ready model, that's an additional 3 initial testing guns and additional $200 fee + $200 per year. If they had like 6 variations they wanted they'd have to do that for all 6. Welcome to a israelite/fag/woman/femininemenwhoworkeasyjobs stronghold state.
did ca get rid of the microstamping (we know its not possible but you need it anyway) restriciton?
Damn, no wonder not a lot of manufacturers go through with all that BS.
They don't require microstamps but they require the manufacturer to provide a spent casing sent to the DOJ to be forensically archived. That's why in other states there's a little packet with a spent case in the box when you buy a gun. If that unit were shipped to CA or another state/jurisdiction with this requirement, the receiving FFL has to send off that spent case to the DOJ or whatever agency does the archiving. It's effectively like a microstamp, they want an imprint of the characteristics of that particular gun's chamber/extractor that it leaves on spent casings.
Doesn't that change when an extractor gets modified/polished? Some taurus guns have qc issues which require polishing/machining off burrs on the extractor to work right.
>They don't require microstamps but they require the manufacturer to provide a spent casing sent to the DOJ to be forensically archived. That's why in other states there's a little packet with a spent case in the box when you buy a gun. If that unit were shipped to CA or another state/jurisdiction with this requirement, the receiving FFL has to send off that spent case to the DOJ or whatever agency does the archiving. It's effectively like a microstamp, they want an imprint of the characteristics of that particular gun's chamber/extractor that it leaves on spent casings.
thats not what i meant
for at least a decade nothing new was added to the roster since having microstamping was a requirement for the gun to pass certification.
i havent kept up on ca but if new shit is getting added to the roster that means theres a new workaround or they got rid of microstamping and way more shit than just 2 guns should be getting added.
Idk, new bullshit laws get added often, but lately they've been getting BTFO by federal courts finally ruling them unconstitutional. I'm finding conflicting information about the microstamps and don't wanna look through Penal Code to find out if it's still in effect. It would make sense as to why the roster is so limited and with such older gun models. Someone said the P365 is on it, it's not currently on the roster. Glock stopped at gen 3 when they'd definitely make more money if they got the 4 and 5 approved, but they haven't. They probably can't submit them without the microstamp but anything currently on it is allowed to continue being sold. No gun manufacturer makes a gun with a microstamp firing pin and iirc it's pretty much impossible and not viable to make it that small to fit on the tip of a pin and strong enough to not wear away. So if they legislated to not allow the grandfathered models then literally zero new handguns could be sold in CA and it would give more reason to rule it an official infringement. They likely don't want to risk that.