Crossbows for SHTF

Thinking through prepping goals rn. Crossbow looks like a good option, as the ammo can be made without access to a workshop or special materials. Also much quieter than a firearm so won't draw attention.
>Has anyone here hunted with a crossbow? How difficult is it compared to a rifle?
>How are the ballistics of home made bolts compared to properly machined ones? Like if you make bolts innawoods from sticks, feathers and flint will you actually be able to hit anything with them?
>How difficult is it to maintain a crossbow in good condition? What tools do you need?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whats the little game called? I forgot.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      innawoods

      A bow is infinitely superior to a xbow in a return to caveman SHTF scenario.

      Won't that take longer to learn for someone who's never used one before? A crossbow is at least held like a long gun and has sights to look down.

      Just go for chemical weapons instead. Completely silent. Invisible. Can be made easily with stone age tech. Just learn some chemistry.

      I'm talking about hunting for food, not some guerrilla war scenario.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Won't that take longer to learn for someone who's never used one before?
        So practice. You're not one of those preppergays that buy a bunch of gear and then don't learn how to use any of it are you?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I will practice with whatever I get. Just don't want to spend a huge amount of time learning a skill that is useless if S doesn't HTF.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Archery is a fun hobby too. I bought a compound bow (easy mode) and after watching a youtube tutorial I was shooting accurately out to 20 meters within the hour.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Why is compound bow easy mode? How difficult is it to maintain in outdoor conditions?
              Also how difficult is it to make arrows for it that will have good ballistics? The whole point of looking into bows is I want an indefinite supply of ammo.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >>How are the ballistics of home made bolts compared to properly machined ones?
                That depends on your skill and care.

                > Like if you make bolts innawoods from sticks, feathers and flint will you actually be able to hit anything with them?
                lolno.

                >Why is compound bow easy mode?
                They have good sights, a much more advanced arrow rest, and the mechanism in the bow has "let off" which means when you're holding the bow back at full draw you don't have to hold its full power.

                >The whole point of looking into bows is I want an indefinite supply of ammo.
                Making decent arrows is a lot more work than you think. It takes skilled labor and not just any kind of stick will work. Making decent arrows from minimal materials is a high learning curve.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Making decent arrows from minimal materials is a high learning curve.
                Out of all the possible bows and arrow types, which would work best with minimal materials? I'm willing to put in the effort to learn if it means I don't have to rely on supply chains for ammo.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Get a 40lb (enough to kill deer with) recurve take-down (you can disassemble the limbs for more compact storage in a backpack) bow.
                It's low enough poundage that you can feasibly make your own string and arrows for it but like the other anon said it's a lot more fricking work than you'd think.
                Otherwise just buy 3 strings, they take no space or weight and buy a bunch of shitty cheap arrows that you can practice with. There are even takedown arrows you can buy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you can feasibly make your own string and arrows for it
                Could you do that innawoods or do you realistically need a workshop?
                Also what's the biggest game you can kill with a sling? At this point I'm starting the think stones might be preferable as ammunition.

                modern crossbows cannot fire wooden arrows, unless you want to spit splinters at whatever you're aiming at, and eat half of them. all of the modern materials used in their construction makes them virtually impossible to fix yourself, if you don't already have materials prepped, like aramid fiber for the string, carbonfiber or fiberglass for arrows, etc.
                you're unironically better off with stupid simple wooden bow, or a gun. the in between is basically bored people fricking around specifically because modern conveniences exist.

                >modern crossbows
                What would stop someone just copying medieval design so they can use wooden bolts?

                Just buy a fricking gun

                I've got even less chance of making a bullet, casing and gunpowder from scratch than an arrow. The whole point is I want an independent ammo supply that doesn't rely on civilization existing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you can feasibly make your own string and arrows for it
                >Could you do that innawoods or do you realistically need a workshop?
                >Also what's the biggest game you can kill with a sling? At this point I'm starting the think stones might be preferable as ammunition.
                >modern crossbows
                >What would stop someone just copying medieval design so they can use wooden bolts?
                nothing, but it wraps back around to being less convenient than the alternatives of a simple recurve, which is faster and simpler, or just, you know, a gun and some spare parts. which is now faster still and will have an equally long service life.
                You can shoot black powder loads out of a Glock. we have left the timeframe where going back to banging rocks is necessary for survival.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Recurve looks like a good idea, I'll look into it. I don't want to make black powder while moving through the woods though.

                https://i.imgur.com/wIbMSDa.jpg

                Would an atlatl work for your goal?

                Possibly. That's actually an intriguing idea. It comes back to the difficulty of making ammunition though. How much time does it take to make a spear with decent accuracy?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They aren't spears, they are darts/big arrows, than are as finicky as arrows. Spears are a lot more easy to make and less warp worthy as darts, wich is the principal way they will screw your ammo in shtf scenarios. Its better to get a bow tbh, or even practice and be good with javelins/spears as they are a bit less acurate but pack a lot more punch.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Seconding what another anon said, making arrows is HARD. Small game hunting with good arrows and a good bow is significantly harder than using a pellet rifle. There’s a reason why Chris McCandless took a .22 into the woods for the rest of his life rather than a bow and arrows; if you truly want to be self sufficient for the rest of your life, get a air-powered pellet gun or a few hundred dollars of .22 lr, and that will easily outlast you in any scenario you can imagine.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I will practice with whatever I get. Just don't want to spend a huge amount of time learning a skill that is useless if S doesn't HTF.
            Archery is also good for your back muscles.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Good point. So longbow would be better than crossbow as it has an additional benefit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why can't you use chlorine on some animals in a valley and than just eat them? I have no idea whether there are any hazards if you avoid eating skin and lungs. And you can decontaminate them at least somewhat by soaking them in water.

        Also making chokepoints if there is possibility of an attack with chlorine traps is quick and easy way of not having to get in contact with an opponent. Alternatively - live in a tower and just gas everything below if they get close.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        crossbows require special ammo if they arent ancient recurve crossbows. they make modern crosshairs to assist with aiming if you are unskilled, they work pretty damn well. regular bows have better range and penetration too

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A bow is infinitely superior to a xbow in a return to caveman SHTF scenario.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just go for chemical weapons instead. Completely silent. Invisible. Can be made easily with stone age tech. Just learn some chemistry.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    modern crossbows cannot fire wooden arrows, unless you want to spit splinters at whatever you're aiming at, and eat half of them. all of the modern materials used in their construction makes them virtually impossible to fix yourself, if you don't already have materials prepped, like aramid fiber for the string, carbonfiber or fiberglass for arrows, etc.
    you're unironically better off with stupid simple wooden bow, or a gun. the in between is basically bored people fricking around specifically because modern conveniences exist.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just buy a fricking gun

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’m sorry for all the bullshit responses you’re getting op

    >b-b-b-but just but le gun or bow. Crossbows bad because they bad ok

    Now here’s my own bullshit response:

    Op you should look into shepard’s slings. They’re more powerful than you think and the ammo is just rocks and stones you can find anywhere. Now the downside is that they take a lot of time to learn to use, but ultimately it is just a fancy rope so they’re really easy to keep with you, thus easy to make any spare time practice time, given you’re in the right place for it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >ammo is just rocks and stones
      How picky do you have to be with the stones? I know they have to be round, but never used a sling so not sure exactly how round. Like would you be able to find ammo while on the move while bugging out?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based. Been thinking about frickimg around and making one instead of buying a bb gun to shoot the tree rats living in my dog kennel roof. Im going to hit them with smsll rocks so i can cut their fricking heads off while they are alive. Been chewing thru electrical cables and i heard them in my van the other night. In the morning it left a walnut shell on both front tires like the cheeky bastard he is. I will not tolerate this disrespect on my own fricking property

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn't a slingshot serve your needs better than a shepherd's sling?
        Come to think of it, that could be a useful SHTF tool as well. Have any anons used them for hunting? What's the biggest game you can kill with them?

        Slings aren't that good for hunting anon, they are powerful and the ammo is plentiful, yes, but to get even midly acurate with one you are talking about decades of training in a semi constant way, even champion slingers are less acurate than a tipical weekend bowmen.
        And I love slings to death.

        >I love slings to death
        How does a shepherd's sling compare to a staff sling or a slingshot?

        They aren't spears, they are darts/big arrows, than are as finicky as arrows. Spears are a lot more easy to make and less warp worthy as darts, wich is the principal way they will screw your ammo in shtf scenarios. Its better to get a bow tbh, or even practice and be good with javelins/spears as they are a bit less acurate but pack a lot more punch.

        >javelins
        Hadn't thought about something as simple as that. How difficult is it to make a decent javeline while innawoods?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The javelin is the easiest to make innawoods, as its simply a wood stave with a sharpened end. Any spruce tree ,straight and growing green could do as a start if its about two to three fingers wide, tough as ever with this kind of stuff, Cured Wood is king, specially of noble wood. Javelins can even be a bit warped unlike arrow shafts/darts, the only but is they have a shorter efective range and its kind of hard to get them where you want, but they are simple, durable and letal, as they were the mainstay to kill boars where I live (as some time the frickers just were too big and bristeld in they hair and fat than arrows had a hard time droping them, a javelin would spear the hog and as they run away they would kill themselves with the javelin imbued, it was a kind of training for war as they used horses).
          Sling staffs relase themselves, but I never used one. Slings are hard hitting (I used old metal pans and even broke a few of the rusted ones) but its hard to aim. Slingshots are very good for shtf as they are very precise and ammo is unlimited, but I never hunted with them. I guess an arrow one could work for minor prey as big as bunnies, but I would hesiate to hunt things bigger, as I don't like to make them suffer a misplace shot. But this is just speculation be me, a dumbass anon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Slingshots are very good for shtf as they are very precise
            What's the time investment for getting accurate with them? Say you practice 20 minutes a day, how long before you can hit small birds?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Depends of the distances, but you can get crazy acurate in a few hours of training at about 10-15m, more I would hesitate to say.
              Now, it depends a lot of the "sling", as there are lots and lots of them, some crazy than look like crossbows and look capable to drop a deer with ease.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >some crazy than look like crossbows
                That reminds me, didn't they have bullet/rock shooting crossbows in the middle ages? IIRC they were used a lot for shooting birds before shotguns were invented.

                Why can't you use chlorine on some animals in a valley and than just eat them? I have no idea whether there are any hazards if you avoid eating skin and lungs. And you can decontaminate them at least somewhat by soaking them in water.

                Also making chokepoints if there is possibility of an attack with chlorine traps is quick and easy way of not having to get in contact with an opponent. Alternatively - live in a tower and just gas everything below if they get close.

                Again, I'm not looking to do some kind of Rambo-tier shit. I'm looking for long-term sustainability - i.e. things you can do innawoods without access to shops to buy supplies.

                >small bird
                use a trap instead of ballistics

                Good idea. Would prefer to have both as an option though.

                Seconding what another anon said, making arrows is HARD. Small game hunting with good arrows and a good bow is significantly harder than using a pellet rifle. There’s a reason why Chris McCandless took a .22 into the woods for the rest of his life rather than a bow and arrows; if you truly want to be self sufficient for the rest of your life, get a air-powered pellet gun or a few hundred dollars of .22 lr, and that will easily outlast you in any scenario you can imagine.

                >air-powered pellet gun
                Well that is significantly better than relying on black powder. Would still prefer not to rely on any pre-manufactured ammo though. Also quite difficult to repair if the gun breaks

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >crazy acurate in a few hours of training at about 10-15m, more I would hesitate to say
                What kind of maximum effective range can you get if you practice regularly?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >small bird
              use a trap instead of ballistics

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Slings aren't that good for hunting anon, they are powerful and the ammo is plentiful, yes, but to get even midly acurate with one you are talking about decades of training in a semi constant way, even champion slingers are less acurate than a tipical weekend bowmen.
      And I love slings to death.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To just throw my 2 cents in.
    As a kid I had a fairly low poundage fiberglass recurve bow that I lost all of the original arrows for and found out how to make new ones with apple wood sticks and bamboo garden stakes.
    It's not that difficult but doesn't yield the same results, all of my replacement arrows were unfletched, you want to use the thicker portion of the stick as the point and ideally fire harden it after sharpening it with a knife. You can make knocks with a knife as well and wrap the arrow below the area with string or fishing line to keep it from splitting. you could make twine from inner cedar bark or several other plant sources to do the same thing. I used to be able to penetrate a haybale down past the knock from around 20 yards using this construction method, I have no idea how it would work against a flesh and bone target though.
    I also made a few bows from random tree branches, find one with a natural even curve to it, strip off all the bark and soak it in water for a week or two then bend it the other way and string it up.
    Ideally though you would use kindling sized pieces of hardwood and round them with a knife since that would create a more consistent shaft. The same method applies to a cross bow I'd imagine and you can either make iron/steel broad heads, or knap flint or other stones to make arrow heads or even use old tin cans or a sharpened point for smaller game.
    Other alternatives to do what you want is to get some kind of muzzle loading flint lock, casting lead is really easy my cousin and I did it with very little specialized tools over a wood fire. you can get a bullet casting mold online and use old fishing weights, wheel weights and other scrap lead to cast bullets. Do it outdoors and avoid breathing the fumes shit is toxic.
    slings are fairly easy to make too I made one as a kid from a few pieces of butcher twine, a key ring and an old worn out shoe.
    You can also go full on caveman and make a throwing stick for small game.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It's not that difficult but doesn't yield the same results
      How different are the results in terms of range and accuracy?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ready for SHTF

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How are you carrying all of that without a bag?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Would an atlatl work for your goal?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A compound bow or crossbow can dangerously fail if you use the wrong arrows, gotta match spine/weight to draw weight etc. You'd be better off with something homemade rather than modern fiberglass/carbon/polymer stuff. Nothing some spring steel couldn't solve

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How safe are homemade bows then? Can you recommend any resources on how to make them?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have a cheapo crossbow and a cheapo longbow.
    The crossbow hits hard (385 fps/131.5 ft lbs as advertised) and is dead accurate at 30-40 yards with almost no practice. See the split bolt in picrel. It just takes longer to reload because you need to use a wienering rope to pull the string back. You have to wax the string periodically and lube the rail every 10-20 shots. If the string or the limbs break in SHTF you are fricked because you need a special press to restring them. Parts are also going to be nonexistent. The bolts are finicky and you need to make sure that your bolts and your crossbow work together.
    The longbow takes more practice to get good with but you can sling arrows a lot faster. Mine is only a 30 lb draw. You can string and unstring the bow with no tools using the leg/foot/butt technique. It's also more fun tbh. There are no moving parts so there is a lot less shit to break in SHTF. It's also easier to source or make bows and bowstrings during SHTF. I would imagine that homemade arrows would be more forgiving as well.
    A compound bow would be the best of both worlds but it has similar issues to the crossbow regarding parts and repairs.
    TL;DR I think a basic longbow would be the best in SHTF because its simple and user serviceable.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So you could maintain a longbow without contact with civilization then? How long exactly does a longbow have to be? I've heard that medieval English longbows were around 6 feet, but could you make it a bit shorter and still have a decent draw weight?

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