To avoid wasting anyone's time, I'm going to get straight to the point - I have basically nothing and I need to buy some guns. I live in rural Oregon and need recommendations, and I just got a sizeable inheritance.
What we have now:
A Ruger 10/22 equipped with a single 25 round magazine. Pathetic. I know. Shut up.
What I'm looking to get:
A handgun each for myself and my wife. She stands 4'11" and needs something she can get a firm grip on easily, while I'm more or less comfortable with anything I hold. So far I'm considering a Glock 40 since I currently have nothing and I'm new to handguns, but down the line I'm considering a Five Seven. The wife is insistent on the "Lady Smith" because it's her "meme gun" - and that's about as much thought as she's put into the matter - but she does want something effective that she can handle easily in spite of that.
A shotgun. I'm currently leaning toward a Benelli M4 since I prefer semi-auto to pump action.
A semi-automatic rifle. I do have the budget for a Daniel Defense AR-15, and so far I'm looking at the DDM4V7. Mainly I'm looking for something I can obtain ammo (relatively) easily for right now that won't fail on me, although I have no experience owning anything in a semi-auto rifle platform and likely won't care whether it's an AK or AR as long as I can spend a decent amount of range time with it.
A bolt gun. Looking at the Remington 700 or 783, I'm just not too sure what I should get one chambered in.
Obviously I'm going to need to put optics on some of these things or otherwise modify them for useability, so I also need suggestions on attachments.
All input welcome. I'm budgeting about $25k for weapons and ammo out of what I got.
What do you intend to shoot, and from what distance? Plinking soda cans in the back yard usually has different requirements compared to downing police helicopters circling above your compound.
This is for general self defense while in public, hunting, and defense of my home/family.
The rural nature of where we live involves wolves and other wildlife being seen regularly, and hunting is something I've realized is a good skill to develop.
When I say "spend time at the range" I'm not referring to soda cans in the back yard; I live within a reasonable distance of a membership-based formal gun club equipped to practice out to 1k yards and has a separate archery field.
To go a bit further, there is no police department where my family lives. If we need the sheriff, it's a 30 minute response time. Functionally, if something happens, we're on our own and we need to be able to defend ourselves. You know - the whole "when seconds matter, police are minutes away" sort of thing.
Not him but I’d like to chime in.
>glock 40
Glocks are good but 10mm is a lot of gun for most people. I’m talking serious power and recoil (I’m sure another anon will come in here and call me a sissygay for saying this). Get a 9mm, it’s good enough for nearly any situation other than a bear charging you, or maybe .40 if you feel 9mm isn’t enough (it is plenty enough). It will be much easier for your wife or kids if they ever need to shoot it.
Personally I’m partial to CZ-75s, my favorite being the SP-01
>benelli m4
A good gun no doubt but you will be paying a heavy meme tax for it. Remember it’s the “le ebic John wick gun” shotgun, and has a price to match. Also there are only short slug barrels available for it. I would suggest you get a benelli m2 or beretta 1301 and grab an extra barrel so you can make it more useful for say bird hunting. It’s hard enough to hit a dove in the air, no reason to handicap yourself with a 20 inch barrel. Shotguns are very versatile.
>DDM4 (full disclosure I’m a califag who only owns gimped ARs)
Very good gun don’t get me wrong but man they are pricy. You sound like you want something out of the box so I would suggest a S&W M&P15. Yeah it’s probably not as nice as a Daniel defense but so what. ARs are a good example of the 80/20 rule. You could also build one from PSA parts for ~500 and have it be really good. But you got the money to drop if this isn’t larp.
On the topic of “tactical” guns maybe you should look into getting night vision. Seeing at night is a superpower, doubly so when your adversary can’t. I suggest you get a PVS 14 from any of the known dealers, we have a thread here about NVGs. I got my PVS-14 from custom night vision and I couldn’t be happier. You will need an optic to use with it, Eotech EXPS-3 or Aimpoint t2, the latter is my preference
>Remington 700
Don’t. Weatherby vanguard in a caliber of your choice. Tikkas are also really good.
>Oregon
Are you allowed to own anything there? I thought you guys were as far left as North Korea.
Found the guy who thinks Portland represents Oregon.
For all intents and purposes, it does.
>Handgun
Get your wife and yoursrlf to a gun range and see what pistols feel good and you shoot well. Preferably get one for each of you in the same caliber.
>Shotgun
M4s work and will be lighter shooting. Just dont expect to use them for bird hunting. A good pump can also be had for sub$300. Get a good pump alongside the M4.
>SA Rifle
Dunno your climate or what part of oregon you are in, but if lots of snow and big gloves needed often get an AK. If not an AR15 will be fine. AR10 would be a better choice though. Little heavier but 762 nato/x39 will punch the forest/foliage better than 556.
>Bolt Gun
R700s can be good but theres no support for them currently. I hear good things about tikka rifles and other sub $1k rifles. Depending on how far you want to shoot and how far your line of sight is, 308/300wm will likely be your best bet. Arken makes a decent scope for the money, vortex will also do you just fine starting out.
No need for attachments, learn to shoot with irons. Once you are good and comfy with shoot get a red dot for the Shotgun/AK, Acog for the AR15/AR10 and the Arken/Vortex for the Bolt. Whatever guns you decide on get 20 mags for each.
Winchester Model 70, Smith & Wesson Model 10, Colt 1911/FN HP, Remington 1100/870, Ruger Mini 14, Colt SP1/SP2. HK91 is also good but its pretty pricey, and occasionally you can find FAL's or FNC's. Springfield makes an M14 but the reciever is cast, find one that was made from GI larts and your good. Then buy a bunch of ALICE and M1956 surplus webbing, and you can still find piles of old woodland and tcu fatigues. Maybe get an old M1 helmet if your feeling up to it.
Do you have a specific purpose for most of these? Just asking in the interest of making good suggestions.
that is pathetic. get a 10 rounder for it, as God intended
>A bolt gun. Looking at the Remington 700 or 783, I'm just not too sure what I should get one chambered in.
x-bolt is better and go .300WM because you'll actually have room to shoot far out west.
also .300WM has been kinda funnily cheap last few years, you can stock it at barely over a dollar per round.
>t. has an X-bolt in .300WM
>G40
Not even mad its a Glock(disgusting). 10 MM chads rise up.
>4'11" Wifegun
She has tiny child hands. Good starting place is a Shield EZ in .380, but it's hers so let her pick. Take her to a gun store, have her hold some stuff, see what's comfortable, get her something she'll actually shoot. Like other anons said: if there is a range in your area that lets you shoot their guns then do that. If she really wants the lady smith just look for light .38 loads and she'll be gucci.
>Shotgun
Benelli makes good guns. What are you planning to use it for? home defense, clays, ducks, dove, etc.? Makes a lot of difference on what model you would want.
>Buying a prebuilt AR
I would just buy an AP lower and build my own so that I'm getting exactly what I want. It's not much more complicated than a lego set, you can find youtube videos covering every single step of assembly, and it's a great way to learn how your rifle works and how to maintain it. Any retard can build an AR15 in an afternoon. Don't be intimidated by it.
>or an AK
Or? You can afford both. AKs are fun. They're low maintenance. Their parts last forever. They shoot a different, widely available cartridge with different advantages and disadvantages vs 5.56. They make good AKs in the US now, and they're cheap. Get a PSAK G3 blem, put cool shit on it, rattlecan it, larp with it.
>Bolt gun
Remington isn't what it used to be, but you could shop around for a classic 60s model in 30-06.
Otherwise: what are you using it for? Deer? Long distance shooting? .308 is a good choice for caliber regardless. I also like my Howa 1500 quite a bit.
>What else
Winchester 94 in 30-30.
.22 pistol of your choice
some kind of 9mm for yourself, I like my CZ75
I think single action revolvers are fun, YMMV
Very good post. Though I'd suggest you get a 9mm as your primary carry gun rather than a 10mm even though 10mm is cool.
muh 9mm ghetto blaster on a farm. Yeah.
If he's innawoods in Oregon he's probably more worried about stumbling onto a black bear than having to deal with the differently-advantaged behavior of future astronauts and young scholars.
>gays here will just tell you too buy muh urban larper glock and ar anyway
Le vidya urban homsex magdumperinos of arg great at supplying school shooters with shopping ideas not so great at shooting
I told him to buy the most boomerfudd firearms possible besides advice on automatics he said he wanted but OK.
Only need PSA AR-15 everything else is a luxury and reduces to personal choice.
Get a lot of beans and bullets first.
Here is the exhaustive chart of weapons still legal in Oregon
Current meta is Winchester shotgun with a broomstick
Why don't you learn to shoot. You can spend 25 grand and it won't buy you that. gays here will just tell you too buy muh urban larper glock and ar anyway
Buy a reloading bench and a CZ centrefire in 270 with a 10x fixed scope on see through mounts a CZ 22LR bolt action and a silencer, a 357 or 44 Mag revolver and a semi auto shotgun and a Kevlar vest that can stop 9mm 22 and birdshot. Don't fuck around pointing guns at people you don't know in rural areas or you'll get yourself killed. get yourself a drone and a flir scope and some digital night vision as the illuminator is great for throwing up wold eyes or whatever. Get a lot of brass and primers and power and learn to work up a load. Get shotguns primers hull and wads and loads Get lessons in shooting rifle kneeling, standing and prone and in shooting your handgun and take some classes in skeet. Get a rangefinder with an inclinometer and a kestrel wind and humidity gage and a spotting scope. learn what a zero means and what a cold bore shot and a group is. Stop there and when you feel you need more get yourself a battlerifle in 7,62 or 308.
A fool and his inheritance soon part.
ywnbaw
Its a 9mm Luger! /arg/ will love that!
why not buy your armory with money you earn working at your job.
>imagine leaving someone in your will and they buy $25k worth of dildos and crack.
>A Ruger 10/22 equipped with a single 25 round magazine. Pathetic. I know. Shut up
Never say something like that. It is no shame to be in a place where you are starting out.
As for your shotgun choice the M4 is probably the best unless you want something a little more traditional like an Auto-5 since you want Semi Auto instead of a pump in which case I would suggest a Supernova.
Getting an expensive AR like a Daniel is okay if thats what is really in your heart, but I believe it would be superior to get one that is a good bit cheaper and then spend the rest of the budget on a good optic and a load of ammo.
As for bolt rifles you can double up by getting a Remington 700 in .223 but if you want something in a larger caliber then get something in 300 winmag.
Buy one or two guns and a LOT of ammo. Shoot them a lot, develop skills, determine what you like and don't like about them, try different optics, then buy more guns. If you just go and buy ten guns tomorrow you will eventually discover that there are four of them that you never feel like using and two or three of them that you hate.
Remingtons are shit guns for poor fags and always have been. Look at Winchester, Browning, Sako for bolt guns.
If you can fucking hustle in the next two days and put your order packet in the mail by Friday you can get a US surplus 1911A1 from the CMP. They are closing the window for new orders and it will probably be a few years before it opens again. Order a Garand too while you're at it.
Go back to California. You aren't one of the good ones. Your mind has been shifting up Oregon for 35 years, it's a mere corpse of what it once was and you California morons aren't content just leaving it be, you insist on raping it until it goes cold.
Here are my suggestions
>.22
10/22 is a good bet
>handgun
Go to a gunstore and feel a bunch of them, if you can, shoot them. Go with whatever feels the best from a reputable brand.
>Shotgun
The m4 is a nice gun but very pricey for what it is. A model 5 is a great cheaper alternative, an ithica 37 is also a great gun that's not too expensive, but it's a pump.
>Semi auto rifle
A DD would be a solid choice, a FN15 M4 would also be a good AR. Don't bother with off the shelf Aks nowadays, they just arnt worth it unless you are a collector. If you like bullpups the AUG is decent, but if you just want a workhorse semi auto in 5.56, an AR is the best option if you are american.
>Bolt gun
Lots of good choices, A pre 1964
winchester model 70 and the tikka t3x in .308 are solid choices. If you are on a budget the Ruger American will do the job.
>Attachments
If you want a no frills solid optic get an acog, ive also found the higher tier vortex scopes to be very good. A surefire scout light would also be a good investment.
You got any spare .35 rem for a poor beggar?
I'm struggling myself, only have like 300 rounds.
Nothing pathetic about a 10/22. Don't put yourself down. Ol' reliable there is enough for 90% of what nature might throw at you. You're here to cover the other 10%.
>The wife is insistent on the "Lady Smith" because it's her "meme gun" - and that's about as much thought as she's put into the matter - but she does want something effective that she can handle easily in spite of that.
Yeah that's fine. A Walther CCP might be a good idea as well.
>A bolt gun. Looking at the Remington 700 or 783, I'm just not too sure what I should get one chambered in.
That's not fine. Remington has poor QC. Get something from Sako or Tikka.
Other than that the list looks fine. Get a more concealable pistol for yourself as well. A Glock 43 would be acceptable. A Kel-tec P32 in a pocket holster is a very useful thing to have.
Ruger 10/22 isn't a bad starting point. Nothing to be ashamed of since it's useful for learning fundamentals and inexpensive pest control/light hunting. There will always be a use for it.
Glock 40 is less than ideal. Shooting a handgun well is really difficult, and you are making things much harder by jumping into a high recoil+high cost per round cartridge. Stick to 9mm for now and maybe upgrade to 10mm later. Besides which 9mm is a standard military cartridge which is a good reason to use it.
Ladysmith is a usable CC gun but really hard to shoot as well.
Five Seven is a pure meme gun, fun but don't bother.
Benelli M4 is expensive but genuinely good.
DDM4 is also expensive but pretty good. Hard to say if it worth the money since good ARs are so cheap, but you can afford it.
Remington 700 is meh nowadays and the 783 is a shit tier budget version. Stay away. There are many better bolt actions, or better yet go for an AR-10 of some sort.
>AR-10 of some sort.
>Get a gun that weights fucking 18 lbs to lug around innawoods
Do not do this.
You can easily get or build an AR-10 with optic weighing less than half that. An 18lb AR-10 would be some stupid long barrel/HB benchrest gun.
>Build a short barrel AR10
This is somehow even worse advice.
Who said it needed to by short barreled?
One of my mates managed to get his 20" AR-10 down to 10.5lb including a 2.5-10x scope. He took it hunting all through last season and it's a nice fucking gun.
>20 in
>10.5 loaded with glass
post it
>post it
How? It's not my gun mate.
I can't remember all the parts but the barrel, handguard, buttstock, cheek riser and grip are carbon fiber and the BCG is titanium. I assume he's gone lightweight for everything else too.
>fucking 18 lbs
you are obese
The budget is the most important part of this discussion. You're going to run out pretty quick if you go gucci, plus you need to factor in how expensive optics get for high quality.
Pistol: Beretta 92 langdon tactical
wife pistol: Let her get the ladysmith, she'll be more apt to actually shoot it. Eventually get her a shield-EZ or a SIG P365XL with a red dot. She'll like it more.
Shotgun: FN SLP, or any shotgun you find comfortable to hold load and shoot. Test things out.
Semi auto- DDM4V7 is fine. Literally any AR is fine. Just get a quality optic + stock + grip and the rest is gravy.
Bolt gun: Buy a SAKO. Just do it. Buy SAKO or MRAD, put a swarovski on it and never ever look down at us poors again.
>I need to buy some guns
Why? Define want you want to do first, then figure out what fills that instead of just buying things. You want a shotgun, but are you hunting with it, defending the house with it, both?
A bolt gun? Again hunting, or long range competition? It matters.
Handguns? Getting concealed carry permits, or just home defense? Wiling to train and learn or not?
theres absolutely nothing wrong with a 10/22, theyre a lot of fun
Nuguns should not own the Glock 40 in 1 centimeter
Ice fairies shouldnt either
>The wife is insistent on the "Lady Smith" because it's her "meme gun"
Have her try a Ruger LCR.
As for the rest, don't waste money on Gucci guns. Any plain-jane AR and gas fed shotgun will do fine. And for the love of god do NOT buy anything that says Remington on it. Their fall has been tragic.
PS: Load up on ammo. It is a commodity now, and has been for years, and our government has found out it can manipulate it -- as with all else -- through created crises.
>handgun each for myself and my wife. She stands 4'11" and needs something she can get a firm grip on easily
S&W Shield or SIG P365X should be a decent size for her to comfortably grip and still be able to control while learning how to shoot
>I'm considering a Glock 40 since I currently have nothing and I'm new to handguns, but down the line I'm considering a Five Seven.
if you're dead set on 10mm but not married to a Glock, also look into the M&P 10 with a flat faced trigger. It comes out to about the same price as the Glock but with upgrades out of the box that you'll probably end up with anyway such as metal sights and a better trigger
>A shotgun. I'm currently leaning toward a Benelli M4 since I prefer semi-auto to pump action.
>that's hard to beat in a semi auto shotgun
>A semi-automatic rifle. I do have the budget for a Daniel Defense AR-15, and so far I'm looking at the DDM4V7.
5.56 is now cheaper than 7.62x39mm according to a quick look on ammoseek
You can save a few hundred bucks by going with a Sons of Liberty Gun Works EXO rifle for the same quality. Sionics is also good at a reasonable price
>A bolt gun. Looking at the Remington 700 or 783, I'm just not too sure what I should get one chambered in.
.308 and 6.5 Sneedmoor will be the easiest to get ammo in and good out to several hundred yards
>optics
Holosun makes serviceable red dots at relatively low prices. Despite the PrepHoleope, no, they aren't as good as Aimpoint or Trijicon, but they aren't airsoft grade red dots either
the Primary Arms PLxC 1-8 is one of the most praised LPVOs at the moment and it costs only a little more than a 1-6 Razor
ACOG/RMR combo is always relevant
Eokek if you're primarily going to shoot under NODs, otherwise, other reflex sights are better and weigh less
2 glock 19’s
Steyr aug a3m1’s for 556 guns
Bergara bolt action instead of remshit
Beretta 1301 shotgun
Thats it, thats the list. I’ve got nearly 200 guns now, and if I could only do one in each category with the size requirements, this is what I would do.
>A handgun each for myself and my wife.
Go to the store, find ones you like, take a course or two. Don't buy blind and don't get meme'd.
>A shotgun. I'm currently leaning toward a Benelli M4 since I prefer semi-auto to pump action.
What are you going to use it for? A semi-auto shotgun used for three gun is going to have little in common with one used for HD, which will have little in common with one used for goose hunting which will have little in common with one used for upland birds, etc.
>A semi-automatic rifle. I do have the budget for a Daniel Defense AR-15, and so far I'm looking at the DDM4V7. Mainly I'm looking for something I can obtain ammo (relatively) easily for right now that won't fail on me, although I have no experience owning anything in a semi-auto rifle platform and likely won't care whether it's an AK or AR as long as I can spend a decent amount of range time with it.
Okay, same question applies: what, exactly, are you going to use it for and what are your other criteria? Do you want something you can access in a truck? Do you want something easy to carry? Do you want something to hunt elk with? Do you want wood furniture? Do you want milsurp? Do you want something vintage and classy? Are you going to compete with it?
>A bolt gun. Looking at the Remington 700 or 783, I'm just not too sure what I should get one chambered in.
Yet again: what do you want to do with it?
You're in a rush to put the cart before the horse. Why not just pick a kind of shooting you want to do, get something suited for that kind of shooting and then refine your tastes from there? I get that you're excited but you seem to be starting from "I want to spend lots of money on guns" instead of "I want to do X with a gun"; you're basically the wet dream of salesmen everywhere. You need to know what you want to do before figuring out what you need to do it.
>You're in a rush to put the cart before the horse. Why not just pick a kind of shooting you want to do, get something suited for that kind of shooting and then refine your tastes from there? I get that you're excited but you seem to be starting from "I want to spend lots of money on guns" instead of "I want to do X with a gun"; you're basically the wet dream of salesmen everywhere. You need to know what you want to do before figuring out what you need to do it.
This man speaks sense
>Handgun
1cm is based but 9mm is the more practical choice, especially for someone new to guns. Your first pistol should be something that's cheap and comfortable to train with.
A Glock 19 is the obvious choice but as far as I'm concerned a S&W M&P, Walther PDP or Beretta APX are all much better guns.
I'd also suggest getting something something a bit smaller as a dedicated conceal carry gun. Sig P365 or similar. Maybe an LCP II or S&W Bodyguarad if you want something really small. If you don't want to buy two pistols then I'd go for a Sig P365 XL or XMacro over any of the Glock 19 alternatives above.
>Handgun for wife
Get her the Lady Smith, if she likes it then she's going to be more likely to carry it and train with it.
And then get her a semi-auto as well. The Sig P365-380 Rose is literally made for her.
>Shotgun
Why? Shotguns are versatile but if you're already buying a semi-auto for home defense and a bolt gun for hunting then the only niche your shotgun has left is skeet shooting or bird hunting in which case an M4 ain't your best choice.
If you just want a shotgun for the sake of owning a shotgun then I get that but blowing M4 money on a gun with no legitimate use case is a shitty decision. If you're actually going to use it for hunting or 3-gun then, sure, go ahead but otherwise it stinks of onions boy consumerism
>Semi-auto rifle
Yeah, a DDM4V7 is fine as far as ARs go. LMT are pretty great too, I bought an AR-10 from then and it shoots like a dream.
My suggestion would be an AUG; it's reliable, it's battle-proven, and you don't need to compromise between a short overall length for navigating doorways/corridors vs an extended barrel length for optimal ballistics. I bought an AUG rather than an AR for my first rifle and now I can't help shilling them.
>A bolt gun
Can't help you there. I do my long-range shooting with my LMT MWS and my hunting with an Uberti 1886.
One of my mates has a Tikka T3x and another a Ruger American, both seem fine.
don't waste your money on stupid shit. for handguns find a range that does rentals and buy whatever you like shooting the most. definitely don't let your wife buy a j frame without shooting one. the m4 is extremely overpriced for what it is. if you want a semi auto the m2 is functionally justasgud and like half the cost. for the ar you can get a psa and then replace whatever parts you aren't happy with and it will still be cheaper than anything gucci. for the bolt action look at a howa 1500 or a tikka t3 in 308 or 6.5 sneed.
Ruger 10/22 is dope. Get that P90 stock for it.