>Created a superior oscillating design that has better accuracy for 5.7 at half the cost
Why would someone buy the FN instead of the S&W model?
>Created a superior oscillating design that has better accuracy for 5.7 at half the cost
>Created a superior oscillating design that has better accuracy for 5.7 at half the cost
Why would someone buy the FN instead of the S&W model?
>ported slide
Not a soldier's weapon.
NOT A SOLDIERS WEAPON?
S'unreliable
>tight tolerances
>full length guide rod
Unreliable
>ported slide
>Not a soldier's weapon.
Really gets the noggin joggin
I don't know what went on in that trails. Like one look at one would wonder how all the gunk and dirt would render the action inoperable. Should've kept the 1911, TWO WORLD WARS
Literal idiot
says the autist that can't detect satire
ditched because it's a POS.
It follows the approach of "so open the recoil just kicks things OUT". in the 1980s trials the m9 did just fine in the desert condition. Exactly what made it a desert isnt clear, whether they blew sand on it etc. But the army had 0 concerns with it.
Where are the ports bro?
M9 has really really big ports.
Ffs the barrel is totally exposed, what a peice of shit.
>you
Not a soldier. Will never see a battlefield. Will only LARP
based comfy larpers enjoying the fruits while zog bots get thrown into bullets
>smith & wesson
they buy FN's to flex on the poors or larp as sam fischer , literally no other reason.
PSA is selling the rock today for $320
you can buy a rock and like 2000 rounds for the price of an FN
Would unironically prefer the PSA that had the first 100 rounds go through it successfully for war than deal with
Idk man. M9 did just fine for decades.
M9 will inherent the boomer gun title from the 1911 because of this thought process
And which was that?
There is legitimately nothing wrong with the m9, that includes its open slide design and it wasnt replaced with something better, but with something a sidegrade at best.
Hardly comparable to the 1911, which has multiple deficiencies compared to a high capacity 9mm handgun.
The open slide on the m&p 5.7 is a nonissue.
I was referencing holding onto old ideas simply because they worked in the past. That resistance to innovation is boomer shit. I agree that the sig is pretty shit, tho.
TWO GULF WARS
JOHN MCLANE'S GUN
The Five-Sevens, especially used, have tanked in price. Then at least you're not buying a PSA.
That's because they're not good guns.
>dogshit trigger despite being single action, seriously why are all 5.7s like this
>feels cheap as fuck
>sights are kinda crappy and not very durable
>why the actual fuck is the safety there, who comes up with this bullshit
five seven is a dogshit pistol that FN should have aborted and replaced with something good.
trigger despite being single action, seriously why are all 5.7s like this
It's hardly a bad trigger, I don't know what guns you use but it feels fine. It's a duty handgun trigger, is better than my Glocks, HKs, S&Ws, Steyrs, etc. Not as nice as my match guns but it's at least on par with any duty gun.
cheap as fuck
Not really? That seems like an extremely subjective critique. I do understand where it comes from on a surface level but I disagree.
are kinda crappy and not very durable
Okay what the fuck are you smoking? They're adjustable metal LPA sights, they're gold standard.
>>why the actual fuck is the safety there, who comes up with this bullshit
This I kind of agree on at least. I've gotten used to it by just using my index finger and I'm not too fond of a lot of thumb safeties in general. If you want to talk about retarded controls, the slide stop/release is fucking stupid.
>It's hardly a bad trigger
It's a fucking awful trigger.
>is better than my Glocks, HKs, S&Ws, Steyrs,
You're smoking crack, and none of those are single action hammer fired.
>They're adjustable metal LPA sights
>duty gun
>adjustable sights that freely wander
nope
>Not really? That seems like an extremely subjective critique. I do understand where it comes from on a surface level but I disagree.
It feels like a toy because all FN plastic guns are cheap as shit, and it also has that fugly plastic shrouded slide.
Most guns $200 cheaper than the 5-7 are much nicer than it. None the same price as it are anywhere near as shitty.
My CSX is single action hammer fired and has a far worse trigger, I also own many older handguns which have abhorrent triggers despite also being SAO duty guns. Complaining about what is a "meh" trigger is genuinely a skill issue. LPA sights sit on all of my shotguns, and are present on a lot of my handguns and I've NEVER had an issue with them wandering freely on ANY gun.
>My CSX is single action hammer fired and has a far worse trigger
two things
>lol S&W
and
>did it cost as much as a five seven?
>I also own many older handguns which have abhorrent triggers despite also being SAO duty guns
Why can't Euros just copy the 1911 properly? Are they retarded?
>>did it cost as much as a five seven?
Not quite but the Five-Seven was a whopping $150 more used just this year on Gunbroker. Which is still a bit under your average used Five-Seven but not by a large margin anymore, maybe $25-$50 outside of the dumb fuck IOM models. Not everyone is autistic about triggers, and especially not for police or military use. Considering a huge chunk of them used the Hi-Power for decades it really doesn't surprise me that they don't care too much about autistic trigger quality besides the Swiss and Danes with the P210s.
>Not everyone is autistic about triggers
They should be on a $900 meme gun.
>and especially not for police or military use
I don't think you can hide behind the duty use argument when your 5-7 isn't issued to you, and as you point out loads of duty guns have and have had excellent triggers. P226, 92fs, PPQ, CZ75, 1911, P210, all mog the 5-7 and all have seen more extensive duty use.
Anon, the slide is covered in plastic. That's why it feel cheap.
>It's hardly a bad trigger
For its price its god awful.
this is cope used by people that bought FN , when the rock is superior in every way
>better capacity
>better price
>better ergos
>better sights
>holster compatibility
you're a wagie that saved for one, and now you're upset there is a cheaper and better option so you cope
>Saved
Mate the FN isn't expensive, I'm just not sure where half of these grievances come from. Trigger is a literal nothingburger in my mind, not everything is a 1911 nor has to be.
>PSA Rock
>Better
I guess we'll find out soon enough since I bought one a few weeks back. Fucking PSA taking ages to ship anything nowadays. They took a month to ship my Steyrs as well.
The plastic slide cover is nice though, can be replaced with ease for different colors or optics ready options nowadays. It's plastic but isn't chinsy feeling plastic imo, but I agree that I understand where it comes from, I just disagree that it feels cheap. Again, there's a lot of guns out there in the similar price point that have equally or worse triggers. FN triggers are never the greatest and I suspect that's the magazine disconnects they've been using since the 1930s because my BHP triggers feel quite similar. I don't think it's particularly bad, but it's not good. Trigger autism is fucking stupid and this is coming from someone who owns close to as many various types of handguns as Burt, some of which have phenomenal triggers. $900 or not means nothing on the grand scheme.
Why would anyone buy either?
Because there is a made up rumor that the S&W 5.7 projects 100fps slower then other 5.7 handguns. But I have yet to find any studies on this.
Until then. The S&W is King.
I hadn't heard that but 3 things would affect it. Barrel length, obviously but also type of rifling and porting. It is possible that if you went to a slightly shorter barrel with grooved (as opposed to polygonal) rifling, and porting then you might lose 100 fps or more. However, I believe the barrel on the S&W is actually a hair longer and the rifling is the same. On the other hand, it's ported. Velocity is probably about the same.
because the S&W looks retarded as fuck
Looks less retarded than the FN at least and it holds 22 rounds.
I think it looks good. Esp in FDE.
>Why would someone buy the FN instead of the S&W model?
aesthetics
Come to the fold.
Gee billy, why do you get to have two barrels?
Bottom fires .22WMR
FN has video game cred. S&W is ugly as fuck
Booooolets!
>Be s&w
>Meme action won't cycle
>Add barrel length until it does
>Ooof the slide will be stupid long
>Decide to chop the slide and just thread it
>Oof need to cut more material out to get it to run
>Advertise it as suppressor ready
>Won't run suppressed due to meme action not having enough velocity with can weight
It's trash. Anyone advocating this gun doesn't know anything about its development.
ive shot one with a .30 can on it and it worked fine
Lol the QR code on the gun. What is it for anyway? Kinda spooky.
It's the serial number. It's because it's way simpler for inventory management and for armories.
>Only comes in baby shit brown
>>Only comes in baby shit brown
no it comes in black, FDE/black, and full FDE which is the most expensive but I think it looks the best.
>oscillating design
What
It's something they made just for the S&W 5.7. It uses the rotational velocidensity of the bullet to harmonize the barrel's resonant frequency. The result is a significant improvement in precision.
Only thing I don't like is the stock threaded cap. Are there any aftermarket alternatives? The new FDE beretta has a better looking cap.
Theres a reason they're so cheap
>T sent mine back 3 times and received multiple different flavors of off center bore's
sold the fucking thing after i got it back the last time. fuck smith and wesson and FUCK FEDEX
You wana risk Smith's QC? It's worse than PSA but they never get any hate because they're a legacy brand. What you pay for with the FN is QC and reliability of a proven design.
I'm thinking about getting this as a daily car defense gun, and as a winter jacket gun. Based on videos i'm impressed by its non-existent recoil and the velocity of 5.7, and of course the 22 rounds in a flush design. It's like having a rifle in your hand for self defense.
Why not get some other 5.7mm pistol?
because of the meme action that interests me. only other 5.7 pistol I like is the p50 kel tec, so I guess I will need to make a decision between the two.
>Internal hammer-fired, gas-operated, locked-breech TEMPO™ barrel system (barrel doesn’t cam open until bullet passes gas port).
This is what S&W says the action is. I don't see what's so special about it. Can it be suppressed easily or something?
Its a gas delayed locked breech pistol.
Its very novel compared to the prolific browning style tilting barrel.
All the 5.7 pistols use meme actions. The Five-seveN and Ruger 5.7 use the Bergmann action for example. Don't know what PSA uses.
PSA is a tilting barrel.
How would you describe a bergman action?
The FN looks like a run of the mill delayed blowback to me.
because the S&W is fuck ugly
I just bought an FN Mk3 and the fact that it has a magazine trigger safety and is only an "MRD" instead of a "tactical" with threaded barrel is dumb. Threaded Five-Seven barrels are like $400, so just keep that in mind if you ever intend to suppress it.