>it's just Australia >Fleet grounded in Norway, has agreed to axe >Fleet grounded multiple times in NZ >Fleet grounded in Australia, has already axed >Netherlands refused to accept further deliveries due to 'some 100 shortcomings found in relation to the design, manufacturing and material choice of the aircraft'. >Spain makes huge order, gets first batch, delays buying the rest until issues are sorted >Portugal cancelled >Sweden replacing theirs now
The list goes on..
It's got so bad that NHIndustries is offering free repairs to avoid further cancellations of NH90 programs (see Norway). Issue is so bad and part availability is such an issue the French signed a contract to increase part availability in collaboration with NHI (June 2022).
Basically the only people not complaining about these are the French, Germans and Italians and that's because they co-funded and developed it (Airbus, Fokker, Leonardo).
We brought H60s for a training exercise with the Spaniards. Our birds are two decades old, ageing L models with steam gauge cockpits, used to shit, beaten to all hell, and without proper maintenance... And they still somehow performed better than the Caimans on their own home turf...
Just the fact that those fucking things need to peel away from the formation to do a max power every time they fly is boggling my fucking mind still. Fully expect Lockheed to secure a provisioning contract to Spain in the near future.
UK voted to leave Europe so they're no longer European
British people have never really thought of themselves as "European" thats for shitty small Eurotard countries that have nothing going for them and lack identity so they brag about being europeeeen instead.
>unless it's Navantia
Right, the S-80 is a complete success. Lol.
This. I like how it looks. Why is it so shit?
3 different manufacturers involved, 20 clients, 23 variants.
>it's just Australia >Fleet grounded in Norway, has agreed to axe >Fleet grounded multiple times in NZ >Fleet grounded in Australia, has already axed >Netherlands refused to accept further deliveries due to 'some 100 shortcomings found in relation to the design, manufacturing and material choice of the aircraft'. >Spain makes huge order, gets first batch, delays buying the rest until issues are sorted >Portugal cancelled >Sweden replacing theirs now
The list goes on..
It's got so bad that NHIndustries is offering free repairs to avoid further cancellations of NH90 programs (see Norway). Issue is so bad and part availability is such an issue the French signed a contract to increase part availability in collaboration with NHI (June 2022).
Basically the only people not complaining about these are the French, Germans and Italians and that's because they co-funded and developed it (Airbus, Fokker, Leonardo).
>Basically the only people not complaining about these are the French
Are you sure? Here's an interview of a french captain from the Marine Nationale by a french defense journalist about it. At one point he comments on the NH90's readiness and vents his frustration:
?t=1462 >Great machine? >We're happy about it except for one thing, it is common to read in the press about the catastrophic readiness of the NH90, it is true it's far from being at the level we expected. In general we have 10 to 12 helis in line in a 27 strong fleet, that is really not great, even if there are plans by industrialists to remedy to this. However once the machines are in line they have a good availability. >So their availability is good but maintenance time too high? >Exactly, it's linked to many issues, logistic difficulties, which are linked to the industrial set-up, there are also variant problems, namely the variant of the one I showed you is very different from the first variant delivered in 2010. It was already enhanced, except the first helicopters not delivered to this standard spent quite some time with the industrials to get to this standard.
Saying this despite devoir de réserve is telling. Devoir de réserve, or Duty to be silent, is valid both during and after a soldier's service, and a concept so impactful it was used by general James Mattis himself, although he's american, to justify his stance about Trump: >https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbaldoni/2019/09/02/james-mattis-the-duty-of-silence/ >Mattis did not bite on the question, explaining his thoughts with the French phrase, devoir de reserve—"the duty of silence." Mattis explains, “If you leave an administration, you owe some silence.
So speaking like that of the NH90 was very taboo and yet it happened. Make of it what you will.
Helicopter is fine for most part, at least tactical transport variant. What sucks is supply chain. They can't keep up with routine spare parts deliveries when French and Italians deploy bit over dozen aircraft abroad and their spare parts are priority over everyone else. We are talking about parts ordered years in advance. Finnish army had hard time keeping all the pilots qualified at one point due to spare part shortages and lot of aircraft being non flight worthy due to that.
Naval variant of NH-90 is whole other mess as its weapon systems are far more complicated and even more delayed.
I'm looking forward to Aussies and Swedes retiring theirs, maybe Finnish army can buy some second hand examples for spare parts cannibalization, that way we might have a reliable source of spares.
I genuinely don't understand how did it end up so bad.
Other Eurocopter products are quite solid, but the NH90 seems cursed with the suckness, somehow.
>I genuinely don't understand how did it end up so bad.
Politically mandated procurement, politically mandated cooperation in development and manufacturing combined with politically mandated logistics chain. >Other Eurocopter products are quite solid, but the NH90 seems cursed with the suckness, somehow.
I wouldn't trust anything coming Airbus helicopters that isn't evolution of decades old models like Puma derived designs, H135 or H145.
H135 and H145 aren't clean sheet designs. H135 is essentially MBB Bo-105 with more composites, prior to mergers leading up to Eurocopter and current airbus helicopters it was originally designated Bo-108. H145 is MBB-Kawasaki BK-117 with more composites, BK-117 itself based on design of Bo-105. Just like Puma and its further developments, both of those are machines with decades of history before current incarnation ever made its first flight. Not much different of modern day Huey variants to be honest.
I genuinely don't understand how did it end up so bad.
Other Eurocopter products are quite solid, but the NH90 seems cursed with the suckness, somehow.
before the even the absolute basic variant was finished, everyone chimed in their super snowflake variant.
insufficient testing and fucked up contracts also led to really bad maintenance and parts schedules.
I genuinely don't understand how did it end up so bad.
Other Eurocopter products are quite solid, but the NH90 seems cursed with the suckness, somehow.
Safety shit. I don't fucking know the exact reasoning to be honest. Back in the Vietnam days they just threw something together and called it a day now you need 1,000 rubber stamps.
this a joke or are there actually statistic concerning that?
might be hard to find out if somebody pozzed themselves considering it's a difficult subject to talk about for most people
That's why Australia will never buy euroshit again, unless it's Navantia.
>NH90 in Europe doesn't crash
>NH90 in Australia crashes
What could they possibly mean by this?
>it's just Australia
>Fleet grounded in Norway, has agreed to axe
>Fleet grounded multiple times in NZ
>Fleet grounded in Australia, has already axed
>Netherlands refused to accept further deliveries due to 'some 100 shortcomings found in relation to the design, manufacturing and material choice of the aircraft'.
>Spain makes huge order, gets first batch, delays buying the rest until issues are sorted
>Portugal cancelled
>Sweden replacing theirs now
The list goes on..
It's got so bad that NHIndustries is offering free repairs to avoid further cancellations of NH90 programs (see Norway). Issue is so bad and part availability is such an issue the French signed a contract to increase part availability in collaboration with NHI (June 2022).
Basically the only people not complaining about these are the French, Germans and Italians and that's because they co-funded and developed it (Airbus, Fokker, Leonardo).
We brought H60s for a training exercise with the Spaniards. Our birds are two decades old, ageing L models with steam gauge cockpits, used to shit, beaten to all hell, and without proper maintenance... And they still somehow performed better than the Caimans on their own home turf...
Just the fact that those fucking things need to peel away from the formation to do a max power every time they fly is boggling my fucking mind still. Fully expect Lockheed to secure a provisioning contract to Spain in the near future.
It's a massive lemon and anyone shilling for it needs a fucking bullet
>Type 26
>Aukus
Etc etc, or do you not consider the UK european?
Yea. UK are not eurogays
Ty Ausbro.
British people have never really thought of themselves as "European" thats for shitty small Eurotard countries that have nothing going for them and lack identity so they brag about being europeeeen instead.
UK voted to leave Europe so they're no longer European
>unless it's Navantia
Right, the S-80 is a complete success. Lol.
3 different manufacturers involved, 20 clients, 23 variants.
>Basically the only people not complaining about these are the French
Are you sure? Here's an interview of a french captain from the Marine Nationale by a french defense journalist about it. At one point he comments on the NH90's readiness and vents his frustration:
?t=1462
>Great machine?
>We're happy about it except for one thing, it is common to read in the press about the catastrophic readiness of the NH90, it is true it's far from being at the level we expected. In general we have 10 to 12 helis in line in a 27 strong fleet, that is really not great, even if there are plans by industrialists to remedy to this. However once the machines are in line they have a good availability.
>So their availability is good but maintenance time too high?
>Exactly, it's linked to many issues, logistic difficulties, which are linked to the industrial set-up, there are also variant problems, namely the variant of the one I showed you is very different from the first variant delivered in 2010. It was already enhanced, except the first helicopters not delivered to this standard spent quite some time with the industrials to get to this standard.
Saying this despite devoir de réserve is telling. Devoir de réserve, or Duty to be silent, is valid both during and after a soldier's service, and a concept so impactful it was used by general James Mattis himself, although he's american, to justify his stance about Trump:
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbaldoni/2019/09/02/james-mattis-the-duty-of-silence/
>Mattis did not bite on the question, explaining his thoughts with the French phrase, devoir de reserve—"the duty of silence." Mattis explains, “If you leave an administration, you owe some silence.
So speaking like that of the NH90 was very taboo and yet it happened. Make of it what you will.
Everything you see in this video was validated by the SIRPA.
Why did the best looking heli have to be so shit.
This. I like how it looks. Why is it so shit?
Helicopter is fine for most part, at least tactical transport variant. What sucks is supply chain. They can't keep up with routine spare parts deliveries when French and Italians deploy bit over dozen aircraft abroad and their spare parts are priority over everyone else. We are talking about parts ordered years in advance. Finnish army had hard time keeping all the pilots qualified at one point due to spare part shortages and lot of aircraft being non flight worthy due to that.
Naval variant of NH-90 is whole other mess as its weapon systems are far more complicated and even more delayed.
I'm looking forward to Aussies and Swedes retiring theirs, maybe Finnish army can buy some second hand examples for spare parts cannibalization, that way we might have a reliable source of spares.
>I genuinely don't understand how did it end up so bad.
Politically mandated procurement, politically mandated cooperation in development and manufacturing combined with politically mandated logistics chain.
>Other Eurocopter products are quite solid, but the NH90 seems cursed with the suckness, somehow.
I wouldn't trust anything coming Airbus helicopters that isn't evolution of decades old models like Puma derived designs, H135 or H145.
> Puma derived designs, H135 or H145.
What are you smoking?
H135 and H145 aren't clean sheet designs. H135 is essentially MBB Bo-105 with more composites, prior to mergers leading up to Eurocopter and current airbus helicopters it was originally designated Bo-108. H145 is MBB-Kawasaki BK-117 with more composites, BK-117 itself based on design of Bo-105. Just like Puma and its further developments, both of those are machines with decades of history before current incarnation ever made its first flight. Not much different of modern day Huey variants to be honest.
before the even the absolute basic variant was finished, everyone chimed in their super snowflake variant.
insufficient testing and fucked up contracts also led to really bad maintenance and parts schedules.
I feel vindicated that at least 2 other anons like how she looks.
Make that three
It might be a bit retarded but it’s such a good looking piece of tech
She looks really good
especially in her beach outfit
It looks cool though, so it gets to stay.
I genuinely don't understand how did it end up so bad.
Other Eurocopter products are quite solid, but the NH90 seems cursed with the suckness, somehow.
I heard it has been a nightmare just to get the appropriate approvals for a GPMG doorgun on the thing.
why do you need approvals for sticking a fucking m240 or similar on there?
Safety shit. I don't fucking know the exact reasoning to be honest. Back in the Vietnam days they just threw something together and called it a day now you need 1,000 rubber stamps.
You shouldn't have GPMG as helicopter door gun in this day and age.
True and glad to see they got something on it finally.
Why are there so many western equipment DnC threads at the moment.
helicopters are more dangerous than having anal sex with an HIV patient.
this a joke or are there actually statistic concerning that?
might be hard to find out if somebody pozzed themselves considering it's a difficult subject to talk about for most people
HIV has less stigma now and even then autopsies exist
idk works in my cunt