Could Zeon have actually won the war with they just focused on capturing the other Sides and the Moon rather than waste all their resources trying to occupy Earth?
Could Zeon have actually won the war with they just focused on capturing the other Sides and the Moon rather than waste all their resources trying to ...
Only if the Big Zam was mass produced
No no no Big Zam is too Small
No. They failed to put all of their funds into the one thing that could destroy the Feddies' new mobile suits. Pic related.
I'm just here for the Char reaction images. I love to cosplay him at conventions. Zeon did nothing wrong and Australia deserved the colony that was dropped on it. Military wise, if Zeon would have developed the Apsaras faster and mass produce it then they could have won the war.
You go pics?
I can't think of a more based look than a Prada red leather coat with regalia.
the apsaras III got fucked up by one gm sniper and a discount gundam, it wouldn't have done shit
It was basically a smart missile it sort of made sense with minovsky particles to make something like that.
so thats like saying trident couldnt defend itself from its launcher being torpedoed.
Depends on several things really, the first being if Op British had succeeded on it's objective and smacked Jaburo instead of the colony breaking up in the atmosphere. Failing that, the second would have been if Revil's rescue failed, in which case the Feds would have pushed with it's surrender.
Assuming both failed though, the first would be not squandering a good chunk of their vets and aces on trying to take out White Base from the war. The second would be them pushing both the UMP and the Gelgoog earlier so that they weren't tossing students unto High Performance machines which they couldn't handle and wasting resources in the process. Finally, Char not having his revenge boner being fed early and winding up with Garma dead as well as Gihren stop being literally Hitler.
The reason Zeon wanted White Base out of the war so badly is because the purpose of its voyage was to deliver military tech to the Federation. Without the data from RX-78, Federal mobile suits would have remained decisively behind Zeon counterparts. They needed to squander those aces because there isn't a world where the V Project is successful and Zeon still wins
>Assuming both failed though, the first would be not squandering a good chunk of their vets and aces on trying to take out White Base from the war.
They only wasted Char, Rambal Ral and the Black Tri Stars. they didn't even send their top aces after the White Base. If you want that, they'd have sent Brenev Auggs after them, and he even nerfed his killcount because a lot of times he let his wingmen finish off the enemy so they could get kills.
Also the Black Tri stars would have beaten Amuro, but his new type hax kicked in during that battle. Likewise if Ramba Ral got his Doms like he requested, he would have won.
Zeon should have continued to obitally drop massive objects from beyond lunar orbit. Hell, use the moons gravity as an extra slingshot. Hell, use every Feddy friendly colony as a massive gravity bomb. Also, can someone explain to me why Char doesn't just get a hybrid Zaku made from Gundanium? Is it just plot armor and shit? I'm tired of that homosexual Amuro getting bailed out by plot armor and other bullshit. It's clear to everyone watching and reading that Char is the better pilot, but Amuro is saved by having superior technology.
Char should have been the main character. He was better written and had a better story. But sadly the board of directors wouldn't have approved it and it probably wasn't as easy to self insert for viewers. So we got stuck with the homosexual Amuro.
A blonde hair, blue eyed space nazi would definitely be a hard sell to an American audience (not so much for the viewers, but definitely to the israelites in Hollywood). But everyone fucking loves him, because who doesn't love a nice revenge story?
you're acting like Char didn't become the single most overexposed character in the entire franchise anyway and probably one of the most iconic character in anime.
I don't recognize any gundam that's not in the UC.
Grimy Zeke hands wrote this post. Step aside for the best pilot of the entire One Year War.
But he is the main character that persists through to Zeta and CCA, and got the Origin prequel series too.
have a nice day homosexual amuro is based
Nah
it took an entire series for amuro grow up.
ironically Amuro was basically at his peak in cca with Char at this worse.
https://youtube.com/shorts/9atzq8Rfnp4
it's pretty ironic how Sayla basically disappear after Zeta but her archetype is as pervasive as char and Amuro's
He is the main character of the entire early UC. (0079-Hathaway) Every important event or decision ends up pinging on him.
>wait Char is the main character?!?!
>always was
This. Also f*d mobile suit designs look gay as fuck. From the RX-78 all the way down to the GM, the Guncannon, the Guntank all of them. Each one somehow magically more queer than the last.
>Zeek
>Accusing anyone else of being queer
No, he's a fucking insane homosexual, while Amuro is an actual cool dude with actual human problems and human capabilities. He's just much less of a repulsive shell of a man. His struggles are endearing, not just sociopathic attempts at filling the hole left by his dead parents who only saw him as an extension of their selfish ideals. Also if you want Char to be the main character, watch Gundam The Origin.
>watch Gundam The Origin
Which is shit because they forced on the Char flashback chapters, where he's unironically the anime equivalent of the Navy SEAL copypasta.
At least it gave us more fodder for this meme
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On paper, the Gelgoog Char gets is mechanically superior to the Gundam in almost every way. But in true protagonist fashion, by the time Char gets the Gelgoog, Amuro's become a better pilot and his newtype abilities are more powerful giving him the edge. By the last episode of the show the Gundam is outclassed by most of the shit it fights, and only wins out because Amuro's become a paranormally good pilot.
Zeon didn't sign the Antarctic treaty as a sign of good will. The Federation was nuking Side 3 and Zeon couldn't stop them otherwise.
In the One Week War both parties lost 50% of their population.
That's not accurate, Side 3 was untouched throughout the war because it was furthest away from everyone. Even after the conflict was over when it should have been burnt to ashes in retaliation.
The only people they lost from the homeland specifically were soldiers.
The Federation never actually launched direct nuclear attacks on any colonies, only reason colonies were getting nuked was during that early period when both groups were openly using nuclear warheads against each other in combat (Either ship-launched or via Zakus and their nuke bazookas) and fighting was taking place around colonies, obviously leading to collateral damage.
If anything the Federation was particularly, some might say ridiculously, reluctant to step up and match the antics of the Principality of Zeon when it came to the Genocide Olympics.
It was probably due to their souls being held down by gravity.
At this point I'm pretty sure "Souls held down by gravity" is codeword for "Not suffering mental degradation and insanity due to the congenital damage caused by living for generations in low-gravity exposed to cosmic radiation".
Anaheim were the only real source of Luna Titanium during the war and they were firmly fed-aligned and fortified to hell and back. Maybe if they'd blitzed the moon during the initial stages of the war they could get some, but even the Federation didn't have enough to use it for more than a handful of prototypes.
Von Braun(half of the moon) was neutral like side 6, but Granada was occupied by Zeon. It's yet another typical moment where Anaheim(moon israelites) were supporting a side to kill the other side while pretending to be neutral. Once they got what they want(absorbing Zeon MS corps post-war), they started selling both side weapons delaz/feds and Titans/AEUG.
they failed because they agreed to the terms of the Antarctic Treaty. They should have kept nuking earth.
I've just started watching the original gundam, but I have to ask, why do people keep fighting for the Earth Federation if they're such shit?
Not sure if you're done it yet but watch Gundam Origin if you want a prequel to the original tv series that explains how things got to where they did.
Because while the feddies are bad, Zeon somehow manages to be worse.
This. The best chance of Zeon actually being a decent alternative to the Federation was when Char was in charge, but he threw it all away for salty runback with his rival, who proceeded to beat the shit of Char so hard that he cried for Indian space mommy.
>Because while the feddies are bad, Zeon somehow manages to be worse.
Yeah it's amusingly like the current Israel/Hamas mess. Like, Israel has spent its entire existence oppressing the absolute shit out of the Palestinians and ever since Hamas took over has purposefully left 'em to split the Palestinians more explicitly to undermine any real peace. They called occasionally killing hundreds of gazans "mowing the grass". They have overwhelming superiority. All the elements were there for Hamas to be noble freedom fighters, who went in and then went after just military targets, embarrassing the Israelis badly while still maintaining at least EU support. It'd take real work to be much worse.
But god damn if Hamas didn't put in the real work to be absolute fucking monsters, like, comic-book tier villain. Gleefully kidnapping or murdering old women and children/babies, butchering every last civilian they could. "Both sides" gets way overplayed but sometimes both sides really are fucking shit including the "poor oppressed minority".
UC timeline actually indicates that the Federation was an illegal government, in gross violation of its founding charter. Earth based mega corps also conspired to keep the killing happening because they could turn a profit on military contracts.
The Zabis were objectively the bad guys with like two of them having a shred of decency and a third growing up to be decent as she was an infant during the war of '79. Zeon as it was intended by Zeon Zum Deikun wasn't actually that bad. The Zabis were the ones who truly fucked it up. The reason why so many in universe continued to flock to the Zeon banner after the war was because of the incredible number of human rights violations perpetrated by the feddies AFTER the war.
Both governments were vile, the only material difference is that one lost the war. And yeah Zeons just had to go 100% full throttle ALL THE WARCRIMES BUCKET LIST SPEED RUN.
...
so guess it really is just like real life lmao
>UC timeline actually indicates that the Federation was an illegal government, in gross violation of its founding charter.
Literally just Unicorn revisionism. Zeon was gay and nothing can save it.
>Actually acknowledging the retcons of Unicorn
Anon...
Which is funny because in Narrative and Hathaway’s Flash nobody even fucking acknowledges those parts of Unicorn. It’s literally all forgotten about.
If I didn't know any better, I'd argue the Zabis were controlled opposition planted by the Feds.
>Hijack Zeon away from a moderate who just wants independence
>Go full GAS THE FEDS SPACE WAR NOW
>Actually gas your fellow spacenoids
>Somehow every subsequent spacenoid independence movement is just an offshoot of Zeon, and thus tainted by Zabi assholery
Isn't the point of controlled opposition that you control them and not cause billions of deaths?
Zanscare or Cosmo Babylonia weren't related to Zeon.
>Isn't the point of controlled opposition that you control them and not cause billions of deaths?
nta but looking through history it depends. When a smaller niche of a population ends up pulling a lot of strings, what's good for them may not be good for the general population. Ideology can be a helluva drug too. The US did lots of shit in the Cold War because OMGCOMMUNISM that frankly was fucking stupid from a self-interest standpoint. Lots of destruction of democracies and supporting of dictators and terrorists that really came back to bite us in the ass over and over again. "Controlled opposition" (like Osama Bin Laden say) may well be "controlled" right up until suddenly it isn't.
But again sometimes it's just "one side kinda shitty, other side absolute monsters" and there is no "good side" except on the individual level of the people where both sides have good people trying to make the best of a shitty situation.
shalom, other thread, we hate israel here newfag.
Earth fed is basically an analogy for the old european colonial power and US world hegemony as a whole.
That's just Unicorn revisionism.
lmao
know why the New World is called that, and the Old World is called that?
Gundam is based on Silver Age scifi, most especially Isaac Asimov, which goes deep into themes of entrepreneurial pilgrims fleeing the stagnating, decaying old world and making their new lands into a better place, then turning around and fighting a war of independence (literally 1776 replay) against the Old World oppressors
the Japs may or may not have intended it, but that is what they cribbed
Finally an opportunity to post this
>wall of text filled with feddie cope
Hilarious
>succinct explanations of why Zeon is bad is cope
>hurr durr sieg Zeon, muh ideals
Shut up, loser.
Best as I can tell, Zeon isn't even Nazi Germany as much as they are Russia or Hamas (to connect to topical events) - that is, they are borderline subhumans who lash out with retarded thuggery for no reason.
Forget the "muh ebils" part of their actions, they don't even bring a pragmatic benefit.
What the fuck does gassing your own nominal allies accomplish?
Space naggers.
They're an Imperial Japan allegory, right down to the interservice rivalry between the Zabi siblings (which each command a different military branch).
I agree, the closest thing to a real world government is Imperial Japan during WW2. Although it isn't 100% match it has alot of overlaps. Even up to Zeon being out numbered by the Federation and Zeon being obsessed with the theory of a "decisive battle that can win the war!" like what the Imperial navy tried in WW2.
>Zeon is a small nation surrounded by Federation colonies ruled over by Earthnoids but populated by other spacenoids
Imperial Japan is a small nation surrounded by Western colonies ruled over by Whites but populated by other Asians
>In an attempt to preserve its independence, Zeon embarks on a campaign of militarization and modernization
In an attempt to preserve its independence (read: avoid getting gang-raped Boxer Rebellion style by the West) Japan embarks on a campaign of militarization and modernization.
>The Federation sees this as a threat to their power (because it is) and cuts off trade to Zeon
The United States sees this as a threat to its colonial ambitions in the Pacific (because it is) and institutes an oil embargo on Japan
>Zeon's "iDeAlS" are hijacked by aggressive militarists (the Zabis)
The Meji Restoration is hijacked by aggressive militarists (Tojo and Co.)
>Zeon invades various other colonies and does several warcrimes against other spacenoids
Groriousu Nippon invades Western colonies and does several warcrimes against other Asians
>Zeon launches a dastardly surprise attack which is extremely devastating to the Federation and puts them on the back foot (the colony drop)
Japan launches a dastardly surprise attack which is extremely devastating to the US and puts them on the back foot (Pearl Harbor)
>Zeon is initially very successful and wins several major victories against the Federation due to having developed a highly effective new weapon (the Zaku), and embracing a new form of warfare which is highly effective against the Federation's traditional fleet tactics (mobile suit warfare)
Japan is initially very successful and wins several major victories against the US due to having developed a highly effective new weapon (the Zero), and embracing a new form of warfare which is highly effective against the US's traditional fleet tactics (carrier aviation)
Cont.
>Ultimately however, Zeon is no match for the superior numbers and overwhelming industrial advantage of the Federation, and the tide begins to turn as the Federation develops new weapons that are superior to Zeon's (the Gundams and GMs) and are able to produce them in greater numbers
Ultimately however, Japan is no match for the superior numbers and overwhelming industrial advantage of the United States, and the tide begins to turn as the US develops new weapons that are superior to Japan's (the Hellcat and Corsair) and are able to produce them in greater numbers
>Meanwhile, Zeon's leadership is hamstrung by fierce internal rivalries and infighting, and wastes resources building strange and/or redundant prototype weapons in very small numbers, while the Federation focuses on refining and mass producing a smaller number of basic but very effective designs
Meanwhile, Japan's leadership is hamstrung by fierce internal rivalries and infighting, and wastes resources building strange and/or redundant prototype weapons in very small numbers, while the US focuses on refining and mass producing a smaller number of basic but very effective designs
>A decisive Federation victory at Solomon signals the turning point of the war
A decisive US victory at Midway signals the turning point of the war
>Zeon is pushed back into their own territory and surrounded in a series of decisive battles, ultimately fighting a suicidal last stand at A Baoa Qu before being defeated by the Federation
Japan is pushed back into their own territory and surrounded in a series of decisive battles, ultimately fighting a suicidal last stand at Iwo Jima/Okinawa before being defeated by the US
>A decisive Federation victory at Solomon signals the turning point of the war
Unironcally in lore the decisive turning point of the war was at Loum. Zeon may have won the battle and heavily damaged the Feddie fleet but the casualties Zeon incurred, they never recovered from, only worsen with Odessa, Jaburo, and leaving Earth.
Now that I think about it, Loum was Pearl Harbor, Japan's landgrab was the invasion of Earth and the stalemate afterward reflects Midway/Odessa. I'd argue that Solomon parallels island hopping more then Midway due to it being used as a staging ground for a baoa qu/side 3/moon
The Antarctic Treaty was the turning point. It forced Zeon to overextend and get ground up in a war of attrition.
The Feds would have burst Side 3 like balloons with nukes without the treaty way faster than Zeon could crash colonies.
Zeon went into the negotiations expecting the Feds to surrender. Instead they lost Revil Shogun and had to agree to wage conventional war.
>Revil Shogun
Based Revil, if he was still around the Universal Century would have been a better place.
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER REVIL
With what we've learned about Loum, it was a major success for Zeon, since they didn't even plan a 2nd colony drop, it was just a false intel Zeon leaked to the Feddies to lure their fleets that were hiding at Luna II into a deceive battle.
Which Zeon got and while they were losing the ship to ship battl,e the mobile suits turned it into a route, where the Federation fleets attempted to retreat, and used the colonies as human shields, which we all know how that went.
And that's why Japan loves to self-insert as them so much.
It's pretty obvious that Tomino hate the old imperial gov. In Zambot3 during the first scene where human bombs are introduced he plays the imperial navy march and for having seen over 9000 anime no other anime dared to do that.
Just makes it depressingly ironic how his native audience jumped so hard on the
>>SIEG ZEON!!!
train, to the point later writers in the franchise further it with their ability to influence canon.
UC gundam isn't as clear cut as was real life. The feds were corrupted and used the colonies to deport a lot of people while the rich people enjoyed life on earth. The idea of the small colony cluster fighting against all of the federation seem noble to some people. So imagine the American revolution but Washington got assassinated by some nagger federalist who put himself and his family in power while purging all the democrat-republican founding fathers. Even if they lose, you'd still have people cheering for the idea of freedom against the eternal albion. If you saw anything else than Gundam0079, you'd know full well that the feds barely deserve to exist too.
>0080
Make weapons on a "neutral" colony
>0083
Make nuclear weapons(breaking the treaty), whole leadership is corrupted and keep shooting itself in the foot so their clique can be the one taking all the credit
>Zeta
Titan gassed more colony than Zeon even dreamed of
>ZZ
The feds didn't even fight against Axis and let her get side 3 for free while a single AEUG ship had to fight all of Axis by themselves
>CCA
The feds give Char's Axis after their leader were bribed with gold when Londo Bell kept telling them he would just drop it on earth(which he almost did)
There are blue Hizacks too but those are for Feds units who aren't part of the Titans.
I remember an episode(forgot which) where the Titans were using actual Act Zaku(rare MS that's highly mobile with early laser rifles, previously only in books and concept art) or when AEUG attacked Jaburo the feds/titans had white goof(which indicate that they are the H model who can fly and hover without a base jabber or a doddai).
The Antarctic treaty was a wartime treaty signed between the Federation and the Principality, which after the war no longer existed and was no longer valid.
The Titans were a rogue military taskforce operating under their own oversighty that when their crimes were revealed were ejected by the Earth Federation.
You keep describing crime by new-new-new zeon groups in trying to paint the Federation as equally bad when their biggest sins were being slow to act and hesitant to start yet another war.
UC Gundam is not a grey-vs-grey morally ambiguous conflict, its grey vs DEEPEST BLACK (with at most a few flecks of grey in there representing individuals in the depths of Zeon who aren't monsters). The atrocities committed by Zeon are so horrifying and ridiculously over the top that nothing in life can be compared to them, they are more like those of some sort of monstrous alien invader race in a sci-fi movie.
Then why did they have to hide that were starting to make MS for nuclear weapons?
>rogue
Even if they lost control over them, the fact they lost control is a problem in itself. They still let them use Fed bases and supplies for half of the Z anime and they only got ejected after the anime when Titan had simply cease to exist already. Titan got away with gassing colonies, trying to drop a colony on the moon, assassinating a member of the earth assembly and attacking the assembly during a session. If you think they weren't shielded by earth's elite so they wouldn't be associated when Titan was going to be dropped, you are either the dumbest nagger or arguing in bad faith. The moment the Titan leadership was dead and nothing could be traced back to the fed elite, only then was the Titan formerly disbanded. However the Titan enablers remained in power.
>describing crime by new-new-new zeon groups
I been talking about the feds, Whataboutism-tier accusations won't shield your gay ass fed leadership.
They been told by their own people to not accept Char's offer yet they got bribed and accepted. In 0083, you had 3 camps: one took it seriously, one didn't but had dealings with Cima and the last one tried their best at fucking the first camp so they could look best and have the political power to form Titan. Even in 0079, you had the fed leadership trying to fuck shit up only for Revil to make them stand down. In ZZ, you had the fed leadership putting Bright in prison and forcing the Argama to be retired. People were living in misery by ZZ, but the anime stilled show the Fed elite as richfags who goes to balls/party organized by the Axis Zeon.
The fed leadership are all rootless tyrants(in the ancient Greek meaning) and pointing fingers at Titan won't save you when they are part of your gang, you enable'd them and you shielded them. There is a legitimate reason to hate the earth elite and since Zeon was the only alternative that's why people root for them.
cont
AEUG can't be called an alternative. By the end of ZZ, all the actual leadership of AEUG was dead and all that was left was a single ship crewed by children and commanded by Bright which didn't last long before Anaheim started using it for their own gain until the ships basically rebelled and went to side3 against the orders.
How do they deal with space?
Also english Gihren Greed is a thing, Gihren Greed Axis no Yabou V has been translated into english for a couple of years by now. It has basically all the MS/MA/ships from 79 to CCA(with some hatthaway ones), I doubt the hoi4 mod went as deep on that detail. Gihren's information and balancing is canon unlike an hoi4 mod. Finaly Gihren's gameplay is very different from hoi4's gameplay. Hoi4's gameplay is just "set up a frontline, then give the order to advance" while Gihren had a lot of interesting tactics especially with the aqua MS. I doubt the hoi4 mod has proper aqua MS autism which is important to Zeon in 79.
ZZ is fucking trash, with writing quality worse than fanfic tier.
still canon.
Space is a separate theatre, with all sides and asteroids. Its treated like a naval campaign. Game starts in 0075 and you really setup your faction how you want. By 0078 you have options for solar ray, operation british, and all the other shit. Once you form the Earth Corp the game allows you to earth drop using stockpiled equipment. Its incredibly fleshed out, i would say it has more overall choice and what if scenarios than psp gihrens greed, (only gg ive played). The mod has a team that puts autistic detail into everything, it is something to check out, if you can handle the complexity.
Why is HOI4 so expensive even for the base game?
Its all the gay dlcs. The OYW mod doesnt use all the dlcs but you wont get market options to buy weapons on open market, spy agencies, and like design your space ships. I personally just bought a 3 month dlc subscription because im not buying each one but you are missing cool chunks of the game i.e. ship designer if you dont have them.
What DLCs does OYW use specifically?
Apologies but i dont really know, the Mod is kept up to date with all DLCs so it does work with the latest version. The only DLCs i would miss are, one adds Ship designer, and another adds Spy agencies, those are well built into the mod.
Because as long as you don't bounce right off it, you can easily rack up thousands of hours without running out of shit to do.
There are loads of sales though. On G2A you could probably get the game and all major DLCs for the price of one brand new AAA game.
Can you post the world map? Sound better than I first though since hoi4 isn't ideal for a space-earth battlefield.
Pdx, the company who make it, are notorious israelites who will shit out over 9000 dlc which they all cost 20dollars minimum for barely anything.
Don't expect them from ever lowering their price, just pirate everything or at the very least the dlcs.
>hoi4 isn't ideal for a space-earth battlefield
Correct, but what easily moddable game with actual combat mechanics is?
The alternative would be to make an indie game from scratch which would, let's be honest, probably never get finished.
The closest game that I found that does this was Star Wars: Empire at War. It was essentially two modes of conflict, space battles and ground battles, both of which are RTS in nature. Additionally, all of it was wrapped in a turn-based campaign map that had 4X qualities. It was super fun.
+1 for star wars empire at war. Especially the second forces of corruption game. Those were amazing and have some great mods too.
Heres my current campaign, I converted to straight Zeonism in 0078 and created an Early Neo Zeon. Things have stalled on all fronts though...not looking good. Just need to get enough Gelgoogs out on the field.
If that's the entire space map in the bottom left then you have it pretty much on lock, no? Which presumably gives you boosts to production, or a national spirit, or something?
Hoi4 modders almost all assume you have every DLC. Kaiserreich stands out as a high effort mod, and one way they do that is by having it be compatible with any combination of DLCs owned or not owned.
If you do get the game you have to try out Kaiserreich at some point. The big German rework is expected to drop in a couple of weeks, other than that China is the most high-effort area of the mod but honestly only India, Spain, and a few countries with no content at all (Philippines, Hungary, Burma...) are shit to play.
Yeah I have almost totally conquered space, just need to finish off the Earth orbit Satellites. Its basically what my plan jhinges on as Earth becomes a logistical quagmire once you spread out and then the Feds start producing GM and Gundams in 0079. Its kindof setup like a race, you cannot beat the Feds in an attritional war.
Interesting, Hoi generally doesn't feature much asymmetrical warfare since everyone normally has the same tech tree. Most you get is occasional situations where one country is just objectively more technologically advanced (e.g. Japan vs China, early war at least) or different countries spec into different areas (e.g. in multiplayer it's common to have South Africa make shitloads of heavy tanks and barely anything else)
I cannot rave about this mod enough, it has every detail and more from all the series and mangas. the coolest bit is as Zeon you are poised to develope everthing early, ships, better weapons, MS, you name it. but if you stall out the Feds will over come their sluggishness and will later on develope better weapons. Youll still be stuck pumping out Zakus to feed your supply while their working on better and better designs. your hardly in a spot as Zeon to change up supply production for better designs, its a very neat balance.
>pdx
Paradox Interactive? If so as a Stellaris nigga I know this pain as well. They just released another dlc for it.
That's why Japs shill for them so hard even amongst writers of the franchise.
>They're an Imperial Japan allegory
I shocked that this isn't more obvious to people
>(mobile suit warfare)
>(carrier aviation)
exactly
>Zeon may have won the battle and heavily damaged the Feddie fleet but the casualties Zeon incurred, they never recovered from
>Loum was
Battle of Santa Cruz, where even though the US lost a carrier, the Jap pilot corps was totally destroyed
To me, Zeon is more of an amalgamation of the Axis powers, with the aforementioned Imperial Japanese interservice rivalry, plus German aesthetics, their initially superior technology and combat experience, inferior resources and industrial capacity, and above all, insane levels of strategic hubris.
Zeon, the interservice rivalry of Imperial Japan, German aesthetics, and competency of Fascist Italy
>competency of Fascist Italy
Zeon almost won the war diplomatically and almost won the war militarily after that broke down
Sure they do loads of dumb shit in the show itself but in terms of feats they can't be compared with Italy
Yeah, that's cope.
You lost, homosexual. Why would anyone in the Federation need to cope?
>We wuz the good guys n sheitt
Cope.
Doesn't matter, still won, and you're still mad.
"Won"
No need for quotation marks, zeke homosexual. Zeon ceased to exist and the only homosexual that kept going with that shit was fucking Hathaway Noa, kek. No matter how you slice it, you lost, Federation won. Stay mad.
So much emotion wasted over a cartoon.
What are you talking about? That literally happened back in '79.
Let me guess, you were born in 0094. Fucking zoomers, just because they weren't around for all the big events, they think it was a cartoon. Me and my buddies served in the One Year War so you don't have to live under a Zeke regime.
I love Zeon
i read the first p[aragraph and already it's bullshit. Colonies in space were basically colonies to the birtish empire. Anything and everything tehy did was taxed to shit and none of them could exist without the ESFF's say so.
They paint this out gratuitously in the origin since it wasn't properly explained in the og. They are second class citizens.
Zeon wanted to pull an America and that would've lost Earth's money making colony operations to now sovereign bodies.
Zeon completely fucked up the planet with that colony drop. That duel that takes place in Odessa? That giant desert?
That is one of the most fertile grain fields in the world and also in Eastern Europe. The implications that surround that amount of ecological damage make it pretty obvious why the Feddies have supporters, they are almost by default the good guys after something like that.
Haha sounds pretty based, Zeon are pretty cool dudes.
>Zeon completely fucked up the planet with that colony drop. That duel that takes place in Odessa? That giant desert?
Actually due to staff finding pictures of Odessa, ,TX instead of Odessa, Ukraine.
As a young Texan child, playing Gundam games that would sometimes take you to Odessa, I saw absolutely nothing off about the landscape when I read the name. This makes a lot more sense now, kek.
That's hilarious
It really was a different time before google
Lulz
The colony drop has nothing to do with that, it's been less than a year
the only place that is permanently fucked is Australia
There is actually a small desert in ukraine near odessa just northeast of crimea btw
just a bit of banter
we do a little trolling, it's called we do a little trolling.
Because FUCK ZEKEFAGS
>man in the middle contemplating what's in front of him
I would love that cat.
Gundam was always good at highlighting how shit war is: he just fought in one of the most violent wars in human history (so far) and is participating in a liberation with a young girl and her cat seeing such innocence in a world of hurt
I've always wanted a movie or mini series detailing the early part of the war a bit more. The scale of human loss in 0079 is fucking wild. Nearly 6 billion people die in a week early on.
>Feddies rejected my luxury space monarchism
>6 billion must die
I think doing a sort of psuedo documentary piece that follows a documentarian as everything goes to complete shit would be a cool premise for an anime, or perhaps a short or OVA. At first he's doing home movies, then maybe serious efforts (maybe he's following a local case, like a politician's corruption or something like that). Then Zeon attacks and the colony starts to drop. People start dying in swathes, and he's documenting the chaos, people trying to pack and leave to safety, people staying, people fighting each other over supplies. You get an emotional connection to him as he tries to protect his family at the same time as he documents what's going on around him.
Its fucked up that the sheer scale of Zeon's atrocities are glossed over and the writers of later milking installments of the franchise continue to have people shilling for Zeon instead of recognise them.
This is a scale of atrocity not even approached by all of human history. Its not like it was even confined to people on the Earth since the so called "liberators of Spacenoids" intentionally went around doing it to entire Sides of colonies as well.
If anything other Spacenoids as much as Earthnoids should have been champing at the bit to wipe out Side 3 in revenge.
Like a Band of Brothers scale ONA from the perspective of some Feddie nobodies who just see a lot of shit.
Its just a problem of UC Gundam, Zeon is given ideals, people who believe in them and willing to kill and die for them. The Federation despite being in every UC material is not really explored, its this big, faceless, impersonal hegemony. There are plenty of good people in the Federation, but nobody is ever like "I believe in the ideals of the Federation" its more like maintaining status quo which isn't the most romantic thing to fight for. Tomino's Federation is this large, ineffective bureaucracy but is ultimately well meaning and it grows corrupt as the UC goes on. Fukui's Federation is Western governments, specifically the US as seen through the eyes of a foreign national.
Based, imagine fighting for nothing and having no real convictions in life. Feddie cucks really just don't get it.
Well, FuckUi is also a retarded Jap nationalist and a huge narcissist. His interpreter of Gundam was always going ro be shit.
Fukui is the one that invented the Vist Foundation (aka THE israeliteS!) being a conspiracy behind everything in the Federation right? For that atrocity of retcons alone he deserves to be shot.
Zeon big sux.
Killing fellow spacers and 1/3 of humanity.
I cannot think of a harder line than "Hey Garma, blame this on the misfortune of your birth".
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So true.
These war criminals are too cute
which anime is this?
Code Fairy game
Code Fairy was so shit. Combining the two cancers of nationalist war-crime apologism and waifubait homosexualry.
>nationalist war-crime apologism and waifubait
Sounds great to me
it's not a warcrime if it's feddies.
Zeon women are all so ugly they have to copy prime Feddie women:
>0083 mechanic girl but SIEG
>Frau with glasses SIEG
>ok maybe not this one but Aina 2 since the 1st was trash
>0080 Chris
>Bell Torchika but SIEG
>Mirai but SIEG
The Federation is basically Hamas. They hide all their mobile suit development on neutral colonies and then they complain when Zeon attacks those colonies.
reminder that Char's last words are crying about how his 16 year old pajeet prostitute gf could have been the mother figure he needed in his life and Amuro dies wondering why the fuck he's bringing that up again after 14 years
Char could see the potential of mommy milkers on that street shitter. Only Amuro was too weighed down by gravity to realize that tits in space float. They float, Amuro!
my sides
CC is an amazing movie let down by the climax
Amuro was so fucking based in that moment that its not even funny
Wasn't she 14?
>You killed my underaged mommy GF and now I can't sleep because every night her space ghost haunts my dreams and talks to me about gravity!
People told me to blow through 0079 and Z, skip ZZ, and get to CCA because it's the good one. The only time I felt more tricked is when people told me End of Eva was better than the series. At least I got some laughs out of CCA.
>The captain likes little girls!
Actually fell out of my chair laughing.
nah she was 17 in MSG
still hilarious because Char was three years older than her and he wanted her to be his substitute mom
if you skipped ZZ, you should have a nice day
slow start but amazing by the half
The viewer's perception of Haman change a lot, she begin as the only good girl in the end of Z, someone who does shit despite being the leader but then it's obvious she's lonely and want some love. Female becoming evil because they are femcels is a recurring theme in Tomino anime.
>Also being able to yell "Sieg Zeon!" during conventions all the time to friends is hilarious
I've played this in my car and got my pseudo-liberal wife to start singing the "Sieg Zeon" chorus and it was awesome. She did it twice before she caught herself and gave me an "Oh shit I shouldn't have done that!" look. I am unrepentantly racist in front of her and creampie her still
I absolutely love that song.
Admiral Delaz did nothing wrong
Cima's punishment before her betrayal of Zeon is all her biggest doujins are Scat.
>being interested in the women of Gundam
Anon, they're all either trash or dead. There's no point to it.
The games had some very good Zeon Woman.
Fucking shame the Legacy manga character assassinated them.
>no psycho Dom Funf pilot gf
Why even live?
>Get told she was a blood thirsty psycho in battle
>She's level headed during the the Jaburo mission and only frustrated that they found a Trojan Horse clone and not a command center like intel said they would.
She betrayed Zeon for many reason. She was assigned to the special squad who had to gas the colonies that were going to be dropped, she didn't even know that was the mission. She still has ptsd in 0083 about that but it got worse. By the end of the war, she was among the few who didn't get amnesty for their war crimes and she wasn't allowed to go to Axis. She was the one who got betrayed by all side, that's why she negotiated with the feds to let her and her men have a place that they can call home.
And? Delaz was willing to overlook all that and give her a chance and Cima stabbed him in the back.
Then it was her own stupidity that cost her everything, including her own life.
The best change of the 0083 manga is having Cima survive. Its also good in Gihren's Greed when as the Federation you can alter events to successfully stop the colony drop and bring her over as an Officer/Pilot who stays with you even through the events of Zeta.
no they had an insurmountable plot problem
> based Col. Norris Packard
> Ace pilot with a custom Zaku
> assigned to Zeon forces in Southeast Asia as an observer
> loyal to the Sahalin Family
> radiates strong father vibes
> sees Aina Sahalin as a daughter
> vollenteers to buy Zeon time to evacuate there base
> takes on an entire squad of mobile suits and guntanks without breaking a sweat.
> died like a G fighting and gets one last kill in before death.
Zeon just has some based chivalrous officers. Absolutely brutal in fighting but fair sportsmen.
That was no Zaku, boy! NO ZAKU!
So true. Everything he did was perfect. He was the ideal warrior up until his death. I loved how he had a mini gun shield and used everything in his arsenal perfectly.
That grappling cable he used to retrieve his sword impressed me. That is some Ace shit.
How else are you supose to cover you mass retreat? Fuck them Feddies, let them have there little ball of dirt.
Theres also the fight he gets into in episode 3 or so. When he's out on a recon patrol and notices the gundam team attack a ridgeline and he immediately recognizes the threat, lands to commander a Zaku and throws himself into close combat to stall for time. If the Guerilla's didn't join in he and the defenders might have repulsed the 08th.
Total Spacenoid Death
Australia deserved it. Think of how much costal property Zeon made for the Feds. And for free too.
If you think occupying Earth was a nightmare, try and occupy a Side if you want a real logistical nightmare.
Look at what happened in F91, and remember that was just the Crossbone Vanguard occupying ONE colony.
Zeon did the right thing in razing Sides that allied with the Federation. It denied the Federation bases of operations, resources and manpower that could be used against Zeon.
Fixed
No, space didn't have the resources they needed to sustain a war effort against the Federation or even function during a truce, this was the entire point of the M'quve arc.
Haman Karn's fat ass on my face
Why does he do it, bros?
depression
I wonder if Japan's 90's crash contributed to Victory being as depressing as it is.
Do they use Xbox controllers or something to pilot their mechs? How you gonna control all that otherwise ya nagger?
>Could Zeon have actually won the war
Should have given Ramba Ral his Ms-09 Doms if they wanted to do that.
Who else is excited but nervous about the new gundam anime being made during the UC in the one year war. Supposedly it's told from the Zeon perspective. I'm excited for the military kino if the cgi doesn't look garbage.
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>3D animation
>Western director and script writer
>Zeon did nothing wrong point of view
I'm more excited of more SEED shit, and I fucking hate SEED
The further we get from the original Gundam, the more people just gloss over Zeon is more or less responsible for the death for billions of civilians Earthnoid and Spacenoid.
b..but anon, Zeon Damashii!!! (Buy more model kits)
Ramba Ral and Hamon Crowley both came closest to destroying the White Base and Gundam twice over out if any other Zeke, and they did it with commando tanks raids and infantry boarding actions
I KNEEL
Ramba Ral was a real man and a true Soldier.
The scene where Hamon tells Ramba Ral's men they can opt out of the revenge attack, then individually thanks every soldier by name and shakes their hands in contrast to the dysfunctional chaos of the White Base is so good, I'm convinced that someone other than Tomino must have written it.
Tank-Mobile Suits are cool, should have been more of a thing in UC Gundam and in more roles than just pure artillery units.
They at least had a couple of examples in spinoff materials but it wasn't enough.
>These are just from some old /m/ potluck project where people threw out random concepts and mashed them together, usually of a less-serious nature
Just posting since noticing had a bunch of images from that thing saved and they are relevant to what I'm saying.
>usually of a less-serious nature
>shitpost UC Gundam is just standard G Gundam jobber antagonist
Thank you, based Imagawa.
>Calling Snuru an antagonist
She's clearly the HERO!
I said G Gundam antagonist, because there's literally a villain in G Gundam who's a giant snake, and who's pilots power is "has a big snake". Snuru herself can't be anything other than a hero.
Every bad thing that happened in UC was caused directly by Char. Char is the worst.
Hey guys you know what will win this war of us?
Super fuck off expensive resource draining prototype wonder weapons!
The problem with these is the writing of the shows are so schizophrenic. Their competing programs headed by egotistical nutters who care more about their own glory than winning the war and the vast amount of resources involved in their creation WOULD be a crippling drain if the series was properly written and actually cared about the realities of the conflict instead of only pretending to, much like the various ridiculous weapons of WW2 Germany that no doubt inspired them.
But the show is a flashy shootbang toy-commercial, so the bad guy's Superweapons when they actually go into battle end up being invincible killing machines that are shown effortlessly destroying entire battalions or fleets of the generic army and can only be stopped by the plot-armoured MC in their snowflake Gundam.
And because the company wants to churn out endless new instalments of the series to sell toys the bad guys can pull infinite such entirely new designed weapons out of their ass as required in a short-span of time in-universe.
I mean the literal post you are responding to has the superweapon destroyed by a well organized operation of grunts, and a dude with a laser weapon so lame it requires a truck to power it, while piloting a generic suit.
But it is entirely correct about Gundam as a whole.
The Big Zam should have been effortless for a couple of GMs armed with bazookas to destroy, it has even less point-defence than a battleship the likes of which were easily destroyed by Zakus, having massive blindspots to enemies shooting it from above or below in the three-dimensional battlefield of space.
That's why you give the Big Zam escorts.
It's like complaining why an Aircraft Carrier gets sunk when you send it into battle without a support fleet.
But the Big Zam didn't need escorts in the show, when it was alone able to fight/destroy entire Feddy fleets until the MC Gundam took it out.
That's why it got destroyed, it needed a proper escort, plus the whole 20 minutes of power bullshit.
mmmmmmmmmmm sort of.
The big zam has 28 AA guns. And if the gundams armor can survive bazooka shots generally than so could the big zam as it has far more armor even if it wasnt lunar alloy. The big zam was definity a dumb idea, anything but work on the gelgoog was basically idiocy. Hilariously Zeon still could have probably gotten a semi favorable peace treaty if Giren hadnt been murdered during A Baoa Qu. As the battle was going well up until that point.
They aren't AA guns when they are confined to a narrow ring on the robots skirt, they are completely useless at targeting anything that isn't coming at it from a very particular plane.
They are more like the beam cannons on a battleship instead of the point defence guns studding their surface intended for dealing with small close range threats, the name is a complete misnomer.
Yes, MS Igloo rocked.
So true, they were so close to vistory.
Whos got the autism post where some anon did the math and found the apsalus's main gun packs something to the tune of 18 gigatons.
You just know this is why Zeon remnant exist forever after the war.
why don't the Titans ever get a sympathetic portrayal? All they wanted to do was lmao kill spacenoids
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This was fucking stupid, especially with how target identification works in UC when minovsky particles are at high density.
The whole reason they had the Titans using Zeon-styled designs instead of Federation was because the idiots in charge of the show saw them as the 'bad guy' design robots and thought the audience would get confused if things switched.
I just handwaved it as the Titans kickstarting their own weapons programs using requisitioned Zeon war materiel. Your right though, I'm sure the meta reason is just the suits going "HOW WILL THEY KNOW IT'S GUNDAM, IF THERE'S NO ZAKUS?"
could you honestly look at this, and see it as a threat?
Yes? GMs are better than Zakus, and an all black/navy GM is more intimidating than a goofy green knockoff zaku.
Here's a Hizack that wouldn't be confused for a Zaku by friendly forces in the middle of a firefight. Looks way better.
dont disagree, but honestly show would have been a mess like that, and remember japan is strange, and TV ads are somehow worthless so if the mechs didnt sell toys there would be no more gundam. We can imagine in our headcannon the hizacks looked like your picture.
At the very least, it leads to an amazing bit of visual storytelling when the TITANS are tooling around in souped-up Zaku 2's, and then Axis comes along with their shiny new Gaza-C's and stomp them flat with no sweat.
Gaza-C's are shit, they literally fall apart if they transform too many times.
The 'transforming mobile suits' gimmick brainbug of Zeta gundam was such a fucking cancer, they forced that shit into it way too hamhandedly.
Blame Tomino, he literally heard that Transformers was popular in the US and decided to include it in his show.
VOTOMs and Dougram are better than Zeta anyway.
Thats impossible because Zeta is the greatest anime ever made.
Transforming armors like the Asshimar and Messala were good.
The one thing I got tired of in Zeta were the rocket sleds for the suits. It just looked silly. Otherwise I really liked some of the designs for the MSs and MAs, with the exception of truly dumb shit like the Psycho Gundam's brick form or the Baund Doc.
Wow, it's almost like fascists don't actually have a consistent internal logic and only care about power
>using Zeon-styled
That's because there is a lot of old MS left around to modernize(Hizack) and they needed a lot more MS when the conflict with AEUG escalated so they bought anything they could from Anaheim(Marasai). It's just like how the winners of ww2 used old german stuff until they could rebuild their own forces and how german tanks ended up in Israel and Syria.
They didn't even bother painting the Hizacks something other than Zeon green, thus meaning in a chaotic fight with zeon remnants while minovsky interference was high people would be shooting their own guys.
Also unlike a GM II which you can literally retrofit the original GM into a Hizack is an entirely different mobile suit, its not just a rebuilt Zaku II.
The regular Federation armed forces were the ones that were being forced to use 'obsolete' or leftover equipment from the previous war, the Titans were the elite military group that was having brand new fancy stuff developed for them.
I could never take Zeta seriously because of how objectively black and white the titans were sure Zeon and (Neo) were the bad guys but atleast they had some good people from the top to the bottom.
Its a 15 meter tall robot anon, armed with a 100m bullpup machine gun with two cwiss cannons in its head. If a Zock showed up on a battlefield anyone would be scared shitless.
Did MA ever really get better? I feel like even today they're mostly an afterthought for designers and seen as a gimmick for hobbiest. Honestly I feel the newer design got more consistent at being okay but never really good besides the anksha.
>I could never take Zeta seriously because of how objectively black and white the titans were sure Zeon and (Neo) were the bad guys but atleast they had some good people from the top to the bottom.
Not counting Emma, was that one Titan who was flying the Asshimar in Dakar who decided to listen to Char's speech the only sympathetic/gray Titan in Zeta?
This actually looks really cool.
You know the Earth Federation should have focused on using Mobile Armors rather than mobile suits, make them markedly different as a faction from Zeon.
Basically taking their experience with conventional armed forces units and applying the new technology to it.
If anything they'd be better when fighting on Earth/in atmosphere than the humanoid types, since the whole gimmick of mobile suits is supposed to be the "AMBAC System" but that literally only applies in zero gravity and gives no advantage elsewhere.
They magically spawn out of nothing into existence from the aether, the process powered solely by the force of misplaced japanese nationalism.
Daily reminder that while the zeons managed to wreck half the feddie navy in the battle at Loum, they lost damn near everything in the battle for A boa Qu.
And I'm talking EVERYTHING. Their most advanced suits, their ace pilots, their rookie pilots, their command structure, their fleets, their base, their fucking leadership AND char managed to barely fight the RX-78-2 with a superpowered over-the-top mecha designed to fight it. And managed to kill it at the cost of his mecha with a cheap shot from his 2/3 smoking corpsemecha.
OYW lost - all opinion discarded. Come back next time with a remnant fleet to try and lose AGAIN. For a nation of space zealots that pride themselves on winning, they seem very, very bad at it in the long run.
>They lost damn near everything in the battle for A boa Qu.
>They lost everything in the final battle of the war
No shit
>they lost damn near everything in the battle for A boa Qu.
If they lost everything, then where do the decades of Zeon remnants come from? With how many remnants keep running around, it seems like half of Zeon straight up didnt surrender
What if Zeon had a giant microwave beam to point at the Federation fleets?
doesn't matter because gundam plot armor saves the day anyway
SEED has to have the worst incarnation of a Gundam Federation ever
the EA in SEED is basically The UC fed through the lens of a Zeon fanboy.
CE and UC are still the most popular gundam universe simply its setting make for an easy projection from the average Japanese audience.
PLANT/Zeon vs EA/Fed is really just Japan vs US
Seed is still shit. Tomino had a special attention to the sci-fi elements of Gundam so it would be believeable. Meanwhile Seed ditch O'neils colonies for whatever the fuck plants are. Also muh anti-nuclear field that cover all of the earth instead of a 2nd antartica treaty. Minovsky particles had also the job of nerfing guided missiles and long-range communication which gave the show a reason for being about a single ship with mecha flying around with laser rifles instead of being fleets firing missiles from the other side of earth.
Just posting an irrefutable fact
>Haman just fucks off after Zeta, because...
>Well she just, does, okay?!
Your choice is she fucks off back to the asteroid belt, or gets character assassinated hard by a gary stu and dies like a bitch.
If you actually care about Haman, you'll choose the former.
Everything after ZZ doesn't make sense no matter what canon you make. Maybe if CCA was a whole series they could have made it work.
Haman was too cool for whatever shitshow followed Zeta.
>Powerful Newtype
>De facto ruler of Neo Zeon
>Has a badass flagship
>Uses it to position behind the Titan fleet and then gun them down after making them think she was with then
>Has a beast of a personalized suit
And Char passed her up.
He already had her when she was 14. He didn't pass up shit. She was too old at that point.
And clearly she aged like fine wine, he just aged and whined.
Char never betrayed anyone. Anyone saying different is just spouting feddie propaganda
They needed resources for their survival, if you played Gihren's ambition you'd know that.
Midwit writers, space has untold mineral resources which were the only ones Zeon were portrayed as determined in plundering with M'Queve's mining operation at Odessa.
The sheer scale of the Colony Sides was far beyond any engineering construction you could consider in real life, it would be far easier for them to reach the resources out there. Humanity reaches at least as far as Jupiter in Gundam if not further.
The only deep space resources operations in UC by 79 are Jupiter gas extraction. The only big base in the asteroid field is Axis and they don't send resources but instead use it for themselves. A colony in space has nothing unless they start scrapping themselves, the moon has resources but not as much as earth. If Zeon wanted to remain independent they needed resources to prevent the feds from winning an arm race. Gihren's ambition is a good game that illustrate that problem well, if you win as Zeon all you do is occupy some resource rich area while leaving the rest to the feds.
The issue for zekes was infrastructure. The asteroid belt has basically infinite resources but Zeon itself didn't control nearly as many extraction sites as the Feds did at the outset. Odessa was already developed, operating and had a nearby HLV launch field.
The most important resource in a war is salt and you can't get that from asteroids.
You can always mine it from mad feddies
Is Gundam still popular nowadays?
Unfortunately, and each new piece of media is worse than what came before. Much as say Star Wars or the like.
Japanese anime/manga & videogame is really bad at telling war stories, they always want to 'animu' it up with magical bullshit and one-man armies.
Valkyria Chronicles is a particular stand out example, the conflict at its core is a capable enough ww2-knockoff plot... but then whenever the Valkyria bullshit raises its head the quality of the writing takes a titanic nosedive.
You all should check out the One Year War mod for HOI4 its amazing and has a ton of content, basically an english Gihrens Greed but better.
Absolutely based recommendation anon. I would have never known about that mod.
Is there some sort of information resources I can browse through for this mod, feature lists or walkthroughs & FAQs maybe.
Search the "ONE YEAR WAR mod" on discord, its very active, thats where where the creators post everyhting
Are you sure its not invite only or something? Can't find it.
It might be, but if you goto steam workshop for HOI4, youll find the One Year War mods (OYW). In the main mod description is the discord link and theyll accept you.
Haman should have fucking won and Glemy is a worthless little shit
All things considered would the world under Gihren Zabi rule have been that much worse than the world under Feddie rule
Yes, homosexual.
>Kill half of mankind
>Commit untold number of atrocities
>The whole soul held down by gravity stuff
>Inter service rivalries
The moment zeon win is the moment they enter civil war over the scraps.
Seems like everything turned out good if he got a perfect victory, he didn't even wipe out all of the Feddies.
If you lived on Earth, you would be dead, considering he wanted to wipe out all but 1 million of the humans living on Earth and make it a fucking nature preserve.
So one of the features of the OYW mod is you can create frankenmecha, like you could in the MSG RPG for the PS2?
Thats coming in the next mod update, but currently you kindof can with weapons and attribute mods on the mobile suits. you can make a Zaku Mk1 for instance with better armor and firepower. Full build customization is coming though
The sheer amount of disrespecting the robot itt proves /k/ is shit. You must all Respect the Robot.
GTFO
SO TRUTH BROTHER THESE "FEDDIES" WOULDNT KNOW A REAL MOBILE SUIT IF IT HIT THEM IN THE MOUTH!!! THE ZAKU II IS A MANS ROBOT NONE OF THAT PLASTIC GUNDAM CRAP!!!
-Robert "Big Bop" Smith
Zeon Boot Camp 0079-0079, honorably discharged due to high cholesterol
Proud disabled veteran
"Drop it again Zabi!"
New type? More like ass-wipe!
-sent from my Magella Attack Tank with tapatalk-
I wish they'd make more gundam shows like 08th MS team. A well grounded gundam anime which focuses on ground combat and some guerilla warfare.
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People saying 08th team is grounded are talking nonsense, its full of bullshit from invinciball all the way up to spider gouf.
Also Shiro ends up another annoying whiny gundam pilot crying about pacifism and refusing to pull the trigger on enemy GAWs while as a soldier in the middle of a war (and can dodge gunfire from a Zaku while on foot)
One thing to know about 08th MS team is that it changed directors midway and that's why it don't seem to follow any plot.
>its full of bullshit from invinciball all the way up to spider gouf.
This (armored) Ball have room for more layers of armor than any MS and their joint and actuators would have.
It's also tanking the weakest, less precise weapon
The problem is only the fragility implied by the big ass "glass cockpit".
Also the quality of animation make us want to raise the level for this when we would usually not care about Gundanium armor.
>spider gouf
Canonically those Fighter of the federation are built from the a that can VTOL while carrying a Gundam around.
At worst, they didn't put autistic effort into portraying in autistic detail the physics of it "swinging" the Fighter as massive at itself.
The rest of the Gouf kicking ass is more a few case of very, very poor writing than inconsistency, implying he is so fucking awesome when he is just lucky none of his enemies hit him standing still. Also trying too hard to be Ramba Ral v2.
What I'm not forgiving is the retarded shape of the Apsalus3, it's comical "blow up a mountain" supah weapon that scream a Director who didn't give a shit anymore.
50% of the Gundam series are honestly, just glorified advertising for gunpla.
The other 50% are glorified advertising for gunpla that actually put effort into quality animation.
here's your grounded Gundam
So grounded you die like a fucking jobber during the White Base missions
>based beyond belief
>spent many weekends taking turns playing that with my buddy
>get a copy a few months ago with the original manual thinking my wife still had her old PS2
>her mom sold it years ago for weed money
Anon, it runs fine on emu on non-hardware mode. Did the complete game no issues. Go hunt an iso and enjoy.
I don't know what any of that means
Yeah I need to.
>Yeah I need to.
I would also recommend Gundam Vs Zeta Gundam on the PS2 as well, if you are willing to either pay a bit or hunt for a cheap copy. Or pirate it, I guess? It has such a beautiful selection of mobile suits to use.
Play it on pcsx2 emulator, you can turn it up to 4k and get all the frames you want
Where are these from again? its an art series?
Grab a cheap PS2.
I fucking hate new Gundam games, floaty weightless crap. If "I wanted to zoom everywhere I would play ArmoredCore. Mobile suits should feel like you're in a 15m tall robot, sluggish and huge,
I'm from Australia and I say kill em all
Not weapons. Why don't you fuck off from my /k/. We don't like your kind here.
>t. Ukrainian war shill
Kys, "my dude"
>We don't like you here
Said almost 300 posts late. K clearly loves gundams
>another tourist thinking he knows anything about this board
>mfw
Could Oz, the Earth Alliance, or the A-LAWS have beaten Zeon?
>oz
probably one of the most competent faction in the franchise, as an idealized monarchy. Trieze and Une are actually really good diplomat that could keep the colonies complacent.
>>EA
basically Earth Fed that's extra evil and retard. They make the Zeon look nice by comparsion and will likely lose.
>>A-LAW
basically titans, and would have lost the same way
Are we talking just the rank and file A-LAWS, or do they get Ribbons and his Skittles Squad plus Veda? Even without them, the A-LAWS still have some competent people, like Kati Mannequin and MISUTA BUSHIDO.
Its hard to believe the isolated tribes in the amazon would remain as such in 0079. Just imagine being mguptu hunting game with your bros and all of a sudden giant metal men start raining down from giant metal birds. I'd shit my loincloth
I'd masturbate as my ancestors demanded.
Reminds me of the Wagner tank getting stuck in Rostov.
>should we paint the rest of it camo too?
>Nah, just the shield is fine.
Do bazooka type weapons in Gundam have a backblast?