Could this plan of using J-6s (old MiG-19s) converted into suicide drones to bait Taiwan's IADS work?

Could this plan of using J-6s (old MiG-19s) converted into suicide drones to bait Taiwan's IADS work? In the video they also mention how Azerbaijan used a similar tactic with An-2s to bait Armenian SAMs: https://youtu.be/pg0UpyJdjAA?si=Q0v68FpZXcLTKRjy

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No fly-by-wire = no cheap drone for you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do Shahed drones have fly-by-wire?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, they cost 200k and get shot down for 2-25k

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't know, but most likely yes, since it would only need a simple electric motor to move the flap. My point is, old planes don't have fly by wire. So you can't really just plug in a computer and fly the thing. You have to use a rig to mechanically control the plane, or heavily modify it ie no cheap, expensive.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To be honest a simple rig doesn't sound too ridiculous. People did crazier stuff in their garages. If they're essentially decoy suicide drones you don't need sophistication, don't have to worry about making it clean, just bolt a simple remote 2-axis controller to the stick, a pistons to the throttle and pedals and buttons can probably be simply rewired since I doubt many of them are mechanical. You don't need to wire all of it, hell you can forgo even stuff like flaps, all it has to do is takeoff with little fuel and make it to Taiwan, afterwards it might as well fall into the sea if it's not hit.
          You could probably make the whole setup with Lego Technic (though you'd probably use off the shelf components simply because Lego is actually more expensive in this case).
          Hardware-wise you can get a controller off the shelf too. The biggest issue in my view is actually remote controlling it. I guess you can reuse the plane antenna for close range control on takeoffs and go inertial afterwards (it literally just needs to go in a straight line), but actually doing remote control over longer distance might be problematic due to quality of transmission and radio interference.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's CNC machines made from old manual mils where they mount digitally-controlled motors that spin the manual handles.
          You can absolutely rig a digital system to pull on cable/hydraulic controls aircraft, it's not even that expensive.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Utter nonsense. Autopilots and drones have been a thing far longer than FBW has.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China has been spending too much time with Russia and took a liking to smegkaka i see.
    Real nations figured out that shit decades ago without needing to Black person-rig old airframes as drones.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-141_TALD

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How much do those decoys cost compared to MiG-19 which are literally "free" on top of being supersonic?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They could just stick a worthless chink in there for even less cost, why bother with expensive electronics when you can just stick one of your brainwashed zealots in your rustbucket.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because drone tech is extremely cheap for them thanks to DJI: https://youtu.be/G8gjm2HALEM?si=SqM6zH6zx9MTIPOQ

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hey chink have you ever thought about getting new material? You need to stop spamming the same webm every single day it's getting old.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Have you tried to ask US Delta Force and US SOCOM to stop using DJI drones:

              https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2706082/department-statement-on-dji-systems/

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. The US did this during Desert Storm.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-141_TALD

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why hasn't Russia done something similar against Ukranian IADS? When they started buying Shahed drones I was expecting that they would be used as bait to hunt down Ukranian SAMs yet all the Russian did was use budget cruise missiles because they couldn't ramp up their production of Kaliber missiles fast enough...

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Could people stop ripping of Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising? Decoys are much more difficult to design these days, and were not foolproof back in the day either. These cheap knockoff versions of "Dance of the Vampires" are just cliche at this point

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Very much part of the plan.
    The best part is that Taiwan cannot afford to just ignore them, since they will just Kamikaze themselves into critical infrastructure and airbases while equipped with a couple 500kg bombs and a wienerpit filled with C4.

    A simple anti-radiation seeker mounted at the front will allow it to Kamikaze themselves into radars as well.

    But all this is just overkill, since Taiwan wont even be able to stop the conventional long range rockets of the mainland artillery divisons anyway.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Russia wasn't just a gas station they would've done this with their MiG 17-21s and dominated Ukrainian airspace in the first week of their 3 year special military operation

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    at what point does a plane turned drone become a missile? Is it even cheaper by then?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't the mig 19 a gunfighter?
    Why would the tiawanese even bother shooting them down?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because once turned into a drones they're supersonic cruise missiles

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what are the chances of a PLA invasion succeeding anyway, they don't have the luxury of deception since there's only a few places youc an realistically land, they're gonna be contested from the getgo, and they won't even have local numerical superiority like d-day did

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i'm still not convinced they'll try anytime soon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what are the chances of a PLA invasion succeeding anyway
      100%
      the chinese are absolute morons who've never fought even a COIN war, but they could throw enough bodies at it to make it happen
      I'd wager that they'd rather just wait for the US to collapse first then threaten the taiwanese into capitulating and getting some kind of special status like Hong Kong had once daddy US has run out for cigarettes permanently

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Too bad an invasion of Taiwan isn't about throwing bodies at the problem and requires them to cross a several hundred mile body of water to even begin the invasion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what are the chances of a PLA invasion succeeding anyway, they don't have the luxury of deception since there's only a few places you could realistically cross the North Korean Border. They're gonna be bombed by US and UN avitation from the get go, and they won't even have local superiority because of this. There's zero chance they'll directly intervene in the Korean War.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not even the chinese consider their intervention a win

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >intervene in Korean War
        >don't achieve objectives of pushing the UN out of Korea
        >w-w-we won
        It's still officially a permanent stalemate as there was no peace accord and China basically got its butthole raped en masse at every major engagement due to human wave strats and inferior logistics.
        Given that the US and other nations from thousands of miles away pre satellite/internet/decent radio, thats more shitting on China than on their opponents.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not even the chinese consider their intervention a win

          >Invade the North and literally name the Operation "Home-by-Christmas" offensive and fail harder than the "3 day SMO".

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean America clearly didn't win either, hence stalemate.
            The thing i'm trying to say is that china got royally fricked and didn't win shit, and that was in a land invasion not an amphibious one

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >w-we won the battle, that means we won the whole war!
            >just ignore the fact that we didn't accomplish our war aims, and our ally actually lost more territory than it gained.
            god, you people really are insects.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Turn multi million dollar jet into cheap missile
    Implessive

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MiG-19
      >Multi million dollar jet

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MiG-19's (and other planes) make for bad decoys because they requires lots of airbase resources to deploy, they have to be taxied out and takeoff from a runway and so forth and in a manner where satellites don't just ID an airbase launching tons of MiG-19s.

    Nevermind the fact that they would actually have to drone convert and maintain a whole bunch of MiG-19 in the first place. Purpose built decoys are just much less of a hassle.

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