Could one B-52 win WW2?

Assuming of course that the requisite supplies would arrive regularly from the future as well.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Enough range and payload abilities to take off from London, drop one nuke over Berlin, one over Moscow, return to London for refueling, nuke Tokyo and finally return to mainland US.
    So yes, one B-52 could win WW2 in less than 48 hours

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Does it have nooks?

      If it has access to a nuclear arsenal yes. Otherwise no, it could not win single-handedly.

      It would probably substantially speed up the war if it had precision-guided bombs onboard though. Some of them wouldn’t work because no GPS but still.

      It has no nukes. In this scenario it is Britain that gets the B-52. America is unwilling or unable to assist in Europe, and D-Day will never happen. The Americans remain friendly but occupied in the Pacific theater. Nukes will not arrive either.

      Every time the B-52 lands safely, it is transported to the future where it is reloaded and repaired before being sent back to WW2.

      Alternatively, could Japan win against the USA with a B-52?

      https://i.imgur.com/BF0dFlV.jpg

      the question is, is germany aware of it? They had the Foke Wulf Ta 152 H1 which had a bit of a higher service cieling than the B-52. just completely bukkake the cockpit with 30mm head on and the thing should be over

      They only become aware of it if they can spot it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What a horrible scenario

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Then how would you do it dipshit? Fuck off.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Strategic bombing can't win wars. If it has no nukes thanks to this made up scenario, and the entirety of US lend-lease and all assistance is off the table, the allies are fucked. The Soviets can't win if they don't get a drop of American aid, and the British may very well get smoked in North Africa. I'm instinctively repelled by any "this is how the Axis could have won" scenarios because the odds were so tremendously stacked against them, but you went and removed the biggest member of the Allies.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Strategic bombing can't win wars. If it has no nukes thanks to this made up scenario
          Why would the lack of nukes matter if strategic bombing isn't effective?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can destroy an entire city in seconds with a nuke using one plane. Take away the nukes and you can't do much at all. You are stupid for making this thread.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Take away the nukes and you can't do much at all.
              I'm glad the firebombing didn't do much, seems like a terrible way to go. Didn't make the thread.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm glad the firebombing didn't do much
                not with one plane

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You've only got one plane retard, how long would it take to firebomb a city with one plane?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You have the b-52 bomb the shit out of enemy airbases while it remains at an untouchable altitude. Then your other bombers roll in and can drop bombs with impunity.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Strategic bombing can't win wars
          Ehhhh, yes and no. Strategic bombing can't win wars on its own, despite what Bomber Mafia shills would have had you believe, this I will agree with. But to argue that strategic bombing can't prove instrumental in ending a war more quickly than it would otherwise is to ignore the factual realities of WWII.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Strategic bombing can't win wars
          Strategic bombing gave the Allies their first major victory; depriving Rommel of his oil, ports, captured British supply depots and disrupting the DAK in their leaguers just before El Alamein

          Strategic bombing also forced Hitler to spend vast amounts of resources in building AA guns (not cheap), hardened concrete bunkers, radar, and night fighters, resources which could have tipped the balance on the Eastern Front or reinforced the Atlantic Wall

          and strategic bombing further delayed Rommel's response to the D-day landings by bombing key rail routes needed to transport panzers to the front line, and raids on Wehrmacht workshops significantly contributed to the poor readiness and condition of panzer battalions

          if anything, the impact of strategic bombing in WW2 is underestimated nowadays, especially the operational impact of raiding tank depots

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what a dogshit scenario. you have to invent time machines to keep that trash running and not being a single use only thing.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          while giving the opponent no concessions. basically plazing on easiest difficulty daydream

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah....i dont think you know much about the fuel ww2 planes used LOL

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >i dont think you know much about
        NTA but...

        >the fuel ww2 planes used
        I was thinking about that but even though they were running high octane avgas on the fighters (and how high octane it was was a big secret for a while), I think they could formulate a kerosene based jet fuel for the B52 without too much trouble and turbine engines tolerate a pretty wide range of fuels and fuel mixtures.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What, are you retarded? They'd shoot it down sooner or later. Assuming it's relying on WW2 bombs, it's not like it would be any more accurate than the existing bombers to begin with, even if it had a higher payload. Even if it could fly completely untouched and could fly several missions every day, its limited capacity wouldn't significantly change anything, and accuracy would be terrible at its maximum height.
      If the Germans became aware of it, which I assume they would after a few weeks or months, it would become a priority target and they would be able to shoot it down. The ceiling for the 109 and the 190 is not set in stone, and they could fly higher than that what's listed, so even if they can't catch up to the B-52, they could shoot it down on approach.
      I think it would serve a greater purpose by simply being picked apart and reverse engineered. From what I recall, it's still using turbojet engines developed in the 50s, so even in the 40s it's not so far ahead that they couldn't be reverse engineered.

      There weren't any nukes ready until Germany had already lost, and even after the two were dropped on Japan, they didn't have any other nukes ready. Of course, they'd start churning them out after that, but that's still many months too late.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it's still using turbojet engines developed in the 50s, so even in the 40s it's not so far ahead
        The metallurgy might not be there to make large-crystal turbine blades.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they already had fighters (mainly the high altitude variant of the fw ta 152) that even could outclimb the b52 because they thought they gonna use the b29 soon

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Ta 152 was a late-late war fighter, though. I assume you've watched the anime about it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >They'd shoot it down eventually
            Would they? It's service ceiling is a solid 20k feet above most WW2 planes i can find.

            The Brits could put Spitfires up to 40k feet as early as El Alamein, to deal with German Ju86P high altitude photo-reconnaissance planes, so theoretically a Ju86 night fighter could've done it
            but the B-52 would still see it coming miles and miles away
            maybe even shoot it down with missiles or that radar-guided rear turret

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >They'd shoot it down eventually
        Would they? It's service ceiling is a solid 20k feet above most WW2 planes i can find.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no. it just isn't enough output. it'd probably be best used as a recon asset, since it could fly higher than anything could reach.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >isn't enough output.

      >Wipe out every sub pin in a few days
      >Wipe out entire every major refinery in a few days.
      >Wipe out most of Germany's ball bearing plants in a few days

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does it have nooks?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Easy, 20 ALCMs into all major industrial and population centers, repeat if necessary

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There isn't a single vehicle or piece of equipment that could feasibly reach it, Let alone keep up with it long enough to shoot it down in WW2.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >No appropriate runway facilities
    >Vulnerable on the ground

    I dunno, I'm sure Italy would still fuck it up somehow.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lel

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the question is, is germany aware of it? They had the Foke Wulf Ta 152 H1 which had a bit of a higher service cieling than the B-52. just completely bukkake the cockpit with 30mm head on and the thing should be over

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Service ceiling is irrelevant, interceptors regularly missed entire bomber formations without radar they're not finding a single B-52 and they're definitely not getting any kind of firing solution

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no worries; its all smiles with these guiding them. Theyll eventually blast him if we exclude nukes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >effective range less than 3km
          No

          https://i.imgur.com/xYtkJ3S.jpg

          Assuming of course that the requisite supplies would arrive regularly from the future as well.

          Assuming no GPS but access to modern inertially-guided smart bombs, it could potentially wreak havoc.
          It can carry 20 ALCMs. That means it can put twenty 2000lb bombs within about 100m of any target. Let's say it can run one sortie every night.

          You can delete the entire German Navy from the air.
          Tirpitz would only take a handful of ALCMs.
          Submarine pens? Use the penetrator warhead version of the ALCM.

          Dam Busters go home. You can wipe out the dams with twenty ALCMs each using delay fuzes. (Equivalent of three Upkeeps.)

          All those factories targeted by Bomber Command would be much more efficiently vapourised.

          Every German Army, Navy and Luftwaffe HQ would get a couple of cruise missiles.
          Heck, the Fuhrerbunker probably could be destroyed.

          The British war effort would switch mostly to finding targets for the B-52, using recon flights, intercepts, espionage, anything.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            OP stated only one B-52. No other allies and no help; no russians either to take the brunt of the infantry No modern bombs either

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >B-52s can carry 12 harpoons
              Well worth it for knocking out carriers and battleships, leave the rest for the surface fleets.

              >in the european theatre it wouldnt be nearly as decisive but its most effective use by far would be to employ it as a air to surface missile tractor just constantly knocking out high value targets
              It really comes down to what they can do with regards to PGMs, without GPS or laser designators on ground or drone assets.

              [...]
              >They have an internal navigation system anon, not just GPS. It's a heck of a lot better than just doing it mathwise like ww2.
              That's not what INS stands for and INS is still dead reckoning, it's just a more precise version. There was analog INS in WWII, it's just not super accurate.

              Assuming some historical knowledge as well, my best ideas for it, in order, are:
              * mine Japanese harbours and straits, repeat this every 3-6 months, it really only takes 1-2 flights to do it
              * soften up Omaha beach properly and prevent a dozen dramatic films being made
              * perform strategic bombing in Germany until VE day
              * drop DPICMs on tank formations where they exist
              * drop a bunch of ASMs on battleships and carriers in the Pacific, only need to do it a few times, do it in between German missions

              That's it really.
              Strategic bombing will eventually prevent materiel from being produced and this will cause the fronts to collapse. Allied armour formations can mop up the infantry who will eventually be unsupported by their own armour.

              The big thing you can do is improve strategic bombing, it was unbelievably primitive in WWII.
              They were trying to bomb at high altitude to avoid fighter interception or doing it at night for the same reason and in both cases, they had to carpet bomb cities just to hit single factories and they still often missed entirely, flattening square kilometres of earth a few miles out of town because they couldn't even reliably navigate to a city at night.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >No modern bombs either
              If it has some sort of onboard night vision then it's still useful as a strategic bomber but it's not a game changer really.
              It'll just save money by actually putting bombs in the same city as the target.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >No modern bombs either
              OP said no nukes and it gets reloaded in the future
              unless you are OP, in which case, pointless fucking thread

              only one plane with no escorts and no allies to help. Itll eventually get shot down - war over

              It flies above just about every WW2 aircraft's operational ceiling and at nearly Mach 1

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                both fly at 15km. according to wiki the b52 struggles to reach it fully loaded

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Some aircraft could make it up to 40,000 feet which is where the B-52 would usually be. But they'd have to find it, and the B-52 has radar; they'd also have to catch up to it, and the B-52 has unmatched speed.

                The B-52's ALCM cruise missiles can theoretically hit Berlin from London. Come to think of it, the B-52 could probably do its missions without even crossing the Channel.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                as I already said, its a dogshit scenario. you have to have a time machine to keep it running and your opponent has nothing to answer for. Of course you could beat rome if you bring in machine guns and kill them all

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                pretty much, yes
                or like that scenario about modern Poland vs the Wehrmacht
                OP doesn't realise just how overpowered modern tech is over WW2 tech

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                pretty much, yes
                or like that scenario about modern Poland vs the Wehrmacht
                OP doesn't realise just how overpowered modern tech is over WW2 tech

                Since you fags keep whining instead of participating, how about this:

                Which year of B-52 would be the earliest year required to win WW2 singlehandedly?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                B-52 also has a 20mm radar guided Gatling turret. Ammo is easily reproduced. The night fighters are gonna get fucked, fisted and horsefucked.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Ammo is easily reproduced
                Not really a problem given OP said it has magic ammo and repair
                this means it can drop JASSMs, MOABs and MOPs all over Europe if it wants to

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Too wasted to pay attention. But yeah. Even easier.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            only one plane with no escorts and no allies to help. Itll eventually get shot down - war over

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >effective range less than 3km

            Even if by some astronomically massive stroke of luck one were within 3km of the B-52, it doesn't matter. B-52's carry a powerful and comprehensive ECM system. No WW2 radar stands a chance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Could it? Being 300mph slower would be a massive challenge.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If it has access to a nuclear arsenal yes. Otherwise no, it could not win single-handedly.

    It would probably substantially speed up the war if it had precision-guided bombs onboard though. Some of them wouldn’t work because no GPS but still.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Some of them wouldn’t work because no GPS but still
      This.

      Accurate strategic bombing is a game changer but without GPS, even basic navigation is back to dead reckoning and paper maps.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They have an internal navigation system anon, not just GPS. It's a heck of a lot better than just doing it mathwise like ww2.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Aboslutely not. It would immediately be used a few times then mothballed until the war was over so the allies could focus on the fleet aircraft they did have en masse instead of one slightly more exciting unicorn that needed its own entire supply chain and maintenance to operate.
    Probably give it to a skunkworks operation to strip it down and get new ideas out of it Stateside
    Horribly wasteful idea.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Assuming it keeps guided weapons and HARMS access, it can delete what remedial radars there are, would have its own radar capable of detecting things like naval assets, and have enough guided missiles on-station that it could pretty much delete the German navy or Japanese navy chunk by chunk. It could also do repeated precision strikes on anything in Germany or Japan.

    It doesn't even need to fly OVER them. They could just launch cruise missiles again and again and again and again, and do bombing later as needed. Can one bomber win the war? No. Can it seriously disrupt operations in Germany or Japan if it can casually wipe away the fog of war over seas, or constantly toss explosives at factories, refineries, etc. to make things significantly harder on the Reich or the Japanese.

    And if they get nukes, well, it was over the second it showed up.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Considering the flamabillty of japan Im pretty sure one man napalm / WP raids could do insane damage to japan from day one.
    Or just slapping it with Jdam and sinking navies.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, assuming the airfield can be kept safe.
    It has enough range to reach Washington, London and Moscow.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wait which country is the B-52 supposed to attack again?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    B-52s can carry 12 harpoons, if the japanese had it they could wipe the floor with the US at midway and easily win the pacific war

    in the european theatre it wouldnt be nearly as decisive but its most effective use by far would be to employ it as a air to surface missile tractor just constantly knocking out high value targets

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >B-52s can carry 12 harpoons
      Well worth it for knocking out carriers and battleships, leave the rest for the surface fleets.

      >in the european theatre it wouldnt be nearly as decisive but its most effective use by far would be to employ it as a air to surface missile tractor just constantly knocking out high value targets
      It really comes down to what they can do with regards to PGMs, without GPS or laser designators on ground or drone assets.

      They have an internal navigation system anon, not just GPS. It's a heck of a lot better than just doing it mathwise like ww2.

      >They have an internal navigation system anon, not just GPS. It's a heck of a lot better than just doing it mathwise like ww2.
      That's not what INS stands for and INS is still dead reckoning, it's just a more precise version. There was analog INS in WWII, it's just not super accurate.

      Assuming some historical knowledge as well, my best ideas for it, in order, are:
      * mine Japanese harbours and straits, repeat this every 3-6 months, it really only takes 1-2 flights to do it
      * soften up Omaha beach properly and prevent a dozen dramatic films being made
      * perform strategic bombing in Germany until VE day
      * drop DPICMs on tank formations where they exist
      * drop a bunch of ASMs on battleships and carriers in the Pacific, only need to do it a few times, do it in between German missions

      That's it really.
      Strategic bombing will eventually prevent materiel from being produced and this will cause the fronts to collapse. Allied armour formations can mop up the infantry who will eventually be unsupported by their own armour.

      The big thing you can do is improve strategic bombing, it was unbelievably primitive in WWII.
      They were trying to bomb at high altitude to avoid fighter interception or doing it at night for the same reason and in both cases, they had to carpet bomb cities just to hit single factories and they still often missed entirely, flattening square kilometres of earth a few miles out of town because they couldn't even reliably navigate to a city at night.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pure INS was precise enough to get the Concorde within 10-30km of the airport after a flight across the ocean. And since the B-52 has ground radar, it can zero out the errors by doing a nav fix on some known feature like a bridge.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    me and my boyfriend are arguing about this now and hes getting really upset with me
    thanks you fucking gay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      gay

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To put it another way the B-52 could carry a Lancaster bomber and drop that fully loaded and still have enough weight to carry a fighter escort for it.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A single B-52 fully armed and fueled could cripple Germany overnight. From borderline any point in Britain that could support one taking off, it is well within its sortie range to ANYWHERE in Germany at the time, flying higher than >90% of fighters/interceptors could go, and faster than >95% of all other planes at the time. The Me-262 could catch it at the B-52's cruising speed, but the B-52 could significantly outrun it when they see it coming. With modern targeting, avionics, night vision and infrared systems, the B-52 could run a train on the German industrial and military industries every single night with no brakes and no stops. This fucker was designed for an era where its #1 is enemy SAMs streaking across the sky. Anything that isn't supersonic is just plain not ever catching it. With a week of unrestricted and uncontested precision bombing, Germany would have no air force(runways on day 1 with cluster munitions), no navy(day 2 is all major naval bases and facilities), and days 3-7 would be destroying factories and whatever army elements are unfortunate enough to receive a JDAM from 50,000ft. After the Luftwaffe is brought to its knees, regular bombers of the day could operate with complete immunity as AA fire was a fucking joke, especially at night.
    The pacific is quite a bit less optimistic because of the insane distances bombers had to cross, as the nearest airfield capable of supporting the B-52 would be in Okinawa. Most bombing campaigns were launched from carriers which would have to be insanely fucking huge to support a B-52 launch.
    On the opposite side, Japan wouldn't get much use from it for the same reasons mentioned above, and Germany would take over Europe in under a month.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    surely it would just get destroyed on the ground between sorties?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Like all the other allied aircraft destroyed on the ground?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    could one B-52 make Sealion possible for the Germans?

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