Could North Korea defeat Russia in a conventional conflict?

Assuming that Russia didn't want to risk Moscow getting nuked and it was a conventional conflict besides DPRK chemical warfare.

So how would Russia defend itself against a DPRK onslaught against Vladivostok?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    north kora would collapse without its troops in north korea to suppress the people

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      AI or idiot, same thing.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    norks can barely feed themselves on a good day, half the country would starve if they got in a war

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I hear this ad nauseum but they must be relatively stable to maintain a single government without any notable disruptions aside from the famine in the 90's. The UN I believe records their population as trending pretty aggressively upwards despite their repression and stagnation in the region. Could they win a conventional war against the Russians ? Maybe for a brief period of time in the East but I doubt theyd even take Vladivostok because of exterior logistical constraints outside of their central planning

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I hear this ad nauseum but they must be relatively stable to maintain a single government without any notable disruptions aside from the famine in the 90's.
        Anon you have never read history before. You don't need a stable government for stability, what you need is fear, love, or both. Since NK lacks anything such as food or an economy that people can love, they double down on fear of reprisal and paranoia to their neighbor. Soviets under Stalin were the same and China under Mao was the same, running a government doesn't need any essentials other than a monopoly of violence. Also NK is kept in a state of constant supervised survival by China in order to have a buffer state between it and South Korea, which is the US's official backdoor (Janpan, Taiwan, and Vietnam are unofficial)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That doesn't make any sense considering the existence of the GDR and its Stassi and pretty good access to food and luxuries for a soviet state. It also fails to address the modern North Korean state and its relatively stable government considering the very real possibility of what should be warlordism in the face of apparent endless food shrotages. Outside observers dont hold the opinion of North Korea experiencing famine qualities of the 90's the same as they reflect on Ethiopia so I'm not sure why you think you're an expert.

          You sound like the people who have been saying 'North Korea will collapse any day now' for 75 years. I.e they are full of shit.

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          They don't need to leave their territory to obliterate Vladivostok, the city is well within their MLRS range and the HQ of the Russian Pacific Fleet is between Vladivostok and the DPRK border.

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          So your excuse as to why North Korean soldiers wouldn't fight is 'it's better in Russia?'

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          Neither of you have answered the question of if the DPRK could take Vladivostok.

          I did answer that while I believe they could make some gains territorially I cant imagine they'd be able to maintain those gains much less take Vladivostok. In the 1960's they most likely would have had the experience and equipment to make something like that happen given soviet infrastructure in the region but as of today I sincerely don't believe theyd be able to cut off Vvstks. logistical supply lines while also maintaining their own unimpeded for very long.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Vladivostok.
            It's within range of gun artillery fired from within the DPRKs borders, their MLRS can obliterate it with ease .

            The HQ of the Russian Pacific Fleet is between Vladivostok and the DPRK border, 20km. It is the primary storage site for their Pacific nuclear weapons.

            I think the Koreans would have an honestly hard time going into the Krai under naval and air support in an area with pretty poorly developed roads. I hiked to the border from vladivostok in 2018 and I doubt the conditions of the area are any bit improved, its a situation that the russians faced trying to push in Kyiv. get stuck because you forgot logistics wins wars and nobody is going to just let you invade their sovereign territory for free. For a highway it fricking sucked to *walk* on I cant fathom moving heavy equipment down even unimpeded. Of course this is all assuming the Russians do have ammunition of some kind despite whatever fog of war there is right now with them.

            They have one of the worlds largest combat engineering corps, i think they could manage a few dozen miles AI friend.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Obliterate? Yes probably. The United States could obliterate Tehran but that's not realistic or I think the intended question. Capture I think would be the challenge for a fairly inexperienced military but honestly who knows with them, im arguing theyed probably make significant gains in the East but outside of their pretty decent central planning system I doubt they have any real chance of maintaining those gains. They could certainly bypass Vladivostok if they can managae to bypass the atrocious infrastructure of Eastern Russia just outside of Rason. Its swampy marsh and unpaved road for a long 100km which the *2nd most powerful nation* couldn't manage outside of their doorstep

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Russia will just redirect the mobik-wave from Ukraine to North Korea which, unlike Ukraine, won't have anyone to back it up, while the norks may push into Vladivostok urban area they will eventually get bogged down Stalingrad style and then have all their forces grinded down, russians will rather sacrifice their earnings in Ukraine rather than lose their actual internationally recognized territory, what is more, Monke will have all the legal and ideological justification to call mass mobilization and empty the arsenal short of nukes against the norks.
              Don't get me wrong, the norks will hold the initiative and make Russia suffer horrible casualties, but they just all by themselves are not enough to win against Russia however how weakened it has become.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Obliterate? Yes probably. The United States could obliterate Tehran but that's not realistic or I think the intended question. Capture I think would be the challenge for a fairly inexperienced military but honestly who knows with them, im arguing theyed probably make significant gains in the East but outside of their pretty decent central planning system I doubt they have any real chance of maintaining those gains. They could certainly bypass Vladivostok if they can managae to bypass the atrocious infrastructure of Eastern Russia just outside of Rason. Its swampy marsh and unpaved road for a long 100km which the *2nd most powerful nation* couldn't manage outside of their doorstep

                AI opinions but i'll bite.

                >Russia will just redirect the mobik-wave from Ukraine to North Korea

                In the face of a massive assault where they would need six months to just handle the refugees? With no troops, armor or weapons?

                This isn't Russia invading Ukraine, if you get caught by the DPRK you are either dead or you wish you were. Civilians will live only long enough to clog up Russian roads and rail lines. They have the largest sustainable (only) large scale chemical warfare ability on earth so they can use it near impunity. They are horror incarnate. Russian roads/rails will be backed up for months with refugees before Russia can respond with any real ground forces and by then it will not matter.

                Vladivostok's ruins will be taken by the DPRK as well as lower Primorsky and the Kim Family will laugh in joy after walking over a million (more) corpses.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You sound like the people who have been saying 'North Korea will collapse any day now' for 75 years. I.e they are full of shit.

      No, they don't have enough in the way of logistics to go very far outside their own territory

      They don't need to leave their territory to obliterate Vladivostok, the city is well within their MLRS range and the HQ of the Russian Pacific Fleet is between Vladivostok and the DPRK border.

      No, NK relies on its military man power to perform domestic agriculture. You send them all across the border everyone starves faster than they already do.

      So your excuse as to why North Korean soldiers wouldn't fight is 'it's better in Russia?'

      I hear this ad nauseum but they must be relatively stable to maintain a single government without any notable disruptions aside from the famine in the 90's. The UN I believe records their population as trending pretty aggressively upwards despite their repression and stagnation in the region. Could they win a conventional war against the Russians ? Maybe for a brief period of time in the East but I doubt theyd even take Vladivostok because of exterior logistical constraints outside of their central planning

      >I hear this ad nauseum but they must be relatively stable to maintain a single government without any notable disruptions aside from the famine in the 90's.
      Anon you have never read history before. You don't need a stable government for stability, what you need is fear, love, or both. Since NK lacks anything such as food or an economy that people can love, they double down on fear of reprisal and paranoia to their neighbor. Soviets under Stalin were the same and China under Mao was the same, running a government doesn't need any essentials other than a monopoly of violence. Also NK is kept in a state of constant supervised survival by China in order to have a buffer state between it and South Korea, which is the US's official backdoor (Janpan, Taiwan, and Vietnam are unofficial)

      Neither of you have answered the question of if the DPRK could take Vladivostok.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's because your question is just "can they take it" with no intelligence behind it. If you mean military to military, frick no they couldn't against Russia. If you mean realistically? Then China wipes NK of the face of the earth because NK moved without their approval.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >So your excuse as to why North Korean soldiers wouldn't fight is 'it's better in Russia?'
        No, what I mean is literally their domestic logistics are so tied up by their need to use manpower for agriculture that switching to wartime would mean huge losses to production and therefor more starvation. Not saying they wouldnt do the switch and would refuse to fight, just that the switch would have a huge impact.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you asked a question and you got the answer, sorry you don't like it homosexual

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if norks go for vladivostok it will be with the blessing and support of chinks. They are like that as they reason they can deal with the norks later when they want manchuria for themselves. So yes, with chang logistical support it should be doable for norks in theory as changs can give them all the fuel, trucks, food and ammo they need for the operation. Things norks lack themselves as they are from the stalinist school of thought where all that matters is the numbers of weapons and stockpiles of ammo (no matter the quality). Serfs can feed off the land.

        of course in reality all of them are both greedy and super paranoid about each other while proudly stubborn. So norks will do their own thing and changs cant force them to do much of anything while even if norks would be willing to embark on the conquest with chang backing the latter would nickle and dime them to hell and back for every single meager bullet while selling them rotten MREs. It aint Maos era anymore who was a communist tyrant emperor as well as true believer in the marxism cult.

        Xi is just a regular self centered emperor wanting to return to the age of conquering empires. He is very similar to monke personality wise

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There may be an...alternate food source for the soldiers.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, they don't have enough in the way of logistics to go very far outside their own territory

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, NK relies on its military man power to perform domestic agriculture. You send them all across the border everyone starves faster than they already do.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are we talking like right now? while the majority of (whats left) of Russias military is bogged down in Ukraine?

    If anything now would be the time to strike, they could assuming an absolute MAD dash before their supply logistics go to shit, which will go quick, they could effectively enough surround and siege Vladivostok. But as other anons said, they have near 0 logistic capability beyond their borders.
    If their dash gets slowed down even the slightest they are fricked. The corridor is only 26ish miles wide, assuming no NK troops can touch Chinese soil, and they have no amphibious landing capabilities any Russian response will stop a NK blitz very quickly.

    To put it short, no, DPRK couldn't win. They might MIGHT get to Vladivostok but any Russian response with weight behind it would end it quickly. It would be rather messy, but it would be 2 paper tigers fighting but at least one of them is several pieces of paper stacked together.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You also forgot that basically NK would be voiding their alliance with China which is the only reason it exists, which then could mean a nuclear war of NK vs everyone else if China and Russia decide to frick optics and go in.
      Holy the question OP states is such a far off hypothetical that it goes straight into moronation

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much this. It would essentially be Exactly the same as the Russian rush to Kyiv. Youd get some cool Nork paratroopers in the naval yards or airport. a 40 mile long line of soviet era North Korean trucks and donkey drawn carts from the border and then they'd get pushed back after the first arrival of Russian forces from various places.
      Also assuming either done right now, or during peacetime/pre Russo-Ukraine War. If pre-war the response to the Nork assault is faster, if now, slightly slower, maybe more damage to pacific fleet naval yard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >any Russian response will stop a NK blitz very quickly.

      With what troops? With what armor? The DPRK has near tank parity not mention MLRS and artillery superiority over Russia. Not locally, the whole of Russia.

      What shells will Russia be using? The ones they buy from North Korea?

      Pretty much this. It would essentially be Exactly the same as the Russian rush to Kyiv. Youd get some cool Nork paratroopers in the naval yards or airport. a 40 mile long line of soviet era North Korean trucks and donkey drawn carts from the border and then they'd get pushed back after the first arrival of Russian forces from various places.
      Also assuming either done right now, or during peacetime/pre Russo-Ukraine War. If pre-war the response to the Nork assault is faster, if now, slightly slower, maybe more damage to pacific fleet naval yard

      Except Russia has nothing defending their Far East besides 2.5 million civilians who will be rightly running for their lives in the face of North Korean military rule i.e certain death.

      Those civilians might be a logistical issue. DPRK occupation is a potential apocalypse of war crimes, any rational person will run away. If you don't you are a idiot........

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They could take Vladivostok with impunity if they went all in, necessitating the use of tactical nukes en masse-- this would have the deterrence bolstering effect of lending credence to Russian nuclear threats against Western Europe against a disposable enemy.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So with a one and half million to zero ratio of troops, a 12,000 to nothing ratio of artillery and a 4000-0 ratio of tanks Russia can defeat the DPRK in its far east?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the Koreans would have an honestly hard time going into the Krai under naval and air support in an area with pretty poorly developed roads. I hiked to the border from vladivostok in 2018 and I doubt the conditions of the area are any bit improved, its a situation that the russians faced trying to push in Kyiv. get stuck because you forgot logistics wins wars and nobody is going to just let you invade their sovereign territory for free. For a highway it fricking sucked to *walk* on I cant fathom moving heavy equipment down even unimpeded. Of course this is all assuming the Russians do have ammunition of some kind despite whatever fog of war there is right now with them.

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