Could electronic detonation primers offer significant benefit for stuff like long range shooting in the way of shorter time of ignition from trigger pull or less moving mass to throw off your aim?
Could electronic detonation primers offer significant benefit for stuff like long range shooting in the way of shorter time of ignition from trigger p...
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an electronically actuated pressure system that uses a plasma pulse that cannot be defined as an "explosion" would rid us of the ATF all together
food for thought
The ATF has never allowed little things definitions, logic, or truth to stand in their way. I wouldn't be surprised if the regulated PCP air rifles next week, because the air 'explodes' of out of the cylinder.
Fricking tard
They could theoretically reduce lock time but back when EtronX was a thing it never revolutionized benchrest shooting so the difference is likely negligible.
>it never revolutionized benchrest shooting
Shooting from a bench drastically reduces the importance of lock time. I would expect it to matter more from a regular shooting position.
>I would expect it to matter more from a regular shooting position.
Eh, it kinda depends on how fast the lock time is. Let's say you had a gun with terribly slow lock time, like a flintlock or a wheellock. Yeah, if you're moving around you could easily move off target before the shot went off. No question improving that would make a bigger difference for an offhand shooter vs. a bench shooter. But modern guns already have pretty darn fast lock times, so fast that kind of thing doesn't really matter much. For your average modern gun lock time is one of the least important variables for accuracy. But when it comes to benchrest it becomes important once again because all the other variables have been addressed already.
I imagine on a striker gun like a Remington 700 or other modern bolt action it matters even less than a hammer gun like an AR-15 given how quick the lock time is on striker bolt actions. The 700 is positively glacial in that category at 2-3ms depending on action length.
It was never offered in actual long range precision calibers. The primers were also horrendously expensive compared to match grade.
I like the idea of some overbuilt breechloading blackpowder rifle that uses electronic primers of some sort. It'd be nifty if you just had to fill the reusable cases with powder and press the bullet.
my quest is instead of all these $100s "trigger jobs" and drama, Y not use like my Ebay $7 electronic scale that goes to grams which I'm told really means to at least .5 grams (but its meant for kitchen AND they say "if you want like .25g just make 4 piles and eyeball it like when you sold coke in college". Scale also of course resets to "tare" for preload or WTF.
Gun nuts will say shit like "I can't have any electronics between me and shooting because can't trust in emergency. If a Black person breaks in what if the batteries are dead" etc.
Fact is electronics are 100% reliable and you rely on that daily in Life or Death, like your car, must less AIRLINERS.
Anyways, you could have (like some auto systems) a MECHANICAL BACK UP (squeeze trigger really hard and gun fires if E-trig is fried by Alien Saucer E-mag pulse).
>Fact is electronics are 100% reliable and you rely on that daily in Life or Death, like your car, must less AIRLINERS.
"Failure is not an option" electronics are very expensive. $7 scale componets won't cut it with that goal. Look at what airline electronics cost if you're going to reference them, a black box is fricking $60,000.
Hell, look at what fricking private prop plane wienerpit components cost: https://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/engine-instruments.html
And that's a SMALL fraction of the cost of parts for planes major airlines run, and a fraction of the required reliability.
>"Failure is not an option" electronics are very expensive. $7 scale componets won't cut it with that goal. Look at what airline electronics cost if you're going to reference them, a black box is fricking $60,000.
Every single venchicle including cars has vital electronics these days and they are not prohibitively expensive, a gps unit meant for ernest outdoors use can be life or death, so can medical equipment such as insulin pumps. You are talking bullshit and obsessed with aeroplanes. Reliable dependable electronics circuits to utilise in firearms can be very cheap.
Literally, go onto mouser.com, look at parts that are automotive rated, and compare them to like parts that are not. They are much more expensive. Plus automotive parts are a huge industry so economy of scale plays a part in reducing costs. Look at medical and military grade electronics.
There is no way around the cost, it’s the extra QA time, higher tolerances, exact specs for each IC or discrete component used that creates that spec.
I have a degree in electrical engineering. How are you going to power these electronics? Battery? Tell anyone who actually depends on their gun for survival that you want to add in a new failure point, a new item they have to carry, have them practice battery swap drills in addition to their normal training. Imagine trying to diagnose what’s wrong with your gun while being shot at, diagnosing electronic/mechanical issues are already hard enough.
make power efficient things that work reliably
make people take the fresh batteries before the mission
my electric smart watch with gps and pulse oximeter and step counter and all the shit goes for half a month on one charge, and recharges fully in 2 hours
Small little gyro/accelerometer ICs are very different from “electronic detonation”, are you talking like a spark plug, something that’s arcing 15k volts to ignite a gas, or a solenoid striking a flint?
>make power efficient things that work reliably
I don’t tell you how to do your job, why are you telling me how to do mine? Right now we are still in a global chip shortage, lead times on parts are over a year, the shortage has not been solved it’s just been moved around, they stop producing X to make Y instead to solve the Y shortage creating a X shortage.
I'm talking a nail that discharges a decent amount of joules out of a supercapacitor and into a traditional primer, igniting the primer compound.
>a gps unit meant for ernest outdoors use can be life or death
The ones that are actually BUILT for that are incredibly expensive. People chance it with ones that are very much not made with failure as a non-option.
>so can medical equipment such as insulin pumps
Insulin pumps go for fricking six grand if insurance isn't covering it.
>You are talking bullshit and obsessed with aeroplanes
You literally brought up airlines as an example of dependable electronics.
Yes it would have some positive effect. However, I don't think it's a large effect.
I got to shoot one about 20 years ago. It was a pretty neat idea. There really wasn't a trigger break, you just kind of pulled straight through until it went off. I don't know if I'd call it bad necessarily, just different. Working the bolt was really slick too because it didn't have to rewiener a striker. I do remember thinking it'd be a pain in the ass to put one in a different stock because IIRC they had a circuit board and some other stuff inside the stock and it was molded specifically to mount the electronics and allow clearance for wire routing.