Could 10 apaches sink a lone WW2 Iowa class? how about an 80s renovated Iowa?

because its not a russian ship 🙂

you keep the ammo in the magazine till order to prepare the guns is given

What about ammo for the AA guns people are talking about?

The magazines are also in the citadel. All they'd be able to hit is the ready service ammunition, the detonation of which would do little more than destroy the 20 or 40mm gun mount it was servicing and start a small fire.

If a launch ship is close enough to dispatch helos, its close enough to assume that the target battle ship would be armed and ready to fight. but yeah, fi you want to be a complete gay an assume the Iowa crew was in position, anticipating intercept, then you may have a point. that would be retarded, though.

>even if the Iowa could detect such a distant vessel to begin with
Iowa carries 3 float planes for aerial recon

>There’s nothing for the main batteries to shoot at
Shame there was no Sanshiki-like stuff

>that are of irrelevant value in this fight
mission kill is type of kill

OP said 'sink' not mission kill. Moreover, a HEAT warhead works by penetrating armor with a hypersonic jet of copper and cooking off the ammo and fuel in the confines of a tank. Battleships are spacious, incredibly spacious, compared to a tank. All a Hellfire is going to do it put a small hole in the metal. Even if the turrets were engaged (they wouldn't be if they were fighting only aerial units) there's just too much space between the armor plate and the innards for a dinky little Hellfire to cause a cook off.
See

https://i.imgur.com/xt57A0m.jpg

There’s nothing for the main batteries to shoot at, so there would be no need to bring up rounds from the magazine. The Iowa’s magazines are held deep within the citadel, specifically to keep them safe.

This goes doubly for every other system of note on the Iowa. You're not going to cause any meaningful damage to a battleship with an anti-tank weapon, because an anti-tank weapon is meant to destroy tanks AKA small metal boxes on treads filled to the brim with fuel and ammunition. There's just to much armor and space on a battleship for something as small as a Hellfire to 'light the match'

Also, you're a colossal gay.

L-luke?
>t. womp rat

>heres no chance to put a gun out of action by aiming above/below the barrel
that is the case. main gun turrets became the most heavily armored topside parts of battleships to the point where there is no weakness that doesn't involve a super-freak accident or user error. Iowa main guns were designed to take an 16" AP shell weighing 2700lbs
stack Hellfires next to that and let me know when you stop counting

fire all missiles before getting greased idfk

You're punching through a inch top deck and then a 5inch main deck plus roughly 20 feet of space?

yup

It'll have to go through decks (1.5" steel) and then the main deck (6") at an angle. I'm not sure modern ASMs are up for it. Boats just aren't built like they used to be. You'd probably be better off just wrecking the superstructure and getting a mission kill.

I think that amount of steel isn't so much for modern penetrators. The space would be the biggest issue as the deck would act like a cope cage for the warhead

LASER BIRDS GETTING BURNED

>Penguin outranges any AA
what if the combat isn't taking place in antarctic waters?

https://i.imgur.com/IG12fxQ.png

A helicopter is moving slower than a WWII era plane, and 5" dual purpose guns with VT fuses can reach out quite a long ways. This [...] anon's idea won't work because a hellfire's range is less than half the radar horizon of an Iowa. I'm sure the accuracy of the 5" guns at >11km wouldn't be great but do you really want to be on the receiving end of a dozen radar controlled 5" guns for a solid minute while you get into firing range?

Also pic related is the USS Iowa's armor scheme, there's no way for a hellfire to penetrate the outer hull and then continue on to penetrate the belt armor 2 meters away. What the hellfires totally can do though is poke holes in the superstructure and turrets praying they hit something important, and with 120 missiles on 10 helos chances are fire control and radar would be pretty much fucked by the time you finished, leaving her open to further attacks and forcing her to retreat. I do wonder how well the CIWS on the 80s refit would do against hellfires, I'm sure they could swat at least a few of them.

I thought the hellfire had a longer range (the radar horizon is just shy of the hellfire's range based on calculators online) so I was wrong indeed HOWEVER, I still think that the radar would not be able to track Apaches accurately if they were flying close to sea level. Finding info on the Iowas ww2 radars is kinda hard, so I'd be glad to be proven wrong.

Another point is, can the AA guns even angle down far enough ?

yeah but fairly small targets like the Apache?

For getting bearing/range? Sure. But accurately tracking and essentially locking onto an apache? I doubt that radar was advanced enough for that. Even if they could see it (and I have my doubts for that) the apache would need to fly in a very predictable manner to get hit.

HUD controlled line of sight slaved chaingun

>220 kW
does it run hot?

I only remember the popcorn one

Sure, eventually, but it had surface and air search radars of sufficient capability to target aircraft at the ranges discusses here.

How did the hellfires even hit the turret? The apache has to be within 5 inch range to fire and since it's laser guided it's required for it to stick around. If it loses the laser the hellfires are going to miss

If you're not laser guiding them you no longer have the level of target discrimination required to do what you're talking about. And once again retards fail to understand that the magazine spaces are all inside the citadel and under the waterline. There is NO feasible way for any helicopter based weapon to penetrate the citadel and then reach the magazine spaces inside

Mad brainlets itt get more and more pathetic with every post.
Hellfires don't have the ability to outrange the 5"/38s. 5"/38s have radar driven firecontrol and radar fuzes. They also have the ability to work against something faster than a 3 legged hippo, which is the best the apache can manage, especially with a full warload.
Apachefags got fucking torched because their piddlyshit flying dumpster has nothing on the Iowa. Not enough range, not enough firepower, not enough maneuverability.

>primary turrets protrude five decks into the citadel
My poor dumb moron, do you think there is a contiguous space from the 5" turrets to the main 5" magazine? Holy shit, you don't know anything about battleships, do you? What are those weird boxes on the righthand portion of the image? Surely they aren't long armored tubes that run ammo from the 5" magazine to the room below the turret, right?

>the AA envelope for Iowa 5 inch guns is shorter range than a laser Hellfire
Source?
>5 inch VT took over 1000 rounds per AA kill and killed by frag (1 shot per 6 seconds per gun, 20 guns on WWII fit, 12 in Reagan fit)
Shows what you know about the purpose of AA. It's primary function isn't to destroy enemy aircraft, it's to put enough steel and explosives in the air to make bombing and torpedo runs difficult/dangerous, of course they're going to burn through ammo. This forces planes to maneuver and veer off. Ironically, AA was much more effective against kamikaze fighters for this very reason, the pilots weren't trying to drop bombs and veer off, they were trying to hit the ship and as such got wrecked.
Compared to Japanese fighters, Apaches are big and slow, and need to maintain laser contact with their target for their Hellfires to hit, which is difficult when jinking and flying evasively. Even at 11km, they'd get bracketed by 5" proximity fused shells and get obliterated.

You just have no idea how any of this works, do you?

>If you're not laser guiding them you no longer have the level of target discrimination required to do what you're talking about.
Wrong. Stop being a dumb fuck and posting about systems you don't understand. Hellfire Longbow will target the turrets just fine and this capability was demonstrated with Apache Guardian. As for the citadel, where the fuck do you think the primary and secondary turrets reside? Do you genuinely not realise that the primary turrets protrude five decks into the citadel and sit on top of their powder magazine because you've never even looked at the layout of the class before? Iowa nearly blew its magazine in the 89 explosion. The safety measures to prevent flashback from turret to magazine are not infalliable, and if you hit 3 primary turrets and 20 secondaries you've got a good chance of promptly breaching magazine do to shit luck (eg catch powder in scuttle or safe passage and it goes at a moment where safeties dom't catch it), killing the ship with 23 massive turret fires or getting a magazine later when for eg the One and Two turrets are both 3000 degree infernos and their bulkheads are cherry red, and they share a common room that links them on the first platform that happens to be the powder magazine so now your magazine is being cooked by a six story and five story drum fire on either side that's burning HE and powded.

Anyway, I'm done replying to you. Go learn something, you dumb gay.

Ah yes. In their hubris, the USN designed an enormous expensive ship absolutely bristling with the naval gunnery equivalent of Loony Tunes style bomb fuzes. Never did they ever consider that their secondary and AA batteries would come under direct fire from, say, one ton shells filled with HE moving at mach 2. The fact that any Iowas survived WWII is a mystery

Fucking shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself

>verification not required

>A battleship
>narrow target
lol lmao

You're a special kind of stupid aren't you

Because you don't use 16/50's against Helos?

Because you don't use 16" guns against aerial threats.

Anon, the only ones that bothered to do that are the Russians since everyone else went to thin skinned ships with the iowas being the sole remaining class with any real armor on it. Plus those aren't launched by apaches.

FWIW we knew all about explosive warheads when these naval guns were being built, plenty of bombs, torpedoes, exploding shells etc.
these worked the best at penning naval armor

Even then, the controls towers are pretty well armored
Do Apaches have any weapons that let them sit outside the Iowa’s AA screens?

You're not going to be able to do that without discriminating precision weapons and the only types you're fitting on an Apache are the laser guided hellfires.
In order to shine a laser you need LOS and that is well within 5inch range

No, all these weapons are simply 'attack the blob' style targeting.