Cop or PMC?

>be me
>brazilian, 26M
>served in the brazilian army for 3 years
>served in the french foreign legion for 5 years
>acquired my french citizenship
>wanted to become a PMC
>i can speak Portuguese, French, Spanish and English
>i have real combat experience
>the PMC companies tell me to frick off
>apparently my eight years of military service are worthless if im not ex-special forces
>the only good contracts i found pay less than my current wages on the legion
>being a french cop pays better than both

should i just give up and become a french cop? should i continue in the legion? what are my chances of dying as a low-grade PMC?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >want to be a PMC
    no one who actually wants to be that frickhole job type actually get into it, it's always ex-sf goons who don't have any other real world skills who get picked up because of money. You fell for larp bs in games and movies, just be a cop and get actual money and don't be a moron.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you're really set on PMC stuff then you're going to have to network. The companies telling you to frick off are largely made up of guys who all graduated from the same units, and have worked together in the past.

    Be a cop or stay in the Legion if you like the military lifestyle.

    Or, who knows, you could always start one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Remember, too, if you be a cop you can get onto tactical teams and do cool guy shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you could probably be on a french swat or counter terror team if you wanted. But it really depends on what you wanna do. Are you trying to see combat or write speeding tickets?

        french swat does sound interesting

        Go be a security consultant, get paid to sit on your ass and give your expertises over security threats or other trivial shit

        maybe in a decade, but right now i crave for action

        I'm thinking your FFL experience is the killer. Every western PMC will think you are working for or with the French Military Intelligence Service, the DGSE. Lots of PMC guys are probably working with or for CIA on the side, but that is not a problem as long as the PMC is cooperating directly with CIA anyway. But in most places where PMCs have work, CIA and DGSE are competitions and quite unwilling to share intel with each other. Sorry dude, but to any US-based PMC you are a liability not an asset.

        thats an interesting theory, i had no idea that PMCs worked with intelligence agencies... it just makes me become a PMC even more, thats some cool spy shit

        I'll go to FFL selections in 2 months, do you have any advice or whatever?

        my goal is to do my best to do fut fut and become a corporal right away, and then my objective is to become a sergeant after 3 years of corporal, I want to be in a leadership position, I love studying military tactics manuals etc and want to apply it in real life.
        I know atm theres no real deployments but my goal is also to deploy.

        if you wanna become a corporal you just have to be active in trying to influence your peers like my fellow legionnaire anon said, there is really no secret to it, also, make sure you show commitment to the legion and france, you don't want them to think you just want the money, the citizenship is not a guarantee, after 3 years you are eligible to apply, but that doesnt mean you will actually get it for sure, sometimes you don't, specially if you are african or middle eastern.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          if you really crave action you could probably fight in ukraine, i think theyre still recruiting foreigners with combat experience

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            not that much action, i want to go back to shooting insurgents and african gangs, i don't want to get shelled to death in the next avdivka/bakhmut

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              fair enough. Whyd you leave the legion if you still want to do that stuff? Could you rejoin or even join a different part of the french military? Shit you could probably be a cop in detroit and do those things

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the only good contracts i found pay less than my current wages on the legion
                OP sounds like he's still in the legion, just wants to make more money and maybe do more interesting stuff

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ahh i must have missed that part. He does seem pretty unsatisfied with the legion and maybe a change would do him some good

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >thats an interesting theory, i had no idea that PMCs worked with intelligence agencies... it just makes me become a PMC even more, thats some cool spy shit

          Evidently I need to clarify. The intelligence agencies have their hand in every PMC, occasionally as a customer but mostly as a way to keep tabs on what a paramilitary unit is doing. They don't hire a PMC to do spying. Those guys watching the oil pipes in Oman are doing bog standard armed guard work - there just happens to be a handler keeping an eye and ear on them. French mining company hires a PMC to watch their trucks in Frickoffistan? Same thing, just different agency is involved. And it has always been like that, well since ww2 anyway. Every white face in Africa that carried a rifle for money would be considered of interest for his own country's IA. Some of the best known guys of the best PMC years were well known IA connections. Today every bigger PMC exists solely because it has the support of their home country and while not all their jobs are importants, they are ALL happening because someone in govt okayed them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          You don't need to know French at all, im Argentinean and I went there with zero French knowledge, they teach you how to speak French during training so that's not a requirement, but it certainly is a bonus to have so pre-acquired knowledge.

          What they look at for corporals is pretty much the cliche stuff, displays of leadership, if you are the quiet guy always on the back not interacting much and keeping to yourself you won't be promoted, if you want to become a corporal you need to be the extroverted type, the guy that is friends with everybody, the guy that mediates disputes, the guy that everyone trusts and listen to, essentially, be very socially active and try not to upset your superiors.

          You need at leats one year of service(training not included) in the legion to apply to become a corporal, then three years as a corporal to become a sargeant, but that's really rare, i know it's possible but it's really rare for someone to skip the rank of corporal-chef, that's why i mentioned that the most realistic timeframe is 7-8 years, unless you are really really good at your job.

          thanks, I'm from a first world country so I'm not doing it for money or citizenship but because the military world is my passion and want to make a career out of it.
          I'm choosing the legion because it seems to be a better institution than my nations army, more serious and more likely to deploy, and more hardcore spirit, partly it's probably marketing but I think it's true.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm from a first world country
            >I'm choosing the legion because it seems to be a better institution than my nations army
            >more serious and more likely to deploy, and more hardcore spirit, partly it's probably marketing but I think it's true.
            lol. You will be hated by your own comrades and continuously hazed and beaten. You will be perpetually poor and regret the decision.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              why would that be

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because you will be serving with a bunch of people from third world countries that do this for economic purposes while they will see you as a moron.
                There's no glory in it. It's a way to get French citizenship and make money you can send back home.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                for me it's a way to pursue a military career and a deployment which i believe to be worth pursuing since it's my main interest and goal, definitely more than in my own country

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're going to wash out.
                The military and war are not as romantic as you think they are, especially when you're doing it for money or vanity not patriotism or at least ideology.
                You are not Lord Byron. You will not travel to exciting and exotic places and fight a small skirmish to capture a hill with a single canon then spend the evening drinking and singing with your comrades.
                You will be worked to the point of total exhaustion in mud, sweltering heat, and freezing rain. If you deploy you will do the same while watching people die.
                Your comrades will be rough brown dudes who you won't be able to communicate with beyond some broken French. Even without the language barrier their experience scraping by in third world shantytowns will be so far removed from your cushy Western life that you will have no connection.
                They will assume you are a pedophile or something. The only people who endure the hellish trainning of the FFL are running away from something. If that isn't poverty, it's usually some unspeakable crime. They will assume you left your cushy home life and eschewed your own country's military because you committed a heinous crime. One look into your b***h made eyes will show them you're not a killer, so they will assume you are a pedo.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ok we'll see

                have you been in?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Don't listen to

                You're going to wash out.
                The military and war are not as romantic as you think they are, especially when you're doing it for money or vanity not patriotism or at least ideology.
                You are not Lord Byron. You will not travel to exciting and exotic places and fight a small skirmish to capture a hill with a single canon then spend the evening drinking and singing with your comrades.
                You will be worked to the point of total exhaustion in mud, sweltering heat, and freezing rain. If you deploy you will do the same while watching people die.
                Your comrades will be rough brown dudes who you won't be able to communicate with beyond some broken French. Even without the language barrier their experience scraping by in third world shantytowns will be so far removed from your cushy Western life that you will have no connection.
                They will assume you are a pedophile or something. The only people who endure the hellish trainning of the FFL are running away from something. If that isn't poverty, it's usually some unspeakable crime. They will assume you left your cushy home life and eschewed your own country's military because you committed a heinous crime. One look into your b***h made eyes will show them you're not a killer, so they will assume you are a pedo.

                I would recommend not coming here for my own reasons but this guy is 100% bullshitting and knows only stereotypes about the Legion. Almost none of the Legion is comprised of ex criminals. Most of the first worlders are just guys who want to be part of a larger and more active military than their own and already have mil experience. No one will think you're a rapist pedophile they'll just think you're a mid twenties dude looking for adventure. That's almost all first worlders here.

                reading these answers i do feel interested in the idea of joining RAID or GIGN, it does feel safe and i get to operate some high tech equipment, so i will be thinking a lot about it, as apparently it's unanimous here that PMC's get paid very little and only some highly connected ex-sf can make some actual money
                merci, à marseille
                [...]
                most africans that come to france speak french, as they are usually from ex-french colonies, and im pretty used to dealing with them
                [...]
                just take a good look at it and ask yourself : ''does it look expensive enough to be worth the risk of stealing it?''
                [...]
                that's just not true, i had a couple of europeans in my unit and they were not treated differently in the slightest, maybe we thought that they were crazy to abandon the possibility of a comfortable job to be in a foreign military, but nobody saw them as pedos or criminals, also in the legion there's a lot of factionalism, usually you stick with your own there, so hispanics stick with other hispanics, arabs with other arabs and i sticked with an angolan dude and one of the europeans, as he was portuguese.

                although i do agree that war is not glamorous, some people just enjoy it, i did a lot, being in the mud and fighting for my life was surprisingly exciting, which is why i want more in the form of being a PMC or something like that, battle addiction is a real thing, some people are just crazy like that, not everyone is a iraq veteran that falls into depression after a tour. im not saying being in combat and enjoying it is manly or something like that, i dont feel more of a man because of it, i just like it, maybe lil bro there is just like me... or maybe not and he will indeed quit after three months, we will never know.

                We're deployed in Barkhane

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ignore that moron, he's talking out of his ass.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Are you in the Legion cause you sound pretty moronic. Generally if you're a first worlder and a solid soldier you'll be treated like gold. If you're from a first world country and you're shit you will be beaten mercilessly as everyone expects more from white guys.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PMC is not what it's made out to be at all unless you are ex-sf and have no skills beyond murdering, well networked into PMCs already, or are a business guy. They won't let some guy in who had experience in the normal military, because you still have options in life.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Intredasting path you've chosen OP. God speed!

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go be a security consultant, get paid to sit on your ass and give your expertises over security threats or other trivial shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This anon knows what he's talking about
      >friend retires after spending 15+ years in the military
      >as an officer (retired as a lieutenant colonel IIRC) he always volunteered to be sent on all the missions and conferences abroad
      >always collected business cards from all the attending parties - different militaries brass, diplomats, politicans, NGO fricks, all that shit
      >retired because of his lazy ass - direct quote
      >now all he does is sitting on his ass, providing OSINT and analytics, calling all the phone numbers he's collected over the years
      >makes three times the dosh, isn't even 50 y.o. and fricks his wife between video conferences

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What’s stopping you from joining the regular French military if you’re a French Citizen? Finish your contract with the Legion and join the regular Army and try to get into 1er RPIMa or join the Navy and try to get into Commandos Marine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If OPs in the right regiment he could already go Commando Montagne, Commando Parachutiste, Combat Divers, or sniper. There's a ton of those types of roles in the Legion. Also 1er RPIM is probably equally as prestigious as 2 REP so being there won't magically make you more attractive for PMC work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        1er RPIMa is a Tier 1 SF unit equivalent to the British SAS or American Delta Force. 2REP is a basic parachute infantry regiment equivalent to the 82nd Airborne or the British Army Parachute Regiments

        2REP GCP is like a platoon and 2REG GCM is also like a platoon strength. OP has much more chance of getting selected into the wider French Army SF

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >low-grade PMC
    GWOT is over my dude. 6-figure contracts are long gone and the only paying PMC jobs are shitty and/or extremely distasteful, like working in francophone Africa for glistening black men with slightly more money than you or cargo ship security.
    Your only hope is to leverage your experience for consulting work and try to land a posh job as a rich man's pet chief of security. I'm told yacht security can pay pretty well, along with all the cabin girl/boy pussy you can handle but once again that means working for Arabs or Russians.
    You can try China military training instructor too but they really want an officer pedigree preferably with flight school

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    have you looked into VIP bodyguard jobs? i had a buddy that wasn't even SF and he got a job doing bodyguard work for a billionaire and worked with some salty old SAS dudes.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Definately cop. PMC's are filled with SF burnouts and you will loathe to work with them.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'll go to FFL selections in 2 months, do you have any advice or whatever?

    my goal is to do my best to do fut fut and become a corporal right away, and then my objective is to become a sergeant after 3 years of corporal, I want to be in a leadership position, I love studying military tactics manuals etc and want to apply it in real life.
    I know atm theres no real deployments but my goal is also to deploy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP, but i was in the legion.

      My best advice is to not gamble and save every penny you get, live in the barracks and eat there as well, be single, women will consume your already low pay, becoming a sarge in one term(5 years) is not possible, the furthe you can get in a term is corporal, then if you renew the contract for another term you should be a sarge in some two to three years if you are competent enough, so in your 7th or 8th year in the legion.

      As far as deployments go, the last true combat happened in 2021, in the Central African Republic, as of today, you won't be getting any, as we just pulled out of Mali, so no combat for you unless Marron decides to invade someone.

      Godspeed and welcome to the legion in advance.

      Also, don't bring israeliteelry with you when you come to enlist, it will end up stolen, I lost my ring and wrist chain.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        thanks, I want to get into 2rep bc they seem the most likely to deploy if shit happens, and also for the aura of hardness they have.
        otherwise I'd like to be in an alpine Corp but the only one is 2reg and I'd like to be infantry mos not eng, alotugh they're still cool.
        on the legion info site (ik its not official) it says you need 3 years as corporal to become sergeant

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not OP, but i was in the legion.

          My best advice is to not gamble and save every penny you get, live in the barracks and eat there as well, be single, women will consume your already low pay, becoming a sarge in one term(5 years) is not possible, the furthe you can get in a term is corporal, then if you renew the contract for another term you should be a sarge in some two to three years if you are competent enough, so in your 7th or 8th year in the legion.

          As far as deployments go, the last true combat happened in 2021, in the Central African Republic, as of today, you won't be getting any, as we just pulled out of Mali, so no combat for you unless Marron decides to invade someone.

          Godspeed and welcome to the legion in advance.

          Also, don't bring israeliteelry with you when you come to enlist, it will end up stolen, I lost my ring and wrist chain.

          btw, do you know what they look at to select guys for fut fut?
          I'm now working out so I have better performance at the trials, and also studying French although I'm skipping my self imposed schedule too much, I cant speak writr or listen French but can read it and use deduction to understand

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            can you tell how your experience was in the selection?
            and hows the quality of the training?
            do you often do field exercises etc?
            are the leaders and instructors good and motivated?
            how are the other soldiers?

            You don't need to know French at all, im Argentinean and I went there with zero French knowledge, they teach you how to speak French during training so that's not a requirement, but it certainly is a bonus to have so pre-acquired knowledge.

            What they look at for corporals is pretty much the cliche stuff, displays of leadership, if you are the quiet guy always on the back not interacting much and keeping to yourself you won't be promoted, if you want to become a corporal you need to be the extroverted type, the guy that is friends with everybody, the guy that mediates disputes, the guy that everyone trusts and listen to, essentially, be very socially active and try not to upset your superiors.

            You need at leats one year of service(training not included) in the legion to apply to become a corporal, then three years as a corporal to become a sargeant, but that's really rare, i know it's possible but it's really rare for someone to skip the rank of corporal-chef, that's why i mentioned that the most realistic timeframe is 7-8 years, unless you are really really good at your job.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              How does that work if you dont speak french when going there? do they have interpreters or are you expected to just figure things out until you can acquire enough of the language to actually know whats going on?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Essentially, it's like teaching a child to read and talk, they use figures, sinals, gestures and so on until you sort of understand's it, the legion is also composed of mostly foreigners so one of them will probably speak your language and will be able to help you out, unless you speak some very obscure language, in which case, you will be educated like a child, it usually happens really fast as they sort of force you to be speaking French all the time, even if a very broken one, so by the time you graduate you will be a near fluent speaker already

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                damn that sounds like it would be even more stressfull if you dont at least speak some other romance language

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You just get slapped until you understand.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >You need at leats one year of service(training not included) in the legion to apply to become a corporal
              unless fut fut right?

              anyway 8 years to make squad leader is pretty long, I hear us guys can become sergeants in like 4 years

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Unless fut fit yeah. If you're fut fut you can make SGT in 3 years. Also it's spelt sergeant not sargant

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          2 REG and 1 REC are the most deployed regiments. REP is actually one of the regiments that is very rarely deployed. Group Commando Montagne which gets some recruits in 2 REG is probably one of the most deployed sections in the French military. Also the hardest regiment isn't really 2 REP anymore. Most consider 2 REI harder these days

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/24IT41c.png

        >be me
        >brazilian, 26M
        >served in the brazilian army for 3 years
        >served in the french foreign legion for 5 years
        >acquired my french citizenship
        >wanted to become a PMC
        >i can speak Portuguese, French, Spanish and English
        >i have real combat experience
        >the PMC companies tell me to frick off
        >apparently my eight years of military service are worthless if im not ex-special forces
        >the only good contracts i found pay less than my current wages on the legion
        >being a french cop pays better than both

        should i just give up and become a french cop? should i continue in the legion? what are my chances of dying as a low-grade PMC?

        can you tell how your experience was in the selection?
        and hows the quality of the training?
        do you often do field exercises etc?
        are the leaders and instructors good and motivated?
        how are the other soldiers?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Learn as much French as possible. Being fluent will be required to be fut fut. If you're a white euro or north american and you have no criminal history or medical problems youre guaranteed to pass the moment you sign the contract. Don't listen to the other guy it is possible to become a sergeant after three years but you need to get high on the NG test, you need to be a physical animal (two sergeants I know who made it in 3 years were the best runner and best boxers in their regiments respectively). You also need to have had ex military experience to get fut fut or SGT in 3 years. Realistically it won't happen if you don't have prior experience. Last piece of advice is to not join this place fricking sucks.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm Italian, I actually fear that by being 1rst world theyll flunk me bc they think I'm not desperate enough like 3rd worlders is and I'll desert.
        but in reality that's the only career that appeals to me.
        ofc theres other factors too

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >willing to go die for frogs instead of eating pasta and fricking italiano girls
          what the frick is wrong with you?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Italian army is a welfare plan and the likelyhood of it deploying is near 0% unless you go in tier1 units but cant count on that, the legion has a better soul and I like it better, plus I probably would be rejected for my medical record although inconsequential, like Americans getting flunked for genesis for bullshit reasons, anyway if I get inept definitif in the trials I'll try the army here, but it's my second choice

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If you're a first worlder, can do the bare minimum physically and have no serious legal or medical issues you've already made it in. Being Italian will help because it's relatively similar to French. The first worlders who desert are usually anglophones. It's a joke that all Americans desert

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i thought being a first wielder was a detriment in selection, anyway I got some shit situation at home so I dont have to make anything up, just want to show that I care alot and that's what I want to do, and i think that also come through showing up fit and having at least some basic French, honestly I can read french Wikipedia articles and understand 80% of it.

            Unless fut fit yeah. If you're fut fut you can make SGT in 3 years. Also it's spelt sergeant not sargant

            >spelling
            I know I just type fast in the phone
            >sgt in 3 years
            the other guy says it's actually very unlikely to happen but idk

            first of all thanks for the answers

            can you guys give me some info on the regiments?
            I want to be infantry, engineers, arty/mortar and vehicles crews are cool but that's not what i want to be, and I also like mountains alot, i often go there for hikes and sleep out, so a mountain unit would be good, but my priorities are chance of deployment, good training, being in the role I want (infantry, light or mech), and getting to a leadership role

            recon companies are cool
            if possible I would like to attend the jungle warfare school bc it's cool as shit.
            2rep is the one that seems cooler because it's pure light infantry, and being a para unit it's more strategically mobile and thus more likely to be deployed as first on the ground if shit happens (correct me if I'm wrong), and I also like the reputation of their training and environment being tough

            then theres 2reg, which ticks the mountain box, and you also get cool genie skills, but it's not line infantry so I'm pretty unsure about it.

            otherwise there's 2REI which is motorized infantry and along with 2rep has the type of mos I want.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              2 REP is the least deployed regiment. Just going to burst that bubble. Most deployed regiment is 2 REG. You won't be able to be arty as that's an artillery regiments job and there is no Legion Etrangere Artillery Regiment. You like the mountains and prioritize deployment 2 REG is the best bet. It's not the hardest physically not by a longshot that's probably 2 REI but it does require a little bit of a brain and you have to do a shit ton of training to get to the baseline. You have to regular FTS but you also have to do two mountain courses one in the winter and one in the summer to get to full deployment level. There's no recon compagnies it's on the platoon level and you have to be in at least a year or two before going in regardless of whether you're a Corporal or not. If you just want to be pure infantry but want that chance of deployment 13 DBLE is your best bet as Im pretty sure they're the most deployed infantry regiment. They also have a compagnie specializing in mountain Combat. The regiment I have left out is 3 REI. They are technically always on deployment in the jungles of Guyana but you have to do FTS at 2 REI before going there and it takes a while to get prepared. It's a whole different process going there and I'm not entirely sure how it works. One of my best friends in boot wne there and he was waiting months to go after finishing basic. About the sergeant in three years thing. You can absolutely make SGT in three years you just literally have to be the best. Speak perfect french, and have insane physical stats as well as have an above average IQ. For instance minimum NG score to get into the Legion is 4/20, to be a Sgt you need 15/20

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                is NG score is the evaluation they give you at the end of selection?

                yeah sorry I was thinking of 2rec which has 2 recon companies

                I e heard that 2rep is the least deployed while 2reg is the most, but isnt that bc atm theres no conflict so 2reg has more to do in low intensity theatres where they perform also humanitarian stuff? while in case of conflict it would be different?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                NG is the French ASVAB. You're kinda right about why 2 REG is the most deployed though it's not humanitarian it's IED and demining. They can still do some infantry tasks but infantry can't demine and deal with IED's in the same way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I dont have prior experience, to get fut fut do the instructors need to select you individually? and for Sargent?
        how does it work?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm thinking your FFL experience is the killer. Every western PMC will think you are working for or with the French Military Intelligence Service, the DGSE. Lots of PMC guys are probably working with or for CIA on the side, but that is not a problem as long as the PMC is cooperating directly with CIA anyway. But in most places where PMCs have work, CIA and DGSE are competitions and quite unwilling to share intel with each other. Sorry dude, but to any US-based PMC you are a liability not an asset.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >should i just give up and become a french cop?
    they are the lowest of the low even in cop raking an the gendarme and even worse

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    just join wagner group bro

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you could probably be on a french swat or counter terror team if you wanted. But it really depends on what you wanna do. Are you trying to see combat or write speeding tickets?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > should i just give up and become a french cop?
    I laughed hard at this and I don't know why.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    frick no, i will never ever use brazil's colors again, frick that shithole. je suis français.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Be a cop and carry a Taurus

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fair be fair. It is hard to think of a PMC job that would be as terrifying and violent as being a cop in Paris. One day you are clubbing students, the next day you are gassing farmers, and every day you walk on streets filthier than a back street in New Delhi where everyone, EVERYONE are hostile toward you. Your self discipline would be tested harder than anything the FFL ever throwed at you.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just joined 6 months ago. I fricking hate it here and I even got one of the chillest regiments. When I was at Castel two of my CPLs were almost finished their contracts. One was AUX SAN in the CCL for and the other was just a regular compagnie combat CPL. Both came from 2 REI and didn't have any special training really other than the medical CPL. They both already has jobs lined up in the Congo as soon as their contracts terminated. We asked the CCL corporal how he got PMC work and he told us you just have to know guys. They both got referred in and form how he said it that's how most guys get the PMC work. Their ex Legion buddies refer them and then they're almost guaranteed a spot.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why do you hate it?
      hows your experience been like ?
      hows the training

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Why you hate it?
        Unprofessional dogshit. We will never get deployed (despite our gay president pretending to send us to Ukraine). It's not some badass band of ex cons and disgraced special forces its 85% guys with IQs of 80 trying to make 15x what they could in Nepal or India. They're all morons and the general quality of the Legion is dogshit. Reg French slabbords are twice our quality
        >How's training been like?
        I won't bother with the selection process because it's so inconsequential. You'll make it in 100%. First 4 months of training happen in Castel. First month will be this thing called the "farm". Don't let anyone tell you otherwise this will be the hardest part of training. You will learn almost nothing it's just testing your mind to see if you really want to be there. It's where most guys ask to leave. It mostly consists of lots of physical activity, not a lot of food, and 4 hours of sleep on a good night. Learn how to iron your clothes. It will save you untold hours of sleep. You basically just get treated like dogshit and slapped around a bunch. The intensity varies by each section so you might have it easier. You finish the farm by doing Kepi Blanc and then you become a legionnaire. That's still not training being finished. After a week of not doing much in Castel you'll go do either formiguerra which is a literal resort just to chill at and relax or caylus. Caylus is where you will qualify with your rifle and you will spend a week just shooting. Next is model one. You will go back to the game for a week but not in the farm house just camping in the adjacent forest. You will dig defensive position and practice very basic combat formations. After is agguerresment. This is just hell week. Just getting fricked for the week. Lots of physical activity but not just running, more stuff like crawling through mud and carrying boats and jumping in the water. After is model 2 which is like model one but you get tested on everything.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          thanks for the info

          >selection is inconsequential
          >you'll make it in 100%
          ????
          I saw that only a minority of people make it in, why would you say that?
          how were the guys that showed up at selection? it like that a bunch of them are literal randos that just went there with no preparation so the real competition is only a % of the total guys?

          where you from?
          you sound like you went in for the military career and not gibs so I assume you're from the west.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm from Canada and other than my NG score I'm really not all that impressive. 50% of the guys who don't make it are guys who don't make it on the first day because they fail medical or IQ. When I was at the preselection place in Paris of the maybe 4-5 guys who came in a day, guaranteed 2 should fail IQ. They're almost all Indian or Nepali and excessively moronic. Once you finish preselection you go the selection process and about half the people there will make it through so all in all 1/4 of the people who apply make it. The standards are lowering a lot it used to be only 15%. Realistically there is no "competition". They will always end up having to pick guys they don't want to, to fill the numbers they need. There a lot of guys they begrudgingly let in. In short if you
            >Have an IQ of above 85
            >Can do 7 pull ups
            >Run 8 on the beep test
            >Have no serious legal or medical issues (realistically only way you won't make it)
            >Are first world white
            You'll make it.
            In my selection group the only two white guys who didn't make it were a meth addicted Estonian who did not conceal his open national socialist belief and an absolute insane mentally ill Romanian with scars form when his father poured boiling water in him

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I can do 31 push ups and 11 pull ups, run for a long time although not very fast, and can do rucks up a mountain with 1km elevation gain and 17kg ruck, although not easily, I dont consider myself a physical Chad but I'm decent i think, in the approx 2 months i got left I think I'll get better too.
              I have a scar from a surgery I got when I was like 8, it doesnt affect me in any way in fact I can do all the stuff I mentioned above, but I fear they might frick me for that, they say to bring papers of the surgery if you got scars, which I'll do, but still

              why did you choose the legion and not the Canadian army, aalthoughI can imagine the answer

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Why did you choose the legion and not the Canadian army, aalthoughI can imagine the answer
                Because I didn't want to join His Majesty's Royal Troon Protection Force but also because I was a fricking idiot and had no idea what I was getting into.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        After model 2 you wait maybe 2 weeks more doing Jack shit get your placement in your section then sent to a regiment. Placement is based on your French levels, physical prowess and general ability to complete orders. To be fut fut it's almost required to be first place in your section here. I don't know exactly how it works for fut futs after this but I think they go to FTS at their regiment which ranges from relatively piss easy to the hardest part of training depending on the regiment. 2 REI is particularly brutal, 2 REP is hard, 13 DBLE is in the middle, 1er REG is easy and 2 REG and 1 REC are nothing. After that you'll go into your section at a combat company and do different stages in no particular order. If you are a fut fut you'll have to do the corporals course which requires excellent physicals and all around is much more difficult than all other previous training

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          thanks for the effort post

          how many guys went fut fut in your training group?
          hows the demographics of the place?
          what reg did you choose if you want to say it

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Brazilian cop. Bope ghetto shootouts fricking based.
    French cop. The very definition of zogbot beating down farmers for a rothschild bankerman.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SWAT is mad comfy. I’m not SWAT but one of my best buddies is and I think about quitting my six figure desk job for it a lot.
    >runs some of the nicest gear with the greatest variety and room for personalization, get to pick your weapons within reason and can train on own time
    >sleep in bed at home every night, never whisked around for deployments
    >most ops short enough to not start sweating into armor, long standoffs mostly spent with option of sitting down
    >snipers are the cool movie types, not the boring military types that have to sit in one place for four days
    >enemies universally underequipped and outnumbered, minimal chance of actually getting killed
    >IEDs, mines, etc minimal
    >if you DO get shot you’re twenty minutes by car from a first world hospital that will shoot you to priority number 1, not a helo ride from a field surgeon
    >local populace indifferent to your presence instead of throwing rocks at you
    I got to play OPFOR with them on some training ops and was taken along for a hostage situation once, it honestly seems like all the fun of the military with a tenth the BS and manual labor.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't become a french cop Brazilian bro, the burnout and suicide is real.
    Get an entry level job in security and climb the corporate ladder to run your own team, and soon work from an office for a cushy salary

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      im doing this at 30 and becoming a zogbot office worker after i fricked up my whole 20s

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    on thing I forgot to ask, 2rep says that their companies all have different specialized training like desert, mountain, urban etc but it seems strange, in the end they're being deployed toghter anyway and a company isnt a big unit so even if specialized it's going to do what all the others do, unlike a mountain unit which is part of a mountain brigade for example, so I don't really understand how that works

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Theyll just do one or two specialized courses in each of those environments.

      thanks for the effort post

      how many guys went fut fut in your training group?
      hows the demographics of the place?
      what reg did you choose if you want to say it

      Zero guys went fut fut in my group of 64. However we did have two Corporals who were training us who were fut futs. Usually it's only one

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what about 13dble?

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If I bring a watch with me to the legion, it should probably be a cheap watch and not my old Casio Protrek?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I mean don't bring a watch that could be considered israeliteelery is my advice. It can still be relatively expensive (some guys have 600 euro watches) but make sure above all that it's strong and practical

      what about 13dble?

      It's a pretty solid regiment. Chiller than 2 REI but usually regarded as the least elite regiment. I might be talking out of my ass here but that's the vibe we kinda get. 2 REI scrapes above because it's a living hell.

      I can do 31 push ups and 11 pull ups, run for a long time although not very fast, and can do rucks up a mountain with 1km elevation gain and 17kg ruck, although not easily, I dont consider myself a physical Chad but I'm decent i think, in the approx 2 months i got left I think I'll get better too.
      I have a scar from a surgery I got when I was like 8, it doesnt affect me in any way in fact I can do all the stuff I mentioned above, but I fear they might frick me for that, they say to bring papers of the surgery if you got scars, which I'll do, but still

      why did you choose the legion and not the Canadian army, aalthoughI can imagine the answer

      All of that stuff will get you in and it's good that you're fricking but to be a fut fut you need to be able to do at least 20 pull-ups. Other than in the preselection process pull-ups arent measured in actual training, it's rope club which you need to be able to do in 6 seconds (5m rope). You need to be able to swim 100m under 1:30 and run 2400m under 9:00 preferably under 8:45. That's not to get in that's just to be considered for fut fut because you have to be the best in your section in Castel to be considered. For instance the top guy in my section ran 2400 in 8:44 (not he best time in our section), climbed the rope in 5 seconds (tied for best in our section, and swam 1:05 (best time in our section). On top of that he was pretty smart learned French quickly and had a real gung ho attitude. Didn't make fut fut though.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        but these are measured at the end of basic right? so if you're starting from a given number during that training you'll get better

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Generally speaking training is so disorganized that unless you have insane discipline the best you can do is stagnate

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry OP, can only speak on the US market. While yes, you can work as a contractor for these companies as a foreigner, it will be in a vastly reduced capacity, and you will get paid peanuts. The experience won't yield any upward mobility either, as you won't gain any clearances, U.S Citizenship and no one will give a frick about you during and after your contract ends. If you are determined for the U.S market, you'd be better off trying to join the U.S Military in special operations (Ranger, Civil Affairs, Special Forces) gaining citizenship and clearance and then doing that thing. I've deployed with a few different foreign nationals with FFL and even FARC experience during my time and know it's possible.

    Good luck outside of that, I know UAE and Saudis like to hire foreigners, Africa is always a hot zone and in need of interpreters with combat experience. As boomerish as this sounds, maybe start emailing security details in Africa, make the move and make connections there?

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, I used to work with so many of ‘you guys’ when I was in corporate security. Most of the ex-mil types (as long as they are not totally moronic but then you are posting here) have a shit ton of bankable skills that they don’t understand they can use. All that organisational and linguistic stuff is great in the civilian market.

    The era of fat PMC contracts is dead unless you want to head to GardaWorld or some Shit, don’t do it, trucks ‘n guns is no way to live. Close Protection details are okay, but boring as frick and your clients are always weird and you are forever on ‘their’ time. So no normal life for you. Some people liked that, I always thought it was a bit odd but who am I to judge.

    The smart ones got ‘out’ of the whole military thing. Check out companies that deal with risk management or insurance. Esp companies that do kidnap insurance.

    Finally if you are a smarter cookie, put your autistic FFL skills to good use and pass a couple of exams to get into cyber sec and get into Assurance and Governance that’s where I am and its cushy af.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP is young (26), fluent in 4 major languages, and sounds gung-ho as frick.

    Pick a good city or province/county to do your policing.

    You'll make detective or some shit like that if you're into solving crimes.

    If not, based areas where police are valued will be comfy enough that you will make enough to buy most things you want (I'm guessing weapons and ammo) and not feel the pinch.

    PMCs are from last century and playing too much Metal Gear / Splinter Cell (ARGUS). A PMC is essentially armed bouncers for venues you can't afford or clients you can't stand.

    Shadow Company (a documentary) from 2012 tells you some of the history of mercenaries, and tells you how often you get fricked by your bosses money-wise and safety-wise.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how many push ups, pull ups, and luc leger levels do people do on average? and how many did the best guys do?

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go gendarmerie then one of their intervention group

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you want to have an interesting life with good pay and stability join your local police national and join RAID.
    If you want to travel all over France and want to live in a military structure join the Gendarmerie.

    Later take your experience to join a high position in SECURITAS or G4S in Switzerland or Luxembourg to make good €€€ and industry connections and then join the private security of a rich guy.

    Tes connaissance linguistique sont un atout absolut pour la police nationale, je te recommends fortement de les joindre. Tu es situé dans quelle ville?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      reading these answers i do feel interested in the idea of joining RAID or GIGN, it does feel safe and i get to operate some high tech equipment, so i will be thinking a lot about it, as apparently it's unanimous here that PMC's get paid very little and only some highly connected ex-sf can make some actual money
      merci, à marseille

      Hope you can speak arabic or african because they both like causing problems in fance

      most africans that come to france speak french, as they are usually from ex-french colonies, and im pretty used to dealing with them

      If I bring a watch with me to the legion, it should probably be a cheap watch and not my old Casio Protrek?

      just take a good look at it and ask yourself : ''does it look expensive enough to be worth the risk of stealing it?''

      You're going to wash out.
      The military and war are not as romantic as you think they are, especially when you're doing it for money or vanity not patriotism or at least ideology.
      You are not Lord Byron. You will not travel to exciting and exotic places and fight a small skirmish to capture a hill with a single canon then spend the evening drinking and singing with your comrades.
      You will be worked to the point of total exhaustion in mud, sweltering heat, and freezing rain. If you deploy you will do the same while watching people die.
      Your comrades will be rough brown dudes who you won't be able to communicate with beyond some broken French. Even without the language barrier their experience scraping by in third world shantytowns will be so far removed from your cushy Western life that you will have no connection.
      They will assume you are a pedophile or something. The only people who endure the hellish trainning of the FFL are running away from something. If that isn't poverty, it's usually some unspeakable crime. They will assume you left your cushy home life and eschewed your own country's military because you committed a heinous crime. One look into your b***h made eyes will show them you're not a killer, so they will assume you are a pedo.

      that's just not true, i had a couple of europeans in my unit and they were not treated differently in the slightest, maybe we thought that they were crazy to abandon the possibility of a comfortable job to be in a foreign military, but nobody saw them as pedos or criminals, also in the legion there's a lot of factionalism, usually you stick with your own there, so hispanics stick with other hispanics, arabs with other arabs and i sticked with an angolan dude and one of the europeans, as he was portuguese.

      although i do agree that war is not glamorous, some people just enjoy it, i did a lot, being in the mud and fighting for my life was surprisingly exciting, which is why i want more in the form of being a PMC or something like that, battle addiction is a real thing, some people are just crazy like that, not everyone is a iraq veteran that falls into depression after a tour. im not saying being in combat and enjoying it is manly or something like that, i dont feel more of a man because of it, i just like it, maybe lil bro there is just like me... or maybe not and he will indeed quit after three months, we will never know.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what nationalities where there in your experience?

        opinions on the new vehicles the army is buying?
        griffon, serval, jaguar, VBCI

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Queria ser você anão

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hope you can speak arabic or african because they both like causing problems in fance

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pump

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    With that experience you can get into ukie intl legion special forces (ГУP) groups and after a year or two of combat ops you can drag your dick over any other SOF troop would-be competitor for a PMC/sec consultant job because those few years of experience are worth 1^10 of whatever time they have in SOF “training” (one ukie combat deployment makes a tour in iraq or afghan seem like mentioning boot camp stories in a resume)
    t. knower

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