i think it was already in the design process while whoever works at q still worked at sig. then k*vin decided to add it to his overpriced lifestyle brand
I remember reading a post on arfcom where some dude was bragging about shooting golfball size groups with one at 100 yards. Like that was impressive accuracy lmao.
You are buying a gimmick, not a precision rifle. I don't know why you would expect otherwise. 2 MOA is still not bad, your expectations are too high. You can buy a good chance at much better accuracy for less, but it will not have a metal chassis, it will not fold and it will not be insanely light. That is what you're paying for.
If you didn't know this, why the fuck are you even interested in the rifle? Just buy a Tikka T3x or Bergara B14 because you don't know what you're doing anyway and spend that money on ammo so you're less of an idiot for the next gun you buy.
>your expectations are too high
No, no they are not. When Savage and Thompson Center can shit out guns at $299 which are more than capable of sub-MOA 7 round groups, there is absolutely no excuse for Sig or Q to pump out a $2000 & $3300 rifle which are 2 MOA on a good day. They are bad designs, you can create a lightweight chassis gun or buy one on any other action and get better accuracy. Stop excusing shit products because they have "gimmicks" which can be replicated by other companies. If your multi-thousand dollar PRECISION RIFLE which is advertised as a LIGHTWEIGHT PRECISION RIFLE has the same accuracy as a Cold War FAL build you have made a bad product.
This. Particularly given, I mean shit just look at it. That isn't a design where you can't have a full float barrel with enough basic $500-level precision to have it be accurate, it's not some traditional classic design where it'd be harder, it's pure modern tacticool, and not even in some innovative way either. What's the fucking point of even having extra weight for shit like a bipod when the inherent accuracy is so mediocre?
Total memegun selling purely on brand, Sig has no shame not that we didn't know that.
Yes I know, I have one. They don't do it with a wide range of ammo though, mine only likes one very specific load that doesn't even make sense given the barrel's twist rate, and the tradeoff is the rest of the guns are clunky near pieces of shit with bargain basement everything. They look and feel like they cost and they have near pencil barrels, it's miraculous that they manage to shoot small groups with even one kind of ammo. There's a reason something like an equivalent Christensen or a Weatherby costs 10 times as much as those bargain shitter T/Cs despite not having any better maximum accuracy.
You're an idiot with unrealistic expectations of everything. You want to have your cake and eat it too, well you can't without paying more. 1 MOA isn't some kind of global standard, I don't know why people insist it is. 1 MOA is exceptional not the rule. Just because a gun accidentally shot a small group once out of 20 with one kind of ammo doesn't make that a 1 MOA gun either, that's another misconception.
This. Particularly given, I mean shit just look at it. That isn't a design where you can't have a full float barrel with enough basic $500-level precision to have it be accurate, it's not some traditional classic design where it'd be harder, it's pure modern tacticool, and not even in some innovative way either. What's the fucking point of even having extra weight for shit like a bipod when the inherent accuracy is so mediocre?
Total memegun selling purely on brand, Sig has no shame not that we didn't know that.
You missed the point entirely. Name another gun in the same category other than the Fix which has similar accuracy. Name one that costs less with better accuracy. Hell, name one that costs more and has better accuracy.
Do you know why you can't? Yes you do, but let's see if you'll admit it.
Go away Kevin. >well you can't without paying more
$2000+ is way out of cheap rifle territory. >1 MOA isn't some kind of global standard, I don't know why people insist it is.
Because you're a raging homosexual. >1 MOA is exceptional not the rule
No, it's literally the rule out of decent cheapshit ARs let alone bolt guns costing over 1k. It's not the 1980s anymore.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You literally do not understand what "1 MOA" means in this context, stop posting.
>Name another gun in the same category other than the Fix which has similar accuracy. Name one that costs less with better accuracy. Hell, name one that costs more and has better accuracy.
yea CA MPR shits on the Cross and the Q, and its a sub MOA gun all day long
source: I own one.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>ca mpr
Ya I'm fucking bummed I didn't see one of these until I already bought the cross. I don't think they existed at the time, but it's exactly what I was looking for
1 month ago
Anonymous
That is an equivalent gun but it's not in the same category. That is a traditional barreled action gun in a chassis, of course it's substantially more accurate, it's not the same thing.
I also notice you didn't post pictures to prove ownership or more importantly a large collage of targets showing several different groups of several different factory loads proving it's "1 MOA all day long." Wonder why that is.
Yes I know, I have one. They don't do it with a wide range of ammo though, mine only likes one very specific load that doesn't even make sense given the barrel's twist rate, and the tradeoff is the rest of the guns are clunky near pieces of shit with bargain basement everything. They look and feel like they cost and they have near pencil barrels, it's miraculous that they manage to shoot small groups with even one kind of ammo. There's a reason something like an equivalent Christensen or a Weatherby costs 10 times as much as those bargain shitter T/Cs despite not having any better maximum accuracy.
You're an idiot with unrealistic expectations of everything. You want to have your cake and eat it too, well you can't without paying more. 1 MOA isn't some kind of global standard, I don't know why people insist it is. 1 MOA is exceptional not the rule. Just because a gun accidentally shot a small group once out of 20 with one kind of ammo doesn't make that a 1 MOA gun either, that's another misconception.
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You missed the point entirely. Name another gun in the same category other than the Fix which has similar accuracy. Name one that costs less with better accuracy. Hell, name one that costs more and has better accuracy.
Do you know why you can't? Yes you do, but let's see if you'll admit it.
Because I'm tired of people pretending >hurr muh 1 moa all day
and expecting it like it's a given for anything over $300. Most guns with most ammo are around 2 MOA, some will do 1 MOA with one kind of ammo, fewer with more than 1 factory load, more with handloads but that doesn't count because you can tune a handload for any gun. It's a rare fucking gun that will even do 1 MOA, repeatably, with 2-3 factory loads let alone better than 1 MOA. Shooting one cloverleaf among 50 groups isn't accuracy it's a fluke and God damn it I want people to stop pretending it isn't.
These dumbasses think money=accuracy when that's not the case, which is ironic because anon even brought up the super cheapy Savage and T/Cs that can sometimes do great accuracy.
>2-5 MOA rifle in a market where sub-MOA can be achieved at any price point.
lol what are you serious? a rifle like that isn't sub-moa?
Sort of, effectively yes. With hand loads or the right factory loads, it'll shoot much better than that. Sig copied their design from The Fix which itself is plagued by accuracy issues and needed numerous recalls. It's a compact ultralight rifle, so don't expect a tack driver I guess. Bit of a shame really
metal chassis guns suck to carry in the cold.
it's probably just going to be a range toy, so who cares?
Looks neat, but I don’t buy cohen sigs, German or Swiss only.
2-5 MOA rifle in a market where sub-MOA can be achieved at any price point.
>2-5 MOA rifle in a market where sub-MOA can be achieved at any price point.
lol what are you serious? a rifle like that isn't sub-moa?
I'm dead serious, they have a really terrible barrel bedding system which results in awful accuracy. They're flawed guns and not worth your time.
jesus, well thanks anons and fuck you sig us you fucking government teat sucking hacks
i thought that was the Q Fix
It's with both, funnily enough as they share a lot of the same design cues (arguably stolen by Sig, so Sig stole a bad design).
i think it was already in the design process while whoever works at q still worked at sig. then k*vin decided to add it to his overpriced lifestyle brand
Kevin is such a tremendous homosexual
I remember reading a post on arfcom where some dude was bragging about shooting golfball size groups with one at 100 yards. Like that was impressive accuracy lmao.
it's notoriously not sub MOA, it's 1.5 at BEST. It's also had recalls.
US Sig is straight trash
You are buying a gimmick, not a precision rifle. I don't know why you would expect otherwise. 2 MOA is still not bad, your expectations are too high. You can buy a good chance at much better accuracy for less, but it will not have a metal chassis, it will not fold and it will not be insanely light. That is what you're paying for.
If you didn't know this, why the fuck are you even interested in the rifle? Just buy a Tikka T3x or Bergara B14 because you don't know what you're doing anyway and spend that money on ammo so you're less of an idiot for the next gun you buy.
>your expectations are too high
No, no they are not. When Savage and Thompson Center can shit out guns at $299 which are more than capable of sub-MOA 7 round groups, there is absolutely no excuse for Sig or Q to pump out a $2000 & $3300 rifle which are 2 MOA on a good day. They are bad designs, you can create a lightweight chassis gun or buy one on any other action and get better accuracy. Stop excusing shit products because they have "gimmicks" which can be replicated by other companies. If your multi-thousand dollar PRECISION RIFLE which is advertised as a LIGHTWEIGHT PRECISION RIFLE has the same accuracy as a Cold War FAL build you have made a bad product.
Stop.
This. Particularly given, I mean shit just look at it. That isn't a design where you can't have a full float barrel with enough basic $500-level precision to have it be accurate, it's not some traditional classic design where it'd be harder, it's pure modern tacticool, and not even in some innovative way either. What's the fucking point of even having extra weight for shit like a bipod when the inherent accuracy is so mediocre?
Total memegun selling purely on brand, Sig has no shame not that we didn't know that.
Didn't the retards at Q try to blame a very highly regarded barrel manufacturer for the Fix's shit accuracy? I vaguely remember some drama about that.
Yes. Luckily everyone involved (correctly) assumed that meant Kevin was a lying homosexual and lambasted him for it
Yes I know, I have one. They don't do it with a wide range of ammo though, mine only likes one very specific load that doesn't even make sense given the barrel's twist rate, and the tradeoff is the rest of the guns are clunky near pieces of shit with bargain basement everything. They look and feel like they cost and they have near pencil barrels, it's miraculous that they manage to shoot small groups with even one kind of ammo. There's a reason something like an equivalent Christensen or a Weatherby costs 10 times as much as those bargain shitter T/Cs despite not having any better maximum accuracy.
You're an idiot with unrealistic expectations of everything. You want to have your cake and eat it too, well you can't without paying more. 1 MOA isn't some kind of global standard, I don't know why people insist it is. 1 MOA is exceptional not the rule. Just because a gun accidentally shot a small group once out of 20 with one kind of ammo doesn't make that a 1 MOA gun either, that's another misconception.
You missed the point entirely. Name another gun in the same category other than the Fix which has similar accuracy. Name one that costs less with better accuracy. Hell, name one that costs more and has better accuracy.
Do you know why you can't? Yes you do, but let's see if you'll admit it.
Go away Kevin.
>well you can't without paying more
$2000+ is way out of cheap rifle territory.
>1 MOA isn't some kind of global standard, I don't know why people insist it is.
Because you're a raging homosexual.
>1 MOA is exceptional not the rule
No, it's literally the rule out of decent cheapshit ARs let alone bolt guns costing over 1k. It's not the 1980s anymore.
You literally do not understand what "1 MOA" means in this context, stop posting.
>Name another gun in the same category other than the Fix which has similar accuracy
Not him, but a Tikka in an MDT chassis? Might be heavier.
Don't listen to these fucktards, Texas Plinking tried a variety of ammo and it's sub-MOA with match ammo. MD did the same.
>Name another gun in the same category other than the Fix which has similar accuracy. Name one that costs less with better accuracy. Hell, name one that costs more and has better accuracy.
yea CA MPR shits on the Cross and the Q, and its a sub MOA gun all day long
source: I own one.
>ca mpr
Ya I'm fucking bummed I didn't see one of these until I already bought the cross. I don't think they existed at the time, but it's exactly what I was looking for
That is an equivalent gun but it's not in the same category. That is a traditional barreled action gun in a chassis, of course it's substantially more accurate, it's not the same thing.
I also notice you didn't post pictures to prove ownership or more importantly a large collage of targets showing several different groups of several different factory loads proving it's "1 MOA all day long." Wonder why that is.
What are you being an insufferable shithead for?
Because I'm tired of people pretending
>hurr muh 1 moa all day
and expecting it like it's a given for anything over $300. Most guns with most ammo are around 2 MOA, some will do 1 MOA with one kind of ammo, fewer with more than 1 factory load, more with handloads but that doesn't count because you can tune a handload for any gun. It's a rare fucking gun that will even do 1 MOA, repeatably, with 2-3 factory loads let alone better than 1 MOA. Shooting one cloverleaf among 50 groups isn't accuracy it's a fluke and God damn it I want people to stop pretending it isn't.
These dumbasses think money=accuracy when that's not the case, which is ironic because anon even brought up the super cheapy Savage and T/Cs that can sometimes do great accuracy.
Sort of, effectively yes. With hand loads or the right factory loads, it'll shoot much better than that. Sig copied their design from The Fix which itself is plagued by accuracy issues and needed numerous recalls. It's a compact ultralight rifle, so don't expect a tack driver I guess. Bit of a shame really
B14s and tikkas exist so no
just buy a Bergara b14 hmr and get Hornady match Ammo