Congrats, you've just been put in charge of building the military of a new founded nation.

Congrats, you've just been put in charge of building the military of a new founded nation. This nation has a population of about 50 million people and is relatively well developed. You've got a budget of about 50 billion USD, part of your goal is to help build your own MIC.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I go all in on elite professional infantry, IFVs, drones, stealth jets, etc. Basically whatever people are saying is the future of warfare. If it works I'll have the most advanced army around most suited for modern warfare, if not I can still LARP as one because I'll subvert the millions of "the age of the tank is over!!!"-type guys to think I'm the only smart man in the room.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Gripen is fairly mediocre but if you want to build an air force while also building an aerospace industry that's where I'd go. Failing that buy slav/chink shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty cute too

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeahh and make a deal with sweden for all their archer tech too.

      Then buy a shit load of older abrams and bradleys to accompany the Gripens and Archers

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mandatory blurry by puddle of mudd and the entire airforce consists of f-14 and f-15s
    ground troops are modernized m60 pattons, m1 bradleys, m81 woodland, alice gear and m16a2s

    There is a secretive elite wing of f22 pilots in all black paintjobs calles the Blacks (Black means black)

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The scenario is too vague. Athens or Sparta?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You've got 50 billion USD, what do you buy? Keep in mind that you want to boot strap your own MIC. This nation is relatively well developed so finding/trading people isn't a huge issue.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With 50 billion there's a lot of stuff it would make more sense to import or license build. You could do an entirely new supply chain from scratch, but you'd be duplicating existing capabilities and wasting money for no reason.

        For example, fighter aircraft. You're never going to be able to field something as good as the F-35 for 80 million a unit. Just buy F-35s.

        The one place where it would make sense to focus on independent research and development is things like drone swarms that aren't really developed yet. The meta is to pool resources with other countries on joint projects, so that you all get access to the cool technology at the end of it.

        Also, drones. If you're smart you get a good drone industry going and just use Starlink to run all the little bastards.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See

        https://i.imgur.com/iIENmGk.jpg

        Real, boring answer: Join NATO or another alliance like ANSUZ and then coast off the US

        Fun answer: Buy F-35s and a ton of GMLRS. When the enemy shows up, drown them in PGMs that they have no way of stopping and paralyze their military. Make the standard small arms round for your military 6.8x51mm just to piss people off.

        Detailed answer: It would depend on the geographical and geopolitical situation and your countries foreign policy goals.

        For example, a geographically isolated country like Australia is going to invest in things like subs, because all of their threats are naval, and because a nuclear sub is the only thing that realistically has the range to get to an actual battlefield from Australia.

        Conversely, a country like Poland or Saudi Arabia has the problem right the fuck in their backyard and is interested in things like main battle tanks and air defense systems to deal with an immediate threat. A related problem is that the shit you buy to blunt an enemy armored spearhead is different than the shit you buy to deal with insurgents or Iranians lobbing drones at your oil fields.

        Countries with independent foreign policy commitments around the world (UK, France) will also be more interested in force projection than countries like Canada and Germany that only ever coast off of the US.

        TL;DR buy F-35s.

        It’s mostly a matter of geography.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Real, boring answer: Join NATO or another alliance like ANSUZ and then coast off the US

    Fun answer: Buy F-35s and a ton of GMLRS. When the enemy shows up, drown them in PGMs that they have no way of stopping and paralyze their military. Make the standard small arms round for your military 6.8x51mm just to piss people off.

    Detailed answer: It would depend on the geographical and geopolitical situation and your countries foreign policy goals.

    For example, a geographically isolated country like Australia is going to invest in things like subs, because all of their threats are naval, and because a nuclear sub is the only thing that realistically has the range to get to an actual battlefield from Australia.

    Conversely, a country like Poland or Saudi Arabia has the problem right the fuck in their backyard and is interested in things like main battle tanks and air defense systems to deal with an immediate threat. A related problem is that the shit you buy to blunt an enemy armored spearhead is different than the shit you buy to deal with insurgents or Iranians lobbing drones at your oil fields.

    Countries with independent foreign policy commitments around the world (UK, France) will also be more interested in force projection than countries like Canada and Germany that only ever coast off of the US.

    TL;DR buy F-35s.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nuclear subs
      >figured it would be a bit steep on a 50 billion dollar pricetag
      >a virginia class sub is less than 4 bil
      That's surprisingly cheap.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a neat capability. Unlimited range, and a massive pain in the ass to everything.

        The one problem is finding somebody willing to sell nuclear subs to a non nuclear country.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it depends
    were mostly land based or water based?
    and if land based, what is the most common type of terrain in this country? or were the demographic centers are?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mostly land based but you do have a coast that sees a good amount of trade, so you need to protect it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        mostly desert, forest, tundra, mountains or grassy plains?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Let's say that the geography is similar to Northern Europe.

          The big question is what kind of shit you're trying to defense, who you're defending it from, and what allies you have.

          The answer is a lot different for Ukraine than it would be for Iceland.

          You've got friends in the region but also nations you consider "security threats". These nations are more militarised than you but are less developed.

          Your population is about 50 million with the biggest center being your capital which is on the coast. Most of your trade flows through your ports. You have a decent amount of mineral and hydrocarbon wealth that you export.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Let's say that the geography is similar to Northern Europe.
            That doesn't really help given that by the UN's definition of Northern Europe, this nation's geography could be anything from Iceland to Norway to the Baltic States.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Scandinavian then.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All money put towards pirate ships

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Make sure you put barcodes on your ships, so when they come back to port you can Scandinavian!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                DAMN IT CARLOS

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                CV90 variants for the vehicles.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (1) Let’s assume it’s Sweden so it’s semi hard.
                Let’s start by analyzing our geographical situation. We have lowlands in the south, which is where most of our population resides. The long border with Norway is mostly mountainous while the short border with Finland is taiga/tundra type. We have a long coastline with trade routes and fishing grounds. There are two major and populated plus some minor islands in our territorial waters. The northern 60% of our country are sparsely populated and climate is harsh. It’s mostly wooded highlands, turning into tundra type terrain the further we go north.
                Let’s start with national objectives. We want to ensure
                >Independence and territorial integrity
                >secure trade
                Our long coastline and islands plus dependence on overseas trade demands that we invest in a navy. The Baltic Sea is relatively small, but our coastline is the longest of all countries in the area. That means we will need a sizable fleet to cover it. We will not need anything like carriers, because we can reach any point in the Baltic with landbased aircraft. This allows us to mainly use air launched ASM to combat enemy surface ships. This again allows us to use ships mainly for
                submarine hunting, airdefense and policing. We can likely get away with a fleet comprised mostly of small fast frigates, some submarines and patrol boats.
                Due to the size of our country and the idea of using our landmass as a giant carrier, we will need a substantial airforce armed with high quality long range missles. This is one of the focus points for our MIC, as it is vital for our national defense strategy. Given our budget, we will only invest in one type of multirole aircraft.
                For the army we will go with a continental type organization and 6 active brigades plus one independent regiment. 2x mechanized, 2x medium, 1x mountain, 1x paratrooper. The independent regiment will be our SF.
                The mechanized brigades will be tasked with defending the lowlands.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (2) The medium brigades (think SBCTs) will cover the rest of our territory.
                The mountain troops will cover the mountains and the arctic region. The paratroopers are our mostly helibourne national QRF and intervention forces for some african adventures, because everybody needs those. Our SF will be a scaled down clone of UKSF, because the bongs know their stuff and have a really good model for a small but effective force. One batallion SAS clones, one ranger type batallion and a recon/intel company.
                Our army will have a sizable helicopter fleet due to the size of our country and lack of infrastructure in large areas.
                We will not operate strategic airlift capabilities. If we play beat the darky, we will always do it with friends. It’s more fun that way.
                Our soldiers will all be full time professionals and will be automatically for a reserve after leaving active duty. We will also have different reserve formations, trained for basic tasks like logistics and guard duty.
                >Equipment
                Airforce:
                We will use a multirole jet with low operating costs that is good enough, so we get enough airframes. Either F16 or Gripen.
                This way we can disperse our airforce over many bases to increase the chance some airframes survive a surprise first strike. We also want to be able to use our advanced missles and a lot of them at the same time.
                Navy:
                For subs we are basically stuck with German 212/214 because they are optimized for the Baltic.
                Above I forgot about corvettes, which would be even better than a mix of frigates and patrol boats. I will actually take the Visby, because that’s what the Swedes use. They do most of what we want from our ships and are cheap.

                Army:
                Leo2 and Bradley for mechanized troops
                Boxer for medium troops
                Bong helos
                The Boxer 155 and HIMARS for artillery

                M4s and M240s as standard weapons.
                The usual heavy machine guns, grenade launchers and mortars.

                The rest of research goes into drones, AI and EW.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no F-35s

                0/10 see me after class

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Too expensive to operate meaning too few airframes. I want to use my planes as missle trucks and for occasional bombing of sandpeople. Everybody I would need F35 for to fight is either in NATO or doesn’t share a land border with me. I have no use for those.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was assuming from the Sweden analogy that there would some kind of not-Russia that you might need to bomb.

                Granted, the Russians are in such a sorry state that F-16s would probably work, but I'd feel safer having a VLO aircraft to roflstomp their IADS. Especially since we're starting from scratch and fifth gen is a lot more futureproof.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Totally not Russia can only invade me by sea or air. They can try to blockade me.
                For whatever scenario, I would want a lot of airframes surviving sabotage and opening barrages so I could spam them so hard with my missles that they are effectively deterred. No use to have 60 planes when 15 are undergoing maintenance and the rest is spread over too few bases to ensure that at least some survive a surprise attack.
                I would rather put big money into a seabed sensor system, ISR satellites and a huge stash of missles. If NATO didn’t exist and anybody could be hostile, I would invest in a second mountain/arctic brigade.
                Of course I will not join treaties on AP mines and cluster munitions.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If your main worry is a land war somewhere in the region, you'd be more focused on armored forces and good artillery.

            Maybe buy/license Abrams or Leopards to serve as the spearhead, GMLRS and something like the M777 to provide fire support, and either homebrew or license produce APCs/IFVs for mechanized infantry.

            Honestly, with 50 billion you could probably get air superiority in the opening phases of the war and just spend the rest of the time raping them with PGMs. This is what Israel does with their small but very expensive military and it's always worked out for them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The big question is what kind of shit you're trying to defense, who you're defending it from, and what allies you have.

        The answer is a lot different for Ukraine than it would be for Iceland.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I invest heavily into modern centerfire primer production and into reasearch/development for greener priming compounds. Subsidize the industry and export. Undercut competitiors. Use profits to begin research/development of biodegradable plastic casings a la True Velocity AND into a reloadable alternative. Shill this ad nauseum to first world militaries and the commercial market. Maybe start a copper mining operation and brass production to satisfy holdouts. Eventually move into making artillery shells.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is our geographic situation? An achipelago nation in the South Pacific is going to need a very different military from a landlocked state in Central Asia or a country in the jungles of northern South America. What are our international relations like? Who are we close to? Who are our enemies? Are there any great powers that we would like to get closer to? Are any of our neighboring countries hostile, or are we surrounded by neutral or friendly states? If we have enemies, how strong are they compared to us, and what is their preferred strategy to fuck with us? Do we even have neighboring states, or are we an island state somewhere in the middle of the Pacific, and our nearest neighbor is some Micronesian island state 2000 kilometers away?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I invest every penny into nukes and partisan/guerilla force training for my military and civilian populace. Every single civilian must be trained to use and own a basic rifle at a bare minimum. I turn physical fitness, hunting and martial/guerilla training into a cult in my nation and turn my military into a small special forces type force capable of leading the civilian populace should the need ever arise. Basically, make invading my country as unappetizing a prospect as possible, while also making myself a nuclear power so nobody gets into their head that they can just nuke me if they want to. I will never ever ever be as powerful or influential as the superpowers of the world. That's fine by me as long as they leave my nation in peace. The only way to make sure they do this is to make sure they know that attacking me is simply not worth it.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Am I landlocked or what? Geography please

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what if I nuke the capital instead

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    John William from Oured Oblast here, the Osean Defense Force is garbage and rubbish. They train women to be fighter pilots and do not spend money funding massive superweapons, unlike the proud Yuktobanian military. In any conflict Yuktobania would wreck Osea, we should allow ourselves to be subservient to them and not pretend to be "on par" with glorious yuktobania

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what are you gonna do if I do? Nuke yourself?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Infiltrate your military and arms industry at the highest levels and use subterfuge to get you embroiled in a war, then take over the world!

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would invest in the education system for all forms of engineers, scientists, etc. As well as engineers and what have you that are already existent. I'd offer them jobs for double of what they make currently + the benefits. I would also establish an intelligence agency and start gaining intel on the biggest powers in order to reverse engineer and develop technology of the similar status. I would not act hostile towards anyone and would try getting on the good side of either the U.S. or China. But I think NATO would be the better option for me. Lastly, I would look to expand that budget by being a large producer in minerals and natural resources. From there, I'd just work on being as neutral as possible and growing very steadily over many years until we reach a status similar to that of my competition.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Giant robots

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would basically just do what the Polish are doing be willing to buy any military equipment from a foreign nation if they allow me to completely build it my new nation. This allows my population to slowly gain the experience needed to develop there own internal stuff.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Immediately order that every last Belk*n man, woman and child is placed in camps.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There will be no conventional infantry forces under the command of the central state and government; only base security forces, MPs, and special operations units. Signature small arms by manned units will be Serbian and Bulgarian AKs, PKMs, and various non-standard firearms with small unit tactic based mostly on sniper tactics, asymmetric warfare, MANPADs, dazzlers, and anti-drone tech. The majority of the armed forces will comprise of ballistic and interceptive missile forces including S400 and dazzler DEW units and air forces lead by all drone units.
    All bases, base operations, land and aircrafts, equipment, and personnel will be based entirely underground. All blue water naval craft, if any, will be comprised of nuclear powered submariner vessels.
    All law abiding individuals within the country, citizens or otherwise shall be allowed to manufacture, modify, purchase, sell, own, and operate whatever ground based and antipersonnel small arms, cannons/ artillery, tanks, and explosives incl mortars, grenade launchers, and MANPADs they want, if they can afford them. Period.
    Loans for small arms shall be given out on the basis individuals join state recognized allied militias or privatized national guard paramilitary organizations accountable to the defense of their communities and the nation, not the state or government.
    CBRNE WMDs will be prohibited from domestic and foreign use for being too a high a risk of collateral damage to the nation.
    MIC will be focused on humanoid personnel drones, modular mech suits, modular closed system habitation, submariner aircraft carriers and trans-aero-hydronautical vessels, transorbital transportation and habitation, subterranean excavation, geological/ seismological/ meterological based technologies, caseless small arms and DEWs, GGGQEPs, and consumer grade fusion energy, funded entirely by conditionally free and publically transparent foreign and private overseas investments and militia loan interest.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gonna be the designated Korea shill I guess, because if the goal is tech transfer South Korea will happily sell you entire K2 and TA-50 production lines right now. Maybe we could even get a deal on the KF-21.

    Also, buy any 203mm guns South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan have left. Begin building a factory for new 203mm barrels and ammunition. Commission Lockmart or Bofors or whoever is willing to jointly develop a bunch of fun 203mm special ammo, like BIG BONUS or "fuck this entire grid square and also the convention on cluster munitions" BIG DPICM

    Imagine the range on a 203mm gun launched ramjet

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is the K2 any good? I remember a lot of shilling for it back in like 2010 but it's been a while since I heard anything.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a box of composite armor with APS and a 120mm gun, anything more detailed than that is probably classified. I assume it's fine.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Join NATO
    >Invest heavily in Intelligence and special forces training
    >Become a premier supplier of asymmetric/spec ops warfare to NATO by contributing a smaller, professional army.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    50 billion is very little really if from scratch. Depends a bit on your territory because you'd have to really prioritise. Probably go with, say, 24 F-16s, see what you can second hand in a couple of destroyers and patrol boats, otherwise infantry small arms and light artillery. Maybe half a dozen old transport helicopters. By the time you've built relevant infrastructure that is all your money gone.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm in.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hire every mute pilot you can find.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Standardise arms for civilians, then form militia's, then organise into a reserve and professional military. The goal is to have more weapons ammo than people.
    Start by individual weapons, then crew served weapons, then vehicle mounted.
    Weaponize logistics trucks, trains, cargo planes, cargo ships with palletized munitions.
    Defensive infrastructure, emergency life saving stock piles are important, and gears international perception to view as a non threat, but with respect.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know what would be smart? Build metros in major cities and use those as bomb shelters.

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