Anyone know of any resources that'd help to gain a basic understanding of the kinds of wounds you'd have to treat as a combat medic?
I know that it's not a substitute for actual training, but I just want to build a solid base of knowledge right now.
internet searching will help you answer those questions
read this little book to get you started and then take a EMT course, its usually about 1k$ but well worth it, if u cant afford it take first aid/stop the bleed
the field guide of wilderness & rescue medicine
t. paramedic
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/emergency-war-surgery-nato-handbook-navmed-p-5059/18326074/item/33831387/
Unironically a good resource. Though a "combat medic" is the most basic b***h of the medical ladder. Just keep the fricker from bleeding out and bring him in one piece to the hospital. A nurse can teach you how to put an IV. blah blah.
Christ. Don't think that will be useful in the field but it's great for desensitizing yourself to how fricking awful war injuries can be.
By the way, do you know without googling what a "brachial plexus" is? If not, then brush up on nerve anatomy. You should know every bone in the body and most important arteries, veins and Neurovascular bundles. It's not like you'll be able to do shit because you are not a surgeon but at least you won't look like a moron when explaining what the injuty to an actual qualified MD.
Ty anon, I'll add that to my list of stuff to do.
By the way, why the frick do you want to be a combat medic. Have some ambition and formal education, and become an actual MD. Or at least a nurse. Being a combat medic screams "I want to help the war effort but I'm too much of a pussy to actually kill, so I'll just be a hero saving lives like hacksaw ridge."
They’re braver than you
But shit at actually saving lives. The people with the KNOWLEDGE actually do the saving. And those are the ones we need.
Easiest way to get accepted into the Ukr international legion without combat experience
At least tell me you speak Russian, or Ukrainian. Not another one of those. Look, what's up with people with NO EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE volunteering for shit they are not ready for. What part of "you'll get in the way" you don't understand?
If I were the legion, I'd want to see a photo of you over a dude you smoked. Not a wide-eyed "combat medic" who doesn't know basic anatomy.
...Do you think I'm in Ukraine right now? The war seems like it might last a few more years. I'm learning ukrainian right now, and I'm studying the basics on this stuff so when I take my combat medic course I'm not wandering in blind.
Chill
Don’t worry anon. Even if you miss this one there will always be another war
To be honest I don't think I'd want to go fight in a war. I don't even want to go fight in this one but I've got family members who are and it's killing me to be sitting at home doing nothing while they're out there risking their lives. I guess it would depend on the war and what's at stake.
Well anon I served in the army and I can at least tell you whatever you’re feeling right now will wear off two months into being in an actual war. Mind you, you may get new motivations for doing your job, but that guilt stuff’s gonna leave your brain the instant you realize where you are
...and let me add, how little you actually matter in the grand scheme of things.
Everything falls apart if individuals don't follow their conscience, at least in the types of societies we're trying to build. That's the difference between us and the Russians. All of a sudden everyone starts believing doing the right thing isn't important and you have problems.
I feel like shit for not being able to make a difference, but I also have pretty strong moral convictions about this in any case. I'm fairly certain if they get me there, they'll get me the rest of the way.
lmao, yeah right. Have you ever taken someone's temperature or BP? Do you know the right procedures for different types of injuries? Do you understand the risks of everything you do on a patient? There's a reason we in the medical field have to study for years. And Yes I do fricking have a chip on my shoulder about it. I make little fricking money and had to spend MANY years fricking sucking up info and experience; because I'm a pro and I want what's best for the patient. You lazy c**ts that think it's easy or easier than being a rifleman drives me nuts.
homie I want to do the best I can to save lives, which is why I'm going to be reading a shitton of material on the subject before I even take any courses, which is why I made this thread in the first place. Take a chill pill.
Okay fine, you put up with my little tirade. Sorry. If you haven't already, learn to use ANKI. And download a medicine or basic anatomy deck. That helps. Also, download (pirate) or buy visual body 3D, and do every quiz. That's what I did for my tests and initial dive into the knowledge.
Ty anon, I'm sure you've seen your fair share of shit. I'll add that to my list of stuff to do
>There's a reason we in the medical field have to study for years. And Yes I do fricking have a chip on my shoulder about it. I make little fricking money and had to spend MANY years fricking sucking up info and experience; because I'm a pro and I want what's best for the patient.
Calm the frick down. You sound like an assmad Nursing Aide. Idk what happened to make this attitude enter the healthcare field in the past decade but it needs to fricking stop before nurses start their "thank me for my service" phase, too.
>You sound like an assmad Nursing Aide.
Lol, like when I make the "nurses" at the home tell me their real qualifications
I'm MD. late 20s. pals who went into biz and tech make much more even though i studied and worked x3. Also, working in the pandemic fricking sucked.
Nah, I'll have to disagree. This war will end by midyear. I'm sure. May is going to be a spicy month.
Tbh that would be great, I just don't see it happening with the amount of sheer metal and men Russia can throw at the front.
Medics have to drag full grown limp men away from a battlefield, try and stay calm enough to save a man’s life, deal with the fact that they may have caused a death due to a mistake, live under constant fear due to being targeted, have dozens of lives in their hands, all while being under fire and in a war zone. How the frick is that pussy you moron? Why are you surprised he wants to do this compared to taking care of old people and drug addict?
Unironically: join your local NG infantry unit as a 68W.
Deployed medicine app
Improvised medicine - KV Iserson
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Ty anon much appreciated
Medical terminology would be a good start, specifically in relation to how you describe injuries in relation to the rest of the body. But before you that you should do a ride along with a local ambulance/ fire department to see if you can stomach gruesome shit, seeing a human dismembered in person is a world of a difference compared to watching it in a video.
Do you just call them and ask?
Volunteer firefighter, volunteer and be useful
What about St John's ambulance? That's available as a volunteer thing here.
How about you calm down on volunteering and start training your brain, you absolute piece of ADHD?
As another anon said it's one thing to see videos of gruesome stuff on the internet, and it's another to see it in real life. Doing ambulance ride alongs would probably be a better way of doing that though.
sigh
Do it a couple of times for the fun of it and all. But your usefulness comes from what you learn and study. How many cranial nerves are there? What is the major risk to burn victims? What are the biosafety procedures for giving a shot? The fancy, adrenaline pumping stuff won't come unless you get the basics.
Ye obviously the ratio of study to experiencing stuff will be limited, but I'll keep those things you said in mind
OP, do not use the following:
>Materials older than 15-20yrs
>Youtubers/personalities/companies selling you shit
I'm pretty sure you can find relatively recent US Army TCCC books online. Those are your best bet imo. But realistically you need to learn this shit in a class or from a professional
t. former medic, now medical student
>recent US Army TCCC books online
I'll add that to my reading list. Ty for the advice on not reading old stuff. I'm going to take classes for this eventually but they're quite expensive so I'd rather have a decent core of knowledge rather than dropping in dry.
I actually liked this thread until you admitted you're just another fricking moron looking to join the war.
Combat medics, in the US, go from entering basic to deploying as a medic in just a little over 6 months. I promise you Ukraine is giving their medics less than that. 68W is the second most common MOS in the US Army, most other militaries closely follow suit. What I'm saying is that almost every military has no shortage of medics or the framework to train new ones.
What in the frick do you think makes you so special that you're going to make a difference when they can train one of their own to do the same thing in 120 days? That's not even mentioning the language and culture barrier that I'm willing to bet you've given all of two minutes of thought to. If you were a surgeon or something where there's a very finite amount of people who can do the job and a very long training time to get them there, I would say have at it, but you're not. You're not even a bandage b***h yet, and they mint a new batch of them every week.
I get so fricking tired of these morons with Main Character Syndrome who think they're going to change the world by showing up to a warzone with literally zero useful skills. This is the kind of shit I thought when I was an angsty 14 year old, get the frick over yourselves.
I think you've got some issues of your own to deal with mate. An anon who is a combat medic volunteer over there told me in another thread I'd be able to do a lot as good as one and it'd make them more likely to take me, so that's what I'm doing. Don't really care about saving the war or ending it singlehanded, that's not what soldiers are for. If I can save even one life, it'll be worth the effort to me.
His point is that Ukraine is not suffering from a shortage of manpower. Domestically, they have millions of men eager to volunteer. What they need is arms, not more volunteers. The only reason they're accepting any volunteers in the first place is because the Ukrainian army lacks certain specialists, who take a long time to train, so they can use foreign volunteers to fill in those holes. A combat medic, as pointed out by him, is not particularly difficult to train. You're also not from Ukraine, so there would be large language barrier. In this conflict, you would basically be a worse version of any other Ukrainian volunteer, and since they have millions of those, there's really no reason you would be particularly helpful.
He's definitely being a bit of a dick about the way he's saying it, and probably projecting a bit as well, particularly when accuses you of having main character syndrome. But his main point, that you'd be a liability moreso than an asset, is entirely correct. If you want to help Ukraine, the most efficient way to do that would probably be donating to the Ukrainian military.
No offense but I'm going to trust the word of someone who is actually over there in the trenches over yours. I'm learning Ukrainian and I'd imagine with all the mixed language teams having a combat medic who can speak both languages will be an asset.
Also, Ukraine might not currently lack troops but that might change depending on how many troops Russia is able to mobilize and how long the war goes on for.
>Also, Ukraine might not currently lack troops but that might change depending on how many troops Russia is able to mobilize and how long the war goes on for.
That is true, but given the sheer extent of Ukraine's manpower reserves, it would have to be a particularly bloody war for it to get to that point. If casualties continue at their current rate, I don't think they'd be in short supply of men even 5 years from now.
>I'm learning Ukrainian and I'd imagine with all the mixed language teams having a combat medic who can speak both languages will be an asset.
This could work out decently, and interpreters are actually in short demand, but it's very dependent on how thorough you are. Between learning the Ukrainian language and spending 6 months to a year figuring out how to be a combat medic, you would be looking at at least 2 years before you would be finished and able to volunteer.
I expect it'll take me at least a year and a half. I was already going to go help rebuild when the war is over, so if it's over the the stuff I learn will still be useful anyway.
>I was going to help rebuild
A long, long time "friend" of mine from middle school,
Is a lifer.
Full Army since 18 (circa ~2006). Full NG
The works. Total c**t, 100 percent through and through.
His motivation?
His father is a full-on Doctor, from Iran. His father moved here in 1985 and met his mother (100% white). he hates his mother and his white religious side of his family, even though his father was vocally against the Middle East way of life (the man MOVED TO US FOR HOW WE LIVE for fricks sake).
My "friend", his sole purpose for being in the military, was "because we spend this money to put it back into the middle east". And you understand that exactly how he meant it.
Denying his father, denying his family's heritage. Hook, line and sinker straight into the hippy-leftist-garbage ideal of sorrow and giving up for some percieved distraught people.
The moral of this story:
In real life, don't waste your fricking time. These people don't deserve your help. It's quite literally the same as watching the Gauls without aqueducts living like lepers compared to the Romans who had running water.
Altruism is a cancer, anon. Put your family first, then your city block, then your city, then your county, then your state, then your country.
After, and only after ALL OF THAT, look at other countries.
That is reality.
Everything else is letting yourself die young for someone else.
> He's definitely being a bit of a dick about the way he's saying it, and probably projecting a bit as well
We had this same thread come up about 40 times in the first months of the war. I’m sick to death of explaining to morons why signing up to go do something they’ve never done before in a place they’ve never been to where practically nobody else speaks their language and where frickups and miscommunication gets people killed is a bad idea. Would you want somebody in your squad who barely grasps your language? No, because he’s a liability to himself and everybody else around him. Several other people have explained this nicely, nice obviously isn’t getting through.
>I’m learing the language
Great! I’m sure six months of duolingo is going to get you fluent!
Have you ever talked to a Mexican at a construction site? Imagine explaining something complicated to them, except every time they don’t understand you somebody dies. You’re the Mexican, and the rest of your squad is the guy who has to play a game of charades with you in the middle of a firefight. You are a danger to yourself and others.
>All the mixed language combat teams.
And you want to add to the chaos? Those mixed combat teams are a thing because they’re mostly vets of other armies, they have skills that make them worth the trouble of a language barrier. You do not.
>I was already going to help rebuild when the war is over
Literally everything I said about you having no useful combat skills applies to a rebuilding effort, except now you’re also taking a job away from a Ukrainian who’s going to need it once the war is over and unemployment skyrockets.
>How to suck Middle_Eastern wieners for 15 years .PDF
everything you need to know, you (wannabe) subversive, pretending-we-don't-know (it's all a part of the pysop) homosexual,