Do legacy tobacco companies even have the same deep pockets they once had 30+ years ago? I know there’s still a lot of smokers, but I always felt there was way less smokers today compared to the 90’s.
Since when is criticizing the pitfalls of capitalism a thing reserved only for leftists? If you lock yourself into pro-capitalist dogma, you'll become blind to reality. Capitalism natural, but we must remember that nature is not always friendly. As humans, we must wrangle nature to make it work for us.
NTA but venture capitalists are all vultures. Look at tje history of Sears and then apologize to the other Anon for dismissing what he said out of hand.
>company has dog shit QC >aquire company >stay hands off >keep management from before acquisition >same management that over looked dog shit QC >company has dog shit QC >It's not the owners fault the company has dog shit QC
Sounds like a CZ problem
op here
I should mention this happened without even running live ammo through it. i had been shooting autos for a while and hadnt touched that king cobra for about a year. rode the trigger reset while doing rapid dry fire in doubleaction...then crunch
>Rode the trigger reset
This shouldnt break your gun but you shouldnt do this on a revolver, it can cause mechanical issues down the line if you keep mashing up the action.
Never owned a Colt and only ever used anything Colt in the military. From what I gather they are twice the price of many gins that do the same thing or maybe better because of brand name.
Colt's are pretty and they've always been pretty. They've also always been inferior to S&W. Colt didn't go out of business because they were just the best thing ever.
>implying it broke because it's MIM
Nobody ever complains about Ruger and they use MIM in everything. MIM=bad is a decades old myth from the same boomers that decided all plastic guns are junk. Not that the gun should have MIM parts at that price point, but that's a separate argument.
You're right, they do. They also use MIM in most if not all of their guns. Usually it's hard to tell, but the Wrangler hammer and trigger are a particularly obvious example.
It's not that MIM is bad, it's that for whatever reason these companies can't seem to figure out that using shitty MIM is bad. Now, not that customers should have to deal with this in the first places, but it does mean the aftermarket is going to address this with better parts eventually
Allegedly it's supposed to be a smooth outer surface, but in my experience most MiM parts are still rough and you can't really polish them lest you exose their soft innards.
Reminds me of how Smith and Wesson used to say all the new methods of manufacturing were improvements over the older models. They might have been the case if they had any real QC.
Nearly the entire gun is already CNC'd so why they skip out there idk. Then again I don't know how much in house capability Colt even has these days and I was hoping the Dan Wesson branch was gonna take over Colt
Oh the other MiM problem is how you CAN'T just replace a part. Say you need a hammer, Colt and Smith's technicians have parts bins that they will go through testing many hammers until one is within the correct tolerances to function appreciably.
Normal people don't have that so DIY replacements aren't possible. You can't make dimensional changes to fit them to your other parts.
This also poses problems for making modifications for better trigger pulls. The cool stuff guys like Walt Sherman used to do with Colts, like bending the trigger sear and using roller bearings as the DA sear are long gone.
This colt makes some solid guns but also some grade A shit, they know Bubba will pay for the rollmark, and there real money comes from fat government contracts. The majority of Europeans that own firearms are wealthy thus there gun makers produce a higher quality and more expensive weapon. Not shifting on American made guns hear its just a matter of supply demand and clientele
colt is a legacy brand grifting off of their past with a cult follwing that will suck their balls. fucking overrated shit should be valued as scrap woth less than gunbuyback programs will give. deffective shit. kys colt users
Saying smith and wesson is in the same tier as colt just because of the hillary hole is plain lying or delusions
The m&p is a great handgun
Their revolvers are still fine
Their ar15s are great for the price and are proven to withstand thousands of full auto rounds without a single failure
Name a single actual bad thing about smith and wesson because colt has a long ass list of qc issues
The MiM parts mean you can't do the elaborate modifications gunsmiths used to. Internally there isn't any great distinction between Smith and Colt from a quality perspective. What is nice is that S&W have a large aftermarket for parts that simply doesn't exist for Colts.
The good is making complex shapes that are in theory smooth on the surface and require little machining.
The bad is that they can't be modified to fit better, can't be polished if they are rough, and replacing is something the factory must do.
The newet 686s I've handled were gritty at the beginning of the pull and heavy.
>The bad is that they can't be modified to fit better
....why? >can't be polished if they are rough
That's total nonsense. >replacing is something the factory must do
No it's not.
The only hard part of MiM parts are the surface. Even judicious polishing with felt and compound will break that surface and you'll be left with a part that's too soft and will wear quickly.
You are welcome to test the theory on your sear surfaces if you'd like to find out how many cycles it takes for them to wear out of spec.
Then you get to send it to Colt or Smith to have their technicians sit there trying out hammers/triggers.
ok
ferrari is rather subpar in F1
Skill issue
How many f1 races have you been in?
unironic meme, even merc makes worse decisions then ferrari nowadays, but wE aRe cHeCkInG amirite?
>even merc makes worse decisions then ferrari nowadays
only if you count keeping and coddling hamilton
the decisions aren't bad, the drivers are
For a while now, yeah, but they're still the most successful F1 team in history by quite a bit
F1 is a rather subpar racing group
Bring back Rally B Class
Rather have CART back.
Can we bring back cigarette sponsored cars while we're at it?
Yes, for everyone. Cig money makes great racing.
Do legacy tobacco companies even have the same deep pockets they once had 30+ years ago? I know there’s still a lot of smokers, but I always felt there was way less smokers today compared to the 90’s.
yes
Imagine all the crazy driving with modern gopro’s and drone shots.
>trusting nuColt
How the fuck do you figure it has even mock premium quality? It's like the Ford of guns.
or the Alfa of guns?
>Good looking, a bit pricey, driving is very comfy, unreliable and shitty qc
It's Jaguar
Ford at least makes good fleet vehicles.
their new engines are great
why are you comparing a israeliteelry manufacturer to a car manufacturer?
>Costly, reliant on a legacy of past successes, prone to expensive failures, and often a sign of poor taste?
Are we not talking about FN?
It's true what they say about lefty memes.
It isn't a lefty meme, just a bad market meme. A funnier one would literally be a two panel before/after acquisition with no dialogue.
Since when is criticizing the pitfalls of capitalism a thing reserved only for leftists? If you lock yourself into pro-capitalist dogma, you'll become blind to reality. Capitalism natural, but we must remember that nature is not always friendly. As humans, we must wrangle nature to make it work for us.
Since 1917, fucko
No, it's lefty because too many words. Like you
NTA but venture capitalists are all vultures. Look at tje history of Sears and then apologize to the other Anon for dismissing what he said out of hand.
jesus christ even Taurus doesn't cheap out like that
It's the Rover of guns.
The Lada of guns.
Don't mock the Lada. That is at least repairable.
>Pay extra for a rollmark
>don't even get that
CZ quality control absolutely sucks.
cz has nothing to do with it moron they have been 100% hands off. they havent even changed the retarded boomer management.
That means they have something to do with it retard
Sounds like CZ is pretty bad
>company has dog shit QC
>aquire company
>stay hands off
>keep management from before acquisition
>same management that over looked dog shit QC
>company has dog shit QC
>It's not the owners fault the company has dog shit QC
Sounds like a CZ problem
Ever wonder why colt goes bankrupt every couple of decades?
Cz should merge dw and colt together. Colt rollmarks/styling on dw built pistols would be an absolute hit.
lmao Indian MIM strikes again
do not redeem saars
>Marines take over a historical manufacturer of firearms for the US military
>Fuck it to death
>It never recovers
Many not so many cases yet it's still odd this happened
op here
I should mention this happened without even running live ammo through it. i had been shooting autos for a while and hadnt touched that king cobra for about a year. rode the trigger reset while doing rapid dry fire in doubleaction...then crunch
cant wait to deal with colt customer service
I thought they put these through stress tests, did nobody try to test its dry firing durability?
who the fuck knows
report back with the customer service interaction
bonus points if its an indian or a black woman
>Rode the trigger reset
This shouldnt break your gun but you shouldnt do this on a revolver, it can cause mechanical issues down the line if you keep mashing up the action.
Never owned a Colt and only ever used anything Colt in the military. From what I gather they are twice the price of many gins that do the same thing or maybe better because of brand name.
Colt's are pretty and they've always been pretty. They've also always been inferior to S&W. Colt didn't go out of business because they were just the best thing ever.
>implying it broke because it's MIM
Nobody ever complains about Ruger and they use MIM in everything. MIM=bad is a decades old myth from the same boomers that decided all plastic guns are junk. Not that the gun should have MIM parts at that price point, but that's a separate argument.
ruger uses investment casting, a completely different process.
You're right, they do. They also use MIM in most if not all of their guns. Usually it's hard to tell, but the Wrangler hammer and trigger are a particularly obvious example.
It's not that MIM is bad, it's that for whatever reason these companies can't seem to figure out that using shitty MIM is bad. Now, not that customers should have to deal with this in the first places, but it does mean the aftermarket is going to address this with better parts eventually
Allegedly it's supposed to be a smooth outer surface, but in my experience most MiM parts are still rough and you can't really polish them lest you exose their soft innards.
Reminds me of how Smith and Wesson used to say all the new methods of manufacturing were improvements over the older models. They might have been the case if they had any real QC.
Nearly the entire gun is already CNC'd so why they skip out there idk. Then again I don't know how much in house capability Colt even has these days and I was hoping the Dan Wesson branch was gonna take over Colt
Oh the other MiM problem is how you CAN'T just replace a part. Say you need a hammer, Colt and Smith's technicians have parts bins that they will go through testing many hammers until one is within the correct tolerances to function appreciably.
Normal people don't have that so DIY replacements aren't possible. You can't make dimensional changes to fit them to your other parts.
This also poses problems for making modifications for better trigger pulls. The cool stuff guys like Walt Sherman used to do with Colts, like bending the trigger sear and using roller bearings as the DA sear are long gone.
>Colt
>Ferrari
burger delusion.
Tbf ferraris are notoriously unreliable just like most supercars
This colt makes some solid guns but also some grade A shit, they know Bubba will pay for the rollmark, and there real money comes from fat government contracts. The majority of Europeans that own firearms are wealthy thus there gun makers produce a higher quality and more expensive weapon. Not shifting on American made guns hear its just a matter of supply demand and clientele
Burgerclaps can't hammer forge to save their lives.
No one cares about how implessive your country's 3 moa AKM derivative is.
colt is a legacy brand grifting off of their past with a cult follwing that will suck their balls. fucking overrated shit should be valued as scrap woth less than gunbuyback programs will give. deffective shit. kys colt users
Do some squats for the love of god.
Show bussy.
both colt and smith & wesson are shitty, maybe not as shitty as Taurus or Ruger, but that is nothing to brag about either
Are Ruger and Taurus really in the same tier?
No, not even close.
No, he's either baiting or talking out of his ass
A 6920 was the only AR I ever had come back for a factory cracked upper receiver
Saying smith and wesson is in the same tier as colt just because of the hillary hole is plain lying or delusions
The m&p is a great handgun
Their revolvers are still fine
Their ar15s are great for the price and are proven to withstand thousands of full auto rounds without a single failure
Name a single actual bad thing about smith and wesson because colt has a long ass list of qc issues
I just don’t like the way they look/feel. And they have had some issues recently, such as the massive recall on all EZ pistols.
The MiM parts mean you can't do the elaborate modifications gunsmiths used to. Internally there isn't any great distinction between Smith and Colt from a quality perspective. What is nice is that S&W have a large aftermarket for parts that simply doesn't exist for Colts.
Is MiM the leatherboard of metal?
The good is making complex shapes that are in theory smooth on the surface and require little machining.
The bad is that they can't be modified to fit better, can't be polished if they are rough, and replacing is something the factory must do.
The newet 686s I've handled were gritty at the beginning of the pull and heavy.
Sounds like it should only be used for aesthetic/non-essential parts. But hey, that's why I'm not in charge of making quality products I guess.
>The bad is that they can't be modified to fit better
....why?
>can't be polished if they are rough
That's total nonsense.
>replacing is something the factory must do
No it's not.
I think you don't know what MIM is.
The only hard part of MiM parts are the surface. Even judicious polishing with felt and compound will break that surface and you'll be left with a part that's too soft and will wear quickly.
You are welcome to test the theory on your sear surfaces if you'd like to find out how many cycles it takes for them to wear out of spec.
Then you get to send it to Colt or Smith to have their technicians sit there trying out hammers/triggers.
Did someone say "Ferrari"?
>Colt is the ferrari of guns
Said no one ever
He literally just said it.
No he typed it
Some people talk when they type. He's talking about Colt, he's clearly a boomer.
Only people with some kind of impediment. Though you're right, only boomers compare things to cars
>Colt is the ferrari of guns
I don’t think you understand car brands.
Colt is the Corvette of guns.