Chinese aircraft carrier's voyage hints at plan for 'post-U.S.' navy

>The Fujian, China's newest aircraft carrier, returned to port last week after its first voyage, an 8-day sea trial to prepare the giant ship for handover to the country's navy.
>Its debut marks a new milestone in a military modernization effort the likes of which has not been seen anywhere since World War II.
>Building and operating a ship as big and complex as the 80,000-metric ton Fujian is one of the most difficult tasks a navy can perform. It is a national enterprise that involves not just building the ship and its onboard systems but also developing a fleet of aircraft to operate from it. And aircraft carriers do not sail alone, but rather go to sea with a fleet of escort vessels and replenishment ships.
>So vast is the endeavor of deploying an aircraft carrier that only the U.S. is capable of doing it at scale. France, the U.K. and India each operate one or two much smaller carriers and they import the ships' onboard aircraft.
>Aircraft carriers are potent emblems of national power, and just by building them, China is demonstrating that it has not only the strength but also the national resolve to do difficult and expensive things. Like the showy feathers of a peawiener, an aircraft carrier is an investment in displaying national potency.
>Another interpretation is that China wants to reduce its dependence on U.S. protection of the arteries of world trade. The notion here is that those channels which the U.S. Navy keeps open, it can also close. China likely no longer wishes to be dependent on American goodwill.
>A third theory is that China is building a fleet to match that of the U.S. so that it can eventually force the U.S. Navy out of Asia. China would prefer not to fight a war with America to achieve this ambition but having enough naval power to win a major conflict might itself persuade Washington that its position is untenable.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Chinese-aircraft-carrier-s-voyage-hints-at-plan-for-post-U.S.-navy

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    not reading all that ni hao

  2. 1 month ago
    Sage

    He's at it again.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tldr

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Talks about the multiple use cases it might have, from a showdown to Kick the US out if Pacific, protecting their maritime chokepoints, bullying weaker neighbours in east asia like the USN has done around the world.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ching chong

        >and they import the ships' onboard aircraft.
        Where does France import Rafales from?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Tldr

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Implessive

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >like the USN has done around the world.
        International cooperation and global security exist because after WWII the US decided to offer trade deals instead of just flat out conquering, which was in their power to do. In fact, Chang, your economy exists at all because Uncle Sam decided it would be funny to see how many of you get fed into industrial machinery just to save a few bucks on disposable trinkets.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >and they import the ships' onboard aircraft.
    Where does France import Rafales from?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The french import the E-2 Hawkeye from the US, and also Its two steam catapults are also imported and maintained by the US.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      France wouldn't even exist without hundreds of thousands of non-french dieing for it and you have been a whiny little b***h ever since.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How is China going to afford these ships once *everyone* moves their manufacturing facilities out of China and into Vietnam, the Philippines, Mexico, etc.?

    China has made it clear that they want to bully/enslave the world, and many countries are taking steps divorce their economies from Beijing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      By moving away from low end manufacturing to high end such as shipbuilding (they now literally (50% of the ship building capacity of the entire world): https://youtu.be/tRVVXDyg3RY?si=FquDPLd1LqeJwPer

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Shipbuilding
        >High end manufacturing
        Oh chang you're always so adorable

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The shipbuilding thing is actually a problem. Most American civilian yards closed down and had their market share taken by Asian ones. Likewise, several naval shipyards were closed after the Cold War. We can fix it, but it will take time, upset some people with a lot of money, and cause a lot of bellyaching

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So anyone can build large tonnage ships in large numbers? I guess the IJN missed this memo, you should go back in time that they should have never lost the WW2 against them US because shipbuilding isn't high end not important.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Get new material

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          LNG ships have passenger jet tier safety and engineering standards, considering that they're packing a nuke worth of fuel in their hulls. Only SK and China are rated to make modern LNG ships and China is dominating the market currently

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, shipbuilding is just cheap and low end just like making plastic toys and clothing: https://maritime-executive.com/article/qatar-orders-18-world-s-largest-lng-carries-in-6b-deal-with-china-s-cssc

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, shipbuilding is facility intensive but requires comparatively little skilled labor. Shipbuilding industries in developed economies require massive subsidies because of how much labor cost can be offset by moving to a third world country. Ship fitting requires a lot of skilled work.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You realize they also fit those ships right? Literally 95% of world ship building today is Korea, China and Japan. China used to make the cheapest crap but for a while they are competing in quality too.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Implessive

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That doesn't solve their problems, though.

        Lots of countries no longer trust China at all. Thats half the reason so many companies are leaving (the other reason is because Chinese labor is no longer the cheapest in the world).Why would they continue to enrich China by buying ships from them?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          EU countries still do business with China. France and Germany literally spoke against imposing any kind of tariffs on Chinese EVs and rather prefer to cooperate Chinese EV and battery companies to improve their local industries. After Israel's debacle in Gaza with the full support of the US, all the virtue signal points that the US gained from the war in Ukraine was lost, and now most of the world just sees the US as hypocrites.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no one trusts china, the politicians who sell out their countries are bribed by the chinese or blackmailed into complying.

            no one even likes china or chinese people.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nobody trusts or likes the US in Europe either except the Ursula Von Der Leyen and the greens from Germany.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lol OK Chang keep telling yourself that China is superior and America sucks

                I'm Canadian and I fricking hate you chinks with a passion. Would happily help America stomp your chink guts into the ground.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Canada represents the entire world, got It.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao Canada has been turning into a Chinese puppet state good luck with that

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That's just the western world. The middle east is leaning more towards China due to Israel, Russia has no choice but go all in on China due to Western sanctions, central Asia also leans more towards China due to Russia weakening and their close proximity to China, not to mention their most of their trade is to China. Same for SEA, most of them are leaning towards China, partly because a lot of them are Muslim and not happy with Israel. Africa's main trade partner and investor is also China.

              >nuclear
              Lel

              You might want to check on who's currently building more nuclear reactors than Europe, India, Russia and America combined.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nuclear power is dominated by Westinghouse (American) and Framatome (French)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes, the France nuclear reactors that a decade delayed and 20 billion over budget. The American nuclear reactors that Westinghouse isn't building, because any project takes twice as long and cost twice as much as advertised

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We are aware China cuts corners in projects.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Westinghouse built a couple for China lel

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Blah blah blah

                Shits so 2010's, utterly trite, completely fatigued.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >2010's
                I heard the same things about Iraq. My parents and grandparents heard the same things about the Cold War. My great grandparents probably heard similar things about the Banana Wars and so on and so forth

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It so fricking tiresome. Even if they continue production at current levels (they won't) they will not have a fleet the size of the USN until 2040. Little people get the slightest taste of power and it goes straight to their heads.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The only way they match our fleet prowess is if they have a shitload of armed merchant men ships that have, say most of the capabilities of a missile corvette or frigate (AsHM, AA, ASW, CIWS). These ships could actually be used for economic purposes. A giant navy and coast guard is just a giant funding black hole that produces no economic output. An armed merchant man at least pays for itself/generates profit and can be mustered into a combat fleet to provide extra missiles, round out the AA net - esp if their missiles are linked to Destroyers sensors, and more importantly to eat all the AShM's coming at the fleet

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And that 2040 date is dependent on the US not increasing its own ship production in response.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The middle east is leaning more towards China due to Israel
                Well that's silly of them considering what buttbuddies the Chinese and Israelis are.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Muh global South blah blah, blahblahblah words words words. Either do something or shut up.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Kek. The Serbian cuck is now shilling for his shrimp dick yellow masters.
            Fricking pathetic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            BYD is literally building 2 massive factories in EU.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That's weird. That would just move supply chains back to Europe which is like the antithesis of what the CCP has been trying to do since the beginning, like luring Elon musk and Tesla to Shanghai. But whatever. Everyone is okay with chinese competition as long as it's fair. The problem is that it's seldom fair because all the IP is stolen, so it's unfair right off the bat since they've had 0 R&D cost. It gets worse when china leverages their slave labor (not hyperbole, literal slave labor of political prisoners and criminals) and intentionally devalued yuan.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why is it weird? They're trying to set it up so that they don't get bit in the ass by tariffs down the line. It's the same thing Japanese car companies have been doing for decades.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >France and Germany literally spoke against imposing any kind of tariffs on Chinese EVs and rather prefer to cooperate Chinese EV and battery companies to improve their local industries.
            Yes, because the Chinese very deliberately have cultivated economic ties with both nations and give them favored status for imports. They bought Europe for a few German cars.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Chinese very deliberately have cultivated economic ties with both nations

              Anon US corps are like this too the only difference is US government is incredibly butthurt about it.

              US plan to pull out of China and restart making everything in home is complete bullshit. Even if Intel finally manages to go below 10nm (LMAO) all small cheap parts are chinese. Every PCB board, heatsink, power supply, connector, cooling fan, all of this is Chinese and if they started making it in US it would take 10 years and price would triple.

              Nobody is pulling out of china and if US really starts throwing 50% tariffs at china made products US economy is getting nuked 100 years back. It's not going to happen.

              Invasion of Taiwan is also not going to happen.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The decoupling is happening and there's nothing you can do but cry

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody is pulling out of china
                Bro read the goddamn news, all first world nations are pulling out of china faster then your father tried to

                Belt and road? More like belt to the face. It failed, as always.

                Oh and as for PCB, hey shitass, every single first world nation is investing HEAVILY into FAB's for a reason. That will not last. And they know it.

                All the bluster for taiwan is fake hope to rile a nations hate away from a failing system of "Invest into mass housing market lol" that is COLLAPSING, BOTH FIGURATIVELY AND LITERALLY at this very moment, fukken tofu dregs.

                China has dug a grave, and if it falls into it you're gonna have a nice civil war on your hands with millions dead, again, because the amount of hate the average chinese man and woman for his own countrymen holds is damn near infinite.

                None of this will work. You'll see. It's going to take many years and billions to build new factories. Then you need to find work force. Then you need to train work force. Then you need to compete on the market when China, Taiwan or Korea already had all this in place and working while you were wasting money on things you didn't have. Nobody will buy American product when it's 2x more expensive. This is exactly why Japanese cars murdered American cars or why Asian electronics murdered everything else.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >companies are going to have to pull their heads out of their asses and start paying middle class wages and training their workforce
                You didn't have to make it sound so appealing

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Morals matter shit when end product is more expensive and nobody buys it. Sure you can move production of shoes or underwear out of China, good luck doing the same with electronics or cars.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Morals matter shit when end product is more expensive and nobody buys it
                I pray for the day that I don't have to sift through a dozen disposable Chinese brands with letter salad names while searching for tools and auto parts on Amazon.

              • 1 month ago
                A GUY

                >Nobody will buy American product when it's 2x more expensive.
                Is that true, though? Chinese labor is aging out. It's not the cheapest in the world by a long-shot anymore. Yeah, moving our manufacturing plants will be expensive, but in the long run it should be worth it. I can't imagine something made in America by 2035 will cost twice as much as the same thing from China. I mean, we could make stuff in Mexico, too, if things are too expensive.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's not just about labor cost. If it was all fabs in the world would be in some African shithole.

                China wins all this because with a population of 1.4 billion you have shitloads of the top 10% smartest people capable of working with high tech and also economies of scale are on your side. You don't even need to be 2x cheaper 30% is enough.

                Only real competition if India or Indonesia tier countries. But investing in them like west invested in china means in 20-30 years you have another rising superpower turning from cheap labor place into your competition.

              • 1 month ago
                A GUY

                > He doesn't know that China has been lying about their population statistics and probably only has about 1.1 billion-ish people.
                > He doesn't know that Chinese citizens have invested a majority of their savings into the Chinese housing market, while Chinese building companies have built over 2 billion extra living spaces in China, thus rendering most people's savings worthless.
                > He doesn't know that China is ruled by a ruthless dictator who has staffed the higher halls of power with incompetent "yes-men" who don't give him any accurate info on anything. Thus ensuring that Xi will continue doing a bad job of running the country, and there will be no clear successor for him after he dies.

                I mean, I think China's ability to produce anything is going to be severely hampered soon. Also, the wolf-warrior stuff combined with the IP theft has really soured people on China. I don't know if anyone will continue to do business with them, even if they are cheaper. The negatives of working with China seem worse and worse every day.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The wu-flu shit the bed for most people I think and especially the business side of things. With the rolling closures of being able to operate logistics, get workers to the businesses it turned into a complete shit fest of over-regulation. There wouldn't be many Korean, Japanese or Western companies left there now and they just simply won't be coming back as its easier to do business elsewhere in the region for cheaper.
                I think Apple and a few car companies are about all thats left and most of them are disengaging as well

                It'll be fun watching them slowly die economically

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >slowly
                This graph kills the wumao.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The reduction on 'globalisation' isn't so much that business doesn't love its cheap imported shit, but for the simple fact that if the spice doesn't flow, its not worth the risk and the smarter monke will bring their supply chains closer to home or simply find someone who can do it elsewhere. Personally I'm ok paying a bit more for locally made products if it means local businesses and jobs are kept here in my country.

                In our defense, we were prohibited by treaty from building, possessing, or developing MRBMs and IRBMs until 2019

                That and no one else seemed to be interested in honouring their treaties, so its left the US at a bit of a gap were they had a look at the arsenals being assembled by people and realised there wasn't just a hypersonic gap. But there's a whole shit load of intermediate and theatre delivery systems which they're short on because of some dumbass treaty or another.
                It took a while
                But the US MIC seems to have had a fresh blast of cash to go make all sorts of shit up and while the US might not have directly have made hypersonic weapons- the UK and Australia had been working on them in terms of functional engines for the last 20-25 years or so. No one seemed to have noticed us little guys in the outback doing all kinds of testing and that's fine, we're just playing around with sounding rockets and stuff you dont' have to worry about

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There is no "hypersonic gap". The US developed missiles decades ago that most powers couldn't dream of even today. The groundwork was always there.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                US is trying hard to take some manufacturing back but time will tell if any of this actually works. US car industry is in horrible state. Boeing is getting fricked by Airbus. Shipbuilding barely exists. Intel is losing billions and falling behind. China is having problems too but they still keep the solid 5% growth.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >believing the chinese
                lol. lmao. enjoy your tofu dreg apartments

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Now google "US collapsed building".

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, it does happen in america and other places.
                Except those buildings are not brand new, nor do the walls fall apart when punched nor is the steel bendable by hand. You live in carboard palaces, idiots

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one ever lived in those and were not meant to be lived in to begin with, they were literally a way to abuse Chinese regulations on investment. They were a sign of corruption / criminality, not proof that China literally can’t build things what’s the frick is wrong with you? Now that the laws have changed and the scam developers have been put out of business what’s the cope now?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >laws have changed, all is good now.
                >they were never meant to be lived in anyway, stop assuming we build shit that falls over all the time even though they do.
                >this is not proof in any way, shut up shut up

                Gee wiz charlie, I sure feel like coping up a nice answer but you played yourself again

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All of this is old information and you fricking KNOW it, you’re just jacking off to a meme. Literally everyone on here who was even slightly interested in the paper mache ghost cities researched them already.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                China did have a lot of accidents like this but when you have rapidly developing nation with 5x the population of USA it's normal. US was a construction accident wonderland during rapid urbanization too.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the US was in uncharted territory with far more primitive technology and construction techniques. China should have benefited from all the lessons we learned, as most of the rest of the world has, but it chose not to. China could operate in full OSHA-like compliance but instead it operates in an unregulated fashion with far too little oversight. the people who own the construction companies straight up fleece the government, who takes a cut to look the other way. it's just straight up corruption, incompetence, and ignorance

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tens of trillions in malinvestment mandated by the government over the course of 30 years since they control everyone's finances and force investment in their national stock scheme
                >private people have also put in at least another trillion in malinvestment due to having nothing else to invest in
                >it was all overvalued and is actually useless
                >not a problem
                Are you a congenital moron? Oh wait you're chink.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We don't build shoddy buildings
                >It's just that the largest sector of our economy is riddle with corruption and lies.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So, can I post an image of an American inner city ghetto every time you post a ghost city building? If we’re here to jack off to memes and propaganda you should be cool with that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1 Chinese person can build things. 1 billion Chinese people are too busy trying to scam each other to build things that aren't death traps.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you pretending you didn't just say that exact thing yourself?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A collapsed building in the USA makes national news like those Florida condos. A collapsed building in China is just another Tuesday.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Both Ukraine and Russia are enjoying the Chinese made DJI drones on the battlefield which the US not any other country has anything comparable in terms of features and price: https://youtu.be/G8gjm2HALEM?si=VnunqXDOTEWXS2cJ

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                American drones are so far ahead in tech that they may as well be science fiction compared to DJI stuff.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >chinese made
                I like how you had to add "made" because if you called them "chinese drones" someone would inevitably correct you on the fact that the design was probably made in the west 10 years ago.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This image makes me think it's some kind of miniature mock up considering how clean the building looks

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it was new iirc. it just kinda fell over. Chinks also like to use styrofoam as concrete.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Glorious Chinese People's Styrofoam is a long cultural tradition going back 3000 years when white-piggu's lived in mud huts throwing rocks at each other!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the west wouldn't understand

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My oh my! Styrofoam-reinforced concrete! Reduces weight, saves time and money, and still looks just as good!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I doubt anyone in China thinks as whites as anything but elite marriage / business link material. Asians seem to generally accept that they’re inferior to whites and they don’t take it personally.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody will buy American product when it's 2x more expensive
                chink one of your biggest boons you get from gaming the international system, free international shipping, is about to be pulled out from under your feet. that alone kills your undercutting price gauging significantly no matter how much beijing tries to stop the inevitable with stop-gap subsidies

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody is pulling out of china
                Bro read the goddamn news, all first world nations are pulling out of china faster then your father tried to

                Belt and road? More like belt to the face. It failed, as always.

                Oh and as for PCB, hey shitass, every single first world nation is investing HEAVILY into FAB's for a reason. That will not last. And they know it.

                All the bluster for taiwan is fake hope to rile a nations hate away from a failing system of "Invest into mass housing market lol" that is COLLAPSING, BOTH FIGURATIVELY AND LITERALLY at this very moment, fukken tofu dregs.

                China has dug a grave, and if it falls into it you're gonna have a nice civil war on your hands with millions dead, again, because the amount of hate the average chinese man and woman for his own countrymen holds is damn near infinite.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They have no real choice. You might as well ask why China continues to buy Airbus or Boeing, there's no alternative choice. Drones, electronics, EVs, wind/solar, batteries, nuclear, China dominates this market. You can't snap your fingers and conjure up a entire supply chain for a sector as large as shipbuilding. Also, a lot of factories are moving to Vietnam and other SEA countries, which are basically still plugged into the chinese supply chain.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >nuclear
            Lel

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They are the first country with latest Gen IV nuclear reactors in operation:
              https://www.foronuclear.org/en/updates/news/the-worlds-first-generation-iv-nuclear-power-plant-starts-its-commercial-operation-in-china/
              https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-starts-up-worlds-first-fourth-generation-nuclear-reactor-2023-12-06/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor
              And also the world's first thorium reactor for commercial use: https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Operating-permit-issued-for-Chinese-molten-salt-re

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >pebble bed
                >graphite coating
                Looks like the used a South African reactor concept and an American idea for the fuel

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Then why is China continuing to rack up record number of orders? They got 76% of new shipbuilding orders in April, a new record. If this continues, China might get 70% of the global shipbuilding market, instead of the current 50%

          >The middle east is leaning more towards China due to Israel
          Well that's silly of them considering what buttbuddies the Chinese and Israelis are.

          The question is who is israeliteing who?

          We are aware China cuts corners in projects.

          Countries that have had an core meltdown:America, Russia, Japan

          Westinghouse built a couple for China lel

          As did France, Canada and Russia. China blended up all their designs and made their own nuclear reactors.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >China blended up all their designs and made their own nuclear reactors
            Stole. That's the word you're looking for.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Don't worry, future Chinese 4th generation nuclear reactors will have no western IP in them.

              Uh huh. Now let's take a look at China's population pyramid.

              Their slave army is currently aging into uselessness and the educated class is even worse off.

              I suggest you take a look at who's installing up >50% of the world's robots and is automating production at an insane rate.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Robotics has been advancing at a snails pace even at the most advanced institutions. Automation won't save China from it's population collapse and the ensuing consequences.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Don't worry, future Chinese 4th generation nuclear reactors will have no western IP in them
                You just said they were based purely on western designs.

                Dude the phycology of this thread is wild
                >Get one not terrible carrier
                >Hurr now is the age of China
                >Hurr our reactors
                Do we go to Chinese forums and flex? No, because we neither feel the need to flex nor do we care what Chinese think. You're here seeking validation, which means you've already conceded your inferiority. Lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep.

                Learn to behave like a real country and maybe, one-day, you'll be treated like one.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                PrepHole is literally owned by a Japanese dude. How is this an American forum? If you measure it by users, Indians would be the top users anyway. Anyway, the entire point of Chinese industrial policy is to copy until they reach parity, then innovate after.

                Robotics has been advancing at a snails pace even at the most advanced institutions. Automation won't save China from it's population collapse and the ensuing consequences.

                Technology moves slowly, until it doesn't. We have had cheap commercial FPV drones for decades, why did it take until 2023 for someone to strap a grenade onto it? Robotics will be the same, it's really just software/A.I that holds them back

                [...]
                [...]
                Just checked. Looks like China's "gen IV" reactor uses US manufactured TRISO fuel, just as I suspected.

                https://www.powermag.com/china-starts-up-first-fourth-generation-nuclear-reactor/

                Not made by the US, though the technology behind the fuel is similar. But America still buys HALEU fuel from Russia so...

                >I suggest you take a look at who's installing up >50% of the world's robots and is automating production at an insane rate.
                You can't robot away a demographic crisis because labor is only half the equation. You need people to CONSUME those goods you're building and high value-added manufacturing restricts your customer base to nations that hate you because you're trying to undercut them.

                Why do you think China is trying too build trade links across Asia and build up Africa? The high end manufacturing that China is undercutting is Japan, SK, America and Europe anyway. They already don't like China, and won't no matter what trade policy China has. What do you suggest? Importing more brown people to solve a demographic crisis like what America and Europe is doing?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the technology behind the fuel is similar
                It literally is TRISO. This reactor would not work without 1990s American and South African tech
                >HALEU
                Is just a question of tooling, not tech

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It took this long to see massive proliferation of weaponized FPV drones because the only theatres it was attempted (the middle east) were saturated with EW. Automation isn't remotely comparable, it's been the point of countless billions in research and still it's at a glacial pace. The reality is that robotics is a slow growing technology, while China's population problems are imminent.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Humanoid robotics development has been skyrocketing. 2 years ago it was only Boston dynamics, now there's dozens of companies and progress has been fast.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Progress has not been fast lmao. It's been decades worth of investment and the most advanced result has been a robot that doesn't fall over at a light breeze. If you think that's going to replace the endless hordes of Chinese retirees leaving the workforce then you're on premium grade copium.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I guess we'll see in the next 10 years. Unitree's development has been insanely fast for such a new company

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >automation is only....LE CHINESE
                anon, any innovation or industrial revolution ultimately finds itself global. AI firms are overwhelmingly western.
                The Chinese did not edge out the competition by having superior industrial automation in the 1970's, Europe and the United States clearly bested them in this (and still do). They grew off cheap slave labor in the hundreds of millions, which they are running out of. Any movement towards automation now is reactionary, not proactive.

                That, and their youth are quitting the rat-race en-mass doesn't help thing either. Plus the middle/upper-middle/upper class spending decades sending their children abroad to USA/CAN/AUS/EU has both demographically injured them further, and been a source of endless brain drain. Overall, they are a bit fricked.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Any movement towards automation now is reactionary, not proactive.
                >Saars! pls understand! Do not redeem! Saars!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >AI firms are overwhelmingly western.

                In name only.

                Nvidia and AMD CEOs are Taiwanese. Both of those companies make 99% of their shit in Asia and Nvidia is getting progressively tired of US government.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >copy until they reach parity,
                Yeah about that
                >then innovate after.
                Lol

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You shills are moronic.
                Your argument style is moronic.
                Your attempts at deflection and topic changing are moronic.
                Here's something you moron Chinese wumao need to understand:
                Like 50% of the americans on this website are underage teenagers.
                You get DUNKED ON by American teenagers, and we aren't "racially homogenous"

                >PrepHole is literally owned by a Japanese dude.
                That has nothing, NOTHING to do with what was said.
                The poster

                >Don't worry, future Chinese 4th generation nuclear reactors will have no western IP in them
                You just said they were based purely on western designs.

                Dude the phycology of this thread is wild
                >Get one not terrible carrier
                >Hurr now is the age of China
                >Hurr our reactors
                Do we go to Chinese forums and flex? No, because we neither feel the need to flex nor do we care what Chinese think. You're here seeking validation, which means you've already conceded your inferiority. Lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep.

                Learn to behave like a real country and maybe, one-day, you'll be treated like one.

                said,
                >"Do we go to Chinese forums to (insult Chinese people)?"
                >"No."

                You chinese shills are mentally devoid. Fricking stupid.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We have had cheap commercial FPV drones for decades, why did it take until 2023 for someone to strap a grenade onto it?
                So are we just memoryholing the entire fricking war on terror now?
                the reason you hear so much about FPV drones these days is not because they are new or even particularly deadly, its because the Russians really fricking suck at electronic warfare

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I suggest you take a look at who's installing up >50% of the world's robots and is automating production at an insane rate.
                You can't robot away a demographic crisis because labor is only half the equation. You need people to CONSUME those goods you're building and high value-added manufacturing restricts your customer base to nations that hate you because you're trying to undercut them.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Then why is China continuing to rack up record number of orders? They got 76% of new shipbuilding orders in April, a new record. If this continues, China might get 70% of the global shipbuilding market, instead of the current 50%
              [...]
              The question is who is israeliteing who?
              [...]
              Countries that have had an core meltdown:America, Russia, Japan
              [...]
              As did France, Canada and Russia. China blended up all their designs and made their own nuclear reactors.

              Don't worry, future Chinese 4th generation nuclear reactors will have no western IP in them.
              [...]
              [...]
              I suggest you take a look at who's installing up >50% of the world's robots and is automating production at an insane rate.

              Just checked. Looks like China's "gen IV" reactor uses US manufactured TRISO fuel, just as I suspected.

              https://www.powermag.com/china-starts-up-first-fourth-generation-nuclear-reactor/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      By... continuing to manufacture for themselves.

      Do you not understand that China is operating at a massive trade surplus? That they are manufacturing all of this stuff not in exchange for anything material, but for just for paper?

      If they can do it for paper, they can do it for nothing.
      The workers building Chinese carriers aren't being paid in US goods. Meanwhile the workers building US carriers *are* being paid in Chinese goods.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're delusional

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Do you not know the difference between wealth and paper?

          Say I'm a carpenter. I craft chairs.
          I craft you some chairs. You pay me in IOUs, which I accept on the assumption that I'll be able to trade them for something of wealth in return in the future.
          I keep making chairs. You keep paying me in IOUs.
          You then stop buying chairs and say, "HA! I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU ANYTHNG FOR MY IOUs! THEY'RE WORTHLESS! AND NOW YOU WILL HAVE TO GO WITHOUT CHAIRS BECAUSE NO MORE IOUs FOR YOU!"

          If I was making chairs before, nothing keeps me from still making chairs. You weren't paying me in any material therefore it is obvious I don't need any of your material to make a chair. If I want more chairs, I can just keep making more chairs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Its the market that has power, not the workshop.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they are manufacturing all of this stuff not in exchange for anything material
        They don't produce enough food to feed themselves.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are an insane person with the intelligence of a child.
        Wo cao, as your people say.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >once
      When's that gonna be, 2120?

      Its the market that has power, not the workshop.

      It is the workshop that keeps the market alive, not the other way around.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It is the workshop that keeps the market alive, not the other way around.
        Again with the fiscal illiteracy. Market is where the capital is, and its capital that builds the workshops.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Starting four years ago and into the next five years with a new four year approach after that. Many people have sentiment to move industry around to the Americas. The US is ramping up precision manufacturing and has signaled it's intent to move major industry to Mexico. South America is making bids for the business. Suddenly Vietnam and the US are doing military exercises together. The Philippines is a mess but they have more reason than anyone to fix their shit and build their economy and military.

        People generally are waking up to the bad idea it was to transfer intellectual property and capital to a military dictatorship. For all of China's bluster every skyscraper they have and every manufacturing plant they are building was paid for and engineered by the West.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you have a market but no workshop, you build a workshop
        If you have a workshop but no market, you no longer have a workshop.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Oh, please China. Don’t try to outspend our navy. Anything but that.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand you contrarian Black folk. For the last ten years, you have claimed China will kill the USN with missile swarms and carriers would be obsolete. Then the minute the Chinese start making there own carriers, you act like they will somehow be magically immune to missile swarm attacks. Pick one side and stick with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those were literal paid shills from the wumao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It literally talks about this in the article, where carriers have become vulnerable but they're still useful for bullying weaker neighbors like the USN has done over the decades.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Their carriers are not intended to attack Chinese shores. Or US ones.

      Saying the US cannot attack China is not saying that the US could not bomb Gaza into the ground.
      Saying that China cannot attack the US is not saying that China could not bomb Gaza into the ground.

      If you feel like a final solution to a Muslim problem, carriers still work.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't hear the missile swarm one any more because they've been proven to be worthless against real people countries. Less interesting to me is China procuring a carrier, rather how well they'll perform upkeep of a fleet.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would lay odds on some catastrophic accident happening to the thing within 5 years. You might be able to put lipstick on a pig but you certainly can't teach one to dance or sing. Bing bong ching chong.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you
      >Pick one side
      the "people" you are talking about are morons and have been wrong despite spamming for ten years, that doesn't mean they were the only opinion or the prevailing opinion
      the U.S. literally nuked its own old carriers with only passive damage control measures in place and couldn't sink them, it's self-evident that a tiny maneuvering unitary warhead on a cruise missile can't do shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >China will kill the USN with missile swarms and carriers would be obsolete
      So you're telling me there's a chance?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    TL;DR

    But I can bet it's about some Chink dickwaving.

    Honestly I am sick and fricking tired of China and their shit. They are so obviously inferior, let's just go to war so we can stomp these fricking bugs once and for all. It's been WAY too long since we joined together to slaughter communists.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      See:

      By moving away from low end manufacturing to high end such as shipbuilding (they now literally (50% of the ship building capacity of the entire world): https://youtu.be/tRVVXDyg3RY?si=FquDPLd1LqeJwPer

      https://i.imgur.com/aMxpewp.png

      Yeah, shipbuilding is just cheap and low end just like making plastic toys and clothing: https://maritime-executive.com/article/qatar-orders-18-world-s-largest-lng-carries-in-6b-deal-with-china-s-cssc

      https://www.twz.com/alarming-navy-intel-slide-warns-of-chinas-200-times-greater-shipbuilding-capacity

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US doesn't build most of their ships domestically for quite some time.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China will in fact take over economically. No one has a larger pool of slave labor with a large contingent of educated class to do middle management and run infrastructure etc. Government is corrupt pro business in the Asian fashion with no serious security issues. European and American factory tools work just as well in China as they do anywhere else. If the Western world wants to achieve economic dominance again China and frankly the rest of Asia has to be shut down. I’m talking about war. China especially can’t compete with us in terms of violence and so if we actually care about being great again we should smack them down. No other excuses are needed, it doesn’t have to be fair or right. We either run this shithole planet or we don’t.

    The other option is to just give up on the rest of the world, and circle the wagons around the West. No one outside of our sphere gets to do business with us, use our financial institutions, gets our tech, industry, nothing. If China or anyone else can out-compete us on a civilization level let them try it without our assistance. We’ll have to permenantly divest our elites though. And when we decide we need more land or resources we just take it, either through barter or conquest — again let anyone else compete with us if they can. That’s all. Stop coping, stop pretending. Either get serious or give up.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Their slave army is currently aging into uselessness and the educated class is even worse off.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Japan will in fact take over economically...
      We've seen this show before, zoom-zoom.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Japan is a high-IQ, high-income middle class country. It does feature a standard Asian corrupt business-linked government which allows them to hang on to a slice of industry but it’s okay to coexist with them. Besides Japan and a few other “house Asians” the region, not just China, should be shut down and shut out. Right now the foreign policy bureaucracies are doing childish and pointless tech embargoes as if China can’t just steal it or get alternatives elsewhere. They gravitate to pointless shit simply because it’s something bureaucratic systems can succeed at, and it’ll continue this way for as long as the West is stuck in the depths of this brutal leadership crisis. I wonder if this is exactly how the Roman Empire fell — its bureaucratic systems got too large which resisted leadership for too long and it slowly collapsed under its own intrinsic failure as an organization. Sort of like a natural societal counter-force made too strong by the strength of the civilization which gave rise to it. Ie, a strong high-IQ civilization with strong leadership created an environment for which its own destruction could be cultivated safely until it couldn’t be contained any longer.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's super weird how fascists from every country, even chinks, all LARP like nazis. Honestly you people just have no creativity.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Look, I’m a Western white, the royal family of the human species. Our kingdom is crumbling and I don’t like it particularly because we’re literally defeating ourselves. I wonder if that’s just a natural outcome of Western civilization and it’s pointless complaining about it.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's a natural outcome of the dominant Western superstition which is an ancient psyop teaching weakness is virtue, that enemies have value (which implies you do not to the extent they do), and that guilt is a virtue.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Christ is the King!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Says the country whose currently supporting an actual genocide in Gaza with weapons and diplomatic cover

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              ….so? Is it wrong for Israel to pull themselves out of complete demographic destruction (if it’s already not too late)? Literally who cares about brown people? If the 30% of Israel which is still white high-IQ needs to sacrifice an enemy population of desert browns in order to stay in power there then fine. If the vastly, overwhelmingly superior numbers of Arabs want to stop that — they can go ahead and stop it. But that would require them to care about the lives of other Arabs wouldn’t it? The only thing unjust about the Palestine purge is that Israel gets to do it but no one else is allowed.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, yes we lynch Black folks. What else?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah? Does that somehow excuse you from having to come up with your own ultra right wing ideology and ethos? China really does steal everything.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's super weird how fascists from every country, even chinks, all LARP like nazis. Honestly you people just have no creativity.

          >muh fall of Rome
          Talk about overdone

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I want to point out that if China ever reached economic parity with Japan, the Chinese economy would be 3x the size of America's

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The tragedy of China is that they will get old before they get rich. Most developed countries do the opposite and thats how they are able to keep surviving despite the age issue - they have so much capital in the system that they can play economic and fiscal frick-frick games. China doesnt have this option. Chinese culture will only make it worse, they mock us for sending our elderly off to retirement homes but thats the smarter socio-economic policy. Cruel sure, but better than having to support your parents and thus be unable to have children.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The frick are you talking about? Their economy is larger than that of Japan.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Uh huh. Now let's take a look at China's population pyramid.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >constant cycles of boom and bust that we compel the rest of the world to participate in.
      >each cycle more wealth gets concentrated in to israelite american elite's business interests.
      >implying the plan isn't working.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >one average conventional carrier
    >Chest thumping as though they have 11 super-carriers and a global network of alliances

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Most of the Nimitz class carriers are at the end of their service life whilst the Ford class carriers that are supposed to replace them are riddled with problems. The future doesn't look good when you take the current state of US shipyards: https://youtu.be/tRX5tlczC0k?si=CZSNBAOpdxx70PPp

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good thing we have 11 of them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          10 Nimitz class that are about to retire, only 1 Ford class in "service" and another one "under construction," after more than a decade...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >10 Nimitz class that are about to retire
            1 Nimitz class ship is about to retire

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >under construction," after more than a decade..
            How long was your non-nuclear carrier in the OP under construction for again?

            Yeah.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >10 Nimitz class that are about to retire
            Over the next four decades

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Siri, how many USN aircraft carriers have decommissioned in the last 15 years?
            >3
            Siri, how many USN aircraft carriers been launched in the last 15 years?
            >3
            Siri, how many USN aircraft carriers have decommissioned in the last 20 years?
            >4
            Siri, how many USN aircraft carriers been launched in the last 20 years?
            >4
            Siri, how many USN aircraft carriers have been decommissioned in the last 30 years?
            >5
            Siri, how many USN aircraft carriers have been launched in the last 30 years?
            >5
            Siri, how many USN aircraft carriers are planned to be retired within the next 5 years?
            >2
            Siri, how many USN aircraft carriers are scheduled to be launched within the next 5 years?
            >2
            My god, it's almost as if someone had planned the whole thing all along!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >no reply
              you implessived hos ass

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They're simply going to do another overhaul on those nimitz's.
        They can't make Ford's fast enough

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, the new carriers have to iron out a few details here and there. But the Chinese one are going to run out of that dock in pristine battle condition and they'll be ready to take on the whole US Navy, coast guard and air force together!

        Calm down. It's a huge step for China but they still have a lot of catching up in front of them. And they're going to keep any real information about their new super weapon super secret and blast out ridiculous amounts and claims of propaganda instead.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It requires years to make a highly skilled military technician and more years to grow quality senior leadership. Training and practice exercises must be realistic.

          Any anons have (real) insight into the ChiCom navy?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    do chinks actually think this propaganda works?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, they do. Of course the national govt. and the 1st-tier cities know foreigners a lot better, but the provincial and military heads are essentially blind to how the outside world thinks.
      >Shanghai: ~100,000 expats
      >Lijiang: nobody lmao + travel restrictions
      So you find more blunt and hilarious internal propaganda in the Western regions, while the coast (generally) tones the bullshit down.

      In my experience, when I left 10 years ago, some 50-70% of people believed and internalized the Chinese angle. The rest usually went along, but in private laughed or doubted it. It was usually the middle-class (or what resembles it these days...) that bought into it. The people who could afford to visit NY and the peasants who couldn't afford another yak were the most jaded. Worst treatment my family got was from the middle managers, not the random trash guy or the developers.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder: Chinese aircraft carriers are so poorly build they have to stay in coastal waters

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Someone needs to lob a nuke at the three gorges damn, if only so I don't have to read moronic chink dick waving.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bugman's wet dream. Nothing to see here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah: https://youtu.be/soEpAprko7w

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >no ramp

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Implessive

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Kino

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Chinkspam threads are a particular kind of moronic, every time.
    If all your spam does is make people want to go to war with you even harder just to finally shut you uppity bugmen homosexuals up, it's probably not good very spam.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Basically
      >Respect us! Respect us!
      >No, we're going to kill you.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Great Wall of Text
    didn't read it ching chang

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >laughs in hypersonic carrier killer
    isn't that how this works?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except that the US doesn't have a single hypersonic missile in service

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Virtually every ballistic is hypersonic in its terminal phase, which is where it actually matters. They made hypersonic glide vehicles in the 1950s, decided they were kind of pointless, and never bothered again.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In our defense, we were prohibited by treaty from building, possessing, or developing MRBMs and IRBMs until 2019

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Like the showy feathers of a peawiener, an aircraft carrier is an investment in displaying national potency.
    lmao dead giveaway this shit was originally written by a CCP official obsessed with traditional chinese medicine erection cures

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Roggeveen sucking chink wiener? It sickens me to see a white guy shill for chinks.
    Either that or he's in the pocket of israelites which is worse.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Infinite yellow pop-idol pussy

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    alright which country military shit are we NOT allowed to shill for?

    Russia? China? South Korea? India? Canada?

    any other country that's on the blacklist?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      America

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Vely vely implessive! Zhongguo is tluly numbal wan!

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"Carriers are useless because missiles!"
    >Builds carriers anyway

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >"Carriers are useless because of hypersonic missiles!"
      >US can't build hypersonic missiles
      >Builds carriers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >>US can't build hypersonic mis-ACK!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Literally just a ballistic missile which cannot even engage moving targets lmao!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >LRHW
            >HACM
            >Mako multi-mission hypersonic missile
            >Maneuverable scramjet HAWC(coming soon)
            Damn you changs are in a lot of trouble, better not ape out over Taiwan or your "navy" will get humbled.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >*quantum graphene hypersonics

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Carriers are for power projection. China wants power projection in Africa and SEA.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >building carriers not to fight the US, but building carriers once the US is defeated

    uh, what? shouldn't that be the opposite? That's like building nuke missiles only AFTER you've defeated all the other peer-rivals.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because the competition between China and the US would be divided by economics just like the last Cold War.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ah yes the proud Chinese naval tradition.

    I’m actually curious though, I’ve been reading about how the modern English language is basically built around sailing, like all Anglo countries share phrases that originate from boats.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because the tradition of sailing sailboats and steam boats have direct correlation with modern diesel, gas turbine, nuclear powered ships. And operating large guns is the same as operating VLS cells and launching cruise missiles from them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah there’s a very meaty cultural study to be had there but the more I research the deeper it goes.
        >all hands
        >learn the ropes
        >three sheets to the wind
        It might even go as deep as a thumbs-up. Or even the concept of “depth” as a metaphor for complicated ideas

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      USN was garbage at war when WW2 started and ended the war as the most capable navy on earth.

      Manpower and industry win wars.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the US also wasn't the belligerent trying to invade the rest of the world during wwii

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And China is?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            does taiwan want to reunite with them

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Taiwan is one small island not rest of the world. Also invasion is completely unrealistic they need those fabs just as much as anyone else. Not to mention if they invade and get sanctioned just cutting Korean memory exports is going to murder their economy. Korea makes 90% of RAM and SSD controllers. Samsung and Hynix are the TSMC of memory.

              People seriously don't understand world economy if they think China is going to invade. Even a blockage is unrealistic.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that's what russia said about ukraine, and they are now threatening nuclear holocaust every other day. it's all the same with geopolitical bullies, and they rarely act logically either

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe with only important exports being grain to Africa.

                Not the largest producer of advanced semiconductors and PC hardware on Earth.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                they both have revanchist claims toward their respective neighbors

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Taiwan was a part of China since forever. They need to keep saying it still belong to them. Doesn't mean anything in reality.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >we're just massing our military for no reason

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fun fact: the PRC has never controlled Taiwan

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Queue at the US embassy in the northern capital. ACK

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what's happening here? tourism?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        china is collapsing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what's the point of so many people applying for visas when the US caps each country's applicants at 7%?
      Not to mention when the house/senate is trying to reduce immigration visas.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oh I'm sure they apply for Canada, Australia, UK to a lesser extent, and Thailand and Malaysia as well

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Oh I'm sure they apply for Canada, Australia, UK to a lesser extent, and Thailand and Malaysia as well
          They absolutely do. Check their gossip forums and run them through Google translate. They want to move to the USA, Australia, Canada, UK, Japan, EU, or friendly SEA countries. They are always looking to get a dual citizenship. I met a Chinese guy recently who got his UK citizenship and he talked about it with this kind of palpable relief, like somebody who spent his life in debt landing a big inheritance.
          I've lived in Japan longer than I care to admit. It used to be that Chinese you meet living here were visiting scholars or people employed by major companies on contracts; any rate, they were almost always single. Now, I'm starting to see a lot of people moving their whole families here. They're a mixed bag. It's a toss up whether they're CCP kool-aid drinkers or dissidents.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            On the whole I've really got no issue with outright dissidents or otherwise normal folk trying to get at least one foot out the door. I sure as frick wouldn't want to be counting on always being in the CCP's good graces, I can sympathise.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They want to leave their autocratic dystopia however they can. People are voting with their feet and the Chinese have and will consistently choose to abandon the CCP.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >new carrier drops
    >several shill threads pop up to cope
    Hope they drop the next one soon.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I ain't reading all of that
    I'm happy for you or sorry it happened, chink

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Once China achieves naval parity with the US is there gonna be any danger to the west coast or is China just going Asian Co(pe) Prosperity Sphere like Japan did?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >is there gonna be any danger to the west coast or is China just going Asian Co(pe) Prosperity Sphere like Japan did?
      They don't want to do anything to America. They just want to reenact Imperial Japan like you said.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Chinks are not going to invade USA that's completely moronic. They are aiming for domination over SEA and most of Africa. They want those poorer countries with bought politicians to take over cheap production while mainland switches to more advanced products.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Americans are already afraid, now is the time to make their military afraid.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Too late, should've invaded Taiwan when you bugs had the chance, now America has hypersonics and LRASMs that will sink you wish.com "navy" kek.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    carriers are potent emblems of national power, and just by building them, China is demonstrating that it has not only the strength but also the national resolve to do difficult and expensive things. Like the showy feathers of a peawiener, an aircraft carrier is an investment in displaying national potency.
    Cool, and their neighbours were only -minimal faster.
    (Hosho, built in 1922).
    Implessive.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Did the Hosho have EMALS catapults?

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    Anonymous

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    Anonymous

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  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a communist country: they just order it made and the apparatus of the state complies.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Frankly I’m over worrying about Western dominance. Western / white society is just too dominant so even if one slave labor colony gets uppity we can just move industry to another one. Being a peasant shithole is a consequence of a low-IQ population, and there’s no chance high-IQ people are in any danger of being out-competed by low-IQ civilizations (ie, Asia, South America, Africa etc). The thing with this free trade open world built and enforced by Western civilization is that it cuts both ways — yes, peasant fiefdoms with an a abundance of slave labor to reap massive profits off the backs of coolies using corruption to gloss over all the normal Western niceties makes them much more productive vs the West. However. The high-IQ people of the world are able to flow into the West in order to enjoy lives commensurate with their intellectual value, so the intellectual / civilizational power of the West stays insurmountable. High-IQ always wins vs low-IQ at a macro / national level. It takes an absurd mis-match in resources and industry for that to be overcome by a lower-IQs, like what happened with Germany vs USSR. Could such a massive material mismatch happen US / EU vs China? Maybe, but we’re nowhere near that level and thanks to China’s belligerence the West is already moving away to the next slave labor colonies. So now it’s up to China to actually compete with us on a civilizational level — they got our tech, our systems, or finances and all the power of modern civilization built up by the West with which to move onto being a peer with us. Can they do it? The US with withdrawing from hegemony, the stage is open, go for it. Show the world who’s boss. Do it.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Chink Navy is only good for bullying and intimidating weak ASEAN nations like the Philippines.

    They don't even parade the Liaoning around East Asian waters.

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no ramp
    Huh.

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Chinese missiles work then yes they can saturate USN fleet defenses. I have no idea what their missile inventory is like, how many cells are loaded and on deployment and what can be deployed rapidly so it basically boils down to factors which are hidden from public view. If each one of those 052Ds, 055s etc is fully loaded and if those actually work as expected then no currently deployed USN surface group will survive. I would expect that in the case of preparing for a hot war the USN would put together surface groups much more robust then peace-time setups. An invasion of Taiwan simply can’t happen without the buildup being noticed by the US, but if the US fails to prepare for whatever reason and the USN is forced to respond on-the-spot it won’t be able to deal with it. Furthermore, neither navy has the ability to reload VLS cells outside of port with specialized equipment (USN is working on it but has yet to succeed) — that means the PLAN will have access to ports right there whereas USN has to sail back much further distances (ie Japan). USN ships are MUCH more resilient to damage so in the long run it should come out ahead in terms of hulls being combat ready — but in the long run Taiwan has already fallen. A lot of PLAN sailors will die but that doesn’t matter literally at all to the CCP and these cheaply-built ships can be quickly pumped out to replace losses so strategic power can be quickly regenerated in order to secure the acquisition. Maybe the PLAN stuff doesn’t work nearly as well as expected and they found out the hard way when it was go-time in which case they lose. But if they work reasonably well to expectation then they probably win unless the US forecasts the invasion and builds up massively in preparations — which SHOULD be possible but that also boils down to political will and leadership.

    Finally, none of this may matter at all. Xi could just call nuke and the US stays out. Then it’ll turn into a different kind of contest.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >A lot of PLAN sailors will die but that doesn’t matter literally at all to the CCP and these cheaply-built ships can be quickly pumped out to replace losses so strategic power can be quickly regenerated in order to secure the acquisition.
      No. You cannot trade a military craft with a crew of trained sailors for an antiship missle. It doesnt matter how fast you can pump them out. The US spent decades figuring out how to deal with zerg rushes. Its straight suicide now. See Ukraine.

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >waits til aircraft carriers are almost obsolete
    >changes entire country's industries to build ships
    >starts building a bunch of aircraft carriers
    truly fearsome enemy

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    zogsisters… with america declining into a brown third world shithole… does that mean China will win ww3?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just because the U.S. and the West in general is declining into brown shitholes doesn’t mean China will grow into a superpower, just as nothing grew to replace the Roman Empire. What there will be is a general collapse / sagging of civilization for a long while. Who knows maybe we’re living in the last era of modern human civilization and the "natural" state of the human genome is going no further than agrarian peasant fiefdoms. High-IQ white western populations were an evolutionary aberration which took a few thousand years to regress back to norms. Anyway who cares we’ll all be dead long before we’ll see the end-times of advanced civilization.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PrepHole refugees and their consequences have been a disaster for other boards

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China's population decline is so severe that within less than 30 years it will dwarf even troony suicide statistics.

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine, at a similar manpower differential, without an Airforce, is winning an ultra-brutal war of attrition against Russia using western equipment.

    >China has slightly better equipment, a lot less combat experience, similar manpower differential if going up against Japan, U.S., Philippines, has to face off against the best air force in the world, and has to worry about a large proximity power potentially taking advantage of the situation if their military is too degraded.

    I'd check back in after a few decades.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's nothing more than a prototype for the Type 004 carrier. China needs to complete those before I take them seriously.

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is theory three not one. China is absolutely gearing up for a potential face-off and mission kill of Seventh Fleet in a future Taiwan invasion.

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >France, the U.K. and India each operate one or two much smaller carriers and they import the ships' onboard aircraft

    I can feel the seethe from France as I set here reading this.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The french do import the E-2 Hawkeye from the US which is the most important aircraft from a carrier airwing. Their carrier also uses US made steam catapults, and for their next carrier they are also importing the US EMALS. So the Chinese are the only ones who are "building everything" on their own because the US would never sell It to China.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The french do import the E-2 Hawkeye from the US which is the most important aircraft from a carrier airwing. Their carrier also uses US made steam catapults, and for their next carrier they are also importing the US EMALS. So the Chinese are the only ones who are "building everything" on their own because the US would never sell It to China.

      France doesn't import the Rafale M from abroad. At all.
      The UK does import the F-35B though. And India both the Mig-29 and the Rafale M.
      Who's seething the most here?
      If General Atomics had not accepted to sell Emals for the PANG there were plans to build some in France thanks to the Institut Saint-Louis working on electromagnetic propulsion for quite a time, most especially since in 2003 the USA stopped delivering parts for the C13 steam catapults of the CdG due to the veto France tried to apply at the UN regarding the war in Iraq, which made everybody freak out.
      In the end France will buy the whole package including E-MALS and AAG because GA are trustworthy enough.
      The same goes from the E-2C, which by the way was partly designed with the help of a few French companies, notably Latécoère which worked on the rear empennage to help stabilize the aircraft during bad weather carrier landings.
      >So the Chinese are the only ones who are "building everything" on their own because the US would never sell It to China.
      The chinese most probably stole IP from General Atomics to do so. And from Lockheed Martin for the jets supposed to operate onborad said carrier. Basically they stole from everyone to get where they are.
      I am not impressed.

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fujian
    >Propulsion Steam turbines, 8 boilers, 4 shafts, 235,600hp (175.7MW)[5][6]
    imagine thinking this can compete with the US nuclear navy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand why nobody brings this up, it's a conventionally powered carrier so it's practically worthless.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not to belittle de nukes, but all nuclear carriers are driven by steam turbines. A reactor is simply a heat source. All power extracted from it is done by converting that heat into steam and using it to spin a turbine.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          fuel. Look up how much carrying capacity is sacrificed for pushing around diesel powered carriers

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You have to admit, he is one persistent zipperhead

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