Challenger or Abrams?

Tan/k/ experts, what tank was it? A Challenger? An Abrams? Some old-gen Leopard? Some other Euro tank?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Abrams is the gold standard, but Leopard is a better compromise for countries that don't have the US military budget to work with. Challenger suffers from the misery of having to fit into the UK defense budget, but as a machine itself, it's a very effective seal clubber, if not quite as suited for the hypothetical russian/chink-lies-all-come-true WW3 scenario as the Abrams.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Abrams is extremely mediocre, Leopard is the gold standard. Challenger is better armoured than the abrams, but theres not many of them and they're not as mobile. The newest leopards are just outright better for everything except urban warfare/COIN.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Abrams is extremely mediocre, Leopard is the gold standard
        LOL the Leopard is a fricking shitpile, ask any miserable Leopard 2 loader if they wanna fricking crew that thing again

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moronic. They are functionally almost identical in nearly every aspect, except the Abrams has a gas turbine engine (tradeoff), a better crew layout than the Leopard 2, and has 100% of its ammo stowage protected by blowout panels.
        Certain variants of the Leopard 2 have better thermals and optics, but those are not inherent to the basic design of the tank and future upgrades to the Abrams are intended to include 3rd gen thermals.
        >Challenger is better armored than the Abrams
        Maybe back then, but not anymore they aren't. The M1A2 SEPv3 with DU inserts and ARAT II is going to be better protected than the Challenger 2 with equivalent applique armor. While the Challenger 3 may have received some serious upgrades, those won't even be in service for several years and definitely haven't been on any battlefields.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >be leopard 2
          >turret has less space than a tiger I turret (pic rel)
          >15 round ready rack because half the turret is taken up by hydraulics
          >loader's position is so cramped that he has to press his back against the wall
          >only 35mm of RHA protecting the ready rack from the side, penetrable by .50 SLAP
          >blast panels used to have better welds than the side armor, which is why turkish leopard 2s exploded so violently
          >have to rotate turret 90+ degrees to the right to replenish ready rack
          >crews get easily fatigued because there's no good positions to rest
          >leopard 2A7+ still uses the same FCS as the leopard 1A3
          >up to leopard 2A7V still has a fricking 640x512 thermal sensor, unusable past 1.5km
          >no armored doors to protect optics
          >nearly 1 meter taller than the abrams because of excessive ground clearance
          >front roadwheels have no buffers, torsion bars snap under high stress
          >needlessly long because it doesn't use a transverse engine
          I'll end it with this

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not an issue for germany. It's a job programme and corporate handout and they will never use them in combat, other people will, not their problem

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah as much as I rag on the Leopard 2, it's a net positive for Europe's economy, and that alone makes it a better option than any other tank.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >turret has less space than a tiger I turret (pic rel)
            >120mm vs 88mm ammo
            >shit crew positions
            Holy shit, being a L2 loader must be pure suffering.
            >nearly 1 meter taller than the abrams because of excessive ground clearance
            To play Devil's advocate, they're pretty much the same length/width and Western MBTs have always been big. The M60 was even taller than both of them

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I used to be of the opinion that height didn't really matter, but seeing vehicles in Ukraine that are taller than village houses is just... yikes. It's another reason why cope cages are dumb, and I bet it's part of why Russia has taken such horrendous losses.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >nearly 1 meter taller than the abrams because of excessive ground clearance
            I'm sorry are we listing ground clearance as a negative.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Imagine not having variable suspension
              This post was made by the hydropneumatic suspension gang

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >suffers from the misery of having to fit into the UK defense budget
      >4th
      Unless youre the USA chances are its much bigger than yours.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hello chat gpt

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Another "commie moron posts single pic because he in his discord they don't convert mp4 to webm to make an ebin trol in PrepHole" thread
    it's an M1, look at the asymmetry of the turret, now get the frick out my board

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, is it new? I figured it was ANOTHER ANGLE.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It wouldn't be the first time they release multiple videos of a target, but ironically enough I've only seen them spam two abrams gibs, so I don't know if this is a repeat like the ATGM hit on the chally

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Another "commie moron posts single pic because he in his discord they don't convert mp4 to webm to make an ebin trol in PrepHole" thread
      Fuc/k/ that 4mb limitation my inbred friend, it's a fricking laugh. Shrinking that shit to 4mb, removing sound - imagine being that cucked!
      >it's an M1, look at the asymmetry of the turret
      Thank you!
      >now get the frick out my board
      Hahah imagine being that self-righteous. You, sir, are the finest Reddit material.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he can't just pot a catbox
        yawn
        you Black folk get lazier by the hour

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They don't pay them to be effective, just annoying

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >4mb webm are cucked because low quality and no sound
        >so anon instead posts a singular frame of the same quality as well missing sound
        Yeah?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He said it, he said the buzzword!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >by the time 4(2)chan went down in flames the entire site supported 16mb full sound webm/mp4
        >this was over half a decade ago
        Never4get

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's gonna leave soon, you can stop crying now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Impressive, I couldn't even spot any asymmetry or where the turret ends, OP's pic is as low quality as his post.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've noticed these kinds of threads are exclusively started by ESL turdies. You saw loads of this kind of thing during the Hamas attacks.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like another Abrams

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's an abrahamovich

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You could've at least changed how you type, doubleBlack person

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that not heresy?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Incredibly heretical. It's why the ROCOR exists. Modern Russian Orthodoxy is almost its own sect at this point, and is disregarded by most people.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I gotta applaud him, he's using proper punctuation, grammar, if it wasn't for the moronic way of talking and pure smell of shit I would've thought this was an actual thread by someone who wanted info

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How come we have tons of video of the Bradley annihilating Soviet gear, but none of the Abrams fricking things up?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it is called ab'Harams not for nothing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Combat footage is not indicative of combat performance OR contributions to combat. Holy shit the ball gurgling over curated Ukranian PsyOp's is fricking intolerable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I never implied it did. I just want to see footage of an Abrams fricking shit up

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because there are a few hundred bradleys but a couple dozen abramses

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Range difference + role difference

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Speaking of Bradley just yesterday the 47th lost four

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also, even with shells useless

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So far it looks like PT91 is the most useful western tank

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So the first place goes to the Turtle tank, the second one to the PT91, the struggle for teh third place is ongoing

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So roughly 30% of Ukrain-American Abrahams fleet is no more with the k/d ratio of exactly zero. How did the supposed apex predator become the sought after prey?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What happened to all those comments about the breakthrough? I thought Ukrainian lines were collapsing? Did they somehow stabilize the front? Is that why pajeets went all silent about it and are now falling back to whatever this shit is?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What happened to all those comments about the breakthrough
      Nothing? Hohols army is on the run basically and nato are ready to pull out. So fricking funny

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In two weeks time?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and nato are ready to pull out
        You have been saying this among other things since day 1 of the 3 day special needs millitary operation.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Impossible. NATO tanks can’t be destroyed by Soviet tech from the last century. Just impossible. The Ukraine is winning and has been winning for at least 3 years. Slava Ukraini!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >SolovievLive

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And Luhansk is burning ATM enjoy shiting up the board with this shit for next few weeks and be sure to edit so it looks like 20 abrams. On that note please show me combat footage of the mighty T-14 armata

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a T-80BVM

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Cope cage with jammer box on the roof
    This is a Russian tank

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >challenger
    >in combat
    Are you moronic? They don’t use the challengers anywhere near the front

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No moron. They use them for defending Ukrainian lines at the front
      The difference is Leopards and Abrams are used for offensive operations at the front because they have DM1, M830A1, and M1028 where Challenger's HESH isn't suitable for open trenches.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No moron. They use them for defending Ukrainian lines at the front
        This is what challenger bros have to tell themselves.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It never gets used at the front
          >One geolocated to the front destroyed
          >6 months later
          >They never get used at the front
          ????

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >14+ hours and still no video

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because from other angles it's obvious it's a T-80 with a cope cage

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    New Bradley /k/ino dropped. Lighting up a treeline full of infantry at close range.
    https://x.com/ukrainenewslive/status/1788119097923809390?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQ

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that tree line AGAIN

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >1/3 of the abrams fleet already gone without causing a single casualty to Russia
    Imagine saying this a year ago

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia finally learns that taking on western armour and anti-tank weapons is suicide
      >they learn this after losing 120% of their pre-war tank fleet
      > Are now heavily reliant on their outdated Cold War era tanks, with rudimentary additioms added to give tank crews a false sense of something being done to ensure their safety.
      >Not at all cope.
      Truly an enemy to be feared.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're winning so yeah YOU SHOULD fear them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the gloves are off, the buttcheecks clenched, the redline is crossed, the dick is sucked, day 800+ of the 2 day special operation is a success

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Winning
          >Stuck in a war of attrition
          >Economically ostracised
          >Brain drain of all their talent
          >Becoming a satellite state of China
          >Still heavily reliant on their natural resources, like any other shit hole third world nation in Africa.
          Amazing

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Abrams has a horrendous Thermal signature compared to the Leo/Challenger.

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