Military spending gets us shiny new gear and cool videos from slavlands.
Public healthcare gets us what exactly? I don't use it. Haven't been to a doctor in almost a decade.
>Attaching a station fired ATGM to a turret is hard
The better question is would it even be worth it when you have access to OP as shit tandem warhead TOW II's
>send a meaningless number of tanks after getting shown up by IFV deliveries from every major country >brag about it
Black person send a battalion wtf are you doing?
Standard UK political fare. Every Prime Minister is always the 'WORST PM EVER!!!! . . . except for the one that came before him of course'.
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I really don't think that is the case nor do I remember people claiming at the time that Thatcher was the worst PM ever, or that Major was, or even that Blair was. Cameron was doing well until he boxed himself in with an unexpected election result, May failed but for the right reasons which is complicated and Johnson solved the problems by simply lying. Should Sunak go I think its unlikely people will think he was worse than Johnson.
So I don't think there is any truth in this at all.
If you asked me that under normal political circumstances I'd laugh in your face and need a minute to be calm enough to talk intelligibly. We are definitely not in normal, or even vaguely sane, political circumstances at the moment though. Sunak seems to be working hard to get some kind of 'domestic disturbance' going with his new anti-strike legislation (which is the sort of thing that should lead to politicians being hanged from the lamp posts) so who knows? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was back in number 10 before too long.
Of course that would lead to the Tories getting absolutely fricking slaughtered in the next election - even worse than they're going to be already. At the moment they're looking at at least a generation in 'the wilderness' before they have a credible chance of forming a government again; if BoJo came back then it could realistically lead to the actual death of the party.
I just want to go back to when things made sense.
1 year ago
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In reality it's the reverse, Johnson's removal was not popular among the people who actually vote, especially up north
1 year ago
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Johnson wasn't removed, his position became untenable because there was nobody left to tell lies on his behalf. This wasn't the press, it wasn't the civil service or the deep state, it was Tory MPs refusing to serve in his cabinet because he was routinely humiliating everyone that worked for him.
His popularity in the red wall is much overstated, nobody wants him back.
1 year ago
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>His popularity in the red wall is much overstated, nobody wants him back.
I'm not so sure. Johnson beat Starmer in a by-election, this is unheard for a party that's been in power for nine years. Regardless, Johnson would lose less seats than Truss or Sunak, bottom line is that the Tory MPs lost their nerve (especially in October last year) and will regret it.
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>Johnson beat Starmer in a by-election,
Hartlepool? That was a year before he well and truly fricked everything up with multiple rolling scandals. That said, people have short memories. I think people are pissed off at the state of the country, and his casual approach to everything will just piss people off more. Sometimes the joke stops being funny.
Would it not be better to send tanks they have experience of using, know how to fix and have a system in place already for recovery and repair of ones that are broken down? As awesome as it would be to see Challengers slaying vatnik T-80s they would only work with British crews.
>get new recruit who's never been on tanks before >teach him about tanks on the tank he will be using
>get experienced tanker who's used to soviet junk >convert him to a late 90's tank with NV, thermal, FCS, comfort, lethality and protection like he's never had access to before. >goes back to fight more effectively than ever before.
There is no situation where having a massively more capable tank isn't a benefit.
when you find the british t-64 stocks let me know, thanks
i imagine that these are the challengers we lent to poland last year to replace the t-72s they sent to ukraine until they got more abrams or whatever
did those t-72s ever actually make it though? i keep hearing how these challenger iis are the first mbts to be sent to ukraine.
There have been actual Uke special forces, army etc training with British troops on UK soil for months. Do we not have actual challengers in the country that we could have been training them on?
This accurate?
Suggests there isn't a whole lot that can get through the turret, maybe large diameter HEAT through the mantlet (Kornets push 1000mm plus after ERA for eg).
I also wonder If this is actual Armor protection or if it is including the steel bulk of the gun mounting/breech.
AFAIK the steel beasts protection includes anything that will prevent penetration into the fighting compartment, not just armour.
Honestly I hope there is proper research done on the Armored warfare in Ukraine.
Since we saw Russian tanks loaded with 1980s darts, and others with many gun launched ATGM I have been particularly curious about how the actual Armored warfare plays out with the Ukrainian tanks and also with ATGMs.
How well the respective Armor performs, ERA ect.
I never get the whole fanfic of tank armor thickness, even if you have a good idea that X area is 1000mm thick you haven't a clue what kind of material(s) is used and what kind of concept so knowing the thickness is kind of moot?
They do have a clue what materials are used and there are models that estimate it.
Composite Armor is not magic, they all work in roughly the same way.
Dorchester is NERA, there isn't much more to it.
nta but isn't chobham armor still classified? does anyone have a real clue on how well protected challenger 2s are because the general consensus seems to be that its got the best armor out of all western mbts but has a shitty rifled gun instead of smoothbore
I never get the whole fanfic of tank armor thickness, even if you have a good idea that X area is 1000mm thick you haven't a clue what kind of material(s) is used and what kind of concept so knowing the thickness is kind of moot?
They are basically guesstimations the efficiency of the array and slap and RHAe value.
The Steel beasts ones are massively wrong (way too high) like pic related should be 350-430mm vs KE, 700-750mm to declassified RARDE documents for Chieftain Replacement
Red is insufficient protection, green is sufficient.
Left side is Vs a 700mm pen KE penetrator, right is Vs a 1200mm pen HEAT warhead.
The chart shows the percentage of turret protected (y axis) vs the RHA equivalent penetration of the anti-tank weapon (x axis)
I have to hand it to the Brits. They really have taken the initiative to send Ukraine the hardware it's been asking for. I understand it's a complicated situation for the Germans and the French, but there's no denying that they've fallen short of their obligations by comparison. The Germans are still dragging their feet to get Ukraine some fricking tanks; denying even Poland from sending Leopard 2's. It's like they expect the Americans to be the first to send tanks all the way from North America so they don't have to deal with the potential political fallout. All the while more soldiers and civilians die.
And then there's the British: training troops, suppling a shit tone of manpads, now we're seeing reports of helicopters and tanks. They're not even in the EU anymore. If we want to end this with a victory then lets just send what is needed.
Yeah Brits can be very based. I've been an Anglophile for a while now and I was clearly not mistaken in my liking of them. Germans on the other hand are cucked and pathetic.
>why do you just keep on lying? Just for the (you)s?
I read it in The Economist. It was published on the 11th so I assumed nothing has changed in 3 days. If I'm wrong then let me know, I'd love to be wrong on this.
The article says "refused the allow". Just read one sentence ahead. You're being pedantic. And do you know that no one has requested their use? Any insider knowledge you want to share with us?
[...]
the article says Germany's permission must be obtained, which is true. You said Germany denied the permission, which is a lie.
>Germany (...) has thus far refused to allow anyone to send them to Ukraine
actual fake news. No country has made an official request to send them yet.
Yeah Brits can be very based. I've been an Anglophile for a while now and I was clearly not mistaken in my liking of them. Germans on the other hand are cucked and pathetic.
>very based.
You mean subservient to Americans. Though I guess that is based from your perspective right?
It's easier for Britain; not only are we further away from Russia then Germany is but we've got got a Natural 'moat' that the Russians can't just walk across. To get to Germany, Russia has to push through Poland; to get to Britain, Russia has to either push through Poland>Germany>BeNeLux or Finland>Sweden>Norway, and even after those there's still the Chanel to cross. So Britain is understandably freer to make material donations.
2022 isn't 1940s, the threats are about nuclear missiles/Surgical strikes (if possible with Russian arsenal kek) not land invasions. UK stands strong in the face of those threats, the others except the US and a few others don't, needing a leader or an icebreaker so to say.
We're in denial because we never got the chance for a proper world war against the russians and that sounds like a lot of fun, but nukes falling would spoil it
>To get to Germany, Russia has to push through Poland
Russia has just demonstrated it has total logistical failure less than 100km from its own border and you think they're going to "push through" Poland?
The weird thing is the German population mostly disagrees with Scholz on this, so he's just fricking himself for no benefit.
It's easier for Britain; not only are we further away from Russia then Germany is but we've got got a Natural 'moat' that the Russians can't just walk across. To get to Germany, Russia has to push through Poland; to get to Britain, Russia has to either push through Poland>Germany>BeNeLux or Finland>Sweden>Norway, and even after those there's still the Chanel to cross. So Britain is understandably freer to make material donations.
Russia can't push more than 100 miles from their border, how are they getting to Berlin?
> no benefit
You are aware that Putin has 100+ mil USD in swiss banks through middlemen, I guess Scholzie will get some from that
Also he will only be politically fricked this way. It would be way worse for him if his FSB keeper would leak out his CP
>born just in time to watch HD drone footage of tank divisions pushing Soviet shit in
I hate to fall into the "wow cool robot" half of the meme, but frick me, what a time to be alive.
Not only the Chally 2, but several other tanks, including a Chinese tank, IIRC.
War Thunder leaks order >Eurocopter leak >Chally leak (turret protection) >Leclerc leak >Chinese ammo leak mk1 >Chinese ammo leak mk2
Feel free to add more or detail, these are off the top of my head.
>https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/classified-challenger-tank-specs-leaked-online-for-videogame/
Earliest Challenger 2 leak, dated 16/07/21 >https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/classified-tank-specs-leaked-on-war-thunder-game-forums-again/
Earliest Leclerc leak, dated 6/10/21
Close but Challenger was definetly before Leclerc
Yeah.
To prove to the Warthunder developers on the games forum that the Challenger2 gun mantle in reality was x3 better protected than the game portrayed.
The idea is probably to nudge momentum incrementally. 14 being many isn't enough to start an international incident, but it might get another 3 or 4 countries to send 8-12 of their own.
It's ramping things up gradually, whereas 'UK sends 80 challengers' might make Lavrov actually deviate from his usual "that stick of ginger has gone too far up my bum, and now I can't reach it and I regret ever trying"
Even 80 Challengers isn't a lot, I don't think it changes anything Russia does beside making denouncements. It just means Britain's army is stripped bare, but it's our own fault for cutting it to a skeleton force.
The Bongs are in dire financial straights, getting Seppo bucks for training the Ukies and getting the old MID up and running make financial and strategic sense
We really aren't, the FTSE is at a record high. The great thing about a services and finance based economy is that we charge people more in line with inflation but our costs haven't risen as much as in manufacturing based economies because we don't use as much energy.
>companies making more money than ever >no job cuts with high employment >high consumer confidence >incel on 4 chan thinks this means the economy isn't doing well
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Can't last, consumer spending is surviving on debt and savings, which were historically high after COVID.
Eventually people won't be able to pay massively elevated prices and then you will see the typical recession.
1 year ago
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>Can't last, consumer spending is surviving on debt and savings,
Not even close.
1 year ago
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>750,000 households at risk of mortgage default >2022 Q3 economy 0.8% smaller than 2019 Q4 economy >11% inflation >majority of economist predicting UK is heading for a worse recession than most other advanced economies
FTSE will be on it's arse in a year, it means nothing. Most of it is linked to high dollar denominated commodity prices, it is not a good indicator of the health of the UK economy. Stupid fricking noob.
1 year ago
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>Doomposting UK economy
Still 6th in world 2nd in Europe screech harder no one heard you before.
1 year ago
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>21st by GDP per capita
ooof. but at least you've imported a lot of pakis to make up for it
1 year ago
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That hasn't changed either, cope harder.
1 year ago
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504,000 immigrants last year
1 year ago
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And only a few ten thousand new permanent arrivals. The 500k number includes students and foreigners on work visas.
1 year ago
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Yeah they're definitely going back home after
1 year ago
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Students do, if you can afford the overseas fees you aren't going want to hang around this shithole afterwards. We should be glad to get people who can rock up here, spend 60k of foreign cash and leave again. The reality is that there are small numbers of outright fraudulent applications, this isn't to do with universities, its do with the government's liberalisation and insufficient regulation. The "universities" those people apply to are just PO box numbers or a flat over a kebab shop.
It would be a very Tory thing though to crack down on this, end up defunding Cambridge and the scammers just move on to something else.
The reason the Tories like, sometimes, the idea of cutting student visas is that its easier to remove legal immigrants than the illegal immigrants they let in on a nod and a wink. Its also storing up problems because a lot of ethnic minorities thought Brexit meant their village from India or Pakistan would be able to move here once racist EU immigration laws ended. Sunak in particular is expected to deliver.
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The bigger issue is that in measurements of averages, our numbers are skewed by the massive wealth inequality where our extravagantly rich are so much richer than most it actually pulls the average up noticeably. We are definitely poorer than such measurements imply, and we're far from the richest nations even then.
>It's our showtime
Yup, Time to show the world how challenger 2 looks after getting hit by a gayot or rpg-28. Finally myth that western tanks are better than russian one will be demolished.
>British Challenger 2 tank was hit directly by 14 RPGs and an anti-tank missile in Iraq. The crew was uninjured and the tank was back in operation 6 hours later. Another survived 70 RPG hits. Only 1 Challenger 2 has been destroyed in combat; by another Challenger 2 in a friendly fire incident. >Be T90, die from a grenade attached to a toy
Yeah
That rpg is used by goat herder for frick sake. This time the rpg's will be used by russian. The same country that create them. Also do you think there won't be any CAS lol.
Aahh yes the RPG will hit so much sweeter because the trigger will be pulled by some drunken rapist who happens to have the same nationality of the designer of the RPG
1 year ago
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You don't understand. When a Russian uses an rpg they gain the power of the ussr. It's like a fusion dance, they can double the amount of drunken rapist power.
1 year ago
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The rpg is literally designed to be used by russian armed forces. They will know the way to utilize it at maximum efficiency to ensure better accuracy to hit challenger weak spot. I am also forgot to mention that even lowly t-72 will be able to pen challenger armor so... 10 of them won't have any impact other than to humiliate the bong and nato at the same time.
1 year ago
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Your an idiot, consider life changes.
1 year ago
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Excellent shitposting sir.
1 year ago
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They have different RPG systems who can easily penetrate you Black personanger shit; is not the same RPG-7; dumb mutt.
>70 RPG hits
This sounds a little bit implausible for a few reasons >Armour that resists one semi-penetration nevertheless becomes damaged and weakened, that tank would look like swiss cheese and likely be as squidgy after 20 hits, let alone 70 >To be hit 70 times implies there's something operationally wrong with the tank, either it was stuck (not unlikely with its 75 ton weight), the crew couldn't see shit or the tank is big and slow and couldn't get out of the kill zone quickly or at all >The Taliban aren't the most well equipped force in the world, did this tank drive up to their armoury or something? It seems doubtful an ambush would have been carrying 70+ rockets and however many launchers needed to fire that many
Ultimately I'm going consider this propaganda, didn't happen and is targeted at people who wouldn't know much about this stuff.
>Wasn't the Chally2 manual leaked a few years ago?
Yup, by an incredibly autistic British officer who was upset by his tank-fus representation in either WoT or Warthunder (I forget which). IIRC a Chinese officer did the same thing with whatever Knockofferov MBT China's using.
Bong Bus was a good name kek
Bong Bros
Spank Bong
Bong dot Com
how long until they're actually deployed tho? i mean i get it it's more of a move to push the fricking kraut but still
Finally the vast amounts of military spending that should have been spent on our public healthcare will be worth-ACK
your concern has been noted. we will stop sending MBTs and anything else to ukraine.
-rishi sunak
>noooo you must disband your military and spend all the money on healthcare!
>/k
What's the difference between disbanding and handing it over to some drunken Slavic pimps for free?
The amount of dead Russians
Military spending gets us shiny new gear and cool videos from slavlands.
Public healthcare gets us what exactly? I don't use it. Haven't been to a doctor in almost a decade.
>chally covered with slav ERA
>chally with balkenkreuz
Not going to lie going to look KINO ukies are innovative in that shit I whould not be surprised if they find a way to attach stugna to a bradley
the question is if they will be allowed to do that, bc I guess anglos will handle the upkeep and maintenance
>Attaching a station fired ATGM to a turret is hard
The better question is would it even be worth it when you have access to OP as shit tandem warhead TOW II's
>send a meaningless number of tanks after getting shown up by IFV deliveries from every major country
>brag about it
Black person send a battalion wtf are you doing?
UK prioritys are navy > air force > army
they simply dont have the stock to send any army gear
....Didn't they recently announce to something like half their tank fleet?
Yup, after BoJo stood up in parliament and went on the record saying "We will never again see pitched tank battles in Europe!".
Yep, he got all the big calls right
Standard UK political fare. Every Prime Minister is always the 'WORST PM EVER!!!! . . . except for the one that came before him of course'.
I really don't think that is the case nor do I remember people claiming at the time that Thatcher was the worst PM ever, or that Major was, or even that Blair was. Cameron was doing well until he boxed himself in with an unexpected election result, May failed but for the right reasons which is complicated and Johnson solved the problems by simply lying. Should Sunak go I think its unlikely people will think he was worse than Johnson.
So I don't think there is any truth in this at all.
Bongbros, do ya think he will be back in downing st before the election like many are predicting?
If you asked me that under normal political circumstances I'd laugh in your face and need a minute to be calm enough to talk intelligibly. We are definitely not in normal, or even vaguely sane, political circumstances at the moment though. Sunak seems to be working hard to get some kind of 'domestic disturbance' going with his new anti-strike legislation (which is the sort of thing that should lead to politicians being hanged from the lamp posts) so who knows? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was back in number 10 before too long.
Of course that would lead to the Tories getting absolutely fricking slaughtered in the next election - even worse than they're going to be already. At the moment they're looking at at least a generation in 'the wilderness' before they have a credible chance of forming a government again; if BoJo came back then it could realistically lead to the actual death of the party.
I just want to go back to when things made sense.
In reality it's the reverse, Johnson's removal was not popular among the people who actually vote, especially up north
Johnson wasn't removed, his position became untenable because there was nobody left to tell lies on his behalf. This wasn't the press, it wasn't the civil service or the deep state, it was Tory MPs refusing to serve in his cabinet because he was routinely humiliating everyone that worked for him.
His popularity in the red wall is much overstated, nobody wants him back.
>His popularity in the red wall is much overstated, nobody wants him back.
I'm not so sure. Johnson beat Starmer in a by-election, this is unheard for a party that's been in power for nine years. Regardless, Johnson would lose less seats than Truss or Sunak, bottom line is that the Tory MPs lost their nerve (especially in October last year) and will regret it.
>Johnson beat Starmer in a by-election,
Hartlepool? That was a year before he well and truly fricked everything up with multiple rolling scandals. That said, people have short memories. I think people are pissed off at the state of the country, and his casual approach to everything will just piss people off more. Sometimes the joke stops being funny.
Chally sisters….it’s OUR time
finally we get to see how a chally stacks up against the modern anti-tank system
maybe, anyway
Would it not be better to send tanks they have experience of using, know how to fix and have a system in place already for recovery and repair of ones that are broken down? As awesome as it would be to see Challengers slaying vatnik T-80s they would only work with British crews.
>get new recruit who's never been on tanks before
>teach him about tanks on the tank he will be using
>get experienced tanker who's used to soviet junk
>convert him to a late 90's tank with NV, thermal, FCS, comfort, lethality and protection like he's never had access to before.
>goes back to fight more effectively than ever before.
There is no situation where having a massively more capable tank isn't a benefit.
when you find the british t-64 stocks let me know, thanks
i imagine that these are the challengers we lent to poland last year to replace the t-72s they sent to ukraine until they got more abrams or whatever
did those t-72s ever actually make it though? i keep hearing how these challenger iis are the first mbts to be sent to ukraine.
>i keep hearing how these challenger iis are the first mbts to be sent to ukraine.
First WESTERN mbt anon
There have been actual Uke special forces, army etc training with British troops on UK soil for months. Do we not have actual challengers in the country that we could have been training them on?
This accurate?
Suggests there isn't a whole lot that can get through the turret, maybe large diameter HEAT through the mantlet (Kornets push 1000mm plus after ERA for eg).
I also wonder If this is actual Armor protection or if it is including the steel bulk of the gun mounting/breech.
AFAIK the steel beasts protection includes anything that will prevent penetration into the fighting compartment, not just armour.
Honestly I hope there is proper research done on the Armored warfare in Ukraine.
Since we saw Russian tanks loaded with 1980s darts, and others with many gun launched ATGM I have been particularly curious about how the actual Armored warfare plays out with the Ukrainian tanks and also with ATGMs.
How well the respective Armor performs, ERA ect.
I never get the whole fanfic of tank armor thickness, even if you have a good idea that X area is 1000mm thick you haven't a clue what kind of material(s) is used and what kind of concept so knowing the thickness is kind of moot?
They do have a clue what materials are used and there are models that estimate it.
Composite Armor is not magic, they all work in roughly the same way.
Dorchester is NERA, there isn't much more to it.
So you haven't a clue as to what materials are used right?
nta but isn't chobham armor still classified? does anyone have a real clue on how well protected challenger 2s are because the general consensus seems to be that its got the best armor out of all western mbts but has a shitty rifled gun instead of smoothbore
Nah bro its made out of fricking paper
Steel Beasts armors aren't accurate at all
They are basically guesstimations the efficiency of the array and slap and RHAe value.
The Steel beasts ones are massively wrong (way too high) like pic related should be 350-430mm vs KE, 700-750mm to declassified RARDE documents for Chieftain Replacement
Yeah here are the Swedish reports.
The leopard here is obviously A5 or later with the additional 'arrowhead' array on the turret.
explain what this is showing? moronic non-swedish speaker here.
Red is insufficient protection, green is sufficient.
Left side is Vs a 700mm pen KE penetrator, right is Vs a 1200mm pen HEAT warhead.
The chart shows the percentage of turret protected (y axis) vs the RHA equivalent penetration of the anti-tank weapon (x axis)
Why doesn't UK send the Warrior?
At least the name sounds cool
lads, I'm sorry to admit but, I think I have a little respect for the Brits now. I know it's shameful but these are unusual times.
comfy
There is no shame from accepting a headpat from an Englishman.
Come home eire
Give pats.
I'm absolutely amazed Challengers are being sent to frick up some russkies. Still feels like a dream
I have to hand it to the Brits. They really have taken the initiative to send Ukraine the hardware it's been asking for. I understand it's a complicated situation for the Germans and the French, but there's no denying that they've fallen short of their obligations by comparison. The Germans are still dragging their feet to get Ukraine some fricking tanks; denying even Poland from sending Leopard 2's. It's like they expect the Americans to be the first to send tanks all the way from North America so they don't have to deal with the potential political fallout. All the while more soldiers and civilians die.
And then there's the British: training troops, suppling a shit tone of manpads, now we're seeing reports of helicopters and tanks. They're not even in the EU anymore. If we want to end this with a victory then lets just send what is needed.
Now you know why Puccia and their dickriders on the internet seethe so much over them
Yeah Brits can be very based. I've been an Anglophile for a while now and I was clearly not mistaken in my liking of them. Germans on the other hand are cucked and pathetic.
>denying even Poland from sending Leopard 2's
why do you just keep on lying? Just for the (you)s?
>why do you just keep on lying? Just for the (you)s?
I read it in The Economist. It was published on the 11th so I assumed nothing has changed in 3 days. If I'm wrong then let me know, I'd love to be wrong on this.
Don't mind Dennis, he's the local German autismo
the article says Germany's permission must be obtained, which is true. You said Germany denied the permission, which is a lie.
The article says "refused the allow". Just read one sentence ahead. You're being pedantic. And do you know that no one has requested their use? Any insider knowledge you want to share with us?
>Germany (...) has thus far refused to allow anyone to send them to Ukraine
actual fake news. No country has made an official request to send them yet.
>christmas tree stuck to the front
The pioneers of camouflage, lads.
And then there's the British
>very based.
You mean subservient to Americans. Though I guess that is based from your perspective right?
>Send MBTs before anyone to pressure German-cucks
>It's just subservience
Ivan here got cucked by JOHN BVLL
Don't worry, once the swine Russians are done with were kicking the yanks out of Europe aswell
It's easier for Britain; not only are we further away from Russia then Germany is but we've got got a Natural 'moat' that the Russians can't just walk across. To get to Germany, Russia has to push through Poland; to get to Britain, Russia has to either push through Poland>Germany>BeNeLux or Finland>Sweden>Norway, and even after those there's still the Chanel to cross. So Britain is understandably freer to make material donations.
2022 isn't 1940s, the threats are about nuclear missiles/Surgical strikes (if possible with Russian arsenal kek) not land invasions. UK stands strong in the face of those threats, the others except the US and a few others don't, needing a leader or an icebreaker so to say.
It's thermonuclear war if Russia moves on any NATO (or soon to be) member. Do you bongs and krauts not understand that?
We're in denial because we never got the chance for a proper world war against the russians and that sounds like a lot of fun, but nukes falling would spoil it
>To get to Germany, Russia has to push through Poland
Russia has just demonstrated it has total logistical failure less than 100km from its own border and you think they're going to "push through" Poland?
The weird thing is the German population mostly disagrees with Scholz on this, so he's just fricking himself for no benefit.
Russia can't push more than 100 miles from their border, how are they getting to Berlin?
> no benefit
You are aware that Putin has 100+ mil USD in swiss banks through middlemen, I guess Scholzie will get some from that
Also he will only be politically fricked this way. It would be way worse for him if his FSB keeper would leak out his CP
>born just in time to watch HD drone footage of tank divisions pushing Soviet shit in
I hate to fall into the "wow cool robot" half of the meme, but frick me, what a time to be alive.
>You WILL get to see some kino footage of a chally 2 turret popping a T-62 in glorious 4k 60 fps
GodDAMN is it a good time to be alive
*In 6 months time
Honestly so happy
Challenger 2 was the tank some moronic bong leaked technical data on Warthunder forums, right?
Yep. Literally on the Wikipedia page.
Not only the Chally 2, but several other tanks, including a Chinese tank, IIRC.
I thought that was China?
Both. Wasn't there a third incident also? Don't remember what it was.
War Thunder leaks order
>Eurocopter leak
>Chally leak (turret protection)
>Leclerc leak
>Chinese ammo leak mk1
>Chinese ammo leak mk2
Feel free to add more or detail, these are off the top of my head.
Eurocopter? Tiger or some other?
Yh, Eurocopter Tiger. Its a leak that happened a long time ago now, so mostly forgotten about.
What did they leak about it? Isn't it partially stealth?
Leclerc came before Challenger, I am sure of it
>https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/classified-challenger-tank-specs-leaked-online-for-videogame/
Earliest Challenger 2 leak, dated 16/07/21
>https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/classified-tank-specs-leaked-on-war-thunder-game-forums-again/
Earliest Leclerc leak, dated 6/10/21
Close but Challenger was definetly before Leclerc
How long before it happens again?
>2021
what, no way, surely it happened in 2019...
yeah way. TBF, I thought it was 2020 so theres that
Yeah.
To prove to the Warthunder developers on the games forum that the Challenger2 gun mantle in reality was x3 better protected than the game portrayed.
And now they CAN'T make it 3x better protected otherwise they will be legally liable, so that guy played himself.
Nobody is laughing at L31 HESH now c**ts!
What's the tactical advantage of Apache Ah-64 helicopters?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-sends-apache-helicopters-armed-28955516.amp
They have drip and thus will cause a lot of seething among the enemy
>up to 4
>senior defence source told the sunday people
>article is in the mirror and other crap tabloids
i'll believe it when i see it
Apache better come with Harry
25 vatnik kills
Something something penis cream
>Challenger 2 mantlet is only ~300mm steel and a bit of air.
Uhh Challenger bros... Not like this.
That's inert armour
Remove yourself, Sturgeon troon.
So what is the huge chunk of metal behind the mantle?
I don't think 14 tanks will make much difference tbqh looking at the numbers of everything else.
The idea is probably to nudge momentum incrementally. 14 being many isn't enough to start an international incident, but it might get another 3 or 4 countries to send 8-12 of their own.
It's ramping things up gradually, whereas 'UK sends 80 challengers' might make Lavrov actually deviate from his usual "that stick of ginger has gone too far up my bum, and now I can't reach it and I regret ever trying"
Even 80 Challengers isn't a lot, I don't think it changes anything Russia does beside making denouncements. It just means Britain's army is stripped bare, but it's our own fault for cutting it to a skeleton force.
I don't think you understand the whole picture.
I probably don't, care to provide a qrd?
The Bongs are in dire financial straights, getting Seppo bucks for training the Ukies and getting the old MID up and running make financial and strategic sense
We really aren't, the FTSE is at a record high. The great thing about a services and finance based economy is that we charge people more in line with inflation but our costs haven't risen as much as in manufacturing based economies because we don't use as much energy.
>the FTSE is at a record high.
kek
KEK
All while paying some of the most chunky dividends in the world.
This doesn't mean the economy is doing well you fricking brainlet.
>companies making more money than ever
>no job cuts with high employment
>high consumer confidence
>incel on 4 chan thinks this means the economy isn't doing well
Can't last, consumer spending is surviving on debt and savings, which were historically high after COVID.
Eventually people won't be able to pay massively elevated prices and then you will see the typical recession.
>Can't last, consumer spending is surviving on debt and savings,
Not even close.
>750,000 households at risk of mortgage default
>2022 Q3 economy 0.8% smaller than 2019 Q4 economy
>11% inflation
>majority of economist predicting UK is heading for a worse recession than most other advanced economies
FTSE will be on it's arse in a year, it means nothing. Most of it is linked to high dollar denominated commodity prices, it is not a good indicator of the health of the UK economy. Stupid fricking noob.
>Doomposting UK economy
Still 6th in world 2nd in Europe screech harder no one heard you before.
>21st by GDP per capita
ooof. but at least you've imported a lot of pakis to make up for it
That hasn't changed either, cope harder.
504,000 immigrants last year
And only a few ten thousand new permanent arrivals. The 500k number includes students and foreigners on work visas.
Yeah they're definitely going back home after
Students do, if you can afford the overseas fees you aren't going want to hang around this shithole afterwards. We should be glad to get people who can rock up here, spend 60k of foreign cash and leave again. The reality is that there are small numbers of outright fraudulent applications, this isn't to do with universities, its do with the government's liberalisation and insufficient regulation. The "universities" those people apply to are just PO box numbers or a flat over a kebab shop.
It would be a very Tory thing though to crack down on this, end up defunding Cambridge and the scammers just move on to something else.
The reason the Tories like, sometimes, the idea of cutting student visas is that its easier to remove legal immigrants than the illegal immigrants they let in on a nod and a wink. Its also storing up problems because a lot of ethnic minorities thought Brexit meant their village from India or Pakistan would be able to move here once racist EU immigration laws ended. Sunak in particular is expected to deliver.
The bigger issue is that in measurements of averages, our numbers are skewed by the massive wealth inequality where our extravagantly rich are so much richer than most it actually pulls the average up noticeably. We are definitely poorer than such measurements imply, and we're far from the richest nations even then.
You should see how high the Caracas exchange is.
>It's our showtime
Yup, Time to show the world how challenger 2 looks after getting hit by a gayot or rpg-28. Finally myth that western tanks are better than russian one will be demolished.
>Finally myth that western tanks are better than russian one will be demolished.
>Finally myth that western tanks are better than russian one will be demolished.
Does it ever get tiring being wrong?
Soon, I will be proven right!! Keep coping.
>British Challenger 2 tank was hit directly by 14 RPGs and an anti-tank missile in Iraq. The crew was uninjured and the tank was back in operation 6 hours later. Another survived 70 RPG hits. Only 1 Challenger 2 has been destroyed in combat; by another Challenger 2 in a friendly fire incident.
>Be T90, die from a grenade attached to a toy
Yeah
That rpg is used by goat herder for frick sake. This time the rpg's will be used by russian. The same country that create them. Also do you think there won't be any CAS lol.
Aahh yes the RPG will hit so much sweeter because the trigger will be pulled by some drunken rapist who happens to have the same nationality of the designer of the RPG
You don't understand. When a Russian uses an rpg they gain the power of the ussr. It's like a fusion dance, they can double the amount of drunken rapist power.
The rpg is literally designed to be used by russian armed forces. They will know the way to utilize it at maximum efficiency to ensure better accuracy to hit challenger weak spot. I am also forgot to mention that even lowly t-72 will be able to pen challenger armor so... 10 of them won't have any impact other than to humiliate the bong and nato at the same time.
Your an idiot, consider life changes.
Excellent shitposting sir.
They have different RPG systems who can easily penetrate you Black personanger shit; is not the same RPG-7; dumb mutt.
>This time the rpg's will be used by russian.
Anon...that's not an improvement.
>70 RPG hits
This sounds a little bit implausible for a few reasons
>Armour that resists one semi-penetration nevertheless becomes damaged and weakened, that tank would look like swiss cheese and likely be as squidgy after 20 hits, let alone 70
>To be hit 70 times implies there's something operationally wrong with the tank, either it was stuck (not unlikely with its 75 ton weight), the crew couldn't see shit or the tank is big and slow and couldn't get out of the kill zone quickly or at all
>The Taliban aren't the most well equipped force in the world, did this tank drive up to their armoury or something? It seems doubtful an ambush would have been carrying 70+ rockets and however many launchers needed to fire that many
Ultimately I'm going consider this propaganda, didn't happen and is targeted at people who wouldn't know much about this stuff.
Empires back on the menu boys.
Wasn't the Chally2 manual leaked a few years ago?
Milgay or tankgay ukies could already memorize it, shortening the training 😀
>Wasn't the Chally2 manual leaked a few years ago?
Yup, by an incredibly autistic British officer who was upset by his tank-fus representation in either WoT or Warthunder (I forget which). IIRC a Chinese officer did the same thing with whatever Knockofferov MBT China's using.