Challenger 2 CONFIRMED

The gates have been opened by the UK once again. Ukraine will get a squadron of western tanks with armour, optics and FCS that are better than anything Russia has in the field.

Your move Germany/USA.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they send AS-90?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You gonna start samefagging on your thread right off the bat are we, warriortard?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm OP and that isn't me, i'm also not warriortard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just conveniently at the same time he wakes up (7am eat) and the same thread that has been repeatedly posted is posted again, so forgive me if I'm skeptical, but alright.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because we've sent them hundreds of other artillery pieces including 105mm light guns, M019 SPG's and GMLRS systems.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why send equipment everybody else has sent? What Ukraine needs is diversity. 5 different howitzers, 5 different MLRS, 10 different SPH, 10 different MBT etc.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          isn't that utterly retarded in every way?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Diversity is Strength.
            Do you think the Nazis could have conquered Europe by focusing on a single tank model?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh, you're baiting!

              Mildly chuckleworthy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's called a joke.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think he thinks he is funny.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's already there, moron-rigged onto K9 suspensions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because those haven't been commissioned for KT use.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wish the brits and yanks would get on with the pissing match and bring out the big guns

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Still trying to play the non-escalation bluffing match I guess.
      >Ukraine has kicked Russia's ass so far with just the old gear they've been given, what's just a little bit more going to chance?
      Course at this point one has to wonder if Putin is suicidal enough to use nukes at all without an invasion into Russia. Can he do fuck all about Crimea if they start pushing? Or will all his troops cut and run across what remains of that bridge?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Still trying to play the non-escalation bluffing match I guess
        I don't get this, the big players (USA, Germany, France) shouldn't give a fuck about escalation, give them fighters, MBTs, IFVs and dare Russia to declare war over it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would they? It makes no sense because it is impractical. The phased equipment and training plan is working out just fine without showing their hand and also counteracting russian propaganda. Why would they announce stuff that is half a year out when they can just keep Russia guessing?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not saying start training Ukrainian crews, I'm saying send western crews just like the USSR did in Korea and Vietnam.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And why would we send people which would make the entire endeavor way more unpopular? We would also have to send the recent stuff and not the leftovers from storage, driving up prices.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because we could control all airspace over Ukraine within a week and delete all Russian arty within Ukraine with CBU-105s.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And why would we want to do that? The war is so cheap, it’s ridiculous. You know what putting half of NATOs planes in Europe into the air costs per flighthour?
                Conventional war is absurdly expensive and people die. There is no reason to do any of that.
                Also, that would be a scenario were the Russians would seriously consider nuking something. It’s simply not worth it to gamble.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Challenger 2 not big enough for you?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who the fuck gives a shit about two tanks
    Ukraine needs thousands

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this. it's a political grift.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the military industrial complex is grifting
        babby's first conflict

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't funny the first time you made this thread.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's just a token effort so Ukraine can get Leopard 2. Olaf doesn't want to be seen as the one opening the floodgates.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is Challenger 2 a good tank?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, it is slower than others of its generation but its breddy well armoured. Sadly also has its own line of ammo, so less interchangeabillity.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not very, compared with it's western contemporaries. That said, it will be the best tank in Ukraine should it ever get there.
      Unfortunately it won't provide much useful experience for other NATO tanks if and when they arrive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's serviceable and would probably be the best tank in theatre until other NATO tanks arrive. The bongs are in the early stages of replacing it though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      On its own, yes. Integrated in a multi model force, not so much. Especially not with the amount of hulls being sent. It’s mostly a gesture but that’s politics. No. 10 wants high visibility from time to time.
      Britain doesn’t have much in terms of large equipment it can spare or draw from storage, that has not already been sent. They do a lot of the not so flashy stuff, like basic infantry training for Ukrainians on a pretty large scale. Given their specialization within NATO that makes total sense and deserves a lot of credit. It isn’t good for the show aspect, though. Big guns make better pictures than recruits being turned into something useful.

      It's just a token effort so Ukraine can get Leopard 2. Olaf doesn't want to be seen as the one opening the floodgates.

      Olaf can’t, mostly for raison d’Etat. Ending the guilt trip has too many political implications for Germany.

      Serious question, hasn't Ukraine captured tons of Russian tanks already (including fairly modern ones). I guess modern Western tanks are better, but shouldn't the tanks they have be more than enough when used properly (i.e. not by Russians).

      There are a lot of problems operating T-series tanks for Ukraine. First, Ukraine is losing equipment too. Not just to the enemy, but also to regular wear. They do not have means to produce new hulls or even most of the spares needed to keep the fleet running. Most production is in Russia and everybody who wants to do arms deals with Russia ever again will not send them parts. Supply is very limited and eventually they will have to retire most of the fleet even if they don’t lose it to combat action.
      Moving to western tanks opens new sources for training, hulls, ammo and spares. Also, late CW or newer models of western tanks should be more than a match for Russian ones.

      eagerly awaiting the ramstein meeting next week

      Yes, it will see the formal announcement of a new phase in supporting the ukrainian war effort. It will not just be tanks if you ask me.

      Interesting thanks anon, I wasn't ware of how modular the armour and other add-ons were, I eagerly await the Vatnik tears and nook threats.

      Welcome to western tanks.

      They're already being given scimitar and have crews that have been trained on it which is used for screening and reconnaissance in armoured formations so yeah.

      They have also just received an armored brigade minus tanks.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For those unaware a squadron is 12 tanks in 4 troops of 3. Presumably they will be provided with all the supporting vehicles and equipment too. A single squadron probably isn't enough to warrant giving them a CRARRV.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Leaving Russians alive to breed again
      Why are you pro-Russian?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're already being given scimitar and have crews that have been trained on it which is used for screening and reconnaissance in armoured formations so yeah.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TROJAN TO UKRAINE WHEN

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thick English tanks with hot HESH action want to blow your ammo racks

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We could be having some cold war kino going on in eastern europe right now if we didn't scrap our Chieftains.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chieftains are shit though, even the standard-tier RPG would have no trouble penetrating them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But it looks so cool

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A squadron of Kuwait chieftains help up two Iraqi Republican Guard divisions for a whole day, only withdrawing because they were running out of ammo and fuel.
        Most people on PrepHole are woefully misinformed about the relative strengths of cold war weapons.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          30 T-72 destroyed for 0 Chieftain losses. Tank being used as it was designed - fighting hull down from a defensive position. Unlike The Iranians who drove their into a swamp and got encircled lol.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is the point of those puny deliveries? A few dozen armoured vehicles won't change the war's outcome. Why not send the ATACMS that Ukraine is begging for or planes from American graveyards?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because now the pressure is on other countries to follow suit. 12 is also the starting position, more can follow. I just hope we take their best tank crews, fly them to the UK and train them here on the tank so they are fully prepared to fight a western tank not the 40 ton junk they are used to.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were probably already trained on them back in the summer when bongs were training them in the UK. This move has probably been in the works for some time now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The UK only has 227 in total.
      The main point is that the German chancellor insists that Ukraine can only get Leopard 2 if they also get another modern western MBT.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The UK has juts under 400, of which 227 are in active service in the ORBAT with another 75 or so in serviceable storage with the remainder cannibalised. Only 150 or so are getting updated to Challenger 3 (probably from the cannibalised stock) so there are around 100 tanks that we could give them.

        The Challenger 2 isn’t very good. Hopefully this opens the door to more leopard 2s

        Leopard 2, isn't that tank that lost 10 hulls in an hour to insurgents and has never killed another tank?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Leopard lost ten hulls to roach retardation and never faced another tank in combat. Also like half of those losses were turks bombing their own tanks to prevent capture

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The challenger 2 also never faced tanks in combat

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine being this poorly informed.

            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Basra_(2003)

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >14 tanks
              >T-55s
              Wow. Just as good as Israeli french armored cars with 90mm low pressure guns.
              Just stick with the turk fuckups. It's a better look.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We'd killed 300 tanks with Challenger 1 a bit over a decade before, there's wasn't much left.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm ill-informed and when proven wrong I cope and squirm like the rat I am
                Your family doesn't love you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not the dumbass who claimed the Challenger 2 never shot tanks, I'm just saying that popping T-55s and similar homogenous armored soviet trash is not really an achievment for a tank made after 1979.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >B-but that's not me rreeeeee
                Cope how you must

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >someone claims CR2 hasn't killed tanks
                >evidence is posted that disproves the claim
                >yeah but it doesn't count

                Fuck off.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Bradley has killed hundreds of tanks and t72s at that. Why do those kills never seem to count as relevant but 14 t-55s do

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Challenger 2 is faster than Bradley lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >B-b-but what about the Bradley
                A combined whataboutism AND deflection. You're trying to start an argument by throwing an irrelevant comparison in where nobody before had said anything about it. Presumably you're hoping someone will take the bait and you can escape in the resulting dustup. What a worm you are.

                Challenger 2 is faster than Bradley lol

                Either a samefag or a spastic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Challenger 2 top speed 37 mph
                >Bradley top speed 35 mph

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bradley tank kills- 100s
                Challenger 2- a dozen

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Challenger 1 and 2 have more tank kills than Bradley, around 350.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Laughable claim. Now back it up

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Granby
                >British Challenger 1 tanks destroyed approximately 300 Iraqi tanks, including achieving the longest-range tank-kill in the war from three miles away

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine getting vaporized by a tank that's 3 miles away.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >b-but whatabout Bradley!
                Whatabout it? No one said anything about it you just brought it up lol
                Warriortard confirmed

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's close to the number of Leopard 2 in the German army. If they finally decide to send those tanks, it will be of a similar scale.
        Meanwhile, USA has about 3 thousand Abrams tanks in storage. Why not send these?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine doesn’t need abrams if they get leopard and challenger. The US is still actively selling modernized abrams so they are probably more focused on those deliveries. They owe Poland about 230 sepv3s

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        386 delivered
        227 in service
        75 in storage (these rotate with the ones in service, e.g. During winter the tanks in BATUS are stored, when a unit goes there to train, those tanks are reactivated and the units tanks are placed into storage)
        remaining ~80 tanks would need a fair bit of work to reactivate
        2 tanks are destroyed (Iraq FF and Castlemartin training incidents)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      UK is stepping over a line other nations refused to cross, now the door is open for more widely produced tanks like abrams and leopard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you need to train the Ukie pilots on these planes

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Challenger 2 isn’t very good. Hopefully this opens the door to more leopard 2s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's better than anything Russia fields and that's all that matters.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its ropey older brother did very well in the Gulf War against the same tanks that Russian is fielding right now.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can the challenger fire APFSDS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yup, depleted uranium CHARM 3 rounds will go through everything the Russians have first time. Challenger 2 will be able to take 1-2 125mm rounds fired by the Russian tanks. But even the dated systems in Challenger 2 are decades ahead of what the Russians have, so Challenger will see first and shoot first. Like most warfare though, terrain and training will matter just as much as equipment.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Challenger 2 will be able to take 1-2 125mm rounds fired by the Russian tanks
        I love how WoT has somehow turned normies into thinking that tanks have health-bars

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pictured L28 is the tungsten version of CHARM 3, usually for export
        DU one is L27

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >DU one
          I think L26 is also DU

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, L26 was the DU fin round used with the L11A5 gun on Challenger 1 and Chieftain. The first fin round was L23, made of tungsten.
            L27 and L28 are Challenger 2's fin rounds for the L30 gun

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >L26A1 APFSDS : It was developed under the CHARM 1 (CHallenger ARMament 1) programme and can be fired from both the L11 gun in and the L30 gun. It has a depleted uranium long rod penetrator surrounded by an aluminium alloy sabot.
              :^)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >usually for export
          Oman only use the L23A1 with the (nowadays) L18A1 charge
          I dunno if MOD procured L28A1

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I should add for Greece what was offered was L23A1 with the L14A2 charges, though this predates L28A1 and was one of the reasons for it's creations, since L23A1 is mediocre for an 80s APFSDS nevermind the 2000s

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Supremely based.
    Challenger 2 and Abrams are the only western tanks to be used in combat and both faired extremely well.
    I look forward to seeing the Chally obliterate the Russian T boxes while tanking atgms.
    Once again the UK has broke through the taboo barriers of sending aid to Ukraine, hopefully this will secure the Leo 2a4 hoard to come flooding through.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Challenger 2 hasn’t seen much combat. You’re thinking of the challenger 1

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Challenger 2 saw heavy use in 2003.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That is not impressive

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's far more impressive than Leopard never killing a tank and losing 10 tanks in an hour.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Hasn't seen much combat
        >Deployed to Iraq for 10 years
        >Multiple instances were it tanked ATGM, RPGs wasted Tanks and IFVs
        >Not much combat
        Your thinking about the Leopard 2, not the Challenger 2

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The challenger 2 also never faced tanks in combat

        Why do you post low effort incorrect posts? Are you mentally ill or just a butt hurt disingenuous thirdie?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Leopard 2 was used in Afghanistan and in Syria.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Afganistan
        In MINUTE numbers, one got a Danish crewman killed
        >Syria
        I wouldnt have mentioned that lol

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let's hope the package includes the DU rounds so we can give the Russians a taste of there own medicine

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek they would claim it was a war crime and the poor Donbabwian children would get cancer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only Donbabwians left after this war will be Russian women used as birthing sows for Azov Chads. Not because I like Azov, but because I hate Russians so much I want to see Ukranian Nazis pump their women with spunk and breed them like cows and air the footage directly to every house in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

        t. Moderate

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mmmm Hispanicey

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still think the Abrams will be the western MBT that ends up flooding in to Ukraine in volume. Logistics, fuel, blah blah, that can all be overcome in time. It's the only tank available in volume, there's fuck all Challenger 2 and not that much more Leopard 2. Not sure about Leclerc but probably even fewer. Abrams is the only tank available in the volume that Ukraine needs to deal with the 6-figure vatnik rush that's coming this year.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Me too anon, I'm just waiting for the day.
      The UK has been the testbed for escalation the last year, a vital US asset in that regard.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's close to the number of Leopard 2 in the German army. If they finally decide to send those tanks, it will be of a similar scale.
      Meanwhile, USA has about 3 thousand Abrams tanks in storage. Why not send these?

      There are around 2000 Leopards in europe, we just need to get everyone to chip in

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The prime minister outlined the UK’s ambition to intensify our support to Ukraine, including through the provision of Challenger 2 tanks and additional artillery systems.

    >outlined the UK’s ambition

    Still seems pretty weaselly and walkbackable

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He literally told Zelensky in a call this morning that we are providing a tank squadron.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Realistically they used that same language on pretty much everything they actually already sent. There's some in Poland already to make up for the polish T72's sent over, potentially could be using those? I thought they had bong crews though.
      It's just politics, the language used is intentionally vague because it's politics.
      Their intent is to supply tanks, this they will supply tanks, unless the US foots the bill and dumps 500 Abrams into Ukriane, of which case what would be the point in 12.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The first 4 tanks are set to be delivered immediately.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think they may already there looking at the number of RAF C-17 to Rzeszow this week.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The first 4 tanks are set to be delivered immediately.

          There are stocks in Germany and Challenger 2 units deployed to Poland, I imagine 4 of those tanks will remain where they are but be assigned to Ukraine, then we'll start training crews on them alongside British tank crews and engineers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its likely that the Ukrainian tank crews were already trained with them in the summer on Salisbury Plain.

            [...]
            14 Challenger 2s are already deployed in Poland to back fill the tanks Poland donated. My guess is they will just be driven over the border.

            I think its unlikely the Brits would send the latest variant just encase it was captured, though the Vatnik tears as one of these bad bois appeared on the horizon and started popping their T-72s and BMPs would be hilarious.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The latest in service variant is still pretty old - which is why Challenger 3 is being built.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Latest variant
              They are all the same, they all had the gen 3 Thermals added a while ago that was the last update the CR2 had. If you mean the TES kit or other armoured add ons then if the ones in Poland have them attached they will be removed before being sent if it's an issue.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Interesting thanks anon, I wasn't ware of how modular the armour and other add-ons were, I eagerly await the Vatnik tears and nook threats.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they all had the gen 3 Thermals added
                Not all of them got the Catherine imagers. It's mostly the ones deployed in eastern Europe

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All 227 in service Challenger 2s have the TISP upgrade. The ones in storage don't and the ones in Canada don't.
                Spec sheet is available here for anyone interested, sorry its a sperg forum.
                https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/568056-challenger-22022/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >All 227 in service Challenger 2s have the TISP upgrade
                I assure you, they do not.
                It didn't make economic sense to do TISP on a percentage of active vehicles that will have the turret replaced within a few years when they go for the in-depth life extension to Challenger 3

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think they may already there looking at the number of RAF C-17 to Rzeszow this week.

        14 Challenger 2s are already deployed in Poland to back fill the tanks Poland donated. My guess is they will just be driven over the border.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I hope that was just a clever ploy and they've already been training Ukie crews on them this whole time.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That unironically sounds like what they did.
            They said they "were British crews under direct control of Poland", but that just sounds like fancy wordplay for "Ukrainians trained in Britain", kek.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has confirmed the UK will provide Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine in a call with President Zelensky, No 10 says
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-64274704
      >Always strong support of the UK is now impenetrable and ready for challenges. In a conversation with the Prime Minister,
      @RishiSunak, I thanked for the decisions that will not only strengthen us on the battlefield, but also send the right signal to other partners.
      >Zelenskys twitter
      Nah I think it's certain.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they will probably walk it back on logistical grounds as soon as somebody else steps up to provide a more workable solution. A single squadron isn't really worth the effort, especially considering that there's good chance they just get hammered by artillery without ever firing a shot

      Serious question, hasn't Ukraine captured tons of Russian tanks already (including fairly modern ones). I guess modern Western tanks are better, but shouldn't the tanks they have be more than enough when used properly (i.e. not by Russians).

      They did, but they are needed to just replace existing losses. If ukraine wants to expand it's tank forces, they need a lot more

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its a constitutional nuance but the PM isn't the "commander in chief" so they tend to use the passive voice esp. in diplomatic communication. He's never going to say "I have ordered that X, Y and Z happen" like Biden might.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Serious question, hasn't Ukraine captured tons of Russian tanks already (including fairly modern ones). I guess modern Western tanks are better, but shouldn't the tanks they have be more than enough when used properly (i.e. not by Russians).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      better served for spare parts
      source: my ass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And now check how many tanks they have lost.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia still has more tanks; more APCs and IFVs; more atillery (except for long-range); more air power; and is due to probably mobilise up to half a million more retards. More tanks for Ukraine, as well as more of everything else, is absolutely crucial.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of them were is various states of fucked before being sent to Ukraine, I think the abandooner meme became a thing because of crews looking for any excuse to ditch their un-maintained deathtraps.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why can iraq have abrams but not ukraine lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because giving them to Iraq was cheaper than bringing them home lol

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    threadly reminder to vote john bolton for president 2024 so that the earth can be cleansed in nuclear hellfire

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >these 12 wonder weapons will definitely help us to win this war that we are already totally winning.
    >pls send help.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is buying ammo from north korea and Iran is taking them to the cleaners for drones you can literally build in a shed

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is just pathetic.12 tanks lol, western allies my ass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Schroedingers support for Ukraine: pathetic and useless but also a nuke-worthy escalation and akin to active NATO involvement in the war

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        heh. you wont do shit.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the UK just skip over sending IFVs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we're using them, unlike Germany and the US our army hasn't had massive downsizing which has left lots of spare equipment.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      don't fucking have any to give

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I really don't envy the ukrainian nerds in charge of logistics.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    eagerly awaiting the ramstein meeting next week

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >4 Challenger tanks from UK
    >6 Leopard tanks from Poland
    >10 Bradleys from USA

    I wonder what the implications on logistics and training could be with Ukraine getting a small number of 100 different kinds of tanks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you reducing the numbers because you're retarded or are you trolling (same thing)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh sorry, is Ukraine receiving 200 different kinds of tanks?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine always got low amounts of equipment for the first batches. Every time someone spazzes out over it until they get more, then they spaz out over the next small batch.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why don't they just have b-21s drop bombs on russian positions at night

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can't wait to hear that the uki crews killed themselves messing with the charges
    If trained brit crews have trouble with it I'm sure the slavs are going to have a great time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The one nasty incident I heard about was the result of a plug in the breech being forgotten about during maintenance, and a stowage bin for the charges being left open by the crew. Any others?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How long until the next goalpost shift on the nuke threat?
    >o-okay, we'll allow you to send challenger 2s but no leopards! we mean it this time!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Leos are already in, but from the Poles of course

      >but no leopards! we mean it this time!
      >t. Scholz

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They aren't, it was yet another incident of gays overblowing some statement.

        Scholz said that they won't block any Leo2 delivery to Ukraine, countries just need to ask. Turns out no one actually asked them and they were all just posturing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no we won't do that
          >hmm we'll talk about it
          >...
          >...
          >(someone else does it anyway)
          >I said we'd talk about it, didn't I?
          >I never actually said no
          >...
          >ok FINE! I'll do it, but next month, okay?
          >...
          >see how good I am to you? be thankful!
          Scholz's bullshit is instantly recognisable; it's like back when you were asking for a blowjob from your girlfriend the first time

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're retarded. All Poland or anyone else would have to do to deliver Leopard 2 is ask Germany for approval. They haven't done that yet. Germany didn't block anything since February 24th.

            What's likely gonna be published on that NATO summit on January 20th is a Polish-Finnish-German joint delivery of Leopard 2 to Ukraine. Poland and Finland are probably gonna deliver their old 2A4, since Germany doesn't operate those anymore it's gonna be interesting what Germany sends, maybe remaining 2A4 from industry stocks or actual 2A6 from Bundeswehr stocks.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sending anything with the L/55 only makes sense when sending DM53/63 too. Which is likely not going to happen. So it would be 2a5s max. As the german industry stocks are a huge black box for the most part we do not know what’s inside exactly. I would put my money on 2a4s with some of the add on armor, which should be an easy modification and there might be modules in storage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >DM53
                Why wont that happen? DM63 is slowly starting to replace the DM33 and 53, but the 55 is basically the standard round for L44's these days

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *the 53

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because they will dump the L/44 optimized stuff first. Why would they hand out ammo optimized for the L/55 when there might be DM33 left?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We run the DM53 as our standard warshot on the L44, so i think its pretty much standard now. But i think the DM33 will handle anything in need of an apfsds down there anyway, and the main use will probably be IMHE at the end of the day

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i think the DM33 will handle anything
                except maybe T-90

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >all you had to do was ask, I would've said yes!
              uhuh yeah
              all men have heard that one before
              diplomacy is done in private; nobody asked PUBLICLY because everyone knew the answer would be no
              same as it always was: everyone's getting ready for war
              >"diplomacy and dialogue is the only way"
              other NATO allies donate German kit
              >"no you cannot" (blocks exports)
              the war kicks off
              >"here, have some helmets"
              others send artillery and APCs
              >"have some Pzf3 and ammo"
              >"Bundeswehr can't give up its Pzh2000s"
              other nations want to donate SAMs eg Patriot
              >"no you cannot"
              how about tanks
              >"no Leopards!"
              and here we are

              every time, Germany U-turns on its categorical "NO!" whenever someone else tells them to fuck off and goes ahead anyway. she is the girl who won't give you a blowjob until she feels left out because all her friends do to their boyfriends, or it looks like someone else is getting interested. but finishes it by saying
              >all you had to do was ask, I would've said yes!

              bitch

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >blabla read this paragraph full of bullshit
                denying a request for Leopard 2 delivery would be political suicide for Scholz. Nobody has made an actual request yet, so everything you say is cope.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if I don't read it I can pretend it never happened
                nice try, but ywnbaw

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                German government has stated multiple times Leopard 2 is off the table until X happens.
                They just keep moving the goalpost. You need to stop sucking your government's dick.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No they haven’t. They just said that they will not provide tanks unless part of a larger coalition of countries.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can stop now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm actually in favor of delivering Leopard 2 and I'm no fan of Scholz
                what I can stand even less than Scholz is foreigners acting like we had any sort of obligation to make these deliveries and as if you were in any position to make demands on us

                nobody said Germany didn't donate anything; it is true however that Germany never takes the initiative
                and the response is?
                >post pic that proves nothing
                >"you would've blamed me anyway like you always do so I didn't, awright!"
                as always, typical bitch girlfriend behaviour

                >it is true however that Germany never takes the initiative
                oh no, might that have anything to do that we've been cucked after WW2 and no actual ability to formulate and pursue our own national interest???
                US+allies made us into what we are (nothing but a cog in multilateral systems) so don't cry about it now if act accordingly

                It wasn't fake news, the form that needed to be filled in had a two week turn around time despite it being on the eve of a war.

                https://i.imgur.com/0KbimvA.jpg

                ???

                give me a source that the British plane was blocked from German airspace

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what I can stand even less than Scholz is foreigners acting like we had any sort of obligation to make these deliveries and as if you were in any position to make demands on us
                You were viewed as one of the leading nations of the EU. Clearly not anymore, that's why you're being mocked and ridiculed. All you have shown is WW2 French-tier lack of initiative.

                >oh no, might that have anything to do that we've been cucked after WW2 and no actual ability to formulate and pursue our own national interest???
                You mean like during Cold War, when you had one of the most potent armies and MICs of that period?
                >US+allies made us into what we are (nothing but a cog in multilateral systems) so don't cry about it now if act accordingly
                You made yourself that way.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You were viewed as one of the leading nations of the EU.
                nope, we were only viewed like that when it was about criticizing us or making demands on us. Fuck off with that bullshit gaslighting taking point.
                >You mean like during Cold War, when you had one of the most potent armies and MICs of that period?
                we had a capable army for territorial defense, it wasn't ever used outside Germany during the cold war and didn't export weapons to korea, vietnam or afghanistan either.
                >You made yourself that way.
                no we didn't occupy ourselves. we also didn't spy on our chancellor or blew up our pipeline, wonder which of our supposed friends that was.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nope, we were only viewed like that when it was about criticizing us or making demands on us. Fuck off with that bullshit gaslighting taking point.
                moron. The EU was literally germano-centric for decades. Stop this bullshit persecution complex. Germany deserves the least to spew this kind of rethoric on this continent.

                >we had a capable army for territorial defense, it wasn't ever used outside Germany during the cold war and didn't export weapons to korea, vietnam or afghanistan either.
                Yeah, but you exported weapons and vehicles to Italy, worked with France and UK, Argentina and many other countries. Get the fuck out of here.

                >no we didn't occupy ourselves.
                Have you thought about not losing the war then?
                >wonder which of our supposed friends that was.
                Your best friends, russia. The pipe blew up from the inside.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >moron. The EU was literally germano-centric for decades. Stop this bullshit persecution complex. Germany deserves the least to spew this kind of rethoric on this continent.
                nope, it was primarily a French construct, ofc uninformed retards like yourself don't know about it.
                >Yeah, but you exported weapons and vehicles to Italy, worked with France and UK, Argentina and many other countries. Get the fuck out of here.
                none of which were active warzones
                >Your best friends, russia. The pipe blew up from the inside.
                what would Russia gain from destroying its ability to blackmail us with gas deliveries? Deliveries had already stopped, then the US blew it up because it trusts us so little and respects us so little that it wanted to make sure deliveries can't resume in the future: https://youtu.be/weCuz0wtEtU

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cucker tardson
                Okay, so you're just trolling. Glad we got that straight. No more (you)s.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                watch the video. I know it doesn't fit in your worldview but it's pretty obvious nonetheless who destroyed NS2.

                >Dennis has entered the thread
                Why do autistic Germans monitor every thread 24/7? Is Dennis a hivemind

                this Dennis never posted on PrepHole, he's too retarded to know about military or politics
                he was stupid enough to doxx himself on /int/, then some other German gay posted his identity on here and lied about him for some (You)s. And you retards gobble it up like the idiots you are.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >pretty obvious
                Tucker Carlson wouldn't blame the Russians if they dedovshchina'd his wife and four children in front of him, so nothing he says is at all worth listening to

                what's pretty obvious is that Russia was best positioned to blow up the pipeline by maintenance bot or with the two ships they had oh-so-coincidentally lingering around the two blast zones

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Tucker Carlson's comment is only a glimpse at the very end of the video, there are comments from the US gov spokeswoman and Biden himself that leave very little room for interpretation. Russia had literally nothing to gain from blowing up NS2. The US made it clear how it stood towards the project. Germany had already halted the project and there was no more gas deliveries going on, but some mysterious power still decided to blow it up. Clearly it was Russia blowing up its own pipeline. And no, me pointing out that the US treats us not like friends and allies but as vassals that can be pushed around is not equal to me siding with Russia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia had literally nothing to gain from blowing up NS2.
                Lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what did they have to gain from it, retard?
                destroying their own infrastructure?
                destroying their ability to make money with gas deliveries?
                destroying their ability to extort Germany with gas deliveries?
                you have to be retarded or blind to not see who blew up that pipeline.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, they avoid having to pay billions in contract fines if they physically are unable to service a contract.
                They can try to intimidate Europe by painting it as an "escalation".
                They also left one pipeline alone, just in case it works and Europe starts to buy gas again.
                >you have to be retarded or blind to not see who blew up that pipeline.
                You are clearly retarded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >is not equal to me siding with Russia.
                and yet...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There never were any gas deliveries through NS2. The pipeline wasn't in service yet, and Germany killed the project when the war began for political reasons. No gas was ever going to flow through it, so why the fuck would the US risk the biggest political scandal in post war history over an empty nobody was thinking of using?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There never were any gas deliveries through NS2. The pipeline wasn't in service yet, and Germany killed the project when the war began for political reasons.
                exactly, and the US still blew it up, spitting in our face
                >why the fuck would the US risk the biggest political scandal in post war history over an empty nobody was thinking of using?
                because there was zero risk. Everyone besides Germany was massively against the project anyway and happy to help the US and follow their story. Plus the US could obviously manufacture the story about "Russian sabotage" (on a Russian pipeline lol), and everyone was happy to take that up shortly after the Russian invasion.
                Russia had nothing to gain and only to lose from the destruction. Germany had only to lose too (there were no gas deliveries, but it was an option at least). The only ones who had to gain were the US and Poland, because it ensured that there would never be gas delivries through that, plus it removed potential competition for the Baltic Pipe pipeline which went to Poland which went into operation last September. Also the US gov and Biden himself were very clear they'd end NS2 "one way or another", but ofc you refuse to acknowledge that fact.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >exactly, and the US still blew it up, spitting in our face
                Yeah, it couldn't be russia doing it for the exact same effect...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No it wasn't an option, because not even NS1 is operating. Poland and the US gain absolutely nothing from blowing up a pipeline that was never going to be used

                >So it's important to you to be the first off the line, except when Germany is
                except Germany consistently isn't

                >since "we don't have that" is apparently a valid excuse, why isn't it for Germany?
                because Germany had plenty of stuff but were tardy in using it
                also, Gepard is a short-range anti-air weapon; plenty of short-range anti-air weapons had LONG been donated; simply because it is a GUN and not a MISSILE doesn't make it unique
                Germany doesn't get to boast about winning a medal in a one-man race

                >Those PzH2000s and MARS 2s literally came from active german service, what more do you want?
                and you think other nations are giving only their old stocks

                >And does the first system to arrive get a stat boost or why is that at all relevant?
                I will put this in terms you may understand, if you ever worked a day in your life
                it is like that guy in office who is consistently last to show up
                he may say that "at least he showed up"
                he may say that "hey on that one day, he was first" - except it was that day when only he was supposed to be in office
                yet the whole office can tell: his heart is not in the job

                >simply because it is a GUN and not a MISSILE doesn't make it unique
                Ask me how I know that you're a complete retard that doesn't understand SHORAD at all
                >and you think other nations are giving only their old stocks
                I'm sure those FH-70s and M777s were direly needed lmao
                >I will put this in terms you may understand, if you ever worked a day in your life
                I don't know about you, but where I have worked the thing people care about is the job actually getting done. Arriving 5 minutes early to do the same or worse work does not make you a better worker. Granted, I also never worked as a wagie in some dead end hell hole, but with your mental facilities it's little wonder that you can't go beyond that

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they clearly gained by removing a potential competitor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There was no "potential" competition because using the pipeline would have been political suicide both internally and externally. After certification was canceled, the thing might as well have been repurposed to a gigantic bong. No gas was ever going to flow through it, and everybody knew. There's no need in eliminating a competitor that is already eliminated

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >only nation to donate musket
                crown me the king!
                >I'm sure
                that you're a retard
                >where I have worked the thing people care about is the job actually getting done
                lmao
                yeah, spoken exactly like someone who never ever took the initiative
                no wonder the concept is alien to you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Alright retard, how are your 8 missiles on a Stormer going to deal with a wave of 16 Shaheds? And surely those missiles are as resistant to countermeasures as shells from an autocannon aye?

                Think about it when you go to sleep tonight wagie. Surely your boss will have to see the effort you're putting in by always arriving early eh? Or at least he would, if you weren't too retarded to do your actual job lmao. Just keep "taking the initiative", maybe he will one day promote you to the drivethrough or whatever

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm already my own boss 😉
                have fun sucking boss's dick, hurensohn

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can tell you're not by how important being early is to you. Your boss broke you well and good wagie, it even affects your thoughts on military affairs 🙂

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the “Dennis” poster is the same shill whose job is to shit up any thread about Russian tanks/equipment with the endless Armatard spam. He became a laughingstock for spamming about Armatard for literally years, so now instead of Armatard, he’s spamming someone’s actual name. It’s just to prevent discussion and cause anyone skimming the posts to think someone is getting doxxed in the thread.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Derailing threads is just too easy. There are most certainly some trolls who somit just for fun. But whenever specific topics come up, the really committed people come out of the woodwork.
                The tactic is always the same. Jingoistic antagonistic shitflinging will create a lot of interaction and steer the conversation away from its topic. Every attempt at going back on topic will be drowned in spam. I am certain that a lot of the interaction is actually fake and created by few people using multiple devices.
                Who these actors are and what their motivation is remains unclear, that would be a totally different topic.

                We are not going to see a lot happening till next friday. UK pledging CR2 will set the tone and we are likely going to see 1+ battalions worth of Leo2s next. The US will not pledge tanks, pointing out that 3 different western models will be too much of a logistical burden and rather send something else. I don’t see Germany sending Leos by the way, they will rather pledge more Marders. They will provide
                high level maintenance for the tanks though and build huge repair hubs right across the border.
                What do you think will the US pledge after the Rammstein meeting?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Tucker Carlson
                Lol, fuck off with this Russian simp

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"all this while you never treated me right, there was the time that... and the time that... and when...!"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you happily started 2 world wars and now you're acting like victims when preventing a third, you do understand pootin doesn't want to stop at ukraine, autismo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Meanwhile, the German Ministry of Defense said that there was no request for British transporters to overfly German territory, and that they were not prohibited from entering, German newspaper Bild reports.
                >No request was made
                Because it required bullshit german autism paperwork, so they just flew round into non autism countries.
                German cowardice is a fact anon not a theory.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >sperg out about heckin German militarism, form two massive coalitions and wage two world wars to subdue us
                >hurr why aren't you martial anymore?????

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"And I only made a little mistake
                [it wasn't]
                >and you BLOCKED me for FIVE days!! you're always unfair to me!"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >acting like we had any sort of obligation to make these deliveries and as if you were in any position to make demands on us

                >"I don't HAVE to give you a blowjob you know!"
                ah but she doesn't want to let go of the relationship either, and gets super jealous when other girls make a pass, saying catty things like "I don't know what he sees in her" and "she's just a slut" but oh, when push comes to shove
                >unzips

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Blocked the Bongs flying over their airspace as well with munitions blaming 'paperwork'.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                fake news, have a nice day

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't fake news, the form that needed to be filled in had a two week turn around time despite it being on the eve of a war.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ???

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                https://i.imgur.com/opnV5uG.jpg

                Lmao I forgot about that

                they didn't block them but did come up with some bullshit documentation log jam. Typical German bullshit.

                In reality Germany was undecided on its position and was dragging its feet (shitting itself) and didn't want to upset the Russians.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they didn't block them
                so you lied, like usual. got it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah, sure you can overfly. Submit a paper form request signed by the prime minister in triplicate to offices in Berlin, Frankfurt and Munich no later than 2 hours from each other, detailing the exact contents of transport and 2 hour window that you plan to traverse them. We will have a response for you in 6-8 weeks 🙂

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao I forgot about that

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet, all of that shit was and will be delivered. So unless your point is that the nation which was force fed pacifistic propaganda for 70 years didn't jump at the chance to donate weapons to country that might not survive the week, what is there to complain about? How many SAMs, SPGs, ARVs, bridgelayers and SPAAGs have you donated to Ukraine?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So unless your point is that the nation which was force fed pacifistic propaganda for 70 years
                lol
                lmao
                You mean the pacifist propaganda that amounted to producing 2k+ Leo 2s during that period?

                https://i.imgur.com/IyeTBNq.jpg

                Germany apparently still operates 183 of the 245 2A5s still in its inventory.
                350 A5s were upgraded to A5, of which 105 were sold to Poland

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Producing tanks = jingoist politics. I am very smart

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >false dichotomy

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    once again, the bongs lead the charge

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      just shitposting but:

      NATO gradually escalating deliveries, drones->military gear->ammunition and rifles->ATMs->soviet armour->cold war NATO armour->newer NATO armour->Challenger 2->m1/Leo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Long range artillery systems and aviation are the next logical step.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unless the pilots have been training covertly for like 6 months already, I think the aviation part will arrive too late, if ever.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            we know they have 😉
            F-16s by the end of this year, mark my words

            I bet those trucks move only when US intelligence allows them. The fact not a single one has been destroyed yet is baffling.

            >move only when US intelligence allows them
            I hadn't thought of that
            genius

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Slow bong shitbox extremly big in the middle of ukrainian fields. We will destroy them easily with our kornets from kilometers away

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we'll use chemical weaponry against tanks specifically designed against chemical weaponry
      Solid plan.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >chemical weaponry
        what?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tank sperg speak for shaped charges.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How will it fare against the threats in ukraine? Russians only seem to equip 3bm42 at best for their tanks, most of the turret and upper hull should be largely immune but it's still better than anything Iraq used. The 80mm lower front hull is a worry, if they give them add on armor it might help but even then I'm not sure it can protect against 3bm42. Kornet is probably the biggest threat, maybe the front of the turret can survive one.
    I can imagine them actually liking the HESH rounds a lot. Ukraine is full of squishy targets like BMPs, BTRs, T-62 and mobiks in trenches or buildings.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    < And now the gloves come off <

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *reveals second pair of gloves underneath*

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they repeat an old threat again
        Bizarre. Everyone knows that if you keep repeating threats and never do anything you look like a complete fucking clown.

        >tfw Russias entire Navy is sunk in the next 24 hours
        I bet the submariners are creaming right now

        Oh yeah sure, they'll do what, launch an air strike against the UK? Or maybe mustering grounds in Poland?

        Bet that will work out great for them.

        This, they've thrown out so many empty threats at this point that anything they say now has absolutely zero impact and is immediately dismissed for what it is.
        It really is the boy who cried nuke.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they repeat an old threat again
      Bizarre. Everyone knows that if you keep repeating threats and never do anything you look like a complete fucking clown.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw Russias entire Navy is sunk in the next 24 hours
      I bet the submariners are creaming right now

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah sure, they'll do what, launch an air strike against the UK? Or maybe mustering grounds in Poland?

      Bet that will work out great for them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Weren't they say that for almost a year? How many not yet delivered to Ukraine military targets were destroyed? 0?

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    o7

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Ukraine losing despite the world support?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I bet you think the Soviet Union was losing in January 1944 as well don't you?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why can't Russia the largest country on earth and for a long time apparent second world power not defeat the poorest country in Europe with a tiny population in comparison?

      You government took all the Russia stronk money and spent it on tap water for themselves, I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you keep posting the exact same thing beside the exact same image every thread?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't say losing, they're holding on but at a grave cost. its like throwing water balloons at a wall and expecting it to crumble. the Russians historically always lose more than their opponents but they are prepared to lose more to win more.
      Disregard for their life is what wins their battles, western countries don't think like that.
      also the war isn't too bad because people in kyiv-kiev are still going by the day as normal.

      pic related a summer blueberry harvest in July.
      I hope it ends soon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the Russians historically always lose more than their opponents but they are prepared to lose more to win more
        works until the day they lose everything

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and when is that anon? Russians reproduce like rabbits.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Russians reproduce like rabbits
            lol
            lmao
            RUSSIA MAKES JAPAN LOOK GOOD

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              so you showed me a chart with more people than two other cold weather places. not to mention the Russians live in colder weather long and have shorter harvests.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You've managed to win this argument, I can't refute your point because I don't know what you're fucking trying to say

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i win da internetz.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's saying that he can not extrapolate demographic trends from graphs, therefore russia wins because number bigger.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, muslims do. Russia's overall population, ethnic russians in particular, is in decline.
            The Nazi's fucked up terribly in a lot of ways, but initiating an irreversible demographic decline in russia was a boon for the human species, and maybe even worth the trouble.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even if russia got Ukraine to sign an unconditional surrender tomorrow, they would then be faced with an active insurgency and a trillion dollar repair bill they can't pay under sanctions. The war is completely pointless, because even winning would ruin russia. And they aren't even winning

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >world support
      Russia can't even make it through Ukraine when only a minority of Ukraine's equipment is from Nato. Its a small fraction of what the west could give and only a fraction of what Ukraine is using. If that counts as world support then Russia is also getting world support giving their drones come from Iran and their ammo from North Korea.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Your move Germany/USA.
    The main thing I want from this war is for Europeans to do their share and do the minimum of 2%.
    IMO we should give Abrams but not until it is almost spring

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spring will probably be to late if they announce a big moobilisation and Belarus joins the war, things will be interesting on Friday at the next Rammstein meeting.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Belarus joins the war
        this would be kino since it would likely result in a popular uprising in Belarus and become quite bloody

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and Belarus joins the war
        Belarus has an army of < 50k and public sentiment is VERY against a war.
        If they were to fight, they would be a drop in the bucket and we will probably see a Belarusian uprising since they're needed at home to keep the people from revolting

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's when the Chechens and Rosgvardiya come into play and thus formal annexation of Belarus.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah because what the russians really need right now is all of their logistical infrastructure and airbases in Belarus suddenly finding themselves in the middle of an active insurgency with a possible Ukrainian counterinvasion

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you think they might frag their command and glowies, then join the war on Ukraine's side?
          Would Lukashenko remain in power to lead the burgeoning "union state"?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The country is dirt poor and nobody will ever join high intensity war just because they don’t like the other guy. There could be some volunteers, but entering the war formally is never going to happen.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Belarus is never going to join the war by sending troops. That would spell the end of the current government and remove it from Russias SOI.

        A squadron of Kuwait chieftains help up two Iraqi Republican Guard divisions for a whole day, only withdrawing because they were running out of ammo and fuel.
        Most people on PrepHole are woefully misinformed about the relative strengths of cold war weapons.

        They don’t even understand that most of the stuff they know about is 1980s tech. CW escalation in 1991 would have been Armageddon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian support for the war remains high
        Yeah, that's why a leaked poll showed a 25% support for the war and over a million Russian men fled the last mobilisation.
        What fucking rag is that article from?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >unwilling to tolerate defeat
        What does winning look like to them?
        An easy victory disappeared after week 1 of the invasion.
        And I wonder how many more Russian men will flee the country, now that the first wave of people has fled, set themselves up and possibly able to encourage and receive their friends and relatives.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish they'd just skip past all these escalating steps to "open floodgates" or whatever that everyone involved knows is just theatre and just got to the point already

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine is going to become a melting pot and weapons testbed for the foreseeable future.
      Given this escalation, it won't be long until leo2s start turning up and more likely than not abrams afterwards.
      Then they'll start stepping up with air or longer range artillery and so on.
      It's going to be kino.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Then they'll start stepping up with air or longer range artillery and so on.
        probably a matter of time until Ukies get F-16
        wouldn't be surprised if Ukie pilots are already trained on them in secret

        Sending anything with the L/55 only makes sense when sending DM53/63 too. Which is likely not going to happen. So it would be 2a5s max. As the german industry stocks are a huge black box for the most part we do not know what’s inside exactly. I would put my money on 2a4s with some of the add on armor, which should be an easy modification and there might be modules in storage.

        I'm not sure the German army even operates 2A5 anymore. Afaik all German active Leos are 2A6 or newer
        delivering A4s from industry stocks would probably be possible but slow down the already slow deliveries to the Czechs and Slovaks, they're both getting 15 Leo 2A4s each, Hungary is getting some A4s too I think
        but they're probably alright with waiting longer if Ukraine gets it instead

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          As far as I am aware it’s only 2a6/2a7, but I could be mistaken. I cannot track 150+ 2a5 hulls, so there is some potential. I might just lack information, though. German storage is a magic black box.
          2a4s make sense as that’s what mit countries have surplus stock of. Then they can pull the EU unity stunt where everyone gets to send a company or two and in the end it’s like 2-3 batallions. Good for the show, which is always a factor.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Germany apparently still operates 183 of the 245 2A5s still in its inventory.
            350 A5s were upgraded to A5, of which 105 were sold to Poland

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can you imagine the arms black market post war?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The european organized crime scene is still completely flooded from the yugo wars. Honestly, Ukraine will probably leak less weapons because they will still be an actual state when this is over, and flooding the underground arms market with NATO donated small arms would throw a massive wrench into EU accession plan if it's not properly dealt with

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >skip
      They can't just give modern weapons to Ukraine and wait. You have to train units to operate with weapons and then release them, this is why as they train Ukrainians they announce some equipment they've been trained with go to Ukraine.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually had the joy of speaking to two belarusians (one still living there and over to hike with his buddy who now lives here) whilst out hiking on the hills.
    They were pretty outspoken about the situation there, was pretty interesting.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nice

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What did they have to say? Anti Russia or Anti Ukraine? I know they had a lot of unrest a couple of years ago, are the general population as indoctrinated as the Russians or are they more pro western?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anti Russian and anti lukashenko.
        Can't remember everything they said but they were very much in favor of Putin/Lukashenko getting a 9mil sleeping pill.
        The guy that still lives there didn't have nice things to say about the country.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Used correctly these should be pretty tough against most threats in AO, at least frontally.
    Of course they will die to sideshots like everything else and they will still be vulnerable to artillery.

    The optics setup is good but not exceptional with ok gunner thermals but no commander thermals
    Fundamentally similar to the most upgraded Ukrainian tanks and the modern Russian tanks.
    Here you can see the neglect of the British army Armored forces over the past 20 years.
    Only with the Challenger 3 LES will challenger tanks be upgraded to the cutting edge standard.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Only with the Challenger 3 LES will challenger tanks be upgraded to the cutting edge standard.
      AFAIK the Challenger 3 only has the option for APS, but doesn't come standard with it
      a modern tank is not up to date without APS.
      so currently only the Israeli Merkava IVs, some American M1A2s, and a very low number of German Leopard 2A7s are genuinely "cutting edge".

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Challenger 3 only has the option for APS, but doesn't come standard with it

        Nah, they come with it it's just when the CR3 contract was announced the separate APS contract hasn't been signed yet so it wasn't confirmed. That contract is now signed for Trophy APS.

        >https://euro-sd.com/2021/11/articles/exclusive/24532/trophy-aps-trial/

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          good to hear, wasn't aware of that.
          I wonder if the French are planning APS for their Leclercs too.

          I wish PrepHole was old enough to remember Turkey lost HEIGHT leopard 2 tanks fighting in the border of Syria against the weakest rebel factions in the least active front, including 6 loses to ISIS post collapse of their territorial holdings
          You morons are huffing some pure propaganda if you think 12 tanks are going to make a dent in this war

          nobody (who isn't retarded) is claiming this will change the course of the war or that western MBTs are some sort of invincible super weapon
          that doesn't mean we can't talk about it

          >if I don't read it I can pretend it never happened
          nice try, but ywnbaw

          I actually did read it afterwards and I wish I hadn't, it's full of the usual lies, like denying it was Germany that sent the first proper SAM system (IRIS-T) while others were fantasizing about delivering Patriots.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >IRIS
            yes, the only category of Western equipment Germany didn't drag its feet to provide

            even then, not the first SAM system; S-300s and other Russian SAMs had already been donated by allies

            Germany is literally That Bitch Girlfriend

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >yes, the only category of Western equipment Germany didn't drag its feet to provide

              They wanted to provide 3 in 2022, they provided 1.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're sending them right from the production line so you'll have to take that one up with the companies producing it

                >IRIS-T
                came after S-300
                >Gepards
                ah yes, the ones they "had no ammo for"
                coming months after thousands of Stingers and UK Stormer SPAA
                >M270 MARS
                after US HIMARS and UK M270
                >Pzh2000
                loooong after artillery systems including Dana and Caesar

                always late

                The Stingers and Strelas Germany also sent? Also, fucking lmao at the notion that MANPADS are in any way comparable to tracked SPAAGs. And we certainly didn't see any articles about Stormer literally making the Kharkiv offensive possible

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just because literally nobody else has any SPAAGs in inventory doesn't mean Germany is contributing a fantastically battlefield-conquering asset, just a unique one
                and first there was all that mess about getting ammo

                >The Stingers and Strelas Germany also sent?
                Again, AFTER other countries did
                Germany is always late to the party

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >stupid germans only ever sends something after everyone else grr
                >okay maybe they did actually send something nobody else did but it doesn't count!
                Please stop acting like that. What did Spain take the initiative on? Or Italy? Denmark? Sweden? Literally 90% of countries that send anything at all because there's only so many categories of equipment and by now most have had a "first"? Who sends what first is a retarded measure to apply

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >always late to the party
                >send a unicorn gun tank when everyone else is packing missiles
                >"look there's one (1) time I did something OKAY, it's not ALWAYS!"
                >"it's a dumb game anyway"

                >by now most have had a "first"?
                unlikely, because most countries aren't major arms manufacturers, but it's super obvious that barring one time simply because nobody else has that particular item, and others had already been supplying similar items, Germany drags its feet and never takes any initiative

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So it's important to you to be the first off the line, except when Germany is. Aight. And since "we don't have that" is apparently a valid excuse, why isn't it for Germany? Those PzH2000s and MARS 2s literally came from active german service, what more do you want? And does the first system to arrive get a stat boost or why is that at all relevant?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So it's important to you to be the first off the line, except when Germany is
                except Germany consistently isn't

                >since "we don't have that" is apparently a valid excuse, why isn't it for Germany?
                because Germany had plenty of stuff but were tardy in using it
                also, Gepard is a short-range anti-air weapon; plenty of short-range anti-air weapons had LONG been donated; simply because it is a GUN and not a MISSILE doesn't make it unique
                Germany doesn't get to boast about winning a medal in a one-man race

                >Those PzH2000s and MARS 2s literally came from active german service, what more do you want?
                and you think other nations are giving only their old stocks

                >And does the first system to arrive get a stat boost or why is that at all relevant?
                I will put this in terms you may understand, if you ever worked a day in your life
                it is like that guy in office who is consistently last to show up
                he may say that "at least he showed up"
                he may say that "hey on that one day, he was first" - except it was that day when only he was supposed to be in office
                yet the whole office can tell: his heart is not in the job

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              shut the fuck up already, talking about bitch girlfriends other cunts like whatever shithole you come from are like bitchy girlfriends making demands all the time
              if Germany does anything to its interest in Europe everyone cries about the evil 4th Reich
              if Germany doesn't do everything it's asked for instantly everyone cries about how inactive and heckin guilt tripped we are
              just shut the fuck up, will ya?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nobody said Germany didn't donate anything; it is true however that Germany never takes the initiative
                and the response is?
                >post pic that proves nothing
                >"you would've blamed me anyway like you always do so I didn't, awright!"
                as always, typical bitch girlfriend behaviour

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >IRIS-T
                came after S-300
                >Gepards
                ah yes, the ones they "had no ammo for"
                coming months after thousands of Stingers and UK Stormer SPAA
                >M270 MARS
                after US HIMARS and UK M270
                >Pzh2000
                loooong after artillery systems including Dana and Caesar

                always late

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you insist on posting factually incorrect information, mr russian shill?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not saying your wrong but the lack of Commander's thermal is negated on all combat deployed Challengers by sticking a RWS ontop, it's a none issue for the British Army. But I doubt the Challengers sent to Ukraine will have them.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish PrepHole was old enough to remember Turkey lost HEIGHT leopard 2 tanks fighting in the border of Syria against the weakest rebel factions in the least active front, including 6 loses to ISIS post collapse of their territorial holdings
    You morons are huffing some pure propaganda if you think 12 tanks are going to make a dent in this war

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron nobody here is going "hurr 12 tanks war won".
      Literally everybody here is talking about the precedent it sets for more modern MBTs to be sent and the escalation from then on as well.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he's still seething over HIMARS

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ah

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Remember when the turkish drones were hyped beyond belief until suddenly footage stopped coming in and it was later revealed they got decimated fairly early in the war and every pro Ukraine source stopped talking about them ?
          We havent seen or heard about HIMARS for a while now, draw your conclusions
          The internet archive is NAFO cringe kid's achilles heel

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >We havent seen or heard about HIMARS for a while now, draw your conclusions
            Literally killed a large number of mobiks celebrating New Years lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >because the news isn't reporting on it (because it's old news) that means thing is destroyed!
            This is some weak logic.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            HO HO HO

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wooden mock-up obviously, no news means they are all destroyed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This, russian liberators destroyed 101 HIMARS, 50 Bradley, and captured two Zelensky

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Lit up like a Christmas tree
              >and yet the VVS still can't hit it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I bet those trucks move only when US intelligence allows them. The fact not a single one has been destroyed yet is baffling.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact not a single one has been destroyed yet is baffling.
                SUCKS TO SUCK

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                GMLRS has really long range and the truck moves after firing. Unless they drive into some ambush by deep infiltrators, there is basically no way to ever destroy them. Even if they are within CB range, they will be on the move when shells are airborne.

                I talk a lot of shit about bongs but they're always there when it matters. Pretty sure they were among the first, if not the first, to offer security guarantees to Finland at the very beginning of the NATO application process, too.

                They are a nuclear power in NATO, would be really bad if they didn’t. That’s literally their job.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact not a single one has been destroyed yet is baffling
                It would be more baffling that one would get destroyed.
                They can use any paved road to move from hideouts to reloading points and to firing positions. They get close enough to the front to shoot, take a minutes to set up and fire, and a couple minutes to pack up and leave. Even if they got sighted by drone, they'd be gone before a missile could travel to the position. And they're followed by Stinger anti air crews at all times, and Ukraine wouldn't mind shooting a Stinger at an Orlan-10 to save a HIMARS. Aircraft would stand no chance at spotting HIMARS, they won't even get close enough to the front - instead resort to firing rocket volleys in a ballistic arc rather than overflying enemy positions - and you can be sure the vehicles will always be a few miles from contested areas.
                Not to mention hiding spots would change on the regular, and Ukraine purposefully left decoys to act as bait.
                It's like playing three card monte but the table is moving away from you at 40 mph.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                True. I am sure that some of the anti drone systems sent are specifically tasked with guarding the GMLRS platforms aswell.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            post webm

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I literally saw a video from yesterday of HIMARS jagga jaggaing some ruskies

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dude, it's not like only 12 tanks. It's 12 tanks in addition to a new weapons package delivery and it's for now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Turkey lost HEIGHT leopard
      What are you trying to say? Somone is stuck down the well?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Leopard could be literally fucking invincible and the turks would still find a way to lose some, because they are retarded inbreds

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Germany has a population of 80m people and 10% of them are Turkish.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      12 is first batch, and Jordan still have almost 400 Challengers 1 (modernized in past two decades) they are phasing out right now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What state are they in though? Afaik they gave them up for much lighter systems.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They gave them up because they are getting Leclerc from UAE.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but Ukraine is fighting a less capable army than ISIS

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tbh this but unironically
        ISIS were religious fanatics that didn't care if they died or not

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Weren't most leopards destroyed by turks themselves to stop them getting captured?

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No no no we said "Challenger, 2 tanks"

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The nice thing about getting them from the UK is that you know they'll have been well serviced and you'll probably be given the best examples they have rather than the worst that they don't want anymore.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I AM SO FUCKING HARD RIGHT NOW
    CAN'T WAIT FOR RAJNEESH OVER AT THE STOREHOUSE TO DUST OFF AT LEAST A COUPLE DOZEN MORE, THE BONGS CAN AFFORD THAT

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it would unironically be the best solution to the bongs' army problems; Ukraine pays for Challys and bongs buy new MBTs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ukraine pays for Challys

        With what?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your taxes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russian blood.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Foreign funds. NATO allies lend/give Ukraine the money, Ukraine "buys" their (old) equipment with it, they can now replace old equipment with new. It would not have happened without a war because there would have been no need for those Govts to spend this extra money.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leopards will be migrating east this winter, ready for spring hunting.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God I hope they will use them actually in attack roles. I wanna see some Challengers spearhead a combined arms offensive against vatniks, what a sight that would be.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Dennis has entered the thread
    Why do autistic Germans monitor every thread 24/7? Is Dennis a hivemind

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many Challenger II have TISP? the TOGS upgrade?
    Impossible to find information on the internet.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which hull would you place Leo 2A4 turrets on to aleviate the spare parts issue? Would it be possible to place them on the Jordanian Challies?
      Then again the turret on the Chally 1 is probably better than 2A4s.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    expect another wall of seething vatnik threads.the coping in the bradley and marder threads was already a sight to behold.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why aren't we sending Abrams?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pretty sure we will
      Bradley is already in the picture, after all
      I wonder if there are any operational M60A3s tho

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not for a long time buddy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you will sooner or later.I wonder what kind of empty threats they will hurl at you once you do.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do we manifest some sort of Challenger 2 vs Armata showdown duel? Do you think the russians will deploy them to counter the challengers if they know where they're going?

    I think UKR will actually use them instead of just keeping them back - UKRs love providing cold hard proof of how they make good effective use of everything sent over, so they're bound to use the challys a couple of times and get some footage to leverage more tank deliveries.

    We just need the russians to play ball as well and get some of their armatas actually working

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I talk a lot of shit about bongs but they're always there when it matters. Pretty sure they were among the first, if not the first, to offer security guarantees to Finland at the very beginning of the NATO application process, too.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's plausible donation to Ukraine over the next 6 months? ~30 Challenger 2s and ~250 Leopard 2s? That plus ~400 Bradley's?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What's plausible donation to Ukraine over the next 6 months?
      my bet? at least another 80+ tanks of various kinds, Leo, Chally, Abrams; another 200 IFVs of various kinds, Marder, Bradley, maybe AMX-10Ps; Eurocopter Pumas, Hueys, Little Birds, and maybe F-16s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zaluzhnyi said he needs 300 tanks, 6-700 IFVs, and 500 artillery pieces to resume a major offensive
      doesn't look like he'll get that anytime soon but in terms of tanks Leo 2 and M1 Abrams will likely be the most numerous long-term, there aren't that many Challenger 2s that can be spared
      Bradley will likely be the most numerous IFV to be sent, followed by Marder

      >is not equal to me siding with Russia.
      and yet...

      what? I'm for delivering weapons. I'm against foreigners talking shit about us and acting like we were obliged to do it because you are such heckin trustworthy friends to us.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's for your own good

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          fuck off

          I'm quite happy to be America's bitch; it's either that or be Russia's or China's bitch. I'll take burgers over vatniks and bugs every time.

          cuck
          the French do it right

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            build some nuclear power plants, some solar panels and some wind turbines, and stop sulking

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the French do it right
            in defence terms? yes. because they are serious about defence, and they're the 2nd biggest economy on the Continent, where the 1st biggest is a whiny bitch

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              both defense and politics, they maintain autonomy from the US more than any other western nation
              >whiny bitch
              that would be you gays crying about how Germany doesn't do enough 24/7

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >defense
                to feed their silly little MIC, though frog aerospace industry is actually pretty decent. they pay a huge price for it though.
                >and politics, they maintain autonomy from the US
                most if not all US allies maintain "autonomy"; and France is a reliable ally

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I really think everyone wants to avoid sending Abrams both because of logistics but also because it puts too prominent a US face on the war. The US will instead supply a mountain of Bradley's and maybe start sending Strykers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          US is the only NATO country operating Abrams and I doubt Gulf Arabs care enough to supply Abrams to Ukraine. So it's solely an American decision whether or not Ukraine receives Abrams.
          anyway I wonder how long training and everything will take for the western MBTs + IFVs. Perhaps the Ukrainians keep them in the back for a while to build up and train a proper force and then use them for a major offensive only in the summer or so.

          >defense
          to feed their silly little MIC, though frog aerospace industry is actually pretty decent. they pay a huge price for it though.
          >and politics, they maintain autonomy from the US
          most if not all US allies maintain "autonomy"; and France is a reliable ally

          >to feed their silly little MIC
          it's a strategic asset
          >most if not all US allies maintain "autonomy"; and France is a reliable ally
          UK is a lapdog which joins in bullshit like Iraq 2003 happily
          Germany was the biggest cuck of the US until recently but Poland is eager to take over that spot now
          anyway France likely wouldn't let it fly if the US spied on their president or blew up their infrastructure like before, they told the US to fuck off before and left NATO joint command when they felt mistreated
          I admire that about France

          Well, they avoid having to pay billions in contract fines if they physically are unable to service a contract.
          They can try to intimidate Europe by painting it as an "escalation".
          They also left one pipeline alone, just in case it works and Europe starts to buy gas again.
          >you have to be retarded or blind to not see who blew up that pipeline.
          You are clearly retarded.

          >Well, they avoid having to pay billions in contract fines if they physically are unable to service a contract.
          as if they would give a shit about that contract in this current situation
          it's clear as day the US blew up that pipeline, quit playing retarded. The US has pulled far more shady stuff in the past.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >US is the only NATO country operating Abrams

            Poland now operates them. They got 100 USMC M1A1 after giving tanks to Ukraine, their M1A2 SEP 3 will arrive in 2024.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'd think the training will have to happen outside of Ukraine since NATO trainers can't go into Ukraine. They'll probably just send Ukranian tankers to where donating countries usually train.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's clear as day the US blew up that pipeline, quit playing retarded. The US has pulled far more shady stuff in the past.

            Germany deserved it for starting this shit in the first place (something they admitted themselves). Fuck em.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Germany already halted the project and the US still blew it up. Fuck you.

              did Germany ever object to Turkey using their Leopard tanks in an evil, nasty, no-good war?

              yes, Germany sanctions Turkey too and keeps criticizing it. Idk there's any legal basis for prohibiting them using their own tanks, it's not the same as exporting them. Also they wouldn't give a shit either way.

              >exactly, and the US still blew it up, spitting in our face
              Yeah, it couldn't be russia doing it for the exact same effect...

              Russia has nothing to gain from it and it was their own pipeline. Stop acting retarded. I'm not even anti-US in general or anything, but on this issue it's clear what happened to anyone who's not fully retarded and it's hypocritical for you to then criticize Germany about insufficient arms deliveries because we should do more for this heckin wonderful jolly alliance in which nobody ever fucks the other over. Especially not the US.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia has nothing to gain from it and it was their own pipeline
                Neither does US since it wasn't going to be operational anyways. Keep being delusional.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it prevented the possibility of being used in the future. And the US was very clear that they would end the project regardless how Germany feels about it, Biden said that himself. The US also spied on Merkel in the past btw.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol
                lmao even

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                common response when you no longer have arguments.
                Also NATO has a very good presence in the Baltic and a very good situational awareness, the sea isn't deep there and easily controlled, it clearly has an intelligence advantage on Russia too. Still they failed to intercept/record/prevent that """Russian sabotage""" way off the Russian coast. Very interesting.

                There was no "potential" competition because using the pipeline would have been political suicide both internally and externally. After certification was canceled, the thing might as well have been repurposed to a gigantic bong. No gas was ever going to flow through it, and everybody knew. There's no need in eliminating a competitor that is already eliminated

                >because using the pipeline would have been political suicide both internally and externally.
                that wasn't so sure before this winter. If gas had become so scarce in Germany that we couldn't heat/produce electricity anymore, we might've bit the sour apple and opened NS2. Better to blow it up preemptively.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany already halted the project and the US still blew it up. Fuck you.
                And if Russia won they would quickly restart it. That scenario was thankfully eliminated.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it takes two to operate a bilateral pipeline. Germany already decided not to pursue it further. US blew it up to prevent the unlikely possibility of Germany deciding otherwise in the future. So much for friendly allies who have obligations towards one another.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i know you're probably doing a bit of vranyo or something but we know russia blew it up. if the US had actually blown it up, russia would have been gnashing its teeth and screaming bloody murder. instead they were all smug and had demoralization shill campaigns ready. so we know it was them

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm German, not Russian. If it had been Russia, NATO/US would have evidence, because they would've known in advance and would easily have had the means to record it/catch the saboteurs red-handed. However none of that was the case. Instead, besides this """Russian sabotage""" on NS2, there was also some minor """sabotage""" going on in the German train network, those were clearly Russians too. Totally not a smoke screen to make the bullshit NS2 story more believable to the public. No more """Rusian sabotage""" happened before or after btw.

                >Unlikeley possibility of Germany deciding to use it in future
                They would have 100% done that, Germany is the cheif of back tracking

                we're 100% off Russian gas since months ago, none from NS1 or other pipelines either, but if this makes you feel better about backstabbing your "allies" who you then go on and demand things from, good for you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i never said you were russian

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                then why do you come at me with Russian vocabulary
                anyway it's clear who was behind this bullshit story, and the US has pulled worse shit in the past and I'm tired of educating you gays who are deliberately playing retarded

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it was the US, all russia would have had to do to instantly fracture the west was to provide even a shred of credible evidence that the US did it. But nothing ever came. Same principle as with the supposed ukrainian selling of western military equipment. If russia had any evidence, and they would if it was true, they would be screaming it from every available rooftop. That the US would then sabotage the train network just to "sell the story" is utter delusion. We're uncovering russian moles in our government every few weeks, but apparently russia has no interest in sabotaging the pathway for most western weapons to Ukraine? Don't embarrass yourself man

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russian """intelligence""" was too incapable to correctly assess the rough geostrategic situation in its third world neighboring country, half of which is Russian speaking, before the invasion. You're delusional if you think they could outplay US intel/spec ops, backed by literally everyone else in NATO besides perhaps Germany, which was the other loser in this story besides Russia. Also public opinion was (still is) so hard anti-Russia in the west including Germany, that the story was easily fed to the masses. Add in the bullshit cover up with the other "sabotage acts" that strangely only happened during those days, and it's a well rounded story.

                Completely unthinkable that the US would pull such a stunt, they've never done anything comparable in the past either. Tongkin incident or supposed Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were all legitimate stories too, you know.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >man we really wanna kill reds in nam

                >man we really wanna kill arabs and saddam
                >>"wmds"
                >one of our closest allies has a pipe they are never going to use
                >>bomb our allies and sabotage their trains??
                Nobody sane ever suspected the US. Why the fuck would they then go and sabotage the train network too? Your only argument is that it was a russian pipeline too. NS1 is also a russian pipeline too and they were the ones that killed it with their ""repairs"". The US has literally no tangible benefit in blowing NS2, and especially not in sabotaging our trains. They get nothing, and risk the entire western order doing so. What really happened is the ruskies blew it as a powerplay because they wanted us to sweat about winter. They genuinely expected that we just couldn't find gas anywhere else, and that they could then force us to reopen NS1 after gambiting it away. You think the russians are too retarded to insert a bomb into a pipe or snip a few cables, but apparently the notion that they tried and failed at browbeating us because they're retards doesn't cross your mind?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh Dennis
                take your meds, see [...]

                then why do you come at me with Russian vocabulary
                anyway it's clear who was behind this bullshit story, and the US has pulled worse shit in the past and I'm tired of educating you gays who are deliberately playing retarded

                No one cares Dennis, fuck off

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                kys

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You first, Dennis

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Unlikeley possibility of Germany deciding to use it in future
                They would have 100% done that, Germany is the cheif of back tracking

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hello Dennis

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >muh Dennis
              take your meds, see

              watch the video. I know it doesn't fit in your worldview but it's pretty obvious nonetheless who destroyed NS2.
              [...]
              this Dennis never posted on PrepHole, he's too retarded to know about military or politics
              he was stupid enough to doxx himself on /int/, then some other German gay posted his identity on here and lied about him for some (You)s. And you retards gobble it up like the idiots you are.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm quite happy to be America's bitch; it's either that or be Russia's or China's bitch. I'll take burgers over vatniks and bugs every time.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cant give too much firepower, vatniks might actually leave. Gotta give em enough hope so they keep wasting their male population.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also stocks of legacy equipment. There are a lot of tank hulls to burn through.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did Germany ever object to Turkey using their Leopard tanks in an evil, nasty, no-good war?

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thread successfully derailed with little effort.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      german autists are insufferable, they easily rake in (you)s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      german autists are insufferable, they easily rake in (you)s

      >talk shit like always
      >get proven wrong
      >cry

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Western forces about to unload tanks to UK
    >Rus running out of Ammo
    How many bananas can Putin hold?

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With a T-62 tier gun

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